/christ/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>5189

Is there no decent Catholic Church within a 1 hour radius of where you live?

If you've just no meaningful alternative I'd simply forego services as a regular thing and only visit the least-repugnant one of the list once every 2 or 3 months as a pilgrimage type thing.

>>5189

No hardliner branch of the CoS?

>>5189

Also, what "denomination" are you? It seems odd to me that someone would ever consider such a wide array of churches as having any validity, even just their religious services.

>>5189

>Ｗｈａｔ ｄｏ ｙｏｕ ｄｏ ｗｈｅｎ ａｌｌ ｏｆ ｙｏｕｒ ｌｏｃａｌ ｃｈｕｒｃｈｅｓ ａｒｅ ｓｈｉｔ ｔｉｅｒ？

The first thing is that you have to become clear on what you consider "good".

Describe a good Church to us. I know you have already given negative examples, but what do you expect to be good?

In general a non-apostolic Church is not a Church at all, if you ask me that is.

>>5195

> It seems odd to me that someone would ever consider such a wide array of churches as having any validity, even just their religious services.

I think that for a protestant any Church should be fine really as long as he feels comfortable there. It's not like there was a lot of principles they rely on, and they do not need to wholeheartedly agree with their Church anyway. The ones I've met did not seem very loyal to their Church too.

This is where this modern indifferentism comes from, because they generalisation do not believe that any "Chruch" can hold the truth they just can take any Church.

>>5197

Lol no freaking way dude. I think this guy is probably questioning or non-denom, trying to find himself and stuff. I'm not saying you're lying , but I know you have pretty distinct opinions on protestants. There's no way that a Methodist, for example, would be ok with going to just any other protestant church, so long as they like the pastor and the people and the service. No one is really that shallow, right? Right?!?!?!

>do not believe that any "Chruch" can hold the truth they just can take any Church.

Why do they have so many denominations then? I always understood that they each believed that their interpretations were correct, and that other protestants were either misguided in practice if they agreed on most things, or heretical if they did not.

I don't know these things. I've lived my life around only Catholics, Jews and Mormons. There were protestants in my neighborhood when I was a child but my parents encouraged me to stay away from them because they were loud, obnoxious and they littered all the time.

>>5194

>No hardliner branch of the CoS?

What is the CoS?

>>5204

>There's no way that a Methodist, for example, would be ok with going to just any other protestant church, so long as they like the pastor and the people and the service.

If he is a firm Methodist, you're probably right. But I suspect that most protestants, especially the young, do not really care for denomination and are non-denom in fact.

Baseless claim I know.

>Why do they have so many denominations then?

Because everyone can make his own with which he can 100% agree without changing.

There is not much loyalty, just look at the american split offs of the Anglicans.

I also doubt that many protestant Churches have a theological problem with lots of the other protties.

>>5189

Honestly, I'd say your best bet is probably to leave the city/country, but other commitments probably prevent that I admit.

>>5189

>Plus a tiny Catholic church that's been closed for years and nobody ever attends, and the obligatory hole-in-the-wall JW and LDS "churches", enough about them.

Go to the LDS one.

>>5728

>LDS

He wants a Christian Church

>>5189

>They sure have a lot of activites but they have almost nothing to do with Christianity

Also LDS is an American phenomenon and barely existent outside of the U.S.

>>5189

>Ｗｈａｔ ｄｏ ｙｏｕ ｄｏ ｗｈｅｎ ａｌｌ ｏｆ ｙｏｕｒ ｌｏｃａｌ ｃｈｕｒｃｈｅｓ ａｒｅ ｓｈｉｔ ｔｉｅｒ？

Change location.

>>5731

Hmm… Not to derail but this is incorrect. The bulk of Mormondom is in Latin America, where most members live. Then second to that is North America and then the Pacific Islands. It has very little presence in Europe, with England being the country with the greatest LDS population iirc.

>>5731

It is Christian. Why don't you actually attend a service before you get all snarky "generic christian alternative". Wow that church sounds too edgy for me anyways.

>>5764

hes from /christian/

>Then there's 2 or 3 separate Baptist churches who had about 15 people attending, most of which were elderlies that looked like they had to be carried in on a stretcher, and who started every speech with "We've lost a lot of members lately…"

so?

Do you want a club or something. m8 ive been to churches that literally were just a plam tree with just a couple of chairs and it was one of the est experiences i had.

>>5205

>Baseless claim I know.

And complete fiction. Protestants are typically very open and friendly to all Christians (even disgusting papists like yourself) but, when pushed, will give some clear reasons as to why they are in their particular denomination.

>Because everyone can make his own with which he can 100% agree without changing.

That's been true since the reformation. Since Catholics stopped murdering people, to be more specific, have people have split off. Remember there are a billion protestants. Most of who's ancestors will have split off from the Roman Church at some point.

>There is not much loyalty, just look at the american split offs of the Anglicans.

If you knew the history of the Episcopal Church, you'd never claim this. They have been pretty damn loyal through some trying times.

The Episcopal Church has just lost its way slightly it seems. Going too far for even many Anglicans.

>Also LDS is an American phenomenon and barely existent outside of the U.S.

I think the only European country with a big(ish) LDS precense in the UK. And thats obviously because we are both Anglos.

>>5766

Pride is a sin but these people obsessed with the size of their congregations just don't seem to see they are being prideful of their church.

>>5792

>Protestants are typically very open and friendly to all Christians

>even disgusting papists like yourself

How can one be this delusional?

> Since Catholics stopped murdering people

Cry me a river.

>Remember there are a billion protestants.

Not really, not even if we count Anglicans.

>If you knew the history of the Episcopal Church, you'd never claim this. They have been pretty damn loyal through some trying times.

>they have been loyal until they stopped being loyal

Fair weather friends suck m9.

Anyway, why still think that most protties do not really care for their specific denomination.

Me? I don't go to church. I never feel anything in a church. I stay home and read and pray alone.

This board is my only connection to other Christians, and it generally convinces me that I ought to not mingle too much lest I should lose my faith in Christianity.

>>5835

Christianity isn't very much alive around here. Go to any Cathedral or big church we have here and you'll find tourists. Not a single Christian praying.

That said, going to church or even being with Christians doesn't do it for me. Whatever I need to feel the divine doesn't seem to dwell in those.

>>6156

>>175972 and >>175992 and >>176360 and >>176363

Sorry, I'm a n00b

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Yes, I'm visiting. And? Sue me that I discover and like a board where you haven't been found by /pol/ or /intl/ yet

>>5195

>clearly not a protty

We protestants have a nice little smorgasbord thing going on. All those nasty doctrinal differences are mostly forgotten, except by the likes of William Lane Craig, and you can attend pretty-much any. It helps that most Churches don't stand on their finicky differentiations anymore or that we learn to "let it slide" when you hear something objectionable.

>>5197

>>5204

>No one is really that shallow, right?

>>5205

Do I detect a bunch of judgmentalism creeping into this conversation, finally revealed here it might seem >>5806

Y so much h8, m8?

>Why do they have so many denominations then?

Because history.

Rome and Constantinople, anyone?

Firstly, there were good doctrinal reasons to begin with, mostly forgotten or neglected now, but if you press the issue and try and merge them, there'll still be enough people to remember what those were – refer recent slapping Pope received from the Waldensians.

The second main reason for so many denominations is "renewal". OP's post and this post are helpful >>6156

Human organisations decay. Even Rome had problems – that's why there even IS protestants – and often the hierarchy is so intractable that the only choice remaining is to split. (Dare I suggest it – /christian/ and /christ/?)

Thirdly, sometimes – just sometimes – it comes down to very miserably human failings where one leader disagrees for non-doctrinal reasons with another, and there's a split. Avignon Papacy, for example.

As this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#Protestantism_-_800_million

… also shows, fourthly, there are a lot of denominations that a simply nation-based editions of the same thing: the Episcopalians vs Anglicans, for example. These are often the result of evangelism, where the X church will evangelise from, say, England, but there'll be missionaries from the US at the other end of the country, and the two churches grow-up independent and ignorant of each other until years later and then unite ecumenically but not formally.

Now, it is true that over the past forty years or so, a lot of "independent" churches have emerged, but there is a myth going around Catholic circles that there are 20, 30 or even 70,000 protestant denominations, which is just contemptibly laughable.

Bottom of: http://www.justforcatholics.org/a86.htm

>>Remember there are a billion protestants.

>Not really, not even if we count Anglicans.

So he rounded-up, boo-hoo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

>>6158

>Why do they have so many denominations then?

I dislike this question, because it makes it seem like protestant were the only one that have separated from the catholic church.

OP here. Update, there's something new (actually not that new, but i only recently found out about it because they don't do any public advertising for some reason) called "Life Center", seems very Hillsong-like, apparently it's an international organisation, has anyone heard of it?

By the way, the house church group i mentioned isn't active anymore and there doesn't seem to be any others, at least not that i know of.

>>6156

>>6156

>hard-nosed KJV-is-the-only-real-Bible conservatives (there's one in the whole city of millions), stuck-in-the-1960s conservativism which would be good except

Where are these churches and what are their names?