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I see race as a larger family, just like I do nations. You can be caring of your own race without hating others'. In fact, caring for your own helps you understand others who care for their own. With this in mind, I don't think it's incompatible.

The rest is more politics than religion.

Thank you. But If I'm understanding correctly, you don't believe that the answer to our current situation can be found in the gospel, or other spiritual sources?

>>5279

Yes, but not in such a direct manner. It's not a spiritual problem, multicult, it's purely political and economical. It's done to lower salaries and ensure that unemployment exists, which is the most important thing to big companies, that's how they keep the upper hand. As long as you risk unemployment, you're content to just have a job. Without unemployment (brought on by immigration and women at work), big companies wouldn't have so much power. They'd have to beg for employees and everyone would get paid way more in the US, which would also be an economic boost, since people could and would buy more stuff.

Unrelated question: what do you make, as a Mormon, about the "fewness of the saved"?

These days, I'm having a mental breakdown over the idea that most humans will spend eternity in Hell. I'm that close to getting interned at a mental hospital, literally. I haven't shaved or bathed in weeks and I mostly stopped eating. The Mormon faith is the only one that has some hope in it, from my understanding. You get second best if you're a good person, even if you're not LDS.

But yeah, the fewness of the saved as written in the Bible, is making me worried to death. It0s killing my life for the moment.

>>5281

>This I understand is an issue in the western world, but I'm also referiing to the issue of, for example, hispanic and blacks in America being unable to achieve much as a race while Southeast Asians or Chinese (non-whites, also with a history of being "discriminated against") can manage to succeed, given the exact same resources and opportunites. It tells me that there is something intrinsic or developed about that race's culture (or otherwise) that prevent's it from achieving significantly.

Short of a "White Men's Burden" angle, I'm not sure, but good luck to ever have that angle on racial issues…

>To put it simply, you have to be pretty darn bad and essentially deny Christ, whether to His face or not is controversial, to end up in a permanent Hell.

Yes, even Scripture suggests that, but some will say that "denying Christ" can mean something like "not going to a Catholic mass", and that's where I get freaked out. I don't want to deny Christ, and I don't, but all these other things that I don't do, understand, or even know about, it can't mean I deny Christ against my will, right?

The LDS angle reassures me somewhat, although I would be sad not to get to the best possible Heaven. If I joined Mormons, and Catholics were right, I'd be doomed to Hell forever, and theirs is atrocious:

>all 5 senses of your body will be tortured, simultaneously, forever

>your soul will also be tortured forever

I imagine being stuffed in some torture machine that will burn my skin, plant needles all over my body, have red-hot spikes penetrating my eyeballs endlessly, being choked for minutes at a time by some boiling vinegar. And this lasts forever. A century, ten centuries, ten million centuries, and ten million billion centuries, and at that point, it's not even begun.

Even being a nice Ritz hotel room for so long would scare me to death. I can't handle it. I can't. I'm going to literally have a nervous breakdown and get institutionalised, and they'll all just laugh at my reason.

Sorry to derail the thread.

>>5283

http://8ch.net/christ/res/5284.html

made a thread so yours wouldn't get derailed any longer

>>5292

I don't know about this. This seems more like a one time thing with this lady, and you'd have to take into consideration that this is before the Atonement, so its ok for him focus to be solely on the Hebrews.

Remember 2 Nephi 26:33

> 33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

I'm trying to look at it more from the perspective of righteous people vs. unrighteous. The Lamanites weren't evil because they were dark, they were evil because they hated Christ, Nephites and were violent savages. Likewise, some of the children of men have these proclivities more pronounced in them than others, and as of yet the only Doctrinal explanation for it I can find is how they view The Family.

>>5295

We are also to be separated into tribes. Joseph Smith himself said he would confine the negro by strict law to his own species. He was a segregationist.

Also, aren't all the tribes supposed to gather in the promised land? We should separate the tribes into ethnostates. Then they can all gather at the temple or whatever and we can all be separated by race at the same time. Everyone wins.

>>5300

>We are also to be separated into tribes.

I'd have to see some Scripture backing that up.

> Joseph Smith himself said he would confine the negro by strict law to his own species. He was a segregationist.

He was, though his opinion fluctuated throught his life. Therein lies the issue though, its his *opinion*, not doctrine. Its a good quote though, History of the Church, iirc. While you could justify these beliefs personally, you'd be hard pressed to justify them as a doctrinal obligation; this quote would get immediately filled in the "speaking as a man" drawer, due to the context, being spoken away from the pulpit and the doctrinal stance of blacks changing after '78.

> We should separate the tribes into ethnostates.

Which is a nice opinion and way to deal with the current situation. I'm saying though, could one find some doctrinal backing for said opinions, and could one find a doctrinal explanation for why race is the way it is?

Now, to you I can say this. I think if anyone has nailed it so far it would be Bruce R. McConkie, though he went quiet on the subject after '78 and died shortly thereafter

>>5277

>"multiculturalism" compatible?

The tower of Babel

>How should one view the obvious disparity of ability and achievement between the races in a purely Christ-centered way? Purely doctrinal.

>>5278

This

>>5280

> it's purely political and economical.

Christianity affects all matters of life and everything we do is meant to glorify the lord in fact.

Secularism is poison.

>>5348

>Christianity affects all matters of life and everything we do is meant to glorify the lord in fact.

>Secularism is poison.

That's not secularism. Any Christian can be on any political side. Politics is about how you want to do good, and not everyone agrees on the how, but most agree on the goal. The goal is virtually always the same thing for all. Short o theocratic monarchy, the goal barely varies at all.

You can't do politics assuming everyone is already Christian, or Catholic. It wouldn't work.

>muh deus vult

>muh we don't need anyone's agreement

>muh inquisition if they don't like it

>muh rape and torture are valid arguments because God wills it

Weird ass ways of glorifying the Lord, bro.

>>5348

>The tower of Babel

I've often heard this used as an argument against multiculturalism, usualy on /pol/ or with my own white nationalist acquaintances. The thing is the story, to me seems to have more to do with hubris than it does with "multiculturalism". Although, the fact that God's punishment for hubris *is* multiculturalism is interesting.

>>5351

> Any Christian can be on any political side.

I think this would be hard to support doctrinally. There are clearly some political ideologies and political models that are wholly or partially opposed to the core principles that any follower of Christ must simply place above all else. The idea that any political choice is equally valid comes from the evil and wicked atmosphere that secular democracies create.

That isn't to say only *one* political philosophy could be correct, but that the neck is much narrower than we'd like to think. Marxism, for example, falls outside of it; or at least you'd have to abandon enough core tenets of it to the point where other Marxists would dismiss you as something altogether else.

>>5351

>That's not secularism. Any Christian can be on any political side.

No. You can't be a Christian and a communist for example. As soon as ideologies interfere with the Church they are incompatible with Christianity.

Excessive nationalism or progressism would be another example.

>. Politics is about how you want to do good

I actually keked irl

>but most agree on the goal. The goal is virtually always the same thing for all.

Not at all. There are debates going on on this since the dawn of states.

Atm the anglosaxon simpletons with their Utalitarianism are very dominant but this does not bear any quality in us determining if they are right or not.

What is the purpose of a state?

>You can't do politics assuming everyone is already Christian, or Catholic. It wouldn't work.

I never said that but:

This depends on the details and the situation.

>Weird ass ways of glorifying the Lord, bro.

I did not say any of this but:

We don't need anyone's agreement, no one ever asked me if I wanna pay taxes.

The Holy Inquisition is a good thing.

Rape and torture? Please point me exactly to where I suggested this?

>>5353

>Although, the fact that God's punishment for hubris *is* multiculturalism is interesting.

He seperated them, this is the exact opposite of multiculturalism which wants them all together. I'd rather say it was a cure that people want to abolish now because they do not fear God anymore.

>The idea that any political choice is equally valid comes from the evil and wicked atmosphere that secular democracies create.

I'm so proud TOM :^)

could you say that the U.S. is a plot of the devil too ?

>>5386

>The US isn't God's favorite country

Then why did he place the garden of eden in Missouri?

Checkmate Mormons.

as Jesus treated them.

>>5412

Jesus didn't interact much with non-hebrews. Look at the example >>5292 gave though.

Could you elaborate?

>>5413

I would use the good samaritan history. in which samaritans were considered inferiors but Jesus shows that he was a good person

>>5418

>I would use the good samaritan history. in which samaritans were considered inferiors but Jesus shows that he was a good person

Jesus was very resistant to help gentiles at first. Like to really do anything for them.