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>>5571

What's that?

Explain a bit.

>>5572

Not OP obviously, but they're slavs by the looks of them that's for sure. I mean, the phenotype, the looks (stern yet loving like that of a grandmother who beats you black then feeds you potato stew) and dress of the women, and of course the squatting.

Names aren't turning up anything interesting.

>>5577

>and of course the squatting.

It is not a common stereotype here btw

Since we have actually contact to slavs while the US are probably just fed with anti-russian propaganda - take it for what it is

>>5592

>anti-russian propaganda

Well, first off, the whole squatting thing is a meme. Also anyone who still believes the MSM in any country is not doing 8chan right. Also I don't see how making russians or slavs appear as a people who like to squat could fall into the category of "anti-russian" propaganda. I mean, its not an inherently sinful thing to squat, far as I know.

That said, I grew up in New Jersey and would often visit NYC. There's a lot of "ethnic neighborhoods" there, such as Brighton Beach which is full to be brim with Slavs; I mean the whole place is plastered with Cyrillic letters.

I did see some slavs squatting, drinking publicly and smoking cigarettes there.

>>5594

I'm not even saying it is wrong, I'm saying it is an anglo or maybe just US ? thing and that we, who have lived with them for more than a thousand years now have never made it a stereotype.

It is just intriguing.

>>5594

>"ethnic neighborhoods"

What do you think about them?

Should people that come to the US concentrate and keep their culture?

>>5600

A complex question. What's best for America is that people integrate and drop everything but the superficial aspects of their culture, thinking of themselves as American first and anything else second. Embracing American customs, history and values as their own, even in the first generation.

Now, what's best for the people is more of a case by case basis. If you already have a good culture, then I see no reason for you to want to leave it behind. It will by its very nature begin to differ from the original with time, as your children will not be really a part of it no matter how hard you try. This is better for the individual but not for the country. Which is to say, Gypsies and Blacks should abandon their wretched culture but its fine for Germanic or Orientals to keep theirs.

The problem is that in past decades, Jews and liberals have corrupted America so badly that even people who've been here since the Mayflower couldn't tell you what it *means* to be an America. What the values are, what the culture is, what the correct beliefs are. Its a country that defines itself by its disparity and balkanization; leaving the immigrant no choice but to cling to his culture, which is bad because we mostly get immigrants with cancerous, toxic cultures.

Slavs are fine by me honestly. Most of them have integrated and intermarried by now, but there are still those ethnic enclaves around. I personally would not like to live near them as I think can can be a little loud and dirty sometimes, and there's the criminal element, but I have in the past and would again frequent their neighborhoods and buy their food because its pretty good.

>>5602

>A complex question. What's best for America is that people integrate and drop everything but the superficial aspects of their culture, thinking of themselves as American first and anything else second. Embracing American customs, history and values as their own, even in the first generation.

But why should anyone care what is best for America?

>Now, what's best for the people is more of a case by case basis. If you already have a good culture, then I see no reason for you to want to leave it behind. It will by its very nature begin to differ from the original with time, as your children will not be really a part of it no matter how hard you try. This is better for the individual but not for the country. Which is to say, Gypsies and Blacks should abandon their wretched culture but its fine for Germanic or Orientals to keep theirs.

What big sub groups of cultures are there in the US? I know of the Amish that kept their palatin language and culture and religion, that's it.

Any big ones I need to know about?

Are there any French in Louisiana left?

>Slavs are fine by me honestly. Most of them have integrated and intermarried by now, but there are still those ethnic enclaves around. I personally would not like to live near them as I think can can be a little loud and dirty sometimes, and there's the criminal element, but I have in the past and would again frequent their neighborhoods and buy their food because its pretty good.

I'm not sure tbh. I am reevaluating my attitude towards slavs for reasons though.

Maybe I have been in the wrong and they are just fine.

>>5605

>But why should anyone care what is best for America?

Because, if you work it a certain way, what's best for America can be what's best for all of us. Its a chance to put aside the old ways and come up with a monolithic conformist culture that exemplifies the best humanity has to offer. Like a Rome type deal, but much better; since they just forced Roman culture on everyone.

Actually, it wouldn't be that different, since the foundation of the moral American code would be Anglo-Saxon culture, except made available for everyone.

>What big sub groups of cultures are there in the US?

Too many. You've got the Amish and Mennonites, they're very similar. The Indians live in reservations like animals, and try to salvage what's left of their savage culture. LDS people in Utah have a pretty distinct culture.

There's Chicanos and other Latin Americans trying really hard to not assimilate. People up in Minnesota and North Dakota are very Scandinavian, maybe not in language but definitely in their culture. There's a fair amount of White Supremacists who live in Compounds scattered throughout the South, the Midwest and especially northern Idaho and Montana.

Orthodox Jews merit a mention too, I suppose. Dearborn, Michigan is like 75% Muslim and Arab.

The French in Louisianan are a distinct ethnic group called Cajouns; they were weirdoes even before they left France and have only split further from that since they came here. They are basically rednecks that speak patois and eat a lot of reptiles.

>I'm not sure tbh. I am reevaluating my attitude towards slavs for reasons though.

Considering where you live, you probably just have to deal a lot more with the nigger-tier slavic races.

>>5612

>Because, if you work it a certain way, what's best for America can be what's best for all of us. Its a chance to put aside the old ways and come up with a monolithic conformist culture that exemplifies the best humanity has to offer.

That's marxism m8.

Why should not every people keep its own culture?

>Too many.

I should have expected that, sorry.

>Considering where you live, you probably just have to deal a lot more with the nigger-tier slavic races.

I'd put them on the top of any slav ranking though, they are catholic except the dastardly czechs and in general the further you go east the worse it becomes.

>>5614

>That's marxism m8.

>Why should not every people keep its own culture?

Well, because some cultures are inherently inferior and need to be destroyed. Which is to say, the people need to be saved from them. I think about the way the church runs things, and how there is indeed a "Mormon culture" that separates the Saint from the gentile everywhere in the world.

People still have their culture, of course, but the Gospel promotes certain values that are really importance like self-sufficiency, preparedness, hard work, abstinence from needless pleasure or immoral things, etc. It makes it so that I can have more in common with some dude in Denmark or South Africa than with another America, because are values are so similar and that's the most important thing.

I think if you could transplant this concept to a secular ideology and political platform, you could do wonders for this wretched world. Sure, it wont be as effective as an actual faith, but it will certainly be better than being this mosaic of disparate cultures with no kinship and no regard for each other.

Someone's going to hold the reins of America, and right now its the corporations and the Jews. If the people don't band together and realize that we *all* decided to abandon our cultures when we left our respective countries and came to America, whether we knew it or not, then nothing will change and we'll continue to be rules over by people who legitimately do not give a heck about us.

I'm not a gommie btw.

>I'd put them on the top of any slav ranking though, they are catholic except the dastardly czechs and in general the further you go east the worse it becomes.

What do you get then, polacks mostly? Romanians? I thought the Orthobros were your bros, though.

>>5614

do you think indians and i mean those no electricity thong wearing indians should be left alone with no help whatsoever from the rest of the world?

>>5617

> I thought the Orthobros were your bros, though.

Compared to protestants and heathens, yes.

Schism is still not ok. It is not "fine" to be a Orthodox, you should still convert to eastern Catholicism if you are one.

If you don't you are still in partial communion with the Church though and therefore not excluded from salvation.

If I had to rank them I'd go:

1. Croats

2. Slovenians

3. Polacks

4.Srbs

5.Other Balkans + Eastern Slavs

….

….

….

Lastly Czechs

>>5620

>do you think indians and i mean those no electricity thong wearing indians should be left alone with no help whatsoever from the rest of the world?

No, they need to be converted and have missions of course.

But this does not mean that they have to abandon their culture. Certain satanic practices have to go of course, like cannibalism, human sacrifice, women wearing trousers, just the most abominable stuff ;^)

If they want to keep their other customs and traditions no one should force them to change unless they are doing severe harm by it. By this I mean something serious, not just them existing in space that could have been used otherwise by us, something like doing irrepairable damage to the environment or people.

But if this is not the case and they want to live in isolationism I see no reasoning to force them to do differently.

Even if they were to refuse missionaries freely, I do not think we should force them to accept any.

>no electricity thong wearing indians should be left alone with no help whatsoever from the rest of the world?

They can wear thongs all day if they want to and if they refuse help, why would we force them to accept it?

All of this is assuming that we are talking about defensive people, if they are expansive or attacking us like it happened in the Americas often or with the Slavs and Balts different measures are appropriate of course.

>>5624

>Lastly Czechs

Czechs…why them? I think the one thing I know about them is that they either are or see themselves as "more germanic" than other slavs and were pretty pro-Hitler back in the day.

What's your beef with them?

>If you don't you are still in partial communion with the Church though and therefore not excluded from salvation.

I'm still having a hard time understanding what the consequences of being Orthodox are. I mean, does it affect how much God will bless you in your Earthly life, because from what you're saying it won't keep them from going to heaven and they still have apostolic succession.

>>5629

>When I say "needless pleasure", I'm referring to staying home all day playing video games, putting off work to hang out with friends or drinking alcohol. Pleasure isn't inherently bad, but needless and sinful pleasure is, well, bad.

But this seems like some things people should occupy themselve with on sundays instead of working.

beside mass/prayer of course

>Nowadays they're more like Jewish values, amirite?

I dislike them. Not only nowadays, I dislike this vile seed that was planted in the "enlightenment"

>I don't know man. I've been to /leftypol/ and nobody liked my ideas, called the things I like "spooks". Basically, since I don't have as my main goal to give the proletariat ownership over the means of production, dismatle the capitalist and class-based establishment and issue in a classless state with an automated workforce and an abundance of resources, I'm not a commie, to them at least.

Yes, it is not like the actual marxism of course.

But I think it follows the same principles and ideas. It's just the phrases that are changed.

>Basically, if you think class is the root of all evil, you're a gommie. If you think race and (bad) cultures are the root of all our problems, there's a different word for that. Pic related.

Indeed. National Socialism is socialism too.

And I do not think that I need to describe my attitude towards Socialism ;^)

>>5629

>Was this Austria?

I was referring to it here, yes. But it would be true for a multitude of pre FrR states, like Poland-Lithuania, Russia, Spain, France etcetc

>>5628

>Czechs…why them? I think the one thing I know about them is that they either are or see themselves as "more germanic" than other slavs and were pretty pro-Hitler back in the day.

Indeed, especially the latter one does not strengthen their cause though.

They are also the least successful part of the realm in regard of the counter reformation, homeland of the Hussite heresy and have been a base for protestantism/reformed sects and rebellion in general ever since the 30 years war.

Today they are the most atheistic country in Europe beside Sweden.

Their more recent crimes would include also the genocide on the germans after 45, several millions back then, the embracement of communism/socialism, theft and robbery, disregard of justice in favour of their selfish interest ie they robbed the Prince of Liechtenstein all of his lands after the fall of the monarchy although he was not associated with the KuK state, this is plain robbery and their disrespectful treatment of the vonHabsburgs after 1918.

They are infamous for being thiefs and criminals and everyone in the borderlands knows that, they flood our country with alcohol and whores, they keep pressing into our employment system as unqualified workers which leads unqualified people into poverty.

a shift worker/ waiter/ whatever here earns not enough to feed his family, in the Czech republic you are well off with it though, even academics earn less there

I think they deserve my prestressed attitude sufficiently.

>Speaking of them, do you know anything about their government? That Leader of them, Viktor Orban I think, sounds pretty cool.

Yes, he is one of the few politicians I actually like.

>I'm still having a hard time understanding what the consequences of being Orthodox are.

As schismatic you partly reject the Church and the truth that is Jesus Christ. Only God knows the consequences of this.

> I mean, does it affect how much God will bless you in your Earthly life

I do not think that good people necessarily are blessed in the earthly life.

>>5634

>But this seems like some things people should occupy themselve with on sundays instead of working.

Well, the thing is the Sabbath is a day of rest but its also God's day, so spending it doing things that aren't directly Gospel-related is not correct. Scripture study, spending quality time with family and friends (doing healthy activities, not drinking or telling raunchy jokes), watching General Conference talks or simply relaxing in a way that is appropriate. Obviously you shun work, and anything that might make someone else work; there's no Shabbos goyim in Mormonism, so you can't find some loophole and eat at McDonalds just because the workers are gentiles.

>I dislike them. Not only nowadays, I dislike this vile seed that was planted in the "enlightenment"

Ditto.

>Yes, it is not like the actual marxism of course.

But I think it follows the same principles and ideas. It's just the phrases that are changed.

There's a reason for that. Marxism is the Satanic counterpart to what an ideal, Christ-centered form of government would be; a theocracy of sorts. Marxism take good Gospel principles and makes them work towards an unholy end. Mind you, what I'm suggesting isn't that because it would require the Prophet to be the Civil as well as the religious leader of the State. This would be technically a secular idea because I'm assuming it would happen in America and has to essentially appeal and encompass a grand degree of people from different ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds, not just Mormons.

>>5635

>Czechs

Ok, yeah that makes a lot of sense. I was not aware of these historical occurrences, and since I don't interact with Czechs on a regular basis, I tend to not thing about them at all. Like Abbos.

>Orthodox

Ok, so there may or may not be consequences for being a schismatic in the specific way that the Orthodox church is, but you've reason to believe there will be some. How does this differ from protestants, who also reject your church but not the Bible?

>>5637

>so spending it doing things that aren't directly Gospel-related is not correct.

Is it not?

>Ok, so there may or may not be consequences for being a schismatic in the specific way that the Orthodox church is, but you've reason to believe there will be some.

I guess I could put it like that.

>How does this differ from protestants, who also reject your church but not the Bible?

Protestants are not schismatic they are heretic.

The orthodox are a Church, part of our Church specifically.

The protties however are no Church, they have no Apostolic Succession, no Holy Spirit involved. They baptise with water not with fire.

Essentially by embracing protestantism you openly reject the Church and therefore Jesus Christ in your earthly life.

Now people will jump at me and say that this does not mean that protties can't be saved.

Which is true.

But in order for this to work they would have to bow down and accept Catholicism post mortem. I do not know if this is likely to affect many protestants that opposed our very Church so harshly in their lifetime.

In general it is safer to assume that we make our decision in this life, and not to rely on the possible chance that we can outdo this later on, which might be the case or not.