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>>5698

But what if the church of Scientology were considered a terrorist sect? It doesn't play fair, and has been known to kidnap witnesses, false flag bomb threats on its critics, and attack innocent people with lawsuits, especially to defend itself from criticism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

>>5699

Yeah man, if they can substantiate those claims, then its proper that they can just label them Terrorists and unwelcome in Germany and call it a day.

>>5697

>Here's a question: would the German government be right to to not give it tax benefits, and to discriminate against it? Assuming Germany is right about it being an abusive cult?

Yes. Germany has to give this privileges to the Catholic Church because of the Wiener Kongreß rulings in 1815 and the treaties with the Vatican that succeeded it.

Same with the Evangelische Kirche and different smaller Churches of that time, essentially.

To additionally give these rights to other communities, like jews, muslims or scientology is a decision based on Germany's good will and no obligation.

>Wiki says the discrimination is more than just tax breaks. Germany also spent public funds to send undercover investigators inside scientology for years, in the manner that you would penetrate a criminal syndicate. But Scientology is known for trying to infiltrate authorities themselves.

Germany is Orwellian. It is a nightmare, no joke.

>>5698

>I would argue that if Germany wants to continue to consider itself a secular democracy,

Germany is no laicistic republic like France for instance.

There is an alliance between the Church and the state same in Austria

There are religious references for different political functions and i the Grundgesetz ie.

In Bavaria the local laws are even better, but that's a different topic and only theoritical, it is mostly dead law nowadays

>>5699

What does terrorism even mean?

Germany does support terrorists in the middle east right now ie. Sorry, I meant freedom fighters.

It is intriguing why for example Kosovo is no terrorist state while Afghanistan is. It is completely arbitrary.

>>5714

>Oh, its organized alright. Pic related.

I think that the jews are just one of many tools, but they themselve do not realise this of course.

why shouldn't I use it? Am I no Christian?

>>5697

>Wie der Staat die Kirchen finanziert

Man wartet indes noch auf "Wie der Staat die Kirchen beraubte" und "Wie der Staat die Kirchen unterdrückte und verfolgte" oder "Wie der Staat die Kirchen ausnutzt".

Aber der geltende Narratic ließe solche Bücher nicht zu. Zweifelsohne würden die deutschen ("Qualitäts")medien umgehend "unabhängige" Gegendarstellungen veröffentlichen, und dann käme irgendwas von Kreuzzügen und aä…h Scheiterhaufen. Elendige Rumjuderei.

>>5715

Hey man, do what you like. I just always assumed these Generic flags were for the non-denoms or something, and you've got the whole Torquemada thing going on.

>>5717

> I just always assumed these Generic flags were for the non-denoms or something

Oh, non-denoms may use them and anyone who identifies as a Christian.

>Torquemada

What's that?

>>5718

Torquemada was the first Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition iirc, and a proper hero if my history teachers in the Dominican Republic are any credible source. Fighting heresy, arresting Mohamedans and helping expel the Jews out of Spain, the works. Don't know how Catholics today feel about him in the Anglosphere though.

>>5719

He sounds decent, I might read into him a bit

>>5698

> Its not like anyone is force to join that nonsense,

Children. Virtually all the pillars of Scientology had parents who were in the cult and were forced into it.

Scientology can be proven to be bullshit made up by a mad psychopath. Just study it. I've done my homework on the matter, down to watching court records.

It's very obviously a scam and has no inner coherence. It's falling apart these days, with less than 20'000 members and with "Protestant" Scientologists who now lead their own communities. Whatever works within Scientology is stuff taken from normal disciplines, such as speech therapy, in which you talk about your problems. The veneer of specialness that Scientology tacks onto it generally doesn't do anything beyond making it look unique.

Scientology is a dead star. It died with the Internet and with its pillars spilling the beans on Miscavidge and how the whole thing works. Nobody's joining anymore.

I give them 10 to 20 years before they close up shop for good.

Scientology is not a religion. It does not deal with God or spirituality. It presents itself as a science with secrets, for which you have to pay. Even so, it still doesn't deal with anything spiritual. It can't even say whether it believes we are Thetans reincarnated into human bodies or whether Thetans are evil pollution of us as humans.

Besides, most of Hubbard's ideas on this are taken straight from sci-fi books and are directly traceable, sometimes word for word, to sci-fi novels Hubbard had read. He's a textbook psychopath.

>>5829

All religions are declining in the first world, not just scientology. But I think some people can be persuaded to join any cult, even with the information on the internet. Scientology in the seventies once had 200 million dollars and the power it has built is not going away any faster than the Mormon or Catholic churches due to waning attendance.

>>5829

That's a good point actually, only now am I remembering the accounts I've read of children who grew up in the cult, and how poorly they were neglected both by their families and the church itself.

I agree with you that's its a sham, but we live in such a broken world that keeps getting more and more broken, so things like Scientology are more likely to get stronger and stronger. There's a God-shaped hole in the hearts of most Americans; most people alive even; and they'll be eager to fill it with anything that gives them a place in this world and a sense of… mattering.

Even if its a sci-fi based pseudo science repackaged as dime-store gnosticism.