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 No.5919

We've been going back on forth about dreams on the demon thread, because I mentioned doing lucid dreaming. Let's start a thread where we talk about dreams.

https://8ch.net/christ/res/4470.html#q5647

To start off, does anyone here regularly have religious dreams? Messages in the bible have sprung from interpretations of dreams.

Our assumptions also affect our dreams - I used to frequently have Christian themed nightmares of armageddon and hell, or of monsters while I was younger. Dreams are rich in symbols and emotions, and I used to keep a dream journal and spend time trying to figure out 1) whether God was giving me a message or an omen - a future dream. 2) whether my subconscious was trying to tell me something. As an adolescent I have had dreams woke up from the stress of feeling tested by an external entity, and I have also woken up because I laughed too much in a dream. (A relative had made string puppets out of macaroni and was making them dance on a counter top.)

When I grew older the childhood monsters mostly went away as the dreams became more grounded, and since I'm an Atheist, I'd be lucky to remember having a dream with Christian imagery in a year. Most of my dreams today instead are harmless, and involve returning to places I've been. Sometimes they're even populated with characters from a framework I use for story writing, i.e. my "inner universe." The very best dreams are when I am one of the characters from one of my stories, because I can act and live out my favorite story, and feel refreshed and inspired to write about new ideas when I wake up.

Pic is from yume nikki, a story about a girl who explores her messed up dreams.

 No.5929

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>>5919

>tfw no dreams.

Is there anything you can do to increase your dream-flow? I usually only have messed up sexual dreams every blue moon, usually if I've done something really bad or gone to a part of this chan I ought to have avoided.


 No.5943

>>5929

Some observations that work for me:

-Get plenty of restful sleep (dreams happen in the REM state of slumber)

-Drift back to sleep for a couple hours if you wake up

-Sleep in the darkness instead of at noon / under a bright light. (Inhibits sleep.)

-Likewise, if you sleep when you're dead tired / mentally exhausted, it's harder to remember your dreams

- Music playing through an alarm clock can make a dream easier to remember (if it doesn't wake you up)

-I've noticed consuming fiction (a movie or a book) or daydreaming for a while before bed makes it more likely to have an interesting dream. It gets the creative juices flowing.

Everyone dreams, but if your dreams are boring you're unlikely to be shocked enough to remember them for long.


 No.5950

>>5919

I keep having dreams in which I am in war, or people I know die or we are running from things.


 No.5972

>>5919

>To start off, does anyone here regularly have religious dreams?

Not me.

Why are people dreaming at all? Afaik there is no materialistic explanation for that, at least none that satisfies me.


 No.5976

>>5972

It's an unknown. REM sleep is interesting because it's not even a state of resting. Your brain is too active to actually recuperate. All mammals enter into it though so it could just be a random quirk of our evolution. Any answer of course is just speculation until it's better understood.


 No.5980

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>>5972

According to wiki stage 3 (non-REM) sleep is used to reinforce your long term memories and allow your brain to rest, and your body to heal. It's also when people sleep walk, especially children who then grow out of it. Stage 4 REM dream sleep is still a mystery.

Since the cycles alternate in 90 minute cycles, I wonder how possible it is to go from REM 4 to non-REM 3 to REM again, and still remember the chain of dreams from the first REM. How would the dream explain the end of the first chain of dreams, and the interval, and what sort of transition would there be between them, of any? My later dreams tend to build off themes, or recycle characters from earlier dreams, in a recursive way.

Would it be possible to remember part of the 90 minutes of not being able to move or do anything?

It's interesting that tribes in the jungle often have segmented sleep, wake up and talk in the middle of the night, and take more naps rather than putting it all together and sleeping all the way through the night as most industrialized societies do. It could be a survival mechanism to protect against predators.


 No.5984

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>>5976

>>5980

It's an interesting topic and never talked about publicly.

It just does not fit the modern god complex that there are things for that the modern man has not one of his fancy "explanations".

I've always been very much into Psychoanalysis and Freud that's why I hate modern psychology so much , he concerned himself quite a lot with the topic.

You should read "Die Traumdeutung", it is interesting and surely full of errancies, beware, but it contains very intriguing toughts.

Interestingly enough there was no seat for psychoanalysis in Austria itself until the late 20th century, due to Church opposition.

The Church always hated psychoanalysis, but I do not fully understand why. Anyone an idea on that?


 No.5989

>>5984

>It just does not fit the modern god complex that there are things for that the modern man has not one of his fancy "explanations".

What god complex? Any scientific approach starts with admitting you don't know.

>The Church always hated psychoanalysis, but I do not fully understand why. Anyone an idea on that?

I suspect, that like many other conservative groups. They opposed it because it was new and different. It really might be that simple. Not too long ago in America for example "mental hygiene" was considered a symptom of cultural decline. Mental health has always been taboo.

I don't mean to insult the church but they have a pattern of this.

Why do you hate modern Psychology and like Psychoanalysis though? Psychoanalysis is even shakier as a science than modern psychology. It's never been proven to be all that effective at treating mental illness whereas things like CBT have.


 No.6003

>>5989

>What god complex?

The modern God complex of humanity that has started with the so-called enlightenment. The general belief that humanity is all-powerful and has the "right" silly concept btw to do anything it can do without any responsibility.

> Any scientific approach starts with admitting you don't know.

In theory maybe. In the real world the majority of scientists are arrogant pricks that would rather kill an innocent than admitt to have been wrong.

>I suspect, that like many other conservative groups. They opposed it because it was new and different. It really might be that simple. Not too long ago in America for example "mental hygiene" was considered a symptom of cultural decline. Mental health has always been taboo.

>I don't mean to insult the church but they have a pattern of this.

The problem is that this is not really the case. Most sciences were and are advanced by outspoken Christians. Even things like the big bang theory or the basics of genetics, which are perceived as somehow anti-christian in America, were made by Church members.Let's not get started on the further past where science was generally dominated by the Church.

Psychoanalysis is somehow special in this. I know of no other new science that was opposed so much here, not even gender stuff which is also opposed for obvious reasons, but less

I will see into this and if I find a somehow satisfying answer, then I'll share.

>Why do you hate modern Psychology and like Psychoanalysis though?

Modern Psychology is no science at all. It is more of a political ideology. Just take a look at any psychology class at any western university and you will realise.

They already know their results before they make tests, they only want to satisfy the already dominant opinion. They are just another one of these "whacky social sciences" and for me on equal footing with gender studies.

Also every single psychologist that I've met so far, and I've met a few, was screwed in his autistic head and no good for society.

Psychoanalysis on the other hand has its problems, the biggest problem being the person and Charachter of Freud himself probably, but I can still regard it as a science, or rather a strange mix between science and philosophy.

>Psychoanalysis is even shakier as a science than modern psychology. It's never been proven to be all that effective at treating mental illness whereas things like CBT have.

Let's not get into details here, but I'd consider any psychological "Proof" as meaningless in this regard.

It becomes very obvious how arbitrary all of this is if we see how different psychology is in the anglosphere compared to the civilised world.

Stuff like CBT were and are perceived completely differently here in Europe than in America, as was Behaviorism which barely existed here

I know that many of the things they do have effects, and I know that they themselve do not know why, they're just guessing.

Even in psychiatrics it is mainly trial and error, modern medicine has like no idea at all what the drugs that they administer to your brain do in detail. They just try if it helps a certain amount of people, and if it does they do it until they have something better or change their opinion.

It's not like I would believe in psychoanalysis, I know that it is wrong in many ways, but at least I can respect it.


 No.8517

yes

>be me

>be dreaming

>in a field

>sitting with a lion

>other people were sitting with lions too

>a big man was singing

>"life in God is heaven on earth"

>everyone sings together


 No.8530

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>>8517

nice.


 No.8898

>>5919

>>5980

Its weird I just moved here from /christian/ today, but I had a dream last night about a girl like the one in your pics.

I was watching her play outside with my niece, and some other children when she just stopped right in front of me. After she gave me a long uncomfortable stare she said "While you're still attached, you will never see." then she ran off, and I woke up feeling sick to my stomach.

I hope it was just a strange dream due to some bad pizza, but if not I may need my house exorcised.




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