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>>598

> I was wondering if anyone on this board is interested in learning it with me.

What exactly do you have in mind? I mean when you say "learning Latin" what is your goal?

I certainly could help you with the easy stuff if there is interest. But learning vocabulary etc is something where nobody can help.

Hic est /christian/. /christian/ locus est ubi amici religionis Christianismus conveniunt. hodie ei lingua diversa coloquuunt.

If you want to be able to translate easy stuff like this then np.

If you wanna learn Latin for some special reason then that's fine too we could i.e. go through a TLM or something later.

It is just important to know what you want.

>>599

>/christian/

should have been /christ/ of course :^)

>>599

I want to try and learn it so I can try singing Georgian chants but I do want to be fluent with the language eventually

>>601

> but I do want to be fluent with the language eventually

"fluent" . there is about 3000 years of latin history . you will never be able to learn all of it

the classical Latin of Caesar was different to the Latin of the church in the renaissance i.e.

Also in pronounciation

We can certainly try I am anyway interested in refreshing my latin and maybe there will be one or two other anons that join us

let's see what Oolf says

>>598

I would not mind learning some.

You have summoned me. Here I am.

OK, so, you can learn Latin from a good book about it, some self-study volume. In general, these books all get the job done, just look around and see what works best for you.

I'll say, however, that you must understand that Latin doesn't work the way English, French, German, and other languages function: it works like Russian, Finnish, Polish, etc, meaning that you make sense of the words not by the order in the sentence, but by the varying endings of each word. There's a special ending for the noun, one for the verb, one for the object, etc.

This can be a bit daunting as it involves tons of tedious learning by heart. I'll give you a made up example:

>Bob kills John.

This means that Bob kills John, Bob is the subject (the doer), and John is the object (the one who suffers the action).

If I wrote

>John kills Bob.

I'd have the opposite meaning.

Latin works like this (although entirely made-up because I don't speak Latin at all)

>Boba kills Johnum

The -a means subject, the -um means object, and the -s, which we actually got from Latin for third person singulars (he, she, it) means third person singular.

I could write

>Kills Johnum Boba

>Johnum kills Boba

And they all mean the same: Bob kills John, because only Bob has the "mark" of the subject, so in any order, he does the action. For this reason, things can get tricky, although Latin tends to have the verb at the end: "Boba Johnum kills," which is also unusual for us (though not to Germans).

That said, if you are motivated, you can learn enough Latin to get something from it. Plenty of words exist in English that are based on it, and even more in the Latin languages like French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, etc, so any knowledge of these will help too, if you have any.

Personally, I'm not too crazy about Latin, from a Christian perspective, as I'd rather know the Greek used in the Gospels, and Aramaic and all that, to know exactly what our Bible says.

I certainly won't discourage you from learning, however. Where I work, we teach Latin, I could ask my workmate about a book in English that teaches Latin if you want.

>>604

Alright that's cool. I am going to try and learn some Greek in the summer as well after I am done with finals as well.

>>604

> There's a special ending for the noun, one for the verb, one for the object, etc.

German does the same essentially with articles

>because I don't speak Latin at all

Have we another participant then? :^)

>and even more in the Latin languages like French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, etc, so any knowledge of these will help too, if you have any.

People always say that but in fact it didn't really help when learning French. Maybe just a wrong feeling though.

Your post sums it up quite good. In fact there are some constructions where the word order matters but that's more in detail.

So how many are interested in this now?

>>608

>So how many are interested in this now?

1

>>609

2 I am op by the way

>>609

I would be pretty awesome if a bunch of us learned enough Latin to sing a Georgian chant for this board that would be the dankest of all of

>>611

OC

>>609

3 I am interested

>>609

I think I shill this my friend he mainly lurks the christian boards on 8chan so he might be interested.

>>611

>>612

Of courshe :^)

>>615

Yes pls

>>604

>Boba kills Johnum

" Boba Johnos killit" would be more appropriate me thinks :^)

>>604

I am curious do you work at a college teaching language?

>>618

Going to bump so the newcomers to the board can see this thread

>>657

>newcomers

It seems to me that we are always the same half a dozen guys :^)

not that this was bad

>>608

>Have we another participant then? :^)

Thing is, I studied Latin at university for two years (a side class I was forced to take) and I learned jacknuts from it, but if you guys have a thread about it, I'll be sure to look into it. I'm trying to learn Polish these days, and it's daunting enough.

>People always say that but in fact it didn't really help when learning French. Maybe just a wrong feeling though.

The best it can do is make some words familiar. Custodia won't be difficult to learn in Latin, since it's like custody, for instance, but yeah, it won't help too much for things other than vocab.

Bonus:

>who

>whom

The M comes from latin for "object", meaning not the subject of a verb: "The man whom I gave money…"

That same M is found in "them" which is originally "they" turned object: "theym", the sound disappeared through use (repeat theym 50 times fast) and it became just "them", but that M is the same thing.

Same process with "him" which was "he" plus M, giving "hem" which was then changed to "him" so it'd keep the pronunciation.

I've never learned this but my linguistics knowledge enabled me to deduce it. I'm 99% sure that's how it happened.

But yeah, if you guys have a Latin thread, I'll pay attention and even help when I can. I know how languages work in general, which allows me to pick up on mechanics pretty quickly, which can help.

>>663

You learning polish to try and get a qt catholic polish girl as a wife

>>663

You learning polish to try and get a qt catholic polish girl as a wife

>>667

Oops double post

>>622

I work in a Catholic school. I teach English, grammar analysis, literature, and generally how not to be a dick and a moron on earth.

I hate school as a kid and teen and I never dreamed of becoming a teacher; I studied for almost ten years and after some unemployment and shit internships, I tried giving private lessons, found out it worked and I was doing well, eventually came out of almost a decade of solitude and loneliness to work for a God-based institution which proved the salvation from my depression. I chose a Catholic school over another school. No coincidence. Maybe I should see more into this than I normally do. I literally work for the Church. My school is part of many, owned by a group of sisters who have their own official HQ at the Vatican.

>>670

Doing God's work there anon. My high school was a Catholic school run by the order of Saint Augustine

>>674

Due to shortage of Catholics, most of my workmates (and myself, I guess) are secular and the same thing goes for the students. Most I can find myself doing is being the greatest teacher I can be, inspire my students, and have Jesus on my keyring, so that when some require the key, they see it (and stuff like that always spreads like wildfire) and can connect the good they think of me with Christ, without me having to say a word about my tentative faith. I also explain matters of faith when the topic comes up.

>>611

Also to get back on topic. I have friend who doesn't browse chans but he has sung Gregorian chants and plays the organ. I saw him perform them before, he was god at it. I will try to get him involved with this

>>678

oops good forgot an o

>>663

>and I learned jacknuts from i

I am assuming that means not very much?

> Custodia won't be difficult to learn in Latin, since it's like custody

Sometimes it makes it even worse :^)

There is a bunch of words that have a different genus in French (having the same word male in latin and female in French messes things up)

>I've never learned this but my linguistics knowledge enabled me to deduce it. I'm 99% sure that's how it happened.

You are right. Mas a suffix indicates a dativum in germanic languages

>>677

> and can connect the good they think of me with Christ,

thats is a good idea

>>678

Would be great.

>>680

>. Mas a suffix

"M" as a suffix

>>680

isn't French part of the Romance languages that come from Latin

>>680

>I am assuming that means not very much?

Indeed. We had done one year of pure grammar, 2 hours a week, and then translations for another year. I preferred the second year because, while I learned no Latin, I discovered Latin texts and enjoyed what I learned there.

>thats is a good idea

It's the best I can do. And it's a lot, as the general idea here is that religion is a thing of the past and Christ is just a naturist who loves to hang out on big T's.

>>682

Yes but for whatever reasons the Frenchmen change the genus of the latin words rather often.

That latin has three geni while Franch has only two plays into this surely.

>>683

>2 hours a week

That is not enough imo

>>687

French even has some words whose gender changed across the centuries. "Amour" used to be female, now it's male.

Two hours a week was a lot for someone who didn't choose Latin as a subject. If you studied any language like French or English, or literature of the European and Western sort, you are under the obligation to study either Greek or Latin for two years, 2 hours a week. Probably not enough to get a good grasp, but surely enough to put you off either. I wasn't a motivated student back then, though. Maintaining a reason to live through despair was work enough. Until it failed.

>>688

>Two hours a week was a lot for someone who didn't choose Latin as a subject

but it is not enough to "master" a language in my opinion

> "Amour" used to be female, now it's male.

yes and when it is used people say l'amour and scarcely un amour it is barely possible for me to pick up the genus of a new French word while in conversation, but maybe that's a me-thing

>>690

>but it is not enough to "master" a language in my opinion

Of course. It was supposed to be a basis only. My subjects were English, French, and social sciences. Latin was to me like geology was to a man learning pottery.

>>690

Probably that dastardly nasal sound.

>>694

Oh god the social sciences they weren't filled with SJWS yet when you took those courses right

>>697

They probably were. Never had too much contact with my fellow students, so I can't be sure, but yes, that's the sort of class they take.

I discovered, however, rightwing sociology. I also discovered nobody in the academy cares for it, despite its existence.

I learned to know the enemy during those years, although I was the same sort of faggot back then. I fortunately grew out of it.

>started as atheist extreme liberal

>became rightwing religious person

>>698

>social sciences

>Never had too much contact with my fellow students

k

>started as atheist extreme liberal

>became rightwing religious person

If only more managed to make this shift

>>698

Honestly I never been liberal my entire life and now that I am in college, all it is doing is pushing me more and more right. I guess I don't have a heart since I was never liberal

>>701

You can study social sciences without being very social yourself, you know. You can study sex and remain a virgin. You can study proctology without being an asshole.

>If only more managed to make this shift

All it took at some point was seeing that the clique-mentality was strong with libs, and their principles fell away as soon as it was about themselves. If your principles can be changed depending on who's under attack, they are worthless principles. Not everyone is like that, but those who aren't are smart enough not to mention it out loud. People do sense the bullshit, but are unlikely to mention it unless someone else takes the bold first step. I did a few times and people came to me afterwards to let me know they shared my opinion, they just won't say so in public.

>>706

Here's how I see things: being Christian (or having a heart, which is why I mention it) is about doing good things for people (in a practical sense); politics is all about how to achieve that.

While I generally dislike libs, I will not deny that they are trying to do good and that their intentions are good. I merely deplore the fact that they think having good intentions exonerates one from being practical and looking at reality in the eye.

I was a lib because I grew up in that environment, politically, and watching TV. The Internet enabled me to see more ideas and see them in ways that are legit and credible, not just caricatures. I have Americans to thank for that. American Republicans, one in particular, and American Christians for showing me how Christianity was a normal behaviour.

>>733

yeah when i said no heart I was referring to the saying if you don't vote liberal when you are 20 you have no heart and if don't vote conservative when your 30 you have no brain.

>>678

my friend looks like he is interested in this project and apparently he has browsed 8chan before

>>609

4 (thumbs up)

Latin Mass = Best Mass. Dominus Vobiscum. Deo Gratias

>>842

>yeah when i said no heart I was referring to the saying if you don't vote liberal when you are 20 you have no heart and if don't vote conservative when your 30 you have no brain

I know, I heard it. I forget who said that, but he was Republican, and I think he said 50, giving you more time to wise up.

>>678

Have you already talked to him?

>>881

Yup he apparently does browse 8chan and I already showed him to board and he says he going to be involved

>>598

>learning Latin instead of Koine

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>>942

if there is enough interest, we can learn that too.

I know it is boring, but it is absolutely necessary to understand this basic stuff before we can even rly start with Latin specifics.

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Latin

Basics

What is a sentence?

A sentence is a coherent way of imparting information consisting of different constituents (i.e. Subject, Predicate or Attribute ]

Generally each sentence has to consist of at least:

1 Subject

1 Predicate

In order to have a valid meaning [with some exceptions)

What is a subject?

A subject is (usually) a noun or a pronoun that exercises the action that is determined by the predicate. Its Casus is the Nominative.

What is a predicate?

A Predicate is a verbum that has the function of imparting the (main/chief) action/meaning of the independent clause.

What else?

Objects: Those are the nouns/pronouns that is being acted upon.

Adjectives and Adverbs

Adjectives are used to describe nouns or pronouns

Adverbs are used to describe verbs or adjectives

That’s the main part of sentences (for the basics)

i.e.

OP is a stupid faggot

OP is the Subject

“is” is the Predicate

Stupid is an attribute/ adjective describing a noun

Faggot is the object. Casus is the Accusative

In order to be able to translate/understand a sentence we have to analyse it and determine each part.

We start with the predicate. Predicate is here obviously “is” but if you have a longer sentence with more verbs it can be harder to determine, so this is an important step

Now the subject. The subject is (usually) the noun that relates to the predicate

“is” relates to OP. Who is? OP is. So OP has to be the Subject.

Now objects. Object is here faggot. OP is “what”? OP is a faggot.

Usually it is necessary to also determine the casus in order to see how the object relates to the Subject/ Predicate but we’ll keep it at that for now.

Now we are left with stupid. Who/what does stupid relate to? Faggot. Stupid faggot. In Latin this will be more obvious since attributes will obviously have the same genus/number/casus as the noun, which is seen at the suffix (/ending)

I would be thankful if Oolf (or someone else who knows this stuff) could go further into detail with this in an adequate way.

>>998

Casi

Every noun has a casus that determines its relation to the rest of the sentence. Latin has 6.

1Nominative

The nominative case indicates the subject of a finite verb: We went to the store.

2. Genitive

The genitive case, which roughly corresponds to English's possessive case and preposition of, indicates the possessor of another noun: John's book was on the table. and The pages of the book turned yellow.

3.Dative

The dative case indicates the indirect object of a verb: The clerk gave us a discount.

4Accusative

The accusative case indicates the direct object of a verb: The clerk remembered us.

5 Vocative

The vocative case indicates an addressee: John, are you all right? or simply Hello, John!

6 Ablative

The ablative case indicates movement from something, or cause: The victim went from us to see the doctor. and He was unhappy because of depression.

In Latin the ablative also includes the Locative and the Instrumental case (ablative instrumentalis)

The locative case indicates a location: We live in China.

The instrumental case indicates an object used in performing an action: We wiped the floor with a mop. and Written by hand.

Casi are to be seen in Latin by the Suffix

Conjugation (help pls Oolf)

By the way a verb is conjugated we see the number and genus, person, the time and the mood (Indikativ/Imperative/Conjunctive mainly)

Singular Plural

1st .personI go We go

2nd personYou go You go

3rd He/she/it goes they go

In latin each person has a different ending (like with he goes in 3rd person English)

So far to language in general. I’ll continue with the beginning of actual Latin in the evening.

>>1000

So that's where the get is!

>>1016

I just had to take it after I saw I was on 999 :^)

>>998

>>999

Any additions? :^)

>>1107

Weird how you keep the cases in Latin. We just call them "cases". Then "nominative", "genitive", etc. Do you call it a verbus too?

I learned this whole thing by heart back when university required me to learn Latin, and it was for naught.

N

G

D

A

V

A

I imagined that was the name of an Eskimo princess to remember the sequence. That's all I remember from my Latin course.

>>1107

thanks for sharing with us. I will be sure to study it in depth soon but I have finals right now and well i have to cram for that too.

not latin related sorry

since I have a trip here that confirms I am me I state for eventual future reference that I am not the one sliding /int/ right now and that this is my last post today there

>>>/int/253198

My apologies

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>>1108

>Weird how you keep the cases in Latin. We just call them "cases". Then "nominative", "genitive", etc.

I decided to do so because it saves me the work of looking up the English terms since I know the Latin ones anyway :^)

>I learned this whole thing by heart back when university required me to learn Latin, and it was for naught.

I thought you would have use for it as a linguist?

> That's all I remember from my Latin course.

Unfortunate

>>1117

>and well i have to cram for that too.

no problem, that's more important of course

next post will be on the verbs then

PS

>>1108

> Do you call it a verbus too?

No because it's verbum :^)

Translating Latin

When we see a Latin sentence we have to find the predicate first. Then the subject it relates to.

Now we can divide the sentence into indepedendent clause and (if there) dependent clause(s).

In each we find at first the other verbs and then the objects they relate to. Last step is determining to which object(/subject) the adjectives (/adverbs etc) belong to.

So for example:

Jesus discipulos suos, qui lacu sunt, vocat,

What’s the predicate here? Vocat. It can’t be sunt since it is not part of the independent clause.

“vocat” relates to? Discipulos? No the disciples can’t be meant sine they are in Accusative. It has to be Jesus. Who does Jesus “vocat” ? Discipulos, the disciples are in accusative so they are meant.

Next the adjective: suos (his) it is in accusative plural maskulinum so it has to relate to discipulos.

So we have: Jesus calls his disciples. That’s the main clause.

Qui lacu sunt. “Qui” is who and sunt is “are”. The disciples, who are lacu.

Lacus means lake. The disciples who are a lake? No. The disciples who are ON the lake because lacu is ablative. Always check the case or you miss the meaning.

It is also important to choose the “right” translation. i.e. we already knew that “discipulus” means pupil but that wouldn’t fit here. It also means disciple – that sounds right.

>>1219

also one of the most important verba:

esse = to be

sum sumus

es estis

est sunt

I will later on give you a couple of sentences with which you can work, then we will see and I will wait for feedback

>>1220

dont worry I am still lurking. keep posting

>>1267

hm I will, but I wonder how to continue.

As I've learned it you would now usually try to use the knowledge and so getting better at it.

I guess I will upload a couple of example sentences from what we've got so far these days, and then continue per week.

>>1315

>>1315

finals that's what americans have fter high school, is it?

I still remember that, I even had an examen on Latin now that I think about it.

>>1330

Yeah and they have finals in high school as well

>>1333

I will continue this as I will keep posting on /christ/ in geeral/usual amount. The problem is just that I've been lying ill in bed now since a week and can't concentrate to make a sophisticated post.

Sorry.

>>1341

me of course

>>1342

its cool just finished my finals and now i got a lot more free time on hand. I will start making more good threads again

>1344

Did you pass them or do you have a lot of spare time now because you didn't :^)

Aedificium aedificant

they build the building/house

Aedificium dei aedificant

they build the house of god

Aedificium dei aedificant, quia sciunt id deo placere.

*”id deos placere” means “that god likes it”

they build the house of god because they know that god likes it

“Quid nescies”? Marcus rogat.

What do you know? Asked Marc

“Scio deum. Ora. Si tu oras, deus cum te loquit, Christus dicit.” Respondet amicus

”I know god. I pray. If you pray God talks with you, says Christ” answers the friend”

Marcus meditat. Penso nunc scio, quid vis dicere. Quid nomen aedificii est?

Mar thinks about it. I think I understand now what you want to tell me. What’s the name of the building?

Templum nostrum gens ecclesia appellant. Ea ecclesia ecclesia Sancti Thomas est.

The people call our temple Church. This church is the Church of St Thomas

>>1380

>ecclesia appellant

ecclesiam here

I checked if I made mistakes but it seems right so far. Is this the format I shall use or is differently better?

It would be important that you actually try to form/translate sentences by yourself if you want to learn imo.

I could also just give a whole latin text and give a translation later so that you can try by yourself which you already should now :^) or a English text that you could together try to translate.

Or anything else that makes sense :^) I would just need feedback

>>1355

I passed them

Quintus dormit. Lectus suus commodus est. Saepe si Quintus iacet somnium habet.

“Somniasne Quintus?” Iulia rogat. Sed Quintus nunc non iacet in lecto. Quintus in schola sedet.

Responde mihi! Irae Iuliae crescit. Quintus ea nesciet. Quintus somnium habet.

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Cur leges? Quid adiuvat legere?

Oculi fessi sunt. Tergum dolet.

Sensa te relinquit. Omitte lector! Facinus vanus est.

Face aliquid, sed de legere absistis.

Amici gaudium habet.

Quid facent? Colloquunt, cenant, bibunt, rident et cetera facinora, quae amici boni facent.

"Quaeris quid? " Thomas rogat

"Quaero clavis meus. 2 Petrus respondet

"Perditus estne? " Thomas scire vult

"Ita est, clavis meus perditus est. " Petrus replicat

"Ubi perdit quam?" Thomas adiuvare attemptat.

"Ea perdit ibi." Petrus respondet

"Cur hic quaeris?" Thomas rogat

"Hic quaerere facilis est." dicit Petrus

>>1458

>"Ea perdit ibi." Petrus respondet

*eam

I may havecaseswrong occassionaly btw. I never tried to write a text before :^)

>>1457

Quintus sleeps. His bed is comfy. Often when Quintus lies (in bed) he has a dream.

"What do you dream"? asks Julia

But Quintus does not lie in bed. Quintus sits in school.

Answer me! the anger of Juliet grows.

Quintus does not know (all) this.

Quintus has a dream.

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Why do you read?What does reading help?

The eyes are tired. The back hurts.

Your senses leave you. Stop it reader! Your deeed is in vain.

Do something else, but abstain from reading.

>>1458

The friends have fun.

What they do? They talk, they eat, they drink, they laugh and other actions, which good friends do.

What are you looking for? asks Thomas.

I'm looking for my key. Answers Peter

Is it lost? Wants Thomas to know.

Yes =so is it , my key is lost. Responds Peter.

>Ubi perdis quam

Where do you lose it?, tries Thomas to help

weird,I know but you only know present tense so far

> Eam perdo ibi

I have lost it there. Responds Peter

Why do you look for it here? Asks Thomas

It is easy to look for it here, says Peter

>>1833

The two citations are parts where I did make a mistake and corrected it, person wa wrong in both cases.

>>1380

> Si tu oras, deus cum te loquit, Christus dicit.”

"Si" is an important word that means "when"

>Quid

What, which

>nostrum

I will make a chart of them, that will be easier.

>>1457

>Saepe

often

>nunc

now

> Quintus ea nesciet.

I will go into detail about this construction later

>quae

qui, quae, quod means who (male), who (female) and which

Is irregular, will also make a chart

>"Perditus estne?

next post

>Cur

Why?

>ibi

there

>ubi

where

>hic

means here in this case

Just the interjunctions, nomina and verba I will explain later on.

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You should in general keep vocabulary, I just realise that I never explained how to do that ;^) properly.

>>1835

>You should in general keep vocabulary, I just realise that I never explained how to do that ;^) properly.

First of all the nominative

amicus

Then the genitive. This is important because it shows the principal form of the noun.

amicus, -i

only -i here because principal form is same as in nominative amic+suffix

Then you note the genus, is not always the same as the ending indicated.

That's it.

Examples:

amicitia, amicitiae f. - friendship

animal, animalis n. - animal

corpus, corporis n. - body

Don't skip the genus part pls it is important.

ie

poeta, poetae is male although it ends in -a

Verba

here you not first person, second person and infinitive later on also tenses but you know none

ambulo,-as,-are - to walk

tolero-as,-are - suffer, bear

placeo,-es,-ere - like

etcpp

Adjectives:

Nominative all genders, so far that will be three for you but that will also change.

magnus, -a, -um - big

suus,-a,-um - his, her, its

sacer,-cra,-crum - holy

clam - secret has only one for example, there are others we will comelater to.

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>>1835

>next post

Perditus estne? means Is it lost?

-ne indicates a question, is at least in Latin not necessary though.

Ambulantne? Do they walk?

Fugitne? Does she flee?

There is no inversial questioning in latin, keep that in mind, word order can be arbitrary.

everything else you just keep as it is

statim - immediately

denique - eventually

nihil-nothing

>>2326

>etcpp

Is Latin too btw.

It is an abbrevation of: et cetera perge perge,

meaning: and the others go on go on

>>1835

>I will go into detail about this construction later

ea is important here.

It is neutrum plural not feminine

If you ever refer to something in general you refer to it in neutrum plural

German is very similar to that a lot, might make a post about it once although it is useless of course

So if you look up "everything"/"all" it will say omnium, but you have to use it differently when referring to stuff. An example.

Omnia lingua latina sunt.

Everything is in ablative there Latin.

Omniahas to be in Neutrum pl though!

Omnia comprehendisne?

fun fact: the word bus is Latin.

Omnibus is Ablative plural of omnium and means "for all". A bus is literally a vehicle "for all" . It was abbreviated after a while and lost the omni part.

Which leaves it with bus, suffix for ablative plural in Latin

>>2328

>If you ever refer to something in general you refer to it in neutrum plural

>>2327

et cetera - the others is neutrum plural too as you see.

In the evening I will deliver the promised charts, a new declension, a new conjugation and if I feel like it another text example

still following. need to bump because i have been away for awhile