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>>6049

>But seriously, are there any atheist writers that you respect?

Sure. I always found it baffling that most people need to agree with others on every single point in order to respect them.

I can value someone's opinion without agreeing with him.

I'm a great fan of Nietzsche ie. Also Schopenhauer.

I also like the philosophers of the old that were pagans, especially seneca.

>On a side note, what is the strongest argument against atheism by a christian (or any of religion) philosopher?

If an argument is strong or not depends on the circumstances. An argument that's strong for you may not work for the next guy at all.

>>6055

lmao at that comic, new-atheists with their scientism are retarded. I used to follow them almost religiously (oh the irony), now I've started to read better atheists though, actual philosophers this time. Will check out that book.

>>6061

>I'm a great fan of Nietzsche

I'm curious as to how any christian could find something worthwhile in Nietzsche.

>>6049

Hume was an atheist, was he not?

Albert Camus, Schopenhauer, Sartre and Hume are perhaps the most influential on me.

I'm not really sure what I am anymore. Perhaps this realm is the hell for me… Why don't atheists acknowledge the meaninglessness of life? Why do they cling to those things, yet sever them from others?

>>6097

I don't really consider Nietzsche an atheist, more like an I-theist.

>>6100

Hume's religious position is up in the air. Atheism wasn't a very common position back then even among the academics and intellectuals. He didn't think much of Christianity however. I'd wager that he was a deist.

Now as far as the meaning of life, or rather its meaninglessness. There are of course a great many atheists who do acknowledge it. Some, like Dawkins, think it's a stupid conundrum and have no problem admitting that everything they do, on a cosmic level, is meaningless.

There are philosophical schools of thought that delve into the issue however. It's kind of trite to recommend exestentialism at this point but if you haven't read any you should. Nietzsche and Sarte are good starting points.

>>6107

Just realized you said you already read Camus and Sarte. My bad, but I have to question why you said that atheists don't bring up life's meaninglessness then.

>>6107

are you op?

which philosphers do you like

>>6055

+1 for William Lane Craig. I've been reading a lot of his works along with Kierkegaard lately. Good stuff there.

>>6095

>pic unrelated

It is baffling how thouroughly the unholy alliance between "conservatives"kek and liberals in the classical 19th century sense has taken place, by now they seem indistinguishable. A shame.

>>6097

>I'm curious as to how any christian could find something worthwhile in Nietzsche.

There is the opportunity to like someone without agreeing with him or embracing his positions. I personally like his great sense of aesthetics and regard his works less as a recommendation of how to do things, but as an explanation of the necessary end of atheism. His works, and the last humans that are described in Thus spoke Zarathustra are a dystopia, and if an atheist is brave enough which Nietzsche was to think all of his ideas to an end, then he has to arrive there.

Strangely me being a Christian has a lot to do with him and me rejecting this terrible world that he constructs. I think he would have been a good Christian if this grace had been bestowed upon him.

>>6117

> if this grace had been bestowed upon him.

are you a secret calvinist?

>>6121

>are you a secret calvinist?

No but I dangerously like a lot of their ideas. It seems to me that they are just going too far

>>6055

>>6113

Craig is literally an autist

>>6743

> he says, on 8chan

Nietzche is wrong, but he's wrong with real heart and soul, and he accurately diagnoses and predicts what the loss of Christianity did to the West.

>>6121

Thats not in calvinism alone. However obviously Nietzsche was baptised. So grace has been bestowed and who declares otherwise be anathema.

I will think about the OP and reply properly later.

>>6798

So you think nietzsche is going to heaven?

>>6799

I am not a calvinist so I think that grace is resistible.

>>6799

With God all things are possible, but it seems sadly unlikely. But I think it's more possible than a philosophically ignorant fedoralord going to Heaven - cold or hot are both better than lukewarm.

Thoughts on how God used the timing of Christ and Ancient Greece?

>>6055

David Hume is the solipsist of moral philosophy.

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