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 No.6133

At the very heart of this question lies a fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old and New Testaments reveal about the nature of God. Another way of expressing this same basic thought is when people say, “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love.” The fact that the Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to us through historical events and through His relationship with people throughout history might contribute to misconceptions about what God is like in the Old Testament as compared to the New Testament. However, when one reads both the Old and the New Testaments, it becomes evident that God is not different from one testament to another and that God’s wrath and His love are revealed in both testaments.

For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is declared to be a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,” (Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 4:31; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:5, 15; 108:4; 145:8; Joel 2:13). Yet in the New Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are manifested even more fully through the fact that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God dealing with Israel the same way a loving father deals with a child. When they willfully sinned against Him and began to worship idols, God would punish them. Yet, each time He would deliver them once they had repented of their idolatry. This is much the same way God deals with Christians in the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6 tells us that “the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”

In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on sin. Likewise, in the New Testament we see that the wrath of God is still “being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:18). So, clearly, God is no different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament. God by His very nature is immutable (unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture more than other aspects, God Himself does not change.

As we read and study the Bible, it becomes clear that God is the same in the Old and New Testaments. Even though the Bible is 66 individual books written on two (or possibly three) continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years by more than 40 authors, it remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. In it we see how a loving, merciful, and just God deals with sinful men in all kinds of situations. Truly, the Bible is God’s love letter to mankind. God’s love for His creation, especially for mankind, is evident all through Scripture. Throughout the Bible we see God lovingly and mercifully calling people into a special relationship with Himself, not because they deserve it, but because He is a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth. Yet we also see a holy and righteous God who is the Judge of all those who disobey His Word and refuse to worship Him, turning instead to worship gods of their own creation (Romans chapter 1).

Because of God’s righteous and holy character, all sin—past, present, and future—must be judged. Yet God in His infinite love has provided a payment for sin and a way of reconciliation so that sinful man can escape His wrath. We see this wonderful truth in verses like 1 John 4:10: “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” In the Old Testament, God provided a sacrificial system whereby atonement could be made for sin. However, this sacrificial system was only temporary and merely looked forward to the coming of Jesus Christ who would die on the cross to make a complete substitutionary atonement for sin. The Savior who was promised in the Old Testament is fully revealed in the New Testament. Only envisioned in the Old Testament, the ultimate expression of God’s love, the sending of His Son Jesus Christ, is revealed in all its glory in the New Testament. Both the Old and the New Testaments were given “to make us wise unto salvation” (2 Timothy 3:15). When we study the Testaments closely, it is evident that God “does not change like shifting shadows” (James 1:17).

 No.6167

How would you answer the comments that says that the OT God is ebil ?


 No.6169

>>6167

>How would you answer the comments that says that the OT God is ebil ?

Those who reject the God of the OT, also reject the God of the NT because there is but one God. The same reason why jews are not saved, just the other way round.

I'd also demand specific examples, which is where it usually ends because no one is really into theology anymore.


 No.6171

>>6169

well, ive had mm share of "debates" with atheist and they normally cite sodoma, the israels war, etc as proof that God is ebil


 No.6175

>>6171

Yes, because God IS the source of morals which are never changing it has to seem to them, to those who adhere to a relativistic world view of morals, as if he was "evil". They do not consider it a possibility that they themselve may be evil, because for them they are their own God.

The destruction of Sodom was grace, as were the wars which conquered the Israelites their promised land.

So next would be: What was evil in this actions? What would have been good?


 No.6176

>>6169

> there is but one God.

What if the hebrews were worshipping a false god during the OT?

What of the commandment 'no other gods before me?'

Is there nothing that can impersonate god, that could be mistaken for it?

What of the gods of the Canaanites, such as Moloch?


 No.6177

>>6175

> Sodom was grace

how so?


 No.6181

>>6176

>What if the hebrews were worshipping a false god during the OT?

In this case the God of the NT was wrong too. Because he clearly confirms the OT as a source of divine revelation and fulfills all the prophecies. Neither jews, nor any non-gnostic Christians, not even Muslims believe that the OT is a hoax or that there is some kind of demi-urge. Essentially all of monotheism is very clear on this.

>What of the commandment 'no other gods before me?'

God is a title here. Athena may have been the "goddess" of Athens, but she took no part in creation of the world.

There is only one creator, and he views them with ire, who worship the creation instead of the creator.

>Is there nothing that can impersonate god, that could be mistaken for it?

Sure, that's why there is this multitude of religions and ideologies. Also modern hedonism ie

>What of the gods of the Canaanites, such as Moloch?

I personally think that those are demons, but of course there is no final proof in this. Maybe they have been some kind of myth that got out of hand. I wonder how many deities started as a propaganda tale idealising certain "heros", like the Gilgamesh epos.

>>6177

Sodom was like the manifestation of evil in this world. Every day passing by was another day of guilt upon this city. And it would have never repented, it saw no wrong in its vile actions.

Punishment would have come anyway, because a righteous God has to let justice take place. So anything prolonging this farce would have caused further suffering.


 No.6185

>>6181

But Sodomians(?) choose evil right? why couldnt they keep living in evil? why did God had to intervene in their free will?


 No.6186

>>6185

>But Sodomians(?) choose evil right? why couldnt they keep living in evil? why did God had to intervene in their free will?

There was no obligation for God to do what he did. He decided to do so, which by itself indicates that it was the best action.

The people of Sodom chose evil and would not have turned away from it, there is no reason to further let them be.

Their punishment will take place at that point and will only get worse as time goes by.

>why did God had to intervene in their free will?

Maybe he could not bear the suffering that Sodom caused to the people of Sodom and others anymore, again, my personal guess is mercy.




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