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Unusual Beliefs One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:15:27 No.619

Here's a thread I can't imagine on /christian/: what are some of your unusual beliefs as a Christian?

Having read pic-related, and various documentaries, I would not be shocked at all if it turned out that we live more than one lives. I can't say I found evidence in the Bible that we are limited to one. This doesn't even need to change the rest: you may still go where you'd have gone in a single life.

Share yours!

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:17:37 No.621

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discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:29:14 No.627

>>619

I believe that there is a purpose for the Saints in heaven which is the actual reason that we have been created.

don't ask me what purpose I have no idea

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:33:41 No.630

>>627

Interesting I don't really have an beliefs that are unusual though.

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:38:44 No.631

>>619

I am not sure tht I have any very unorthodox beliefs.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:38:59 No.632

>>627

How about this for a reason: much like humans in Buddhism, who are best placed to reach "salvation" because of the human condition (more so than gods who feel no pain or sadness), perhaps being human grants a middle ground of great importance, which would tie in very nicely with God's Incarnation. Perhaps we are right at the vanishing point of the painting of the universe: neither almighty nor powerless, neither innocent nor idiotic, neither comfortable nor unable to adapt.

I never forget that, to my knowledge, Christ is the first "antihero"; in an age where only might is respected, you get this man who does it a completely different way and nobody gets it, and then it works against all odds. From a purely literary point of view, Christ is so absolutely original as to suggest He was exactly who He said He was.

discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:43:23 No.635

>>632

>I never forget that, to my knowledge, Christ is the first "antihero"; in an age where only might is respected, you get this man who does it a completely different way and nobody gets it, and then it works against all odds. From a purely literary point of view, Christ is so absolutely original as to suggest He was exactly who He said He was.

That is an interesting thought

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:44:43 No.638

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>>619

>I can't say I found evidence in the Bible that we are limited to one.

Uh what about Hebrews 9:27? I guess technically we're limited to two not one.

Anyway reincarnation… no, just no. Ever heard of the weird cases of organ transplants that caused the receivers to change habits, likings and such? Now I don't remember for sure but I think I've read or heard something about implanting memories of how the donor died. You can have real memories inside of you that are not your own. I know it's probably overused as a method of explanations but there's a possibility the memories of "past lives" are the memories of demons.

As for my unusual beliefs as a Christian: creation was a mistake.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:45:55 No.639

>>635

Highly so. My main area of expertise is literature, and in everything I know the literature of the times, no author would have imagined writing Christ, as everybody back then, possibly the world over, would have laughed at such a hero. Christ stands out as this absolutely revolutionary "character".

It doesn't strike us today as much as it must have back then.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:49:23 No.640

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>>638

>Hebrews 9:27

>Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Each person is destined to die once, but that could be per life. You can only die once in each life. Maybe?

>You can have real memories inside of you that are not your own. I know it's probably overused as a method of explanations but there's a possibility the memories of "past lives" are the memories of demons.

This could be. I know of cases where a person died and the body became inhabited by someone else. Xenomemories are definitely an interesting field.

>As for my unusual beliefs as a Christian: creation was a mistake.

That's hardcore. How does your faith even survive this? You think God was wrong and that His universe sucks? I'm all ears!

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:53:01 No.643

>>640

>Each person is destined to die once, but that could be per life. You can only die once in each life. Maybe?

That seems to be twisting what it says for no reason.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 19:57:23 No.646

>>643

Perhaps, I'm not familiar with the quote. I'm only suggesting it could still make sense within that context.

Aren't there some Jewish scriptures that suggest reincarnation? I know some Jews did believe in reincarnation based on scripture. Not sure.

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:00:38 No.647

>>646

>Aren't there some Jewish scriptures that suggest reincarnation? I know some Jews did believe in reincarnation based on scripture. Not sure.

There are some modern Jews who believe in it.

http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380599/jewish/Judaism-and-Reincarnation.htm

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:19:10 No.653

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>>640

>You can only die once in each life. Maybe?

Final judgement once per life? Try to support such view.

>How does your faith even survive this?

I want to be fair. I haven't given God a chance to explain himself yet. Well you can say I gave it but you know, God doesn't talk to us anymore because reasons He won't explain because He doesn't talk to us anymore…

>You think God was wrong

In a way God Himself stated He was "wrong" but I keep in mind that I might be misinterpreting something. Do you remember "and He repented that He created man" ? There's one point where everything goes to shit and that is God already knew everything about everything before creating everything.

>and that His universe sucks?

It does suck so much I cannot even begin to describe it. I know, I know, free will this, free will that but letting Satan have his fun with earth is another matter. There's so many things dark and twisted. The rules governing our existence are fucked up beyond repair. Why make it so that the power, control and all manner of influence are so easier to attain for the wicked?

I get that God has a point to make so I don't think it could be any other way for most of the parts I'm distressed with, however there is an alternative (or at least there was): never creating anything in the first place.

discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:26:39 No.654

>>653

>I get that God has a point to make so I don't think it could be any other way for most of the parts I'm distressed with, however there is an alternative (or at least there was):

Wishing that someone never existed is even worse than wishing him death.

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:27:49 No.655

>>654

This

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:28:31 No.656

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>>653

>Final judgement once per life? Try to support such view.

I wouldn't, but final judgement can be made on 1000 lives you've lived. Souls are judged once in the end.

>I want to be fair. I haven't given God a chance to explain himself yet. Well you can say I gave it but you know, God doesn't talk to us anymore because reasons He won't explain because He doesn't talk to us anymore…

I can help in that area.

> There's one point where everything goes to shit and that is God already knew everything about everything before creating everything.

Not everyone thinks God foreknows all. I tend not to, and my rationale is that giving us free will means making room for us, giving us something that puts us on par with Him, with all due proportions kept. The only way for God to remain good and us free is for Him to make Himself ignorant of the future we choose for ourselves (sorta).

I'm not automatically opposed to different views of God, such as a God that isn't "perfect" the way we imagine, since nothing real can be "perfect". Maybe God can change His mind, make mistakes, etc. Who knows.

>It does suck so much I cannot even begin to describe it. I know, I know, free will this, free will that but letting Satan have his fun with earth is another matter. There's so many things dark and twisted. The rules governing our existence are fucked up beyond repair. Why make it so that the power, control and all manner of influence are so easier to attain for the wicked?

Suppose God is real and Heaven is real. Even the worst of the worst here on earth is nothing compared to eternity in pure happiness.

Think of the best life you could imagine. Just do it. To me, I imagine living on the side of a cliff, where everyone has little hanging hut with computers and books and candles, and everyone's like your best friend, absolutely everyone gets along, we all have bbq's together, and it's nothing but fun all the time. Imagine something you love, then make it even better. That's how Heaven is, I suppose. What's 75 years of earth if you can have this forever after?

That said, I hear you.

>there is an alternative (or at least there was): never creating anything in the first place.

I have faith that God thought existence was better than that.

I do believe I can help you with this stuff; it's very close to my heart.

Pic-related does a good job of it too in many ways.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:30:59 No.659

>>653

https://youtu.be/CBu_Jw61UZE

Perhaps this will help a bit. It's about why God makes it so we can't be sure He even exists.

Your picture is giving me feels. I have seen it before, but damn… I feel that way often.

discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:32:17 No.661

>>653

>>656

What if heaven is better than the paradise of Adam and Eve and everything thus turns out better than expected in fact?

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:39:15 No.665

>>661

It certainly seems to be the idea. John Milton makes this a very important notion in Paradise Lost.

Heaven sure sounds better than being naked in a garden with only a woman and some animals.

>new heaven and new earth

I was always confused by the idea of a new earth. Who's that for?

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:39:46 No.666

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>>654

>Wishing that someone never existed is even worse than wishing him death.

I'm not exactly wishing someone never existed. I'm wishing nothing ever existed, safe for God who is not under the laws of creation anyway. Not existing is not evil. It's not any kind of harm. There's no subject to experience the lack of it's chance at life.

>>661

>>656

>Suppose God is real and Heaven is real. Even the worst of the worst here on earth is nothing compared to eternity in pure happiness.

I never really got why this convinces anyone.

Consider the following: creation is intertwined. You cannot have full creation and salvation without all the abominations. The only way for ghoulish sins to never happen would be for everything to never exist. As someone existing and saved to rejoice in the heavenly gladness you still bear the weight of all evil that is bound to the instance of creation along with you. In short we're the reason unthinkable crimes happen. I can see no other way to deny evil than to deny creation and hope it could have had never happened.

Check em.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:48:32 No.671

>>666

Daaaaamn… You're making chan history here.

You have good thoughts.

>The only way for ghoulish sins to never happen would be for everything to never exist.

Absolutely true, but think about it: all the good things in life wouldn't exist either, and if you think about it, there's more good in our lives than bad. Hour by hour, I am more blessed than I am damned, even when life is tough (well, not always, but most of the time).

I believe God thinks pain is necessary. I sometimes think we need this time on earth to learn to suffer so that peace has a taste for us.

We'd be happy idiots without a time down here. We'd not appreciate, it'd make us sad and/or dumb. I sometimes think God's Incarnation may have something to do with this. God needed to know.

Can God know what it's like not to be God? I often wondered if omniscience included its own absence, and I figured it didn't, thus the Incarnation was necessary, so God would know what God can't know when God. That stuff sounds straight up Trinitarian for all the good reasons. It makes sense.

As to abominations: remember this from Lewis, the maximum amount of pain felt by one human being is the maximum amount of pain ever felt in the whole universe. Pain does not add up. It's a one person thing.

Pain is just nerve signals. All abominations are defective love, selfish love. In a way, things are better than we imagine.

discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 20:54:16 No.675

>>666

> As someone existing and saved to rejoice in the heavenly gladness you still bear the weight of all evil that is bound to the instance of creation along with you. In short we're the reason unthinkable crimes happen. I can see no other way to deny evil than to deny creation and hope it could have had never happened.

For now. But those unthinkable crimes will be forgotten and evil itself loses in the end so it doesn't matter.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 21:05:28 No.685

>>666

>In short we're the reason unthinkable crimes happen.

Could this be the elusive Original Sin? Our very existence requires horrors to happen. Thanks for an interesting new thought.

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 21:17:48 No.691

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>>675

>crimes will be forgotten and evil itself loses in the end so it doesn't matter.

But it was still there.

discipulus !qBzTcerKDk 04/24/15 (Fri) 21:20:13 No.693

>>691

Yes. I see your point here and others share it but for me personally it doesn't matter

Nietzsche's definition of salvation i.e. is the ability to change the past into a " I willed it happening like this" and I was very impressed by that

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/24/15 (Fri) 21:21:04 No.695

>>691

Indeed. I also don't think we will forget. We will understand in such a way that it won't hurt us, but forgetting it all seems a waste of hard-earned experience.

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 21:29:43 No.700

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>>693

>it doesn't matter

But it wa-

Anonymous 04/24/15 (Fri) 22:26:32 No.703

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>>659

>https://youtu.be/CBu_Jw61UZE

Sounds nice, even beautiful, at least till you dig deeper into the fabric of our reality. Webm related.

>>656

>Not everyone thinks God foreknows all. I tend not to

I can't imagine God as anything short of omniscient. Anyway there's enough passages to support the omniscience of God at least in my estimation. Omniscience does not exclude free will.

>>671

>all the good things in life wouldn't exist either

We can't really have nice things anyway. Also, while that might be using Scripture against God: "Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?"

>I believe God thinks pain is necessary.

There is pain and there is mind-breaking trauma. God does not protect His little ones.

>We'd be happy idiots without a time down here. We'd not appreciate, it'd make us sad and/or dumb.

I understand that line of thought and that's why I'm not trying to eradicate bad things per se, that probably wouldn't solve the problem. What I desire is uncreation and it's something completely different.

>I sometimes think God's Incarnation may have something to do with this. God needed to know.

>Can God know what it's like not to be God? I often wondered if omniscience included its own absence, and I figured it didn't, thus the Incarnation was necessary, so God would know what God can't know when God. That stuff sounds straight up Trinitarian for all the good reasons. It makes sense.

This isn't something I feel knowledgeable enough to talk.

>the maximum amount of pain felt by one human being is the maximum amount of pain ever felt in the whole universe.

Reasonable idea however that is still enough to invalidate the existence of universe.

>Pain is just nerve signals.

This is what causes pain, but it's not what pain is.

>All abominations are defective love, selfish love. In a way, things are better than we imagine.

While in a way I want to believe we're turning to /fringe/'esque ideology here. I've once seen one of these people claiming even if he'd let's say go postal and start killing everybody he wouldn't see it as something God did not allow. He could do it so it was ok with God in his estimation.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/25/15 (Sat) 10:40:25 No.710

>>703

>I can't imagine God as anything short of omniscient.

He still is, but God has the ability of making things in such a way as to give us responsibility. Omnipotence makes it so that He can limit Himself for us. That's exactly what He did with the Incarnation. He became one of us puny humans and limited all His powers as He did so. This ability of God is probably what enabled the existence of Creation, and further, it is what enabled our salvation.

One of Little Faith !!EmXaPcEUcU 04/25/15 (Sat) 10:45:50 No.712

>>703

>Omniscience does not exclude free will.

Indeed, but it is arguable whether goodness survives the combination. If, before you make someone, you know he's going to rape someone else, and nothing can change that, then it is very arguable whether you remain a good God. If the future is already known by God, then He cannot escape His own responsibility. Sure, it's yours first, but if God knows 100% what you will do, as clearly as when a tree is falling on someone, and you do nothing, it becomes your fault too.

In order for God to remain good, there must be a way for us to change our minds whenever, in ways that cannot be predicted. This way we are free and God is good.

Besides, every Marian apparition confirms this view, as Mary announces things that may happen if we don't change our ways and such, and most of these things didn't happen. There'd be no sense in this unless the future could change.

See the future as an extension of the present, which it is, but never forget that the future doesn't exist. It's only projected present, but it doesn't exist. God can't know of things that don't exist, by definition.

Anonymous 09/14/15 (Mon) 07:26:31 No.6223

bump

>>619

>hat are some of your unusual beliefs as a Christian?

>as a user of /christ/

Anonymous 09/17/15 (Thu) 02:38:36 No.6268

>>619

>Having read pic-related, and various documentaries, I would not be shocked at all if it turned out that we live more than one lives. I can't say I found evidence in the Bible that we are limited to one.

Here's some evidence for you.

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-27.htm