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I have mix feeling about them since while I disagree with their approach and basically saying you be anything and have everything if you just give me money.

I do think that many non Christians have become christians thanks to them, and then they hopefully find a more mature theology.

I'm sure many of them are sincere in their beliefs, though many more are likely just doing it for the moneys, like Joel Osteen.

Televangelism is the natural consequence of theology that denies the importance of ritual, tradition and ceremony, as well as community. If only the message and knowledge of Jesus matter, and that's all you need, why not just broadcast it to as many people as possible via TV?

Comfort might be the key here. Its simply easier to watch these things from the safety of your own house than it is to go to church and interact with people, and have judgement and expectations placed upon you by others. And again, what's the use in that, since the message is everything?

I think Televangelists will exists wherever Protestantism exists. That of course means mostly America and Latin America, though I'm sure there's a few in Europe as well, though likely outnumbered by Muslims, Catholics and the predominant group: Atheists (regardless of their "cultural faith). They'll rise up in China soon as the government lets off, and they are already pretty potent in Korea (the lower one).

>>6488

>Why are they so big in the US but nowhere else?

Deeply religious country, divided geographically leaving isolated communities, access to far-reaching communications. They were radio evangelists first.

But none of this means televangelists are evil, they're just evangelists who use television. Some of them can be quite based. Some can be hilarious (vid related). And some can preach that diabolical prosperity gospel because they're simply in it for the money. (I'm looking at you, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, et al.)

Funny story, that is basically the only video of Gene that I can find. Which is a real shame since, despite his antics, he had some very good Bible teaching, and really knew his stuff, throwing the original Greek here and there. Apparently his wife – who took over his pulpit; yeah, don't get me started – has exorcised him from the internet.

>>6523

>Werner Herzog

It's such a shame that movie isn't about art any more but politics, because Herzog, that still was art

>>6525

Talking about him, what do you think of this piece of his friend Kinski? Not sure if any germanophones here though.

In my opinion he is such a tragic figure :^(

If only he had used his great abilities for good and not just for rotating around himself. The play itself is rather good contemporary art tbh

Not exactly classical televangelism, but I think that such stuff is important more than you think. Art, theater, the inteelegenzia they have to concern themselves with the gospel too and where it happens we should encourage it imo

>>6525

> isn't about art any more

Not sure I follow what you mean?

>>6527

I have the feeling that "modern art" does not concern itself with aesthetics or beauty or creation (!) anymore, but just with repitition of already established "correct" opinions and ideas.

There is this lack of braveness in modern artists.

>>6528

aaaaahhhhhhhhhh

thus the reference to the real artistry of Werner.

I always remember him saying that to be a filmmaker all you need is a camera and a few thousand dollars. Go for it, he encouraged, go make movies!

He is definitely of a dying breed. I also recall him being shot and then be all like, "Yeah, no big deal, let's keep interviewing". My German Grandfather was similarly made of tough old boots.

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Wait just a cotton-pickin'-minute here!

Seven posts on /christ/ within an hour?!

Is… is… is it the apocalypse?!

Or is the devil wearing mittens?

Or are the hotpockets on /christian/ doing brisk business with the banhammer?

>>6528

I disagree.

Modern and postmodern art its one of the most creative *creation* type there is.

>>6530

The pope is in the US, the time is near

He might show his true reptilian skin any time now.

>>6529

> Go for it, he encouraged, go make movies!

I never tried now that you say it :^)

Maybe I will.

I am really thinking about writing a book though. I am just not sure why, because I would not publish it. Art for art's sake, is it really an empty phrase?

>>6530

>Seven posts on /christ/ within an hour?!

When this all started we used to have 100 posts per day.

>>6531

>Modern and postmodern art its one of the most creative *creation* type there is.

Share some good art you like :^)

It reallydepends on definition, what is modern and contemporary? I already posted Kinski's Jesus Christus Erlöser, then there would be "Jedermann" about 100 years old which is great too.

But those are exceptions to me.

>>6536

>Jedermann

I'm afraid I don't understand many of those words (I think I should surrender thinking I can hear and understand German. Then again… this IS southern German…)

Concept is based though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyman_%28play%29

Reckon it would be entertaining in a language I understand.