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“The world does not need more Christian literature. What it needs is more Christians writing good literature.”

– C.S. Lewis

Something I agree with wholeheartedly. No one can distance themselves completely and utterly from their faith, so instead of writing about faith, more Christians should just write. Their faith will seep through.

Watching this thread to find some more authors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz

>>6565

That phrase reminded me the Luthers one

>The Christian shoemaker does his duty not by putting little crosses on the shoes, but by making good shoes

>>6559

I'm not that much into sci-fi but maybe one of the reasons is that progressiveness and Christianity are not really compatible, since we think that the world is fallen and falling further right into the apocalypse.

So christian sci-fi would be rather apocalyptic I think.

Also Christians seem in general to be more into fantasy than sci-fi. Which are not really compatible, with exceptions of course, like the warhammer universe which has a strong Christian fanbase as far as I am aware.

>>6583

> like the warhammer universe which has a strong Christian fanbase as far as I am aware.

Really?

I always thought it was mostly angry larpers who thought that if you have a lot of guns and you present your opinions are religion, you don't have to justify yourself for the violence that you commit.

>>6583

Are you the type of Christians that says believe that all chrostoan can only watch read play Christian stuff? Like mormoms?

May I remind you that the vatican have the biggest collection of pagan art in the world?

>>6583

That makes sense, and the more devout Fantasy authors may opt to write "Left Behind." But there is also a lot of dystopian sci-fi such as in cyberpunk, which is again mostly written by Atheists like Riddley Scott (Bladerunner-see video), or William Gibson (Neuromancer). And yet the sheer majority of financial support for sci-fi must be be by Christians, even though they don't actually write the most famous books.

>>6597

>Are you the type of Christians that says believe that all chrostoan can only watch read play Christian stuff?

No, but we are influencing the world and ourselves with everything we produce or consume. We need to be aware of that.

>May I remind you that the vatican have the biggest collection of pagan art in the world?

I don't see a problem with that.

>>6606

> And yet the sheer majority of financial support for sci-fi must be be by Christians, even though they don't actually write the most famous books.

Maybe in the US. I do not think that many people that are sci-fi fans are Christians although they surely exist.

It's like there are balley dancers that are not gay most likely the majority is even straight but relatively speaking it is just more likely to be the case.

>>6559

>Where is the Christian Science Fiction?

Buried as deeply as the Marxist hipsters can get away with. The writing and art community was deliberately seeded with Communist sympathizers in the fifties and sixties, it's well documented. And with them came atheism, and a general lack of tolerance for anyone who isn't a fan of Communism or atheism.

You have to look really hard to find anything that isn't Lewis or Card. They're pretty much it, as far as I'm aware. There may be others, in fact I'm sure there are. But they likely kept their faith on the down-low to avoid being ostracized from their peergroup.

This is half the reason I support the Puppies. They're trying to throw these people out of power. The Hugos have been a joke for ages.

>>6984

Talk me about the puppi

>>7002

That's a big topic.

The short summary is this. The Hugo Awards have been biased for a long, long time. The awards are given out based on the personal politics of the writers, and not the merit of the books being written. The award is controlled by a panel of Social Marxists and SJW hipsters who systematically shut-out all conservative or right-wing writers, while openly promoting each others work and nominating themselves and their friends for awards.

A Mormon writer named Larry Correia got snubbed by them, but instead of rolling over, he fought back. They dumped on him, but a surprising amount of the sci-fi/fantasy community swung back and supported him. They took on the nickname of the Sad Puppies. They said they were going to take back the Hugos by voting conservative writers in using the popular slate, and that the establishment had no right to blackball people for their politics.

The establishment shut them out, and threw a media circus over it, laughing on the conservatives and calling them names, and openly stating that nobody who supported the Puppies would ever win any award ever again. This was the biggest mistake they ever made. It caused a splinter group to form, who called themselves the Rabid Puppies. The Rabid Puppies weren't polite or nice like the Sad Puppies were. They wanted to fight fire with fire, and their ranks quickly swelled to match the Sad Puppies.

They wanted to use bloc voting tactics to ram through nonsensical nominations and make a mockery of the Hugos, under the argument that if the establishment wants to corrupt the award and make it worthless by only handing it out to their friends and personal supporters, then they'll burn it to the ground and make it a worthless award.

The Sad Puppies debated with the Rabid Puppies, and reached a compromise. They would try one more time to take back the Hugos legitimately, and if it didn't work, then the Rabid Puppies could do what they wanted. That vote was this year's vote, and the establishment shut it out by abusing their power and "no voting" multiple categories to deny the awards to anyone (from what I understand of it, anyway, I'm not totally clear on exactly what it was they did). In essence, they shut out the will of the people since it didn't align with their own.

This infuriated enormous numbers of people, and not only have the Rabid Puppies grown even larger, but they've been given free reign to do whatever they want to the Hugos. So next year's Hugos is going to be a massacre.

If the sci-fi/fan community is corrupt enough at the highest levels to bury and blackball people just for being conservative, you can be absolutely sure they would never tolerate anyone who was openly Christian. The whole reason they blocked Correia is because he was Mormon.

The Puppies are fighting for a whole lot more people than just a few conservative authors. They're trying to take back literature from the people who hijacked it.

>>6565

Does that quote mean he repented of writing Narnia?

>>7044

There will either never be a Hugo awarded again, or they will all go to "Brianna Scalzi" shitbooks. I can't wait.

Actually understanding science turns you into an atheist so it's not a surprise there's none.

C.S. Lewis is probably your reading level for life anyway

>>7074

>C.S. Lewis is probably your reading level for life anyway

>same people who say the KJV is too hard to understand so we have to learn Greek

lol

>>7074

>Actually understanding science turns you into an atheist

- Werner Heisenberg

Oh wait, he actually said:

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”

>>7079

Yeah that means your literal interpretation of the Bible is true :^)

I guess that means Hawking too because "the mind of God" at the end of his book :^)

>>7080

I am not a literalist.

>>7082

Alright then, I'm A-Okay with non-literalists. I still don't like europeans worshipping a semitic god, but that's my preference

>>7094

Neither does a universal God dislike your not worshipping Him but yeah, that’s your preference.

>>7095

Since you seem to like quotes:

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

–Galileo Galilei

>>7096

Literally said by an idiot who dogmatically taught a wrong heliocentrism.

>>7097

>he wasn't perfect so let's hold him to a standard we don't hold our own guy's to because muh faith

christcūcks are the absolute worst

>>7098

Our “own guys” (actually that would be all humans) don’t pridefully wave it in the Pope’s face that he is an idiot after being discharged (and proven wrong)

http://io9.com/5839933/did-galileo-get-in-trouble-for-being-right-or-for-being-a-jerk-about-it

But he wasn’t even right.

>>7099

>haha goy you're all christian because I say so

Hm, no. Just because it's a virulent disease it doesn't mean I'm infected.

>linking to a gawker site for validation

You're done.

Galileo's crime was that his methods of measurement weren't exact enough, something Tycho Brahe figured out in his stead. He advanced science, unlike that retard pope.

But oh yeah:

>he hurt muh religious fee fees so he must be bad

>>7102

I didn’t find the article I actually read. The truth is true even on gawker.

>>7103

Then find it before linking to some dodgy website like gawker and using that plus your memory as proof positive of your claims. If you don't understand how galileo was wrong, then it's time to stop posting

>>7104

http://lesswrong.com/lw/lq6/the_galileo_affair_who_was_on_the_side_of/

Not the site again but actually even better. I didn’t know that he wanted to have scripture changed.

>>7098

>comes into a thread

>acts like a pretentious twat

>is treated with kindness and tolerance

>continues to act like a pretentious twat

>someone loses patience with them

>"WOW ALL CHRISTCUCKS ARE SO BAD, THE ABSOLUTE WORST"

If you ever want to actually talk, feel free to come back and do so.

>>7105

Whoa he wanted scripture changed, stop the presses. Pay no attention to when the scripture was changed during the council(s) of:

Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Constantinople II, Constantinople III, Nicaea II, Constantinople IV, Lateran I, Lateran II, Lateran III, Lateran IV, Lyon I, Lyon II, Vienne, Constance, Basel/Florence, Lateran V, Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II

Yeah but your link says that Galileo was RIGHT, just that the proof for him being right hadn't coalesced yet. This is like Alfred Wegener and his tectonic plates theory all over again.

>>7108

>muh kike on a stick

Stop being so triggered you baby

>>7105

Whoa he wanted scripture changed, stop the presses. Pay no attention to when the scripture was changed during the council(s) of:

Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Constantinople II, Constantinople III, Nicaea II, Constantinople IV, Lateran I, Lateran II, Lateran III, Lateran IV, Lyon I, Lyon II, Vienne, Constance, Basel/Florence, Lateran V, Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II

Yeah but your link says that Galileo was RIGHT, just that the proof for him being right hadn't coalesced yet. This is like Alfred Wegener and his tectonic plates theory all over again.

>>7108

>muh kíke on a stick

Stop being so triggered you baby

>>7112

>Pay no attention to when the scripture was changed during the council(s) of:

Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Constantinople II, Constantinople III, Nicaea II, Constantinople IV, Lateran I, Lateran II, Lateran III, Lateran IV, Lyon I, Lyon II, Vienne, Constance, Basel/Florence, Lateran V, Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II

Literally bullshit.

>>7116

It's not bullshit just because you say it is anon.

Fantasy is Sci-Fi; look up the movies of Mr Lewis being made from his famous books.

>>7126

No it isn't. In fantasy anything goes, with alternate realities with elves and magic. In fantasy the author starts with a cool idea and then changes everything around it with little interest in keeping it grounded on what is possible. At best everything is post-hoc.

In sci-fi (particularly hard sci-fi), we start with the present technology/science, and build from that to see what the future must hold.

>>7044

I had no idea of this

Thank you for posting, what an interesting read

Gene Wolfe.

>>6583

>more into fantasy than sci-fi. Which are not really compatible

They're actually much closer than anything else. Both function in worlds with new rules/parameters. The only difference is that F focuses on what cannot be while SF focuses on what could be (with huge varying degrees, compare Star Wars to The Forever War, where SW clearly comes closer to anything in fantasy than anything else in SF).

Being Christian doesn't mean you can't imagine a world that'd be independent from Christianity, far from that. Being Christian doesn't mean you're intellectually stunted.

Gene Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus doesn't take place in some Catholic Megapolis or anything, but he's a fervent Catholic and considers it a significant part of his creative process.

>>7074

>Actually understanding science turns you into an atheist so it's not a surprise there's none.

I find more reasons to believe in God while reading science than reading the Bible.

Science and philosophy both concludes that the universe once began and must have some "creator" and that can only be God.

Everything else is hearsay.

>>7079

Two things:

1, did Heisenberg ever publish anything showing evidence for a divine being? I suspect he was talking about his own opinions/theories rather than hinting he actually knew something. If any scientist discovers the divine it would be a quantum physicist, but without evidence that quote doesn't mean shit.

2, considering his position in the german scientific community, he couldn't go around attacking christianity.

Also he never said which god.

>>7944

If our universe was created by a sentient being, that being would have to be larger and more complex than our entire universe and every natural concept you attribute to it. That means making more assumptions, and the theory that makes the least assumptions is often the correct one.

>>7943

Makes me wonder: Since you guys believe God can create an entire universe with literally zero effort, how common is the belief that he regularly makes other universes and sometimes chucks people in them for lulz? Like he would make the Star Wars universe and grab some random kid, poof him into some jedi planet, give him jedi powers and say "Go nuts! …uh metaphorically of course."? Or he' d grab some war-mongering communist and throw him onto Cadia in the 40k universe and be like "You like this sort of thing so much? Welcome to heaven, motherfucker!"?