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>>7343

Haha, the subject should be "Denominations" not "Dominations"

Oops on my part

>>7343

>>7346

Accidentally hit send (stupid mobile). Anyway, I agree with you. Mormons and JW I'm shaky on, but when it comes to protestants, orthodox, and catholics, yes we are all going to heaven. While we certainly can argue about doctrinal differences, at the end of the day we are all the church and are all subject to the great commission. We cannot let our differences get in the way of our ministry.

I don't think anyone who doesn't believe fully in faith/grace based salvation through Jesus Christ is going to heaven. Thus, most Christians are going to hell. You might as well be a jew or a muslim.

>Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

But anyone who has truly been saved I will consider my brother even if we disagree on all other doctrinal issues. Unitarianism is not biblical, if anything it's of antichrist.

Im kinda divided with the only faith interpretation. I believe its the only way to get saved tho, but I see many that thinks that just because you believe that there's a God you will be saved. And that's a lie, because even in the bible it says that even the demons knows that and they aren't saved…

But yeah, it think other people from other denoms will be saved.

>>7354

>I have a personal theory that the rules are different for Jews, but that's me.

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Yeah they're going straight inna heaven, because they are God's chosen people. Amirite?

>>7360

its not racist. Its literally true.

What does the lds says about it

>>7343

The people I believe go to heaven, display the following:

>Nicene Beliefs concerning the triune nature of the godhead and dual but one nature of christ.

>faith in christ

>execution of good works, regardless of whether they are believed to be salvific themselves, or simply a sign of true faith

>the practice of at least two sacraments: one being baptism in water under a trinitarian formula, the other being holy communion using wheaten bread and an unpasturized grape liquid

Most denominations teach these things and produce the same fruit, only diverging in their understanding as to how that fruit comes to bear (so to speak) and in the mundane forms of their worship.

Mormons, unitarians and jehova's witnesses, in my mind, are not "denominations", but rather separate religions. As non-trinitarians, they don't know christ (as christ is a part of the trinity, not a unitary being. In saying he is unitary/seperate from god the father and the holy spirit in substance, it is proof that they know him not, for if they knew him, they'd know his is consubstantial with the father and the spirit). In not knowing christ, how can they have faith in him? That is, they place their faith in a false christ. Without true faith in the true christ, where can their good works spring from?

Antinomians (including this filthy lesbian) are not christians, as they fail to produce good works along with their "faith".

Those who refuse the sacraments explicitly (as opposed to those who cannot obtain the materials for them) are not christians, as taking the sacraments is a good work that comes from true faith.

But yeah, those who meet those four points; Nicene belief, faith, works, and sacraments are all christian enough for me to call members of the one catholic church mentioned in the nicene creed.

>>7360

muslims explicitly deny christ's divinity and his death by crucifixion, and his atonement for mankind.

>>7405

>7405

how often should somebody take the communion?

>>7406

Kind of, but I would argue that since they have a great deal of respect for Him and positive feelings for Him, they aren't in the same boat as Jews but more similar to Trinitarian Christians.

Anywho, these are just my personal musings. I think as far as I know the church says its just two-tiered: Mormons and everyone else.

>>7343

I personally have had this be a spiritual struggle for the longest time. I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness, and through countless meetings it is just drilled that we are the only true Christians and that everyone else are false prophets. Around my late teens, I really did not understand why it was so mandatory to go to every meeting, when the same messages are taught day in and day out. Today, I can recognize that regular participation acts as an anchor of faith, so that you are reminded of your faith and stay firm.

But it always came back to everyone else being false prophets, and the only way they can be saved is if they became a Witness. I decided that too many people are NOT Witnesses, then and throughout history, and that it left too many people lost in death, and in JW doctrine, there was no purgatory or middleground, simply paradise on earth or eternal death.

I've never really recovered from this limbo, but if Jesus had mercy for the thief on the cross, then he has mercy for anyone who repents. I can't understand down to my core what literal or conceptual difference there is from a man sitting inside a Kingdom Hall and a man sitting in a Catholic Church. I was taught demons were in the other churches. So then did that make every place of worship a pagan den? A teacher told me I was analytical and that it was admirable and could be for the brotherhood, but this brotherhood had to be drastically extended.

All in all, I agree wholeheartedly OP and came to the same conclusion. What we disagree on is how doctrine should be learned and practiced, and that should only be through the lens of faith and the fellowship stemming from that faith. We all have the blessing of opportunity to repent and be saved.

>>7439

Are you still a jw?

>>7409

AFAIK, the bible itself doesn't specify, but the didache, by the organisation of its sections on praying the Lord's prayer and how to administer the Eucharist, I would say that once daily is appropriate (as it is daily bread).

>>7417

I dunno, I'd say that to declare the infinite person of the son is nothing more than a mere finite man is just as insulting.

>>7458

I don't know, I haven't gone to a meeting in years, and I'm not hiding my birthday anymore, but I'm not practicing any denomination now, hence why I'm here and on the other christian board, part of my research for a new home

The only thing I kept is the memorial, which I practice alone with scriptures I think are relevant for the day. I dont know if I should eat and drink the bread and wine, it was taught that I'd be judged on the spot for partaking.

>>7343

This is exactly the problem, Christians debate a bunch of useless opinions of their denomination.

READ THE BIBLE. We need more people teaching scripture, and that is it.

No christian pop songs, sermons that relate to our existence here.

Read the scripture and understand it.

>>7493

> We need more people teaching scripture, and that is it.

>>6806

>Reminder that Christianity is older than the bible and that God has never written a book but has founded a Church.

>>6860

>Tell me, you think that the bible is the essential part of Christianity, do you?

>

>How do you reconcile this view with

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>a) Christianity predating the bible

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>b) Jesus, who is God, not writing the bible when he had the chance to do so.

>>7495

> dont think for yourself

>>7354

Watchmen is the most pretentious comic book.

>>7496

Where did I say that exactly?

>>7405

>the other being holy communion using wheaten bread and an unpasturized grape liquid

heresy. the blood was spilt on the cross for all generations. passing your fucking grape drank around doesn't do shit but piss off the almighty.

>Mormons, unitarians and jehova's witnesses, in my mind, are not "denominations", but rather separate religions.

mormons are a masonic cult, jehovas witnesses are a masonic cult, unitarians are a shit. mormons shall be as gods etc. jehobos shall be as gods as well as other heresies (source exjehobo). Unitarians are a heresy upon themself, who can have the father without the son, he that denieth the son is antichrist. fuck their shit.

>In not knowing christ, how can they have faith in him?

gee ask the three who refused to kneel for the babylonians and were tossed in the fire. jesus was there with them and the only thing that burned were their chains. salvation by faith alone.

>Nicene belief, faith, works, and sacraments

depart from me for i never knew you.

counting on works, what a joke. do them but dont expect them to get you places, fulfill gods work and ye shall be rewarded. this doesn't mean rely on them.

>>7439

>>7470

go look up where the founder is buried and look at his fucking tombstone.

go look at the watchtower magazine, a literal occult symbol dating back to mystery babylon just flavored up and disguised better.

also their bibles are a shit.

>>7343

can we just call cucks for what they are? fucking apostates.

>>7350

>if we disagree on all other doctrinal issues

how do you disagree with the word for what it is. to deny is heresy. the rest of your post is solid.

for the JW excuse the blue filter, but this video / channel should help you. i feel everything you post and i feel betrayed to have been caught up in a lie for the majority of my life. Yet i am motivated to vanquish this heresy from the face of the planet one way or another one soul at a time. never give up the fight.

>southern baptist not dixie baptist

fucking mods, have some humour

>>7548

>you will not get into heaven if you drink grape juice

>#thingsjesusnever

>>7499

Nah man its some good stuff. Especially that whole one with Dr. Manhattan and the one with Rorschach and the shrink.

>>7548

>mormons are a masonic cult,

Not quite, that's Temple stuff. A lot of our superstitions come from Bronze Age semitic tribal traditions and folklore, first century adaptations and revamping of the same, 19th century extrapolations and interpretations of these last two, and some North American folk magic on the hush hush.

I'd actually be willing to converse with you if you'd like to convert me and vanquish some heresy, but we'd have to start at the beginning. No piggybacking.

>>7548

>mormons are a masonic cult,

Not quite, that's Temple stuff. A lot of our superstitions come from Bronze Age semitic tribal traditions and folklore, first century adaptations and revamping of the same, 19th century extrapolations and interpretations of these last two, and some North American folk magic on the hush hush.

I'd actually be willing to converse with you if you'd like to convert me and vanquish some heresy, but we'd have to start at the beginning. No piggybacking.

>>7548

has it been a week already

I am the jw poster, I have heard and seen the tombstone already, the rest are new to me, I will look into it, as well as everything, I'm sure you understand, it's basically back to square one like anyone who isn't. christian, I don't know half the terms used on here. Nicene creed? whats a nicene etc

Thank you for the post, I didn't forget the thread but I figured I'd wait a few days just because it takes awhile for responses

>feel betrayed

I understand, I hope I can soo. be at a level where when someone asks what would be an alternative, I can put my heart into a genuine answer, but now I am just lost

>>7548

>heresy

>from a baptist

your denomination began as one of the many so-called english seperatist rabbles. Your kind represent a protest against protestantism – that is, you're the heretic's heretic, so to speak.

Don't use that word anymore.

>passing your fucking grape drank around doesn't do shit but piss off the almighty.

Baptists hold the holy communion at least quarterly. Hell, I mentioned "unpasturized grape liquid" so as to be nice to your kind. If pissing off god is in the eucharist, then so it is in the "lord's supper" as well.

>all that about shadrach, mishach and abednego

Those three believed properly in the god of abraham before he revealed himself as triune. Mormons and j'hovies deny the triune god as he has revealed himself in the modern age.

For such a fervent hater of mormons, why do you apologize for them?

>counting on works

No no no no, you misunderstand me. Shit nigga, I'm a lutheran – we invented that sola fide stuff.

Grace builds faith, faith produces works. Works don't save, but one who doesn't display works obviously has no true faith. I agree with you whole heartedly on

>do them but dont expect them to get you places

True, indeed. Faith is what gets you places, and one of those "places" is the place that sees you doing good works.

What I was saying is that between us all, me and you (those who believe in salvation by faith alone) and the papists and greeks (who believe that works are needed) will both display good works, regardless of whether we believe works cause salvation, or faith (which causes salvation) causes works.

>>7678

It's absolutely possible depending on the circumstances to have faith without works. There are people who have been saved without doing any works in the bible, and the bible also says that those who have no works will still be saved if they believe.

>>7678

also you lutherans think one can lose his salvation so that's another difference

also the heretical papists dont own the heresy word

>>7681

How can you have faith with works? Ive read a few people that says that the act of true(tm) faith is a transformation act. And that instantly makes you do works.

The thing is that a lot of people mix believe or faith, with knowledge.

And the bible clearly states that just having the knowledge that there's a God is futile on its own.

>>7687

So mysticism is hollow and bad?

>>7688

What you mean?

>>7677

keep us updated m8

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>>7718

Nice meme

surprised i didn't find this video on here first

many interesting points made, especially towards the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaGLel1_uXY#?t=3563s

>>7355

By faith is meant believing in the sacrifice Christ made for you and that only he brings salvation. It is kinda like a heritage, if you dont believe it exist, you will not go claim it (and therfore not receive it). Faith alone saves you, but deeds are a natural concequence of faith.

>>8391

>Expecting Bible thumping historically illiterate protestants to know a thing about anything.

You will be disappointing without fail on every occasion.

>>8392

disappointed*

>>8392

Come now, let's not lump all protestants into the same basket, as we're very much not all alike.

Hell, note that the baptist your insulting is arguing with a lutheran.

We need to make the distinction more often, between the magisterial reformation and the radical reformation, and what the implications of that distinction are.

>>8415

You're right, it certainly came off like that, though that's not what I meant when I wrote it. I did mean, specifically, bible thumping historically illiterate protestants like that non, not all protestants per se.

I don't want to further contribute to the pointless hostility of this board.

>>8416

polite sage, but people parroting willful misinformation deserve to be shouted down.

one should not carry on as if they know something with certainty when all theydid was read it somewhere. too much of that around already.