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>>7391

>Could you explain to me the process of Marian intercession and how exactly praying to Mary (to pray for me) can help my case?

It works like with every other Saint. You do not worship a Saint, you ask him or her for prayers.

Since the prayers of good people are powerful it will help your case if they pray for you.

So you pray that Mary prays for you and hope that this will lead God to have mercy with you.

I'm not sure if this answers your question, it seems to me you already knew this. If so, could you specify your question?

>>7392

I will specify. You're right that I already have an idea, but its the finer points that I'm trying to understand.

The Catholic Church does believe God to be omnipotent and all-knowing, which is why it seems sort of odd to me the idea that a human being, albeit a saint, can say anything that would be meaningful to God in such a way that He would amend a judgement that He'd already made. Essentially, since God can see into one's heart and knows all, what could the prayers of another person do?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how Roman Catholicism sees God. I know pretty much every group that claims the name of Christ says that God is omnipotent and all knowing and all that, but I've come to see that its not as simple as that and they all really believe God is these things in a very different way.

>>7394

Yeah. I'm sure Jesus is really upset that I say nice things about his mother. Not.

>The Catholic Church does believe God to be omnipotent and all-knowing, which is why it seems sort of odd to me the idea that a human being, albeit a saint, can say anything that would be meaningful to God in such a way that He would amend a judgement that He'd already made. Essentially, since God can see into one's heart and knows all, what could the prayers of another person do?

In this line of thought all prayers would be in vain. God already knows your intentions and wishes, so what good should prayer do?

Keeping it simple: If you beg someone to do something he might be more likely to do it. If you bring someone that he likes into the game and he starts begging too, then it is even more likely he will help.

If you bring his mother on your side you have essentially won ;^)

I assume that it is about the same with God and Saints.

>>7410

>I recall that the function of prayer is to change the nature of the one who prays, not to influence God. Prayer humbles a man before God, and hopefully changes the man to deserve the grace he knows comes only from God.

Kierkegard, since when have you been lurking /christ/ ?

If I ask something from God, why would he ignore me?

If you have a son and he asks you for something, will you ignore him?

>>7414

>Im gonna make some webmz just 4u

That's nice, it has been a while since someone has made OC for me pic related

>>7416

>Then again, I think God in Mormonism is a little more legalistic too. Yeah, He knows your thoughts, and yeah, He has a plan for you and He knows all. He still needs you to actually say it because those are the rules, and you have to be the one to open the channel of communication before He can speak to you. unless you're like a Prophet or something, special cases.

I will ask a couple of questions about the mormon God in the other thread these days, I just have to sort them in my head at first.

The webmz r now cook'q

>>7389

>biblical

:^)

im trying up some stuff on the webm, how does it look?

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>>7440

>Mary comes in to fill the perceived lack

And thats because they do not know Christ.

>>7424

He says himself that we do not put Mary on equal footing with Jesus, they "go along". There are some paralells between them, so what? I do not see a problem.

> a person who sole prays to Mary does not know Jesus Christ

Does this mean

>if you pray to Mary and no one else you are no Christian

or does it mean

>if you ever pray to Mary once, you are no Christian

>>7436

>the montana ultramontane

kek

>>7440

>They see aspects like beauty, love, birth tenderness in the concept of femininity and worship it like people used to worship animals for their strength or whichever attributes.

What? Literally?

>They do not understand Christianity is not about the materialistic world but about the divine beyond.

I'm sure Catholicism understands a little bit about that.

>Mary comes in to fill the perceived lack, thinking she acts as a counterpart to the male Jesus.

She is not his counterpart. She is no goddess and does not salvate. They are not on equal footing.

>>7442

>Or were you jokingly implying I was Kierkegaard himself? In which case lol

Yes.

>The Good Lord helps those who help themselves, I think prayer attunes a living body to a holy goal in away that helps the individual actualize the Lord's will, should it truly be His will. Through good work we make this mortal world a bit more heavenly, and prayer is an action that transfers faith into work. Prayer allows us to maintain faithful work, whether that be physical, mental, or spiritual work. Faithful work in the Lord's name is our true service as men, and reminding ourselves of that through prayer allows us to maintain good work.

I'm sure this is true, but is only this true?

>The Good Lord helps those who help themselves

But doesn't this make prayer useless? If someone asks me for something, and I just say: "yeah screw you, go help yourself", is this any help at all?

>>7462

Which lack? There is no lack. It is not even necessary to ever pray to Mary or any Saint in Catholicism.

>video

>she is the advocate of the whole human race

She sure is. Just take a look at all the appearation.

>why would you fear Jesus

He is God almighty. We killed him and tortured him and keep messing up his plans since the dawn of time.

>im trying up some stuff on the webm, how does it look?

not sure what you are trying but the webm seems fine to me

>>7477

> There are some paralells between them, so what? I do not see a problem.

>webm

>She sure is. Just take a look at all the appearation.

Why would you need another one? Jesus is more than enough. Or is that Jesus can handle all of them?

I was trying some stuff to make the webm with the 8mb limit, and I was worried that it would make them very ugly lucking

>>7487

>>7487

> humanity sure would need more of them

I completely disagree.

>We can only hope that the rightful wrath of God will not hit us too hard.

We can hope in Jesus.

>And also Mary begs on our behalf as do many Saints.

>webm

it works for me

>>7489

>I completely disagree.

You'd rather think about that.

>>7492

>Praying to saints is dumb.

No it is not.

> Do you think god needs a saint to tell him something?

That's not what praying to Saints is about.

> Jesus is our direct conduit to god.

Jesus prayed himself. He did not pray to Jesus. Mind blown?

Primitivism right here. Also not believing in the force of prayers, that is questionable.

>>7497

>are you even watching the webmz?

Yes, except for one.

>To think that we need more than 1 mediator is to think that Jesus atonement and work is not perfect.

This is a wrong assumption. No one needs Mary in order to be saved. It is not mandatory to pray to saints in Catholicism. It is just a cunning move.

>>7509

>Yes, except for one.

which one?

> No one needs Mary in order to be saved

agree.

> It is not mandatory to pray to saints in Catholicism

Technically it is,

>at the same time also of all the saints we both honor and venerate. And whoever does not hold thus, let him be anathema

>Denzinger 655

This was established as dogma by Pope Hadrian II during the council of costantinople(iirc) IV

Do you have the new Danzinger in either English/latin/greek or spanish or french ? I can only find it in german ugh

>It is just a cunning move.

>pic related

>>7531

I was talking like some pdf or epub of it.

Well, we disagree there. I dont think the saints can do anything for you, specially influence God in any way to answer you faster or something.

I dont think we should venerated anyone besides God tbh

> German poetry

>>7549

by venerate I mean praying and talking to them like you would with God and Jesus.

>yo ceasar can yo hear me

>whats so my nigga

>could you remind Jesus to help me out down hear, apparently he kinda forgets to hear me out so I need alot of people to remind him to help a nigga out

> all denominations

>

>>7531

Reading the Denzinger again i made a booboo, it was 656, not 655

>>7549

I forgot about this thread.

another webm