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 No.7693

Why is incest wrong?

If the woman doesn't get pregnant, is it still worse than normal adultery?

And if the woman gets pregnant? Is it a marriage then? The two are then allowed to live together or not? I mean a child needs both parents :3

don't think there'd be any OP pic appropriate

 No.7694

>>>/r9k/81977

Also let's assume for a moment this story was true.

What would be your advice for this anon?

What's about the anons that encouraged him? Did they in any way commit a sin? General commentary?


 No.7698

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>>7693

I think incest would fall in with the rest of the Old Covenant Laws that are still valid because they are moral laws rather than ceremonial or practical.

>If the woman doesn't get pregnant, is it still worse than normal adultery?

Sure sounds like it since you would be breaking two commandments instead of just one. No, it wouldn't be a marriage, just having sex isn't a marriage, you need to be properly sealed by someone with the authority to do so. The child would be better off going on foster care rather than being Chinatown'd or some weird stuff like that.

>>7694

**I mean he could always have sex with her and repent. I don't even think he mentioned religion there at all. This is clearly the more "rationalizing sin" answer*

The correct answer would be for him to not have sex with her or do anything akin to it. The anons encouraging him are embracing the natural man but of course that's contrary to Christianity.


 No.7699

>>7698

>Sure sounds like it since you would be breaking two commandments instead of just one

Which?

> No, it wouldn't be a marriage, just having sex isn't a marriage, you need to be properly sealed by someone with the authority to do so.

That's mormonism. Most Christian denoms accept pagan marriages, like civil marriage.

Just not sure in this case.

> The child would be better off going on foster care rather than being Chinatown'd or some weird stuff like that.

wew

>The correct answer would be for him to not have sex with her or do anything akin to it.

He did though he claims so later on in this thread

What is he supposed to do now?

And the anons that encouraged him, are they responsible?

>**I mean he could always have sex with her and repent. I don't even think he mentioned religion there at all. This is clearly the more "rationalizing sin" answer*

But it is still a sin, even if he is not religious and does not believe in it, right?

Do you go to mormon hell for that btw?


 No.7701

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>>7699

>Which?

No fornication, no incest.

>Just not sure in this case.

Civil marriage is not the same as just fucking somebody and claiming you're married. And of course, most 1st world nations are still dominated by Evil White Christian Men, so the revolution for the rights of pedophiles and the incestuous has not yet taken place. This is an sarcasm

>wew

Probably one of Polanski's best films imo. Still, it probably would suck immensely to live with your parents if they were siblings.

>What is he supposed to do now?

Repent I guess? Unless she's pregnant that should be the end of that, although tbh fam if he's not religious there's no good reason to stop having sex with her if she's game.

>And the anons that encouraged him, are they responsible?

I guess different denoms would tell you different things. I'd say to a lesser degree probably but ignorance of the gospel+ free agency of the anon I'l refer to as sister anon places most of the blame on him.

>But it is still a sin, even if he is not religious and does not believe in it, right?

Yeah, its still a sin. How bad it is would depend on your denom like everything else. In Mormonism the sin of every gentile is lesser because they don't know Jesus, so him having sex with his sister isn't nearly as bad as I doing the exact same thing.

>Do you go to mormon hell for that btw?

Lol no.


 No.7702

>>7701

>Probably one of Polanski's best films imo. Still, it probably would suck immensely to live with your parents if they were siblings.

Polanski <3

> although tbh fam if he's not religious there's no good reason to stop having sex with her if she's game.

WHAT?! No literally, you think that? Can you elaborate on this?

>Lol no.

Fucking your sister is not that bad? lol

Maybe things are a little bit different in America, but my intuition tells me that even having sexual thoughts about my sister would be really fucked up.

>Civil marriage is not the same as just fucking somebody and claiming you're married. And of course, most 1st world nations are still dominated by Evil White Christian Men, so the revolution for the rights of pedophiles and the incestuous has not yet taken place. This is an sarcasm

But this US ruling that allowed gay marriage, wouldn't it allow Incest too?

What could be a reasonable explanation not to?

If fucking my sister is ok if no christian, is sodomy fine too?


 No.7703

>>7702

>If fucking my sister is ok if no christian, is sodomy fine too?

Let's say I have a girl and we are a couple and stuff and it is fine and so on

Is Anal ok? Or is this sodomy too?

What's about oral sex?


 No.7706

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>>7702

>WHAT?! No literally, you think that? Can you elaborate on this?

I'm saying, assuming he's an atheist, what is his rationale to stop? Id there is no God then morality is a giant spook, a man-made construct, and you as a man are free to make your own morality. If sister anon and his sister want to love each other and have sex, why not? They can use many of the birth control methods available in the modern world to prevent offspring, and worse comes to worse they can have an abortion. If people disapprove then that's their issue, but since there's no deity out there actually engineering repercussions for his actions, why should he care?

Now, if there is a God, that's a different issue.

>Maybe things are a little bit different in America,

Its not an America thing, its a God thing. God loves you so much that He's willing to forgive you if you repent, even if these things are an Abomination in His sight. This is taken to the 11th degree in Mormonism, where there is a Heaven exclusively for people who sin and don't repent, excluding the mortal sins. By the way, I don't want to talk about sectarian Christianity any longer. Assume everything religious I say has "In Mormonism" in front of it, and that's all that concerns me.

>But this US ruling that allowed gay marriage, wouldn't it allow Incest too?

>What could be a reasonable explanation not to?

The only reason it hasn't happened is that most people still have a gut reaction against it, but the laws that have been passed make it illegal for someone to deny marriage to someone just because they are relatives. Somebody basically has to challenge it before it goes "legit" though, and afaik no one has done so yet.

>f fucking my sister is ok if no christian, is sodomy fine too?

Yeah, I guess it is. Or not, if you want to create rationalizations why its not. If you're not Christian, or religious for that matter, you make your own morality so anything can be whatever you like it to be. God will judge people regardless, but ignorance and knowledge are key factors in determining how harshly you are judged.

>>7703

That's debatable. The general authorities use to talk about this a lot, and most of them thought it was wrong to do anything but benis in bagina. Some disagreed. Eventually they just said "listen to your bishop" which led to basically the same situation: some Bishops said yeah while some said no way. Since the mid 90's its been "pray and have faith", basically you and your spouse can choose whatever you like based on the guidance you receive from the Holy Ghost, and hope that you aren't deceived by Satan.

I think, just little old me, anything goes between husband and wife to be honest, as long as its consensual and not immediately or seriously detrimental to one's health, and it doesn't have spiritual ramifications. Example: if you'e a bisexual man, you should probably avoid having your wife fuck you with a strap on. If you're not and you can be completely devoid of homosexual thought or desire while doing this with a woman to whom you are properly sealed to, then I guess its fine. Again, unless God tells you otherwise. Its very personal.


 No.7707

>>7693

>Why is incest wrong?

>>7701

>Repent I guess? Unless she's pregnant that should be the end of that, although tbh fam if he's not religious there's no good reason to stop having sex with her if she's game.

This does in fact mean that incest is not wrong and that God is arbitrary.

>>7706

>I'm saying, assuming he's an atheist, what is his rationale to stop? Id there is no God then morality is a giant spook, a man-made construct, and you as a man are free to make your own morality. If sister anon and his sister want to love each other and have sex, why not? They can use many of the birth control methods available in the modern world to prevent offspring, and worse comes to worse they can have an abortion. If people disapprove then that's their issue, but since there's no deity out there actually engineering repercussions for his actions, why should he care?

Because it is still unnatural and will inevitably lead to suffering.

There is literally an incest barrier in your head, his relationship with his sister will suffer and there is no reason for it.

Also we do not know if he's an atheist :3

> By the way, I don't want to talk about sectarian Christianity any longer. Assume everything religious I say has "In Mormonism" in front of it, and that's all that concerns me.

The problem with that is that mormonism is not Christian…

> if you'e a bisexual man, you should probably avoid having your wife fuck you with a strap on. If you're not and you can be completely devoid of homosexual thought or desire while doing this with a woman to whom you are properly sealed to, then I guess its fine. Again, unless God tells you otherwise. Its very personal.

I would have never thought you think that :o


 No.7709

From the get got, its a sexual sin.

No sex before marriage.

>>7702

If the pussy so good that he did it in the first place, then m8: Existentialism at its finest

>>7703

No sexual stimulation before marriage m8

>>7706

AIDF pls go

So we should only have anal sex if Im not into it?


 No.7713

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>>7707

>This does in fact mean that incest is not wrong and that God is arbitrary.

I guess so.

>There is literally an incest barrier in your head, his relationship with his sister will suffer and there is no reason for it.

That's fine, just tell him that then. I'm sure you could convince him of it as I agree there are actual, non-myth oriented reasons to avoid having sex with your direct blood relatives.

>The problem with that is that mormonism is not Christian…

Lel then why ask me? Its no fun at all for me to give the "christian" answer, and there's others here who can do that, ask them.

>I would have never thought you think that :o

I do, don't see why not. That may actually be theologically solid within Mormonism actually, not just one of the many things that I just irreverently choose to hold in defiance to orthodoxy.

>>7709

>So we should only have anal sex if Im not into it?

I didn't say you had to not be into it, but if you're going to be thinking about the neighbor's 17 year old topping you instead of just having totally straight sex with your wife, that'd be an issue. And God knows your hearts right, so you can't cheat.


 No.7714

>>7713

it would be the same than thinking the 17 yo hot grill next door is toppin you instead of your wife.


 No.7715

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>>7714

That is correct. The principle is avoid sex acts that would cause you to sin. If it makes your mind unsanitary, best stick to that missionary.


 No.8373

simple answer is its destructive to an orderly house




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