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>>7826

>Even if it looked like a ghostly figure, who is to say that the prophet didn't think she saw God or Gods, as per the original word?

magisterium

Also plural is still used in other parts of translation, not sure in english though. In Genesis ie it says we want to create humans and so on.

This is either something in reference to the trinity or simply a plural majestix.

>>7827

That's possible for some parts, but not in the council of the Gods passage in Psalm 82:1. I thnk Elohim might have originally been similar to the Japanese word for Kami, or spirit. That would explain why all manner of supernatural beings, ghosts, and dead heroes are called elohim.

I think that wiki is self explanatory

If not, then just read literally the next verse in which she explain what she saw, Abraham asked in singular about his appearance, and the witch answered him in singular that its an old man wrapped in robes.

>>7826

God is three in one. wouldn't it make sense to describe the Trinity with a plural?

Elohim means most high God or God of the Gods. So yes, there are many Gods.

>>7841

kanye pls

>>7838

Most of these examples are from the OT. The concept of the trinity, and the holy ghost hadn't even been developed yet.

>>7861

the son is not exactly equal with Jesus of Nazareth.

Yes, jesus of nazareth was the son, yet before the physical birth of jesus of nazareth, the son (who is god's divine logos) existed.

The whole thing is laid out plainly in John 1:

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. 2 he was in the beginning with god. 3 all things came into being through him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

That is, the logos (word) existed at the beginning with/as god, and was the mechanism used in the creation (which is seen in genesis, as it is the logos (word) of god which speaks "fiat lux", "fiat this", "fiat that" and such, when things are made).

Later in verse 14 of john 1:

''and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth."

Thus, god's divine logos pre-existed the physical flesh-body of Jesus of Nazareth, yet when Jesus of Nazareth was born, he was fully the divine logos of god, bound in two natures in christ jesus, fully man and fully god.

It's christianity 101 bro, get with it if you're going to argue against it.

>>7862

Are there any passages in the OT where God says he will send his son? Or even that he will have one? I don't mean a prophet announcing another prophet.

>>7863

That's a very good question.

Early Christians were very keen on saying Jesus was the fulfillment of the messiah prophecy.

Did any of those prophecies mention that the messiah would be the literal son of GOD?

>>7863

I dont get why you dont count as valid when a prophet prophecy another prophet. OT prophesied John, and John (Elijah) prophesied Jesus Christ.

>>7864

I know the talmud says that he very specifically wouldn't be the son of God, wholly man and nothing else. The jews claim the talmud was kept orally since before the birth of jesus but who knows how true how that is.

>>7870

Isn't the also the book that Jesus is being boiled in feces for his blasphemy?

>>7870

well if you go strict mosaic law,, the idea of god and man fused together would probably get you stoned to death.

I'm pretty sure Jesus is a fusion of Hebrew and Hellenistic traditions.

>>7871

The very same. I'm not going to defend the talmud too much since it's a pretty horrible book but it's important to remember it's part scripture, part commentary. Certain ideas are proposed, discussed, and either discarded or accepted. This is why quote mining the talmud can dig up some shit that jews don't really believe in. Most jews don't even believe in an eternal hell for instance.

>>7875

The Talmud isn't just one book,, isn't it a huge mass of writings?

>>7875

Not even at the time of Christ, : the Psaducees were one of the two major Jewish groups and therein believed in hell

>>7876

It is a huge mass of writings, yes. Note that the bible itself used to customarily be published in multiple volumes, too, though.

But yeah, alot of the talmud deals with minute, pointless issues of case law throughout history, so it's pretty fucking big.