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>>7855

The Roman census that forces Joseph to leave Nazareth and to Bethlehem never happened.

When Jesus is resurrected in two different gospels, the disciples are sent to at least to two different places to find Jesus. If I recall, in one case an angel tells them where to find him, in another the women tell the disciples, and in another they're fishing when Jesus walks out to meet them. Jesus also has slightly different last words in all 4 gospels. I could look this up to be more precise, but I'm feeling lazy.

>>7859

Will the event supposedly not happening implies some interesting ideas.

That later authors inserted this story in to the Jesus of Nazareth biography to fulfill the messiah prophecy to give his teachings extra weight and that they really was a historical Jesus of Nazareth because someone made additions to his existing bio.

>>7857

>The Roman census that forces Joseph to leave Nazareth and to Bethlehem never happened.

Proof?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

The Census of Quirinius was a census of the Roman provinces of Syria and Judaea taken by Publius Sulpicius Quirinius after the imposition of direct Roman rule. It is one of two historical markers by which the author of the Gospel of Luke dates the birth of Jesus.[1]

As the census took place in 6 CE, and Luke's second marker is the reign of King Herod who died in 4 BCE, the gospel is inconsistent with the historical evidence.[2] Most modern scholars explain this as an error,[3] but the authors of the Gospels were ignorant on many points about the early life of Jesus, and both the Gospel of Luke and Gospel of Matthew put Jesus' birth in Bethlehem in order to match a prophecy in the Book of Micah that the messiah was to come from that place.[4]

It doesn't only if you're KJV only

>>7860

I made a webm abiut that.

Also, when you talk about the endings of the gospel books do you mean like the doxology? Or like the longer end in of Mark?

>>7888

5 to 30 years is wrong. It's closer to 50 years at best.

>>7889

Yeah, i think that they used the Magdalean mss as early, or the 7q5 i really dont reacall which one they used for that.

>>7890

have this one, it speciefs which mss

>>7860

regarding Jesus' last words, it never explicitly says in any of the gospels, "these were his final words".

the 2 statements that Jesus makes, that you could perceive as indicating that they are his last words, are in Luke, when the Bible says

> "he said, Father, into thy hands i commend thy spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost".

and John, when the Bible says

>When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

looking at the Luke statement, when it says "having said thus, he gave up the ghost", that doesn't necessarily mean the very second after he said those words, he gave up the ghost, it just means at a point after saying "Father, into thy hands i commend my spirit", he gave up the ghost.

my personal view is the actual final statement was the John statement, because it says "and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost". i suppose he could have bowed his head, and then said the Luke statement, but i think it makes more sense if the John statement is the final one, followed by the bowing of the head, and the giving up the ghost.