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No.

I think the thing of engaging in war has passed.

>>8003

>If the pope suddenly decided to call another crusade, would you go?

Depending on the circumstances I would certainly do so. I have to believe that it is somewhat likely to survive it though.

> Why or why not?

I have nothing to lose. Even if I died, no one would care that much.

I'm also assuming that it will have great advantages if we won, so I'd mostly do it for the pussy and other worldly honours.

I know this sounds harsh, but why would I lie on an anonymous imageboard?

>>8003

> I'm Lutheran, and even I might consider it.

>

Would you convert too?

>>8015

To Catholicism? I couldn't in good faith do that. I have too many problems with Catholic doctrine and Francis is way too liberal, almost on a heretical level. I'm a conservative Lutheran, so if I had to convert to one of the "big 2" to participate, it would have to be Orthodoxy for me. The big problem I have with Orthodoxy though is that first of all I'm Soli Scripture (like most proddies) and that I feel called to be a church organist, which Orthodox churches typically don't have.

>>8016

>and Francis is way too liberal, almost on a heretical level.

Even if he called for a crusade? What does a liberal crusade look like? Killing infidels and freeing holy lands is optional?

No.

The last time my family went in good faith to the Holy Lands at the behest of the pope, he then turned around and excommunicated them all so that the king of France could seize their lands.

Safe to say that my ancestors were Protestant before Protestantism was a thing (and went to England).

Once burned, twice scarred.

>>8028

That's really interesting! I wish I knew more of my family history like that. Protestants before Protestantism. Interesting. also, the South shall rise again, brother.

>>8027

Hence why I would have to consider it. I'd have to know he was being genuine and not using it to further some sort of weird agenda. I just really don't trust the guy, honestly. Maybe if the Pope and the Ecumental Patriarch both agreed we needed a crusade. That would be pretty convincing.

>>8044

Assuming OP is talking about fighting ISIS in the middle east:

>Just Cause

ISIS is persecuting christians, executing people, and is not providing for the common weal of their subjects.

They are causing violence and engaging in unjust war, so stopping them in the name of restoring peace is a just cause

>last resort

ISIS is not open to negotiation, and cutting their supply lines via economic sanction seems to be of no avail.

>legitimate authority

The pope is a sovereign of the vatican city state, so if he were to declare a crusade, it would be by the power vested in him as ruling sovereign of a nation.

>probability of success

Unknown. Currently, the pope has no standing army, so it would depend on who he could muster.

>right intention

overall, this is up to the pope. Does he wish to wage war to restore peace to the middle east, or does he wish to slaughter muslims for fun? This is a question only he could answer.

>proportionality

this is a question of jus in bello. Since we are not currently in bello, we cannot answer this one.

>civillians

again, a question of jus in bello. We have to go to war to see if this is met.

>>8065

JUST go full poland, they dont have isis there

why?

as long as we sack constantinople again :^)