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 No.8362

Question for protestants

Messianic here, actually dont like to call myself messianic, because so many drift into judaism.

So I give you a simple question I would like to have a reasonable talk about.

Why do you guys celebrate the "Christian" holidays?

Many people consider them pagan or at least of pagan origin. Does this not bother you?

Are the feasts fundamental for your faith?

or could you arrange yourself with a switch to the hebrew feasts of the bible?

 No.8365

>>8362

>Many people consider them pagan or at least of pagan origin. Does this not bother you?

The pagan origins of some modern holidays are not a bad thing in Christianity, but rather a positive. Think about it in the most basic, human level possible. "My God is real and so he can't literally dominate and co-opt the rituals and holidays of your false god. Suck my dick, pagan". This is why its not an issue.

>Are the feasts fundamental for your faith? or could you arrange yourself with a switch to the hebrew feasts of the bible?

They are not. And you could, but why would you? Jewish identity is not essential to Christianity, no matter how messianics or the writer of Matthew might feel. Conversely, jewish identity is not diametrically opposed to believing Jesus of Nazareth was a God of some sort.


 No.8382

polite sage

well you're right about xmas and easter being quite detached from christianity, and being more of a western cultural celebration

speaking for orthodox feasts: they are very tied to real christian events

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Great_Feasts

>messianic

wow! i was going to make a thread later on this subject. glad to see there is at least one of you here!


 No.8414

>>8362

As a former germanic pagan, I see the christian holiday-pagan holiday connection as being highly coincidental.

For instance, how many christian holidays mimic, say, thorrablot, or disablot? Following this, there are innumerable christian holidays that don't fall on nor resemble pagan holidays at all (at least, if you follow the liturgical calendar and recognize every little saint's day as a holiday).

Additionally, the pagan elements of various holidays tend to only exist in the low form of that holiday. For instance, compare an easter vigil to an easter egg hunt and you'll see what I mean.

>Are the feasts fundamental for your faith?

Well, feasts, not explicitly, but the meaning of our calendar, our special sundays, and our holidays? They're valuable to faith, albeit not fundamental.

For instance, right now, it is the season of advent (specifically, we're in between the second and third sundays of advent). What does this mean? It means we're to do in our hearts what john the baptist did for christ: make straight the way of the lord – that is, we're to prepare ourselves for the arrival of christ at christmas (of course, in a symbolic fashion, as christ has already come). This is very relevant to faith, as are all of the holidays if they're approached in a christian manner, rather than a consumerist one.

>could you arrange yourself with a switch to the hebrew feasts of the bible?

Most of the jewish holidays have a christian equivalent that is more specifcally christian (i.e. celebrates christ moreso than anything else).

For example, why would I celebrate Rosh Hashanah when I could celebrate Christ the King Sunday?

Why would I light a menorah to celebrate the maccabean revolt (something my canon doesn't even contain), when I could light advent candles to mark the anticipation of the arrival of christ?

Why celebrate Yom Kippur at all as a christian, as our atonement is in christ?

Why celebrate passover, when we can celebrate the miracle that is christ's resurrection?

I see no value in celebrating the jewish holidays to the exclusion of christian holidays, to the point that I see as much as being judaizing (albeit, I see your whole denomination as such, so it should come as no surprise).


 No.8442

>>8414

I usually make the same argument. God bless.


 No.8466

honestly?

cultural tradition. Most protestant recognize that those dates are made up, but 'follow' them because of society.


 No.8496

>Why do you guys celebrate the "Christian" holidays?

>Many people consider them pagan or at least of pagan origin. Does this not bother you?

No, it's more or less understood that they're just days to celebrate things, and that they're symbolic as much as anything. Generally only children and the ignorant believe that Jesus was born on December 25, for instance, and they agree that the Bible never really established when he was crucified, making Easter symbolic as well.

>Are the feasts fundamental for your faith?

>or could you arrange yourself with a switch to the hebrew feasts of the bible?

Christmas and Easter are. The rest are not, and while there is an admiration for Hebrew feasts, it's not within the culture to celebrate them. The most they'll get is a sermon about the story of Passover on Passover or something along those lines.




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