/christ/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>877

>Will we get banned?

The problem is we will get banned everywhere except for /b/ and /int/

>>882

Perhaps it's worth getting banned for, brother.

>>883

if you made one on /pol/ we could support you if you link to it from here

What about preaching in a game like /christian/ was doing u think that thread Is still up

>>888

I

>>888

> in a game

what do you mean?

>>890

Ike they made their own guild in an mmo and talked to other people I will link the thread later

>>911

damn wanted to get the 9/11 get.

>>877

oh I am sorry Oolf. I have no idea why you aways go through this.

>>>/christian/74616

>I have decided that board conflicts shouldn't hinder Christian endeavours

the anons at /christian/ have made it clear that they don't want someone who actually contributes, but someone who shuts up and agrees without questioning

>>911

Seriously? That's the worst place to begin. You don't begin to preach to people about God from their sin for God's sake!

You talk about God first. Only once the person is really interested and wants to change do you talk of a person's sins.

Am I crazy or isn't this shit obvious? What kind of faggot will even listen to this? "Oh, you think I'm going to Hell forever? I think I'll listen to you!"

START WITH GOD.

I'm facepsalming here.

I posted my "preach" thread on /christian/, just in case it might be useful, and the very first thing I got in response was about fapping, again.

>>919

>Am I crazy or isn't this shit obvious? What kind of faggot will even listen to this? "Oh, you think I'm going to Hell forever? I think I'll listen to you!"

It really depends on the person.

Also it is not false telling them the truth, many people are brainwashed by "Universalism" and "god is forgiving" and have no idea about the righteous wrath

>>918

At this point, I can only assume that masturbation is really fucking important to them. I could go back there in 4 months and as soon as I post anything, fapping is what they'd bring to the table, under the guise of it being my fault.

The kekkish part is that what I argue about the subject doesn't always match my personal belief and feelings, which is another matter entirely. These guys can't let go. It's all about the heresy for them.

Christianity, to me, is all about love. May someone quote Paul about the futility of everything when done without love.

>>921

> I can only assume that masturbation is really fucking important to them

They are projecting their feelings of invalidity because they feel guilty for not being able to stop fapping on you, it's obvious yes.

They are not interested in actual contribution let alone helping you. That's some fine "Christians" there yes

>>920

>Also it is not false telling them the truth, many people are brainwashed by "Universalism" and "god is forgiving" and have no idea about the righteous wrath

>the truth

Being what, they they are sinners just like everyone else? Turning to God doesn't stop you sinning. You're still a sinner. So are they and so will they remain, regardless of anything.

Again, I just don't think that's the right place to begin with anybody. It occupies no great space in Christ's mouth either.

>brainwashed

The idea that people having different opinions can only be the result of lesser intelligence, lesser education, or the intended result of a conspiracy against them is something I won't touch with a ten-foot pole.

Truth is imperfect in us.

>>923

>Being what, they they are sinners just like everyone else?

yes.

>The idea that people having different opinions can only be the result of lesser intelligence, lesser education, or the intended result of a conspiracy against them is something I won't touch with a ten-foot pole.

Modern media and universalist "churches" are telling lies to people that inflict great harm to them.

That is no conspiracy.

>>924

>That is no conspiracy.

Brainwashing is always a conspiracy, you don't brainwash people with their consent, by definition.

I'll tell you if universalist churches are full of shit very soon. From what I read, they are, but not because of their theology.

I maintain that this is the wrong fight and will do nothing good. If God didn't spend His time on earth speaking to us about faggots, maybe we shouldn't either.

>>925

>Brainwashing is always a conspiracy, you don't brainwash people with their consent, by definition.

Brainwashing takes place. Every ad is a form of brainwashing as is censorship in media / hate speech laws

>From what I read, they are, but not because of their theology.

Their theology is worthless. It is literally the most silly feel good don't offend anyone crap you can imagine.

> If God didn't spend His time on earth speaking to us about faggots, maybe we shouldn't either.

Jesus is the word and the word tells us explicitly that faggotry is wrong.

>>922

Notice how they want to talk about it but never argue about it. The fact that it is never mentionned in the Bible has no effect on them.

>>926

>Brainwashing takes place. Every ad is a form of brainwashing as is censorship in media / hate speech laws

What is brainwashing to you is information to others. I used to have to argue with atheists that Christianity wasn't "brainwashing" and I'm having the exact same conversation with you. The more things change, the more the stay the same.

Think of people as actually thinking people and think of them as responsible. It'll make everything more logical and you'll find it easier to love them too.

You can't call it brainwasing just because you disagree.

>Their theology is worthless. It is literally the most silly feel good don't offend anyone crap you can imagine.

I can't say I'd know, but probably. That said, Jews must have felt the same way about Christ's good news. I'd have much to argue about that but another time.

>Jesus is the word and the word tells us explicitly that faggotry is wrong.

Jesus also tells you that divorce is OK if a spouse cheated and yet many Churches do not accept divorce. As to faggotry, "explicitly" isn't the case. Best I can remember is something along the lines of "the old rules are OK". Those old rules also contain shellfish interdictions, later on explained away by Paul, but the reasons for removing that rule could, in fact, function for many other rules, and are, in fact, used to remove many other rules, including Paul's own rule about long hair (forbidden by Paul).

You can't just choose which rule applies based on habit or preference.

>>931

This is why I don't take everything Paul says as gospel. "Nature itself", no less. In Paul's words, there is stuff from God and there is stuff from the time period and Paul himself, a former persecuter of Christians, never forget. His views on women do not represent those of Christ, but clearly those of himself.

Christ was unusually kind towards women and included them in His following, at a time when men didn't even talk to women. It may even have been forbidden, I forget.

>>930

> I'd have much to argue about that but another time.

It is appreciated

>>933

I can give you the short version here, though, provided you don't tempt me to spend 4 hours on it tonight, as I do have a full time job.

>>934

> don't tempt

How shall I promise not tempting you?

OK, here comes the short version.

I have recently, on /christian/ before the schism/exodus, come across evidence that the original Bible said things somewhat different from what we take for granted. For this reason, I have ordered a book on the subject and I will be much more informed in a few weeks (or days, depending on how fast the book reaches me). For now, here's the tidbit.

They called it the good news. A "gospel" is a "good news", literally. Now, let's see.

>be Jew

>God is mad, you gon get fucked unless you do 'zactly what you is told

>then you die and nothing

>Son of God shows up and has a good news

>the good news is you may not just die but might suffer for ALL ETERNITY in a horrible place called hell

A heck of a good news. Sure, there's the Heaven part of it but something like this wouldn't be called "good news" so naturally by those who first heard it. Those who argue that Adam sinned for all was replaced by Christ who died for all. Many arguments around this, I am aware, and before this gets added to my list of "manifest heresies", I'll restate that I am here to discuss things, not to profess the right way to believe or even what I believe. I'm just doing research.

If Christ was going to save us all, that'd be good news indeed. Hell is no good news.

Not sure how well this argument would fare, but not well enough to stand on its own.

Press 3 if you want to hear another.

>>935

Don't worry.

Here's the other argument. It's the aionos stuff, which I got from a good anon on /christian/. It's a word we commonly translate by "eternal" even though it means something closer to "eon-like". Aeon, or eon, comes straight from this Greek word. That's the word Christ uses about Hell. It makes a huge difference whether Hell is forever or just really long (keeping in mind that other Greek authors use the word for "long" periods of times such as… 3 years).

Catholics have correctly understood that earth wasn't the only place where you could be forgiven, thus they came up with Purgatory. What if Hell and Purgatory are in fact the same thing? If those who believe in Hell as eternal do so only because we mistranslated the word, there is then no need to make up a Purgatory, as it may be Hell's function. Here's Catholic logic about Purgatory:

>Hell is forever, the damned can't escape

>Heaven is perfect

>Bible says we can pray for the dead

>why pray for those in Heaven since it's a perfect place?

>why pray for those in Hell since they're lost forever?

>therefore, there must be a state in between where people are neither saved nor damned

>Purgatory

What if Hell ISN'T forever, as Christ says? Then it works out just fine: the damned go to Hell where they get purified for a period of time, and you can help by praying for them, to strengthen them during this trial and purification.

I know it's not mainstream at all, but between mainstream beliefs and the words of Christ, I'll take the words of Christ, even if it's not what I thought it was. This wouldn't be the first time we don't get Him right away.

>>936

>>938

DISCLAIMER: this is an argument as offered during an intellectual conversation; I am not suggesting this is the absolute truth everyone needs to update to immediately short of being a heretic. These are talking points, not words of war, and not heresies.

I'm merely thinking out loud for the benefit of education. May no man cast the first stone as I don't take kindly to stones.

>>>/christian/74729

>At this point you are simply drawing toxic anger out of people because you are so disruptive, just by refusing to get rid of that stupid name. And you know it, and yet you won't stop. IT'S A FUCKING CHAN. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

The people at /christian/ are such a joke

>>936

that there will be justice taking place against evil is good news to me.

>>938

>Catholics have correctly understood that earth wasn't the only place where you could be forgiven, thus they came up with Purgatory. What if Hell and Purgatory are in fact the same thing? If those who believe in Hell as eternal do so only because we mistranslated the word, there is then no need to make up a Purgatory, as it may be Hell's function. Here's Catholic logic about Purgatory:

This is just wrong, seee here

>>672

>>939

do not worry

>>940

>The people at /christian/ are such a joke

I'm starting to think it's the same guy and probably was mostly the same guy all along.

He probably scouts the catalog, dick in hand, ready to pounce at the sight of my name.

>that there will be justice taking place against evil is good news to me.

Good point. But can forever ever be justice against the temporary?

>This is just wrong, seee here

>what if

I'm just discussing ideas. I'll know better after I get through the book that discusses this aionos stuff.

>>940

On a more personal note, how do you cope with an eternal Hell? None of my family are Christians. If I go to Heaven, I will not be happy knowing this, and yes I am familiar with this saint who said I will still be because I'll forget about them. That's not happy, that's ignorant. I would be ignorant of their pain and only happy because of it, and I doubt Heaven uses such tricks for happiness.

I do have more faith in God than to imagine my poor old dad should just rot in hell for this or that formality (it varies greatly amongst Christians).

>>943

> dick in hand

kek

I think it's more than one guy tbh

>But can forever ever be justice against the temporary?

>>947

>On a more personal note, how do you cope with an eternal Hell?

I just believe that this what will happen is god's will and therefore has to be justice.

That's why I do not tremble in fear.

>I do have more faith in God than to imagine my poor old dad should just rot in hell for this or that formality (it varies greatly amongst Christians).

So Moses rotts in hell too? I mean he was never baptised.

Not being a Christian just means that you will receive the punishment.

For some it will be hell.

>>949

>So Moses rotts in hell too? I mean he was never baptised.

>Not being a Christian just means that you will receive the punishment.

>For some it will be hell.

Put it that way, sure. I only have to trust that what is justice to me is also justice to God, to some degree.

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