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 No.8793

I've recently decided to start a project that'll be somewhat of a large undertaking: Making a complete manuscript of the bible.

Mostly I want to do this because I find the art and style of ancient bibles is just… amazing. Their beautiful.

But sadly, my modern version won't be as good just on material basis, as I want to make a true manuscript that's capable of lasting hundreds of years; which is something that's very hard to do with paper and modern inks, whereas animal membrane and ink black work best.

Anyone else ever become enamored with the idea of making something for the glory of god? Currently I'm working on my script work before I get parchment paper and paints, but if anyone's interested, I'll post picture updates and we could all discuss christian arts that are no longer as common as they should be.

> pic related, but not mine

 No.8797

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>>8793

fellow manuscript calligrapher here.

protip: don't.

>complete manuscript of the Bible

>on vellum/"animal skin"

you will spend literally a couple million dollars on vellum alone, not even considering gold leaf for illuminations, paint or ink.

also for a single scribe, a whole bible is a years long project that could take up to a decade…and that's assuming you work a whole 40 hour week on writing alone.

not trying to discourage (opposite: trying to make sure you don't bite off too much and get frustrated), but I'd highly advise starting much smaller, maybe a single gospel or epistle.

and invest in aspirin…you'll need it after a week writing folio after folio :^)

>pic related, but is mine


 No.8798

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>>8797

>>8793

also, start out on paper instead of animal skin.

I really really meant it when I said vellum is expensive…think, ~$20 per 8.5" x11" sheet. unless you have a patron who really wants a vellum manuscript, writing anything past a 2-quarrel mini-book becomes extremely expensive.

for instance, look at my john in the last post. I average about 5 verses per page. there are 16 pages in a quarrel on 4 sheets.

john has 879 verses, so at 5 verses per page, I'm looking at 175ish pages, or just around 11 quarrels.

at 4 sheets per quarrel, that's 44 sheets, and if that were vellum @ ~$20 per sheet, I'm looking at $880 for vellum alone (ink cost wouldn't be too bad…I could do 10 quarrels with 1 $5 bottle of ink). and that's just gospel of john…

so yeah, definitely start out on paper, because vellum is expensive as all fuck. literally to the point that you might as well be writing on stitched together $5 bills.


 No.8799

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>>8798

Yeah, I'm thinking heavier duty parchment paper and alot of higher quality paints. That way I don't get alot of bleed through and I can have nice large illuminations.

Just saying it would be nice to have something that could potentially last several hundred years.

> it'd be cheaper to write on stitched bills

Time consumption doesn't bother me at all, I'm actually looking forward to this being a long project. It wouldn't be worth doing if I could be finished by tomorrow.

Any tips on painting the illuminations? It's literally the only part I'm marginally worried about. I sucking at painting; drawing/sketching, I can do with ease.


 No.8800

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>>8798

> Noice script work

Yeah, I'm thinking heavier duty parchment paper and alot of higher quality paints. That way I don't get alot of bleed through and I can have nice large illuminations.

Just saying it would be nice to have something that could potentially last several hundred years.

> it'd be cheaper to write on stitched bills

Time consumption doesn't bother me at all, I'm actually looking forward to this being a long project. It wouldn't be worth doing if I could be finished by tomorrow.

Any tips on painting the illuminations? It's literally the only part I'm marginally worried about. I sucking at painting; drawing/sketching, I can do with ease.


 No.8807

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>>8800

>Just saying it would be nice to have something that could potentially last several hundred years.

Vellum only has an advantage over paper if you're using oldschool acidic paper.

Modern acid-free papers don't decay like acidic paper, and unlike vellum, they aren't as susceptible to humidity, which can absolutely wreck vellum (causing it to rot if too high, and crumble if too low).

The only advantages of vellum are that it's authentic and supposedly a really comfy to write on material.

Traditional iron gall ink is a whole nother can of worms too – it rots, turns yellow/red over time, and can even eat through the paper in bad conditions. Modern ink is superior again, as far as preservation goes.

The basic thing here, is that vellum manuscripts written in iron gall are preserved despite their materials, not because of them.

Additionally, as someone who comes from a family with a long tradition of collecting old photos, books and papers – storage conditions and care for the documents go a lot further than materials unless you're dealing with an obviously flawed media like acidic paper (old newspapers are notorious for using this sort of shit).

>Any tips on painting the illuminations?

Not really, I suck at it too.

The way I do them, is that I make a pencil sketch of my illumination (assuming it's not my marginal scrollwork, which I simply do by rote in pen), ink it with a cartridge pen, and then I paint it with a tiny ass brush with very little paint on the very tip.

For the actual illumination, I cheat and use liquid gold leaf, which is basically gold and copper dust suspended in a solvent. It goes on like paint, but does require thick paper, as the solvent tends to bleed if it's too thin.

You could do real gold leaf, but that's more complicated, messy and not something I know how to do.

>Time consumption doesn't bother me at all

Eh, I wasn't being too-too harsh on time, but moreso money.

It takes me about a week to get through a quarrel of text (16 pages on 4 sheets). That's a good $80 worth of vellum…do you really want to shell out $80 per week, for the next ten years (assuming no market fluctuation in vellum)?

Also, bear in mind that if you actually do want to take a whack at a single-volume bible, you're going to need to use really big sheets in order for it to bind right. Elsewise, you'll get a bible that looks like pic related, and if you're binding it using traditional methods (as opposed to modern glue-quarrels-to-a-board methods), this isn't acceptable (or even possible, really). That'll cut down how many sheets you need, but will up the cost because you're basically using more animal per page.

Just tossing out considerations; again, not trying to discourage.

>Yeah, I'm thinking heavier duty parchment paper and alot of higher quality paints

This is much more feasible. Parchment paper is far cheaper and easier to prepare a writing surface on, and isn't as susceptible to humidity. I'd go with that.


 No.8808

>>8807

Isn't there "artificial Vellum" made of high quality cotton? Supposedly its fine to write on.


 No.8809

>>8808

I will look that up, thank you>>8808


 No.8811

thats pretty cool op.

I like manuscripts and textual criticism but this is next level shit

>>8798

are there people that want vellum manuscripts today?


 No.8814

>>8808

yeah, it's normally sold as "vellum paper" or "parchment paper".

It's waaaaay more reasonably priced than the real deal and isn't as decay-prone.

>>8811

>are there people that want vellum manuscripts today?

Dude, it's [current_year]. There are people out there who want literally everything.

Your biggest market (besides maybe wedding invites and shit), though, is going to be jews, as the torah is only supposed to be written on animal skins if it's going to be used all official-like and all.

Look into a guy named randy asplund…he does manuscripts and illumination art for money.


 No.8853

This is real Catholicism!


 No.8854

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>>8853

I'm not catholic, I just want to make something nice


 No.8856

>>8814

can a nonjew do the torah?


 No.8857

>>8856

I don't know. You'd be writing in hebrew calligraphy for that too, which isn't something I know, so I don't know much more about it other than "jews require animal skins".




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