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 No.9281

Why didn't God preserve the original NT manuscripts? Why aren't any of them signed? Why leave us shitty anonymous fragments dated hundreds of years later..

I can't believe these texts are inspired when none of them are signed, they are just copies of copies and they have thousands of variants between them. Studying the history of the gospels made me reject Christianity completely. I can't accept any religion that absolutely depends on an "inspired sacred text" and then doesn't preserve it and the copies aren't even signed and there's no archaeological evidence to support it.

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 No.9284

Yeah, I don't know if any argument would be able to change your mind if this is the standard that you have, which is a reasonable one I would say.

Christians usually believe in "interna; evidence", which is to say that the content of the gospels themselves are enough for someone to consider them factual rather than hear-say or corrupted information. I would have a hard time believing a non-christian scholar would ever entertain such a train of thought.

Nevertheless, I think some Christians, probably most would argue that the truth was preserved, and view the gap you're thinking of as pretty insignificant in comparison to the amount of time humanity has had access to biblical texts. This is meaningless iff you're not willing to have faith in the content of the document, obviously.

>there's no archaeological evidence to support it.

I think, ultimately, there is no way to prove the meaningful things of Christianity. If the text mentions Jerusalem, or the Sea of Galilee or a particular building, so what, who gives a shit? Anyone alive then would have known these existed, it doesn't lend validity to the supernatural claims. To accept that a God exists and that this God became a man and then died, but resurrected; to accept this as a thing that happened regardless of any documentation or the accuracy of its dating or anything like that, will always be either a logical leap or an exerciser in mysticism (whatever you'd like to call it). Faith.

I don't think, from what you're saying, that having these things be signed by random men, having more names for witnesses, having the manuscripts be earlier or having some more archaeological evidence would really do that much for you. I think you want proof of miracles and magic, which is something that I don't believe you will ever get. No one can prove Jesus was God, or that he was resurrected, or that God even exists.


 No.9287

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I like this question. NT studies are kinda of a hobby for me.

Well, to start off. Having a original manuscript, which its made on vellum or papyrus of any text its unheard of.

But because NT mss transmission was widespread it avoided the "cellphone game" scenario. A mss dont go trough "a single pipe" that by the end, the original texts its lost.

But instead it went trough "multiple pipes" and avoided that.

If you think a "single pipe" scenario would have been better, youre wrong. The Quran had only one line of transmission, but its recorded that after Muhammad died, they collected and burned every copy that was not like his general wanted them to be after his death. It was literally like the Davinci code.

>NT variants.

Yes, mss have a lot of variants on them, but most of them were caused by what its known as the "movable nu" which is a greek letter. And its a big chuck of those variants.

I made some webms about it. But I cant find them right now, as soon I do Ill post them here.

>. I can't accept any religion that absolutely depends on an "inspired sacred text" and then doesn't preserve

Theres no single piece of texts thats have been more defended and protected as the Bible.

>signature

There are a few NT that starts "From Paul/Peter/etc". Thats a signature.

You have to remember that many of the writer didnt care about themselves, they wrote to state what they saw, its not about them but about what they wrote.


 No.9299

>>9281

He preserved many old manuscripts so its possible to reconstruct a original one.

For example Biggest problem is that like the book of matthew, which the church fathers wrote that he wrote it down in Hebrew(his native language) and the translators translated it as good as they could into their own tongue.

Of the hebrew matthew we just found in recent years that they even existed and around 38 identical copies in habrew have been found.

We dont know for certain in what language the most letters or gospels where written, many assume that almost all gospels and letters where written in hebrew, if that is true it means that there is not just one greek version but could ba as many as 2-3 for each letter. Now if we then accuse the books to be inaccurate because of the differencess its only because we assume that there is just one tranlation version.


 No.9300

>>9281

>anonymous fragments dated hundreds of years later

>hundreds of years later

lel

nope




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