/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

I hope he finds inner peace and starts preaching more about what Jesus preached instead of denominational bickering.

>>252335

Proties demand God white vans

Pedos demand to Satan black vans

Coincidence? I didn't thought so!

>>252335

>>252348

Pastor Anderson did nothing wrong. You are just not used to the hard preaching.

>>252371

He can preach as hard as he wants, as long as he preaches the gospel and not his perverted, vain and at times even satanic version of it.

I feel sorry for this man and his (6) kids.

he's a great man of God, you just can't handle the truth

if you hack criticisms, then back it up with scripture, instead of hurt feellings

>>252382

It irks me how he folds the covers on his Bible. Prots have a tendency to scribble all over them too. It's awfully irreverent coming from a bibliolater.

>>252387

What's wrong with writing notes in your personal bible?

I don't support protestantism but he seems more in touch with reality than most protestants.

>>252390

I treat all my books with care. It's how many of them have last for generations and will be around for generations to come. But of course it's not sacrilegious or otherwise wrong to take notes in them. It just looks funny to me when they elevate their KJVs to sacraments, yet proceed to slap them around and doodle in them like the TV guide.

He is very mocking and hostile towards other Christians, including other protestant denominations. If they're not KJV only, or they're Anglican or Lutheran, or Calvinist, or even Baptist-Calvinist. Anyone who is not an independent fundamental Baptist (and even many of them) he regards as unsaved. Sometimes he's entertaining but he's also a bit of an asshole.

He seems to look worried all the time like he has a guilty conscience.

>>252335

I'm not inclined to believe a protestant preacher, but you're gonna have to point out specific things wrong with his theology before you can say he aligns more with the devil than with God.

>>252469

What's an example of a video where he badmouths Mary? I assume you aren't just talking about saying she wasn't a sinless permavirgin.

>>252469

>The normal protestant scruples are of course inspired by the devil

>of course

There's that fellowship I was so missing.

>>252485

That, and denying her as the Mother of God, the Babylon slander, belittles her sacrifice, both at the foot of the cross and scandal of becoming pregnant before she's married, calling it a "privilege", etc.

I could probably find a lot more examples by going through more sermons, but I have limited patience listening to Satanists.

>>252487

Sorry, some things are just non-negotiable. We can't deal with anything that's obviously satanic.

>>252387

>>252390

>>252413

I have this argument with everyone on every book. But it does make me think; wouldn't it be more useful to regardthe Bible as a reference and instructional book to learn from and engage with, rather than a holy object of adulation to be protected from all defilement?

>>252459

>>252469

>I'm not inclined to believe a protestant preacher, but you're gonna have to point out specific things wrong with his theology

>His total disdain for the Blessed Virgin, for one.

Oh you wacky papists

>>252493

She certainly was privileged to bear the son of God. "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb". God blessed Mary by giving her the privilege of bearing his son. I have issues with Pastor Anderson but you seem to be mistaking not deifying Mary with having "disdain" for. Protestants show the same respect for Mary that the Bible does, they just don't go beyond that by praying to her or calling her sinless or saying she has bodily ascended to heaven.

>>252573

>Oh you wacky papists

By the way, lack of reverence for the Blessed Virgin is what the Orthodox accuse the Catholics of too, talk about one-upmanship.

>>252469

I don't begrudge Mary I begrudge people who put her above God.

>>252581

Do you have any examples of someone doing just that?

>>252580

They do?

>>252589

The immaculate conception is a big source of controversy.

>>252581

A lot of Catholics I know are like that here but there are also a lot of Catholics I know (who are also my friends) who ain't like that so…

>>252404

>>252404

http://youtu.be/Gvno5cwtNhc

>>252605

Dude is gonna flip when he gets to Psalm 136.

>>252335

He's the best preacher online right now. The pope is the most dangerous preachers, he's literally leadings hundreds of millions of people to hell.

>>252402

>>252404

autism

>>252469

pagan detected

>>252609

How come, is he God?

>>252574

do papists think mary was sinless???

>>252612

he preaches the same gospel as jesus

>>252613

>>252615

Great, yet another 1 hour movie made by microsoft sam.

>>252614

Doesn't mean he can't be an asshole.

>>252617

True, but his exclusionary view is not being an asshole.

>>252616

It's person you dip.

>>252618

The way he handles his anger on onto others that are not him is pretty much an asshole move.

Go back to r/christianity

>>252459

He literally doesn't believe Mary is the Mother of God. He thinks she was just some human vessel that carried Jesus in human "form" and thus has no special significance as being the bearer of the Godman.

It's Nestorianism in it's most unadulterated form.

>>252701

She was the surrogate mother of God's flesh body, however he pre-existed as God before her, therefore it is inappropriate to call her the mother of God. All the curious Catholic doctrines about Mary (being sinless, being eternally virginal, being taken up bodily into heaven, answering prayers, having extravagant titles) are completely alien to the Bible, because they were developed apart from it and in rebellion against it.

Why is this "baptist" denomination, and evangelicalism in general is so american?

>>252712

the son, or logos pre-existed here, but not his human nature, he derived his human nature via Mary which is why we can call her the mother of God, and why we can call Jesus 100% human and divine.

Before Mary Christ did not have a human nature or human body

>>252714

I agree, she was the surrogate mother of his human fleshly body. God honored her greatly by allowing her to carry his divine seed to term. But she was only a human, like everyone else.

>>252703

They really are gnostic. They claim descent from ancient gnostics (the trail of blood nonsense), and puritanism is really just the gnostic heresy repackaged for Amerifats.

>>252712

>She was the surrogate mother of God's flesh body, however he pre-existed as God before her, therefore it is inappropriate to call her the mother of God.

That's a non-sequitur.

She would only have to pre-exist if she were the creator of God, but she is not. A mother is not a creator. She conceived him, gave birth to him, and nurtured him, that makes her his mother in every sense of the word.

>>252469

there's disdain because catholics have this weird mother-son incestuous relationship with Mary that is more suited to a Japanese porn site than a church

>>252740

hello there Anderson.

>>252772

>You think the One Church set up by Christ is the worst?

"ye shall know them by their works"

and rampant rates of drug abuse, abortion, crime are not Gods works

>>252718

Anderson is a heretic though.

Man has no authority to pass judgments on what the bible means. But then again, protties worship men and a literal book, rather than God.

>>252740

Explain. Do you have an example?

>>252766

>Im might be mistaken, did Jesus died on the cross for your sins or Mary?

So I should have disdain for anyone who did not die on the cross for my sins? That seems a tiny bit uncharitable. I'm sure Jesus didn't want me to go around having disdain for people.

>Whats up with praying to anyone other than than God?

People pray to each other all the time, when they want favours or to borrow something or even something as simple as to know what time it is. That you should only pray to God is a recent innovation and a distinction that's almost exclusive to the English language. Just read some Shakespeare, they pray to each other all the time, as well as to God.

Brabantio (praying to the Duke of Venice):

I pray you, hear her speak:

If she confess that she was half the wooer,

Destruction on my head, if my bad blame

Light on the man! Come hither, gentle mistress:

Do you perceive in all this noble company

Where most you owe obedience?

from The Tragedy of Othello, The Moor of Venice

So I see no reason why I shouldn't pray to Mary, or pray to my friend that he tells me the time if I have forgot to bring my watch. The difference is what they are able to grant. Some things only God can grant, but others can intercede for me or watch over me, and living people can grant practical things like moving furniture around the house. And nobody even looks at me funny when I admit to praying to living people, because in my native language the word 'to pray' makes no distinction whether it's to God, a saint, or a living human.

>>252772

No, he thinks the biggest surviving heresy of the early Church is the worst, not the One Church set up by God. Silly

>>252774

That's got nothing to do with flaws in Orthodoxy theology and everything to do with living under a militant atheist regime for half a century. Look at the chart again; notice how Greece is no more or less different from the rest of Europe? What makes Greece different from other Orthodox countries?

Yep, no communism.

>>252781

Elijah is a venerated saint (commemoration day: 20th of July) in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Otherwise, why would there be Russians called Ilya?

Abraham prays with us in the Roman canon and his day is the 9th of October. And we have another commemoration on the 24th of December because he is an ancestor of Jesus.

We do not have actual feasts in the church for these people because Abraham for example isn’t really a good role model and Moses killed a man. Only some bibliolatrist would assume otherwise. The prophets just paved the way, the saints were within Christ already.

[46] And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. [47] And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. [48] Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. [49] Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. [50] And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

[48] Shall call me blessed: These words are a prediction of that honour which the church in all ages should pay to the Blessed Virgin. Let Protestants examine whether they are any way concerned in this prophecy.

[51] He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. [52] He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. [53] He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. [54] He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: [55] As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.

>>252806

that is not a nice way to talk about 2 most important prophets of the OT, yes, the ones with whom Jesus talked to in the NT

>And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mt 17:2

also about 50% of the service in catholicism is about Mary and most of the feast are about Mary (or is it Isis?), Jesus has almost a secondary role in it.

>>252813

>also about 50% of the service in catholicism is about Mary

I don't think you know what you're talking about

>>252713

I've been to a baptist Church here in the UK, and they're carbon copies of the American churches, it's disgusting.

This is why I went Orthodox!

In general, Anderson belittles flat earth, he mocks the Holy Orthodox Church, he belittles all the little religions, belittles his own christian brothers and sisters, he condemns anyone who uses a bible other than the KJV, he mocks William Tyndale - possibly the greatest biblical translator of the last 1000 years - and a fantastic biblical commentator as well.

Basically this child who has yet to make it to 40 years old, persists to preach hatred towards everyone except those who believe and live the same way as him. Hate breeding hate.

Now, I'm here on 8chan, so I'm pretty irreverent and love a bit of /pol/, but the level to which Anderson goes - well, it's full retard.

To discuss this biblically, he follows the same idiocy of going to Isaiah 14:12 and saying that Lucifer is Satan, when a few verses above it clearly states it is the King of Babylon, and then when bibles don't have Lucifer in the verse (it means light bringer or shining one, has been used to name someone who brings a torch to light the lamps) and translate it as Morning Star, or Shining one in terms of derision, he calls them NWO bibles because Jesus calls himself the bright morning star in Revelation.

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Basically if you study the bible, you can figure this out yourself, if you listen to Anderson you will believe that all modern bibles are evil, and that any bible before the KJV is inferior. His preaching is inferior, it's unedifying, it's opinions mixed with biblical twisting. Theres this fashion at the moment of 'exposing' things, instead of growth. Now biblical preaching, it's something more akin to 1 Corinthians, its UPLIFTING, it's spiritual guidance, it's not weekly criticism of other religions, or lifestyles.

Yes homosexuality is undoubtedly a sin, but why is Anderson focusing on it, and convincing others - CHRISTIANS - to call them faggots and sodomites, and talk about then NEVER getting saved. What rubbish.

He's a danger because his gospel is massively exclusive, it says believe this SPECIFIC subset of doctrines, doctrines no one has believed until he started preaching, ONLY read a bible published 1500 years after Christ ascended, and if you read any other you're unsaved, if you don't "think as I do" then you're unsaved.

so on and so forth.

I spent a couple of years listening to him, he's definitely charismatic, and believable. However he has a real habit of causing his listeners to be depressed, because he is so negative, he brings down those around him, and he makes them miserable. He is a total narcissist, and definitely a cult leader.

>>252813

>also about 50% of the service in catholicism is about Mary and most of the feast are about Mary (or is it Isis?), Jesus has almost a secondary role in it.

As a former Roman Catholic, I can assure you that there is ONE prayer in the catholic Canon, but more than that it is a call to intercession,

I'm sure you've heard it before "Hail Mary full of grace…"

thats far less than 50%

Even in the Orthodox Church they have their own Haily Mary, and the feasts I can only think of one, the feast of the Theotokos

>>252816

Exactly. He lacks subtlety. Typical of american "pastors".

>>252821

Yes, and often they're not pastors, but preachers - and the two are very different jobs, wish they would realise that.

Of course it's all about vainglory. Theres a reason that Orthodox sermons rarely exceed 15 minutes. Takes the focus of the pastor and keeps it on God. - AND it follows a liturgy

>>252822

okay, one church started 2000 years ago, at the feast of pentecost, liturgy, canon, established over a few hundred years, church councils etc confirm and adapt doctrine to ensure it is correct and in agreement with early church beliefs, church even schisms due to doctrinal differences with the west.

in the 16th century a few priests decide that the RCC is wrong, however try to establish contact with the above church in order to maintain appear credible. Said church tells them to stop contacting them due to their doctrines being so messed up.

Protestantism becomes established in the west, and by 2016 has 30,000 denominations.

Then dains to criticize the Orthodox who have not altered in over 1000 years.

Anderson is a liar and a heretic from the pit of hell.

>>252813

>about 50% of the service in catholicism is about Mary

Kek. The only thing about Mary in the Mass at my parish is the consecration to Mary right at the end of the Mass, and that's because my parish is dedicated to Our Lady of Aparecida.

>most of the feast are about Mary

There are 365 days in the year. Mary has 11 feast days.

> Jesus has almost a secondary role in it

Kek. Bro, the only reason Mary is relevant is because of Jesus.

>>252837

>Kek. Bro, the only reason Mary is relevant is because of Jesus.

indeed that is why rosemary is 90% mary praying

>>252841

"Hail Mary (1), full of grace. Our Lord (2) is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus(2). Holy Mary (1), Mother of God (2), pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."

(1): 2 mentions of Mary.

(2): 3 mentions of God.

So, the Hail Mary makes more references to God than to Mary herself. If you add that to the fact that a full rosary (20 mysteries) comprehends 20 Our Fathers and 20 Gloria Patris, and only one Hail Holy Queen, plus 20 optional O My Jesus, one can see that the Rosary is all about God.

>>252842

>one can see that the Rosary is all about God.

yeah that is why they are called hail Mary? and statues and processions about Isis are all over the place

>>252843

Here is the Orthodox Version:

Mother of God and Virgin, rejoice!

Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

For thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.

>>252843

>statues and processions about Isis are all over the place

>about Isis

:^)

And what is the problem with images and processions?

>>252715

She gave birth to God

Is she not The Mother of God? It sounds like a lofty title, and thats the point. Now she isnt the Mother of The Father, just Jesus Christ The Son. Catholics know that. But they praise her as The Mother of God, bwcause she gave birth to Him, and she deserves it, being clean enough to be the vessel. As a soon to be Catholic, its one of those things i cant help but think Prods ge their panties in a bunch over, with it being such a harmless thing. I look back to history and can imagine the frantic fanatics freaking out over normalities such as that one. I say this with no venom, brother.

>>252854

This. No catholic will ever say that Mary actually created God. Instead, the title "Mother of God" is a recognition of the fact that Jesus is God. When we call Mary the Mother of God, we are affirming the divine nature of Jesus.

>>252859

>Instead, the title "Mother of God" is a recognition of the fact that Jesus is God. When we call Mary the Mother of God, we are affirming the divine nature of Jesus.

Ok, but you would agree that the title "Mother of God" is a bit…pretentious, especially for a women that called herself "Gods servant" in Luke 1:38

>>252887

Isnt it pretentious to call the scriptures "Holy", especially since it was written by men simply inspired by God, but not actually dictated by an Angel?

- A Muslim

Thats what you sound like to people pertaining to orthodox views (Catholics, Orthodox, and whoever else). You will demand that it's ridiculous, but it really isnt. Theyre both the same argument, they simply argue for completely banal causes/opinions.

>"Can't call it Holy, even though it is, and holds the foundtions for our beliefs, and many of our prayer, it's simply too much."

>"Cant call her the Mother of God, even though she was, and was pure enough for it, it's simply too much."

>>252887

>the title "Mother of God" is a bit…pretentious, especially for a women that called herself "Gods servant"

non sequitur

>>252813

http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/missa/missa.pl

Enjoy the mass text

>>253155

>but scriptures are holy, Jesus himself treated them as holy, so did all the prophets. Calling them Holy is correcct.

I think, since you didn’t get his point, maybe you should also not pretend you can understand the bible.

>She is "Mother of Jesus from Nazareth", equating those two titles shows a deep misunderstanding that is a good basis for widespread idolworshiping.

Nestorius, pls…

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3810.htm

By your lack of philosophical reasoning, you’re plainly too dumb for Christianity; just uninstall Dota already

>>253155

>Like I said before, the title "Mother of God" is not correct, since she hasnt created God. She is "Mother of Jesus from Nazareth", equating those two titles shows a deep misunderstanding that is a good basis for widespread idolworshiping.

The reason Mary is called the theotokos or God-bearer is because she bore and gave birth to God incarnate, who was both fully divine and fully human at the same time. To suggest she was just the bearer of a person called Jesus of Nazareth is to say she didn't give birth to the fully-divine nature of Christ, which is essentially Nestorianism since it implies that the Jesus of Nazareth of the Gospels (who is portrayed and acted as a human in them) is just the human "host" of God the Son, rather than being God the Son himself.

Make no mistake, the Incarnation is THE central doctrine of Christianity. It's mystery of how He condescended Himself into human form whilst fully retaining his divinity is what makes Christianity Christianity, and not just just pseudo-Islam that worships a God who "appeared" human.

>>253155

Oh, btw, when will you start being intellectually honest and admit that you are wrong once proven wrong instead of just moving the goalpost.

>>253166

>start being intellectually honest and admit that you are wrong once proven wrong

I would gladly, if you show me where that was?

>>253167

" from now on all generations will call me blessed"

The "hail Mary prayer" is just calling her blessed, venerating her, like the angel did…

"And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

>all deserve just the same respect if not greater, why isnt there a procession for them?

they didn't give birth to the saviour of the world, and nurse him and nurture him.

They didn't accept the holy spirit to impregnate them.

Mary is unique and blessed among all humans. Second to Jesus.

>>253167

>She could have created another God then? you probably believe she hasnt had children after Jesus, Im OK with that, but theoreticall, if she did, would have they all been as Jesus?

I'm only newly Orthodox, and I haven't read enough into Orthodox doctrine on the perpetual virginity of Mary, but I'm open to the idea that she wasn't a life-long virgin and is only considered worthy of respect due to the virgin nature of her pregnancy of Jesus. That being said, I'm going to have to say that no, Mary couldn't have created another God, because it was not her decision to bear Him in the first place. Even if she somehow DID give birth to another "God," it would've been at the bidding of God and not herself, which although it would've created a completely different religion to the one we have today, it would've been the divine will of God for whatever reason He had to make it so she gave birth to two "gods."

>>253171

>Mary is unique and blessed among all humans. Second to Jesus.

Who is the greatest of Gods servant is up for debate, Mary has very important role and she was chosen for a reason, but she is not the godbearer as John clearly states

>The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

>who came from the Father

>>253174

… the holy Father conceived Jesus in Mary's womb. I don't see how this contradicts Mariology at all

>>253174

>who came from the Father

Jesus is also of Mary's seed, his human nature is a big deal for us, not just his divine nature.

>>253179

>John pretty directly demonstrates that Mary is not the Godbearer

Care to elaborate? I'm not doubting your sincerity, I'd just like to know where this claim is coming from.

>>253167

> it is semantically correct but not theologically

It is theologically correct. Mother = the one who gives birth. If Jesus is God, and Mary gave birth to Him, Mary is the Mother of God. End of the story.

>Moses, Elijah, Apostole Paul, John, Peter, Izaiah, Daniel…all deserve just the same respect if not greater

No, they do not. All the other saints deserve respect, reverence and veneration, but Mary is one tier to them.

Mary was sinless, eternally virgin and she gave birth to Christ. No other saint has all these qualities.

>if she did, would have they all been as Jesus?

Of course not, retard. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. If Mary were to have other children, they would've been conceived by Joseph and therefore they would've been mere humans.

>>253209

Catholics will never get it.

>>253206

>Mary was sinless, eternally virgin

and why is that so important to you? Isnt JESUS the Messiah what christianity is all about?

Why is it important to Mary to stay virgin? Even if she hasnt stayed virgin after the birth of Jesus, how does that change the fact that Jesus died for your sins?

>>253217

>John 1:14 in no way demonstrates that Mary is not the God-bearer.

It clearly does demonstrate it.

>"came from the Father" does not exclude the possibility of a mother.

it does not but it exclude th possibilty of a Godbearer.

>If anything, you seem to be implying that Mary didn't even give birth to Jesus,

incorrect, Mary gave birth to Jesus as the Bible clearly teaches

>since "came from the Father" absolutely demonstrates that Mary is not the God-bearer.

If God is the one who was who is and who will be, and the one who simply is (Jahwe = I am), then it is clearly wrong for that God to have a "Mother".

>>253214

Mary was the mother of the human nature of Jesus, not the divine

Mary could have been an aborigine, it wouldn't have made a difference. she is an irrelevance, something Jesus even attested to at the end of Matthew chapter 12

>>253224

>she is an irrelevance, something Jesus even attested to at the end of Matthew chapter 12

Nice way to twist scripture around.

And I recommend you at least take your time to read the contents in >>253214 before you proceed with your shitposting marathon.

>>253229

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/isnt-calling-mary-the-mediatrix-of-all-graces-contrary-to-the-doctrine-that-jesus-is-

>>253239

>JESUS aka THE MESSIAH is exclusive, one person died on the cross and one person only,

So you're going to dismiss the Bible? Is this how you act? When the Bible helps you, it is all good, but when it goes against you just disregard it?

The greek text is clear: Jesus the PRIMARY, FIRST, mediator. He is NOT the ONLY mediator.

>>253239

>only a few reference to the Bible as one could expect

You don't need a lot of references to the Bible when the logic is correct.

>praying to dead people is pure wickedness i.e. necromancy

The problem is, they're not dead. They're alive and in heaven.

>>253239

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/praying-to-dead-folks

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/are-catholics-god-makers

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/friends-in-high-places

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/one-mediator-between-god-and-men

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/any-friend-of-god-is-a-friend-of-mine

I'm not really going to defend him, but it's a bit weird to get mad at Anderson. As far as Protestants go, he's pretty sound. He has eccentricities but he doesn't believe in dumb shit like pre-trib raptures and he's not a dispensationalist. I can name a hundred famous Protestant pastors spreading worse bullshit than Anderson.

>>253240

>he greek text is clear: Jesus the PRIMARY, FIRST, mediator. He is NOT the ONLY mediator.

if another person who is not dead prays for you that is OK but that doesnt put them in the place of the Messiah (=the one who forgives sins). the Bible, from Moses, to prophets to John, Peter, Paul and Mark clerly says THERE IS ONLY ONE MESSIAH ONE PASHAL LAMB

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>>253241

>You don't need a lot of references to the Bible when the logic is correct.

logic is horrible, finding only 2 referenced out of the whole Bible is shamefull

>The problem is, they're not dead. They're alive and in heaven.

Moses, Elijah and Enoch and Jesus - yes, rest of the people arent mentioned.

>You don't need a lot of references to the Bible when the logic is correct.

Its horribly incorrect and inconsistent. Nobody in Jesuses time prayed to Elijah, Abraham, Enoch or Moses, praying to "saints" is a custom that came out of Roman pagan religions not Christianity.

>>253248

>Nobody in Jesuses time prayed to Elijah, Abraham, Enoch or Moses

That's because there was no one in heaven in Jesus's time. And can you learn to use the goddamn apostrophe? It's "Jesus's" not "Jesuses".

>praying to "saints" is a custom that came out of Roman pagan religions not Christianity

[citation needed]

>logic is horrible, finding only 2 referenced out of the whole Bible is shamefull

And yet you can't find one single reference in the Bible about sola scriptura.

>but that doesnt put them in the place of the Messiah

And who said it puts them in place of the Messiah? I guarantee you, no catholic ever said that we should put the saints in place of the Christ.

>rest of the people arent mentioned

And?

I'll tell you again: GO READ THE GODDAMN ARTICLES INSTEAD OF SHITPOSTING HERE!

>>253258

>Yes there was, Moses and Elijah at least

Proof?

>>253260

>Proof?

if you dont want to read the Bible, I wont make you do it.

>>253258

>nice Godly language you got there…

>mommy people are saying bad words!

>>253263

?

Jesus knew his Bible quite well…if you havent read it you should be here

>>253262

jokes on you, I havent cursed God here

>>253268

>You simply used the "i won't make you do it" argument so that you don't need to provide the evidence for your statement.

have you even read the Bible cover to cover? Do you not know in what way Enoch, Moses and Elijah died? Do I need to explain or quote something as basic as that?

>>252335

Two easy religious ways:

-Call him out on pride of Sin, which he obviously has

-Say he mistakes Sin for Courage

-Say that he is too eager to cast the first stone, does he think he is sinless?

>>253570

Semantics, Jesus had access to sacred scripture which he read and quoted, no matter how much Catholics like to claim they invented it.

>>252402

Pastor Anderson thinking that repetition is Paganism is so obnoxious. Its like hes literally never listen to a song with a chorus and looping beat/instrumentation before.

>>253592

He's talking about repetition in prayer, which is condemned in scripture. God heard you the first time. Droning on and on vainly with the same words will not help your prayer get to God's ears any quicker.

>>253594

For fucks sake, he won't even say the Lord's Prayer because Jesus already said it and he thinks he's not allowed to repeat it!

>>252843

>why they are called hail Mary?

Because the angels hailed to Mary

You read Luke right?

>>253621

>battalagesete

>means [stammer, and all of that other stuff you said]

technically, it has no confirmably known meaning at all. it's a hapax legomena, consisting of "battos" and "logeo", with battos having no confirmed meaning (assumed to refer to king battos of Cyrene, a stammerer) and logeo being related to "logos" – word.

it obviously doesn't refer to repeated prayer, as Christ repeats as you've shown, but battalogeo cannot be said to actually have a known meaning. just pointing it out.

>>253621

>Most importantly, we have Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, in Mark 14:32-39:

>Jesus praying for hours and hours

>disciples fall asleep

wow lol

>>252469

PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO CONSIDER THE DOCTRINE OF CATHOLICISM

>>253897

>inb4 BUT ANDERSON!!

Anderson is actually a stubborn heretic. I was taken in for a time as well, and much of his videos are actually very good, but fundamentally he is a heretic

Watch this and see.

If it's too long for you, skip to 2:21:00 and watch to the end.

https://youtu.be/xJrptikLjq8?t=2h21m1s

If that's still too long (only ten minutes, dude), skip to 2:25:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJrptikLjq8&feature=youtu.be&t=2h25m34s

HE BELIEVES JESUS BURNED IN HELL

>>253898

he's basically turned the KJV into an idol without realizing, that's why he's agitated all the time over "muh doctrines" and "muh translations"

>>253903

Exactly.

>>253898

>Hades =/= Hell

So Hell is strictly for those cast down after the final judgement and Hades is a more Sheol-like realm of gloom and restlessness (but not active torture)? I've never heard this distinction before. Could you elaborate? Who goes to "Hades", is it just a waiting room for actual Hell, etc?

>>253266

>>253575

>Jesus knew his Bible quite well

>Semantics, Jesus had access to sacred scripture which he read and quoted, no matter how much Catholics like to claim they invented it.

>Implying Jesus had access to the New Testament

>Implying that the bible existed first before Jesus came to earth

Protties are now denying hard historical facts.

So, combined with Anderson, have we now really seen it all?

>>254002

p1 Jesus is God

p2 God is omniscient

p3 an omniscient being would have access to the new testament

c therefore Jesus would have access to the new testament

>>254003

>basing an entire doctrine on 1 parable from 1 gospel

>>254004

>an omniscient being would have access to the new testament

>therefore Jesus would have access to the new testament

True, He is omniscient, doesn't mean he used the bible.

Where does Jesus quote Himself?

>>254008

It's more accurate for that anon to have said

>p3 an omniscient being would have access to the wisdom of the new testament

>c therefore Jesus would have access to the wisdom of the new testament

It's silly to think Jesus had the New Testament, or that any of the apostles did either. Scripture is indeed from God, pure and sound, but what we hold in our hands did not exist in the beginning–rather, the wisdom of the Holy Spirit which led to its creation did.

>>254008

I have the slight impression that you're trolling. Either that, or you're absolutely retarded.

>>253898

at 2:22

James White-stone confirmed kike Judaiser. No wonder he gets so much media attention.

>>254107

What specifically are you talking about?

I like his work but he's a Calvinist and his recent radio program bits on Islam have been infuriating to me so I stopped that. But his debates are all really air tight as I've seen.

Anyway, you shouldn't follow any man the way we follow Christ, and no man's words are comparable to Scripture. You can learn from theologians but they must kneel to the truth of Scripture first, and even then what you learn from them must be tested against Scripture at all times.

Aside from that, I don't know anything about his political affiliations.

All that said, he's not a Judaiser as I've seen and even calls them out on it. So what gave you that impression?

>>254109

Sorry brother, Im referring to the video 2:22:22

Pastor Anderson calls mr White out on Judaic scriptures and Mr White pretty much… Rage Quits

What is mr Whites position on zionism anyways? I'll have to research that a bit. >>254109

>>254449

There's nothing at 2:22:22.

>>252335

I don't think you are going far enough Christbro. Anderson is an Anti-Christ and he is leading everyone who follows him straight to he'll.

>>254989

*hell

>>253206

> If Jesus is God, and Mary gave birth to Him, Mary is the Mother of God.

Yet Jesus created Mary. How can a woman give birth to her creator?

I can't find many things I disagree with him about. Nobody is perfect.

>>257609

Technically, Mary's parents created her. This precedent was set all the way back in the beginning. When God created man, He said to go forth and multiply. If God were creating all men, then He would have never made that commandment,

>>253897

>Posting a cuck who defends muslims

you should all be aware that he is about to release a new documentary this year; on the new world order; which obviously includes his exegesis on revelation.

its set to be his most popular since marching to zion, due to its subject matter.

i emailed him showing the wonderful chris white's study on mystery babylon / the whore etc. he did respond! but unfortunately said he was already aware of this study and that jerusalem was his least likely candidate.

to be clear: he believes america to be mystery babylon.

he released a series of sermons (that will no doubt appear in the film) late last year - around the same time he (finally) attacked brother nathanael and the orthodox church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGE8GBQ9cuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqDDUglhD78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE2NmIB-ToU

>>257609

>>257624

Begotten. Not "created".

Mary nurtured and developed Christ's body. Not His Godhood.

>>257635

Defending the difference between Muslims and Jihadis is good.

Defending Islam in any fashion is terrible.

The issue James White has is one of defending both, because as smart and insightful as he may be, he is also terribly troubled by a chronic case of "I'm an academic" itis.

Here's a decent video using fact to admonish him on this regard.

However, unlike what the person who made the video says, none of this detracts from the valid points James White makes, and most certainly they do not effect his good work regarding Catholicism.

>>257635

>>258634

What I mean is that making sure people know that not all Muslims are jihadi filth is good, but defending Islam in any way by saying "Islam is not ISIS" is purely detrimental and foolish.

the Bible says not to judge other Christians, different things can be acceptable for different people

Romans 14

>>257609

>How can a woman give birth to her creator?

Isn't that part of the miracle

>>252818

We actually have four great feasts reckoned as "feasts of the Theotokos": Nativity of the Theotokos, Entrance of the Theotokos in the Temple, Annunciation to the Theotokos (also reckoned as a feast of Our Lord), Dormition of the Theotokos.

I realize this doesn't help the argument, but we gotta be honest here.

>>252402

>>252404

>Eastern prayer

>Latin Sign of the Cross

Does this man even know who he's trying to mock? Not that Westerners don't recite the Jesus prayer, but it is still an Eastern prayer

>>261633

Caricatures. Too often do I see straw-man arguments that make me doubt the abilities of certain apologists to not engage in fallacious arguments.

>>252816

>belittles flat earth

Nonsense that discredits the faith deserves to be belittled.

>>253211

>(1)

This thread again?

Fresh off the presses, the almost unbelievably incendiary "Veganism in Light of the Bible." Someone didn't read Romans 14 well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RZ4i6DmlQ

>>252822

Seriously, Anon. If you genuinely think that the Mass focuses on anything but God then you really need to attend one.

http://www.latinliturgy.com/OrdinaryFormMassText.pdf

There is the full text of your everyday Mass. Mary's name appears thrice.

1) In the context of the communion of saints and the unity of the Body of Christ in its worship of the Lord.

2) Asking Mary and all the Angels and Saints to pray for us to God.

3)When we affirm that Christ was born of the Virgin Mary as part of the Apostle's Creed.

I don't think that's 50% of the Mass. Or 0.05%.

>>252843

>why they are called the hail Mary

Because that's the first clause of the prayer.

Same as the Our Father, the Hail Holy Queen, the Glory Be, etc. The first words of a prayer become a way of identifying a prayer without giving it an official name.

>statues and processions about Isis are all over the place

Interesting that you compare Mary to Isis. Did you know that according to the usual memes, if Mary is Isis, then that means that Jesus is Horus? And do you realize the implications of saying that our Christianity is recycled from pagan myths?

>>253155

>but if she says herself she is inferior to God i.e. his servant, she rejected the title in theological sense

"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Mark 10:45

Jesus is our servant. According to your logic, in a theological sense, God has rejected the title of our Father (capital F).

>>262300

>the Hail Holy Queen

the kings mother is not a queen.

>also praying to a dead/sleeping person

we know that those that died are asleep not interacting with us, so praying to marie or any other saint is in vain.

Matthew 9:24 he said, "Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep." But they laughed at him.

1 Corinthians 15:18 1 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;