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>>253097

>>253094

no one took the bait, so you post the lactation image

RCC

>>253098

kek not b8. im sincerely asking. i believe in Christ, but having a hard time finding community. Evangelicals tend to be greedy (Joel Osteen, etc). I see the RCC involved in scandal after scandal, though I was raised RC and agree with the theology. I dont know much about the Greek Orthodox tho…

>>253099

one of my main issues with the RCC is the idea of the Pope's infallibility. Im not even sure this is a biblical concept or one of tradition?

>>253101

Mostly traditional, but the church is protected by the Holy Spirit. Also, what I've personally heard, the only thing you can't disagree with is the church's teaching of Morality and Dogma, but I am not sure.

>>253103

ah ok thanks, anon. guess i just need to do more study

>>253105

Thanks,I am in the process of converting so I really don't know much.

>>253105

thanks anon will read

a nu cheeki breeki

>>253094

>What's the best and least corrupt Christian denomination/sect in your opinion and why?

They're all corrupt as fuck, so that tells you nothing about which is the true one. Pro tip: It's the Catholic Church

>>253101

>Im not even sure this is a biblical concept or one of tradition?

Mostly tradition, but there are some bible verses which strongly suggest them.

Example:

Luke 22:31-32

31 And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you [ὑμᾶς], that he may sift you [ὑμᾶς] as wheat:

32 But I have prayed for thee [σοῦ], that thy [σου] faith fail not: and thou [σύ], being once converted, confirm thy [σου] brethren.

ὑμᾶς: second person plural.

σοῦ, σου, σύ, σου: second person singular.

The greek is pretty clear: Satan desired to have all of the apostles, but Jesus prayed for Peter only, so that Peter's faith should not fail. And if his faith does not fail, then it is infallible. It is important to notice that this will only take effect AFTER the resurrection, specially because just a few verses after these two, Peter denies Jesus three times.

>>253197

>but Jesus prayed for Peter only, so that Peter's faith should not fail. And if his faith does not fail, then it is infallible.

>will only take effect AFTER the resurrection

WRONG, Paul had to correct and blame Peter publicly because of his error in doctrine and hypocrisy

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? …

>>253400

>his error in doctrine and hypocrisy

No. His error was in his attitude. Peter knew what was the right thing to do, but he didn't act according to it. Peter's error was that he shied away from the truth of the gospel in front of certain people. It would be akin to a Pope refusing to assert catholic doctrine because it "might offend someone".

Paul here is demonstrating that we ought to resist bad Popes, not that Peter was fallible.

Also, it was a matter of discipline, not of faith or morals.

>>253406

>not that Peter was fallible [in matters of faith and morals]

Fix'd.

Many were corrupt on inception. Only the word persevered.

>>253101

>one of my main issues with the RCC is the idea of the Pope's infallibility.

Lutheran on my way to rome here:

Even if I'm reluctant to say so, no other system besides the papacy actually makes sense as far as where derived authority is vested.

For example, sola scriptura shifts it's authority base from the apostles to the reader as soon as it hits a hapax legomena or metaphor.

And the orthodox? they're a joke, and online, they're russian propaganda. Don't seriously consider them unless you absolutely have to agree with the essence-energy distinction – this alone breaks the idiot's myth that they're simply popeless catholics.

>Im not even sure this is a biblical concept or one of tradition?

If you were actually raised catholic, you should know that they're indistinguishable.

the scriptures have value because they were declared apostolic writings by the apostolic fathers and their immediate successors. Scripture is valid if and only if apostolic succession/tradition is valid – otherwise you're literally reading random toiletpaper from the 1st century and calling it "religion".

>>253094

>best

Rome.

not even a papist. Rome, though, is very moderate as far as politics go, and that speaks volumes to me in a world of hard left-right false religions.

It also has 2000 years of history, but I won't go there.

>least corrupt.

I'd hazard they're all shit.

IMO, the worst "per dollar" is going to be among extremely independant protestant denoms (crazy shit baptists and other low church types who aren't smart enough to spot a con man). the worst in terms of overall organizational corruption is probably tied between all of the big centralized denoms.

It doesn't really fucking matter when most bible publishers are owned by news corp shell companies, though. we're very much cucked lest we write our own gospels.

>>254048

I'll take your Independent Baptists and raise you Prosperity Theology Holy Rollers. These make up the majority of tele-evangelists and literally tell people it is God's will that they ALL be rich IF they send money to the con-man.

I recall a book by two Methodist preachers in the 50s. It said if you drive by a Prosperity Theology church you can tell it by the parking lot. It will be full of really old dying cars and one really good car. You can guess who the good car belongs to.

I guess my issue with the Catholic church right now is that the majority of churches are basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxrIjE-WNVA or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3J7O4eS_ME

They are "nice" and refuse to say anything that might offend somebody or that could be considered intolerant, even if it is official church doctrine.

>>254203

I've been in 4 different churches and have yet to see this

>>253105

OP here. This is a really good book. Thanks for all of your replies!

>>254392

How can that be idolatry?

>Best

Orthodoxy, Eastern or Oriental

>Least corrupt

Oriental Orthodox, or Church of the East if you're willing to deal with venerating Nestorius and the fact that there's barely any churches of theirs around, especially in the diaspora.

>>254704

yeah the orthodox and catholic churches are the best churches if you want to worship mithra and mystery religions

hello mitre dagon fish hat, hello high priest garbs

hello calling people on earth father, hello icons and mystical rites

hands down the answer is (greek) orthodoxy

the legalistic arguments for communion with the bishop of rome aside: the traditions are immaculately preserved

>>259335

Top kek, m8.

>calling people on earth father

If Christ meant not calling people "father" in a literal way, then why did Paul call himself father in Corinthians?

>I do not write these things to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless[a] guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. (1 Cor. 4:14–15)

Try to at least see what the RCC teaches instead of thoughtlessly absorbing whatever protestant preachers say.

>>253101

>>254045

The Pope's infallibility only works under certain conditions. The conditions were never codified until the First Vatican Council, and even after that, the words the Pope must speak to be considered infallible in his teachings were rarely used by the successive Popes since then.

>>259335

oh no I've called my father father!

Judaizers LOL

definitely not rome (aka mystery babylon).

look straight away to the protestant revolution and go from there. do not be under the illusion that everything has to be perfect. but my 2 cents would be a singular church not part of a big denomination. go for independent fundamental baptists. They're all over. But a church is not a lecture hall and all preachers are going to be biased, even those following the bible. Judge for yourself the truths of the scripture.

I would say ifb is the least corrupt, and I say this because theyre always small and basically run themselves. Individual churches can be a bag of shite but others awesome. However if they have a big denomination behind them then they're rotten from the top down usually.

>>259907

yeah because reading the scriptures alone is definitely infallible. Might as well link to Gnostic teaching and /x/and tell him to figure it out himself.

>>254045

>And the orthodox? they're a joke

Care to explain your memeing? Orthodox honestly seem like way less of a joke to me than Catholics.

Baptists, literalists, Bible-believing Born Again Fundamental Christians.

People like Kent Hovind, Gail Riplinger, etc.

>>259908

Well no, there's this person called the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth. Just like those scriptures tell us. We're never alone.

Then of course theres those preachers, and the churches filled with believers who guide and affirm us.

>>253094

Most

Presbyterianism

Least

Eastern Orthodoxy

>>253101

Check out James White or Reformed Apologetics Ministry to see Papists BTHO

>>260752

how do you explain Juel Osteen or 6 billion denominations?

I'm trying to understand your point of view so please help me here, the Holy Spirit guides you into truth yet Luther made mistakes in his translation and there are many Protestant Bible and many denominations. I can't understand your doublethink, is individual interpretation infallible or not?

>>260873

>trying to understand these >>260768 fools

No

>>259847

>the Pope is infallible

>except when he is not

Romanists, everyone…

>>260767

>Orthodoxy in the Balkans

>Least corrupt