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8961a5 No.259237

You guys do know that the gospels weren't really write by 4 guys named Luke, Mark, Matthew and John, right? The people who wrote the gospels were not eyewitnesses. Also do you know that half of the pauline letters weren't write by paul? And the John who wrote the gospel is not the same John who wrote revelations and the other books.

All of this is *consensus* between bible scholars.

66131e No.259242

>higher criticism

>shiggydiggydoo.png


115c9c No.259266

>>259237

It's the content that matters anyway, like the pseudo-isidorian decretals except this is sacred Scripture.


865b93 No.259272

>>259237

>All of this is *consensus* between bible scholars.

1. No it's not.

2. If it were, who would care? Most modern scholars live in their imaginations, starting with conclusions and fitting everything to them, without having the self awareness to realize what they're doing.

It's like that in every university department everywhere to a large degree, why would biblical scholars being any different?


7e500a No.259281

>>259272

>Most modern scholars live in their imaginations

Lol. Most fundamentalist christians live in their imaginations. They pretend that all people who wrote the bible defended the same theology and that all the gospels are just one big story, among other things. Also they ignore how whole verses of the bible are forgeries (well, technically half of the NT is forgery, but let's put that aside) added later by scribes.

But feel free to ignore people who actually know what they're talking about, I guess.


c8d507 No.259286

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>>259281

>fundamentalist christians

>whole verses of the bible are forgeries

>technically half of the NT is forgery

Care to write a more elaborate post, dear redditor?


257b38 No.259291

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>>259281

Muslim detected.


7e500a No.259295

>>259286

>fundamentalist christians

Like I said, people who think the gospels are really just one big story, people who think that the writers of the bible all agreed with each other, etc etc.

>whole verses of the bible are forgeries

Verses who were not in the original manuscriptes and were added later by scribes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

>technically half of the NT is forgery

Only 7 out of 13 pauline letters were actually written by him, for example. If someone else was writing in the name of Paul then that letter is a forgery.


7e500a No.259297

>>259291

Actually I'm a deist. I despise Islam but I'm ok with christianity for the most part. What I'm talking about here is not some fringe fedora theory btw (like Jesus didn't exist), it's mainstream scholarship.


88bd03 No.259299

It's not that big of a deal. The Bible is a declaration of God, not God himself.


c8d507 No.259307

>>259295

>Like I said, people who think the gospels are really just one big story, people who think that the writers of the bible all agreed with each other, etc etc.

They wouldn't probably agree with each other on small details they have written, but on the matter of faith, they would.

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/is-everything-in-the-bible-true

>NIV

Opinion discarded.

>If someone else was writing in the name of Paul then that letter is a forgery.

Well, if Paul endorsed that person to write in his name, then it's not. Also, it is well know that, as evident in Galatians 6:11, Paul had a bad eyesight. He wouldn't be able to write all those epistles by himself. Also, it doesn't matter who wrote those letters as long as they're divinely inspired.


88bd03 No.259310

>>259307

Paul usually mentions when he's writing the letter himself, though, or when he's using a scribe. The deutero-Pauline are believed to have been written by completely unrelated individuals long after his death.


84913e No.259319

>>259307

>They wouldn't probably agree with each other on small details they have written, but on the matter of faith, they would.

You can choose a interpretation and interpret all other bible verses in that light, but I find it hard to believe that all writers thought the same. Early christians believed in very different things for example.

>Opinion discarded.

I don't care about the NIV. The point is, there are verses which weren't in the earliest manuscripts.

>Well, if Paul endorsed that person to write in his name, then it's not. Also, it is well know that, as evident in Galatians 6:11, Paul had a bad eyesight. He wouldn't be able to write all those epistles by himself. Also, it doesn't matter who wrote those letters as long as they're divinely inspired.

What he said:

>>259310


84bdbe No.259350

>>259310

>Taken from the ICSB:

'That being said, the distinctiveness of the Pastoral Epistles is a factor that must be weighed carefully, for the evidence that can be interpreted in different ways. For instance, even critics who deny Pauline authorship generally recognize traces of Paul's thinking throughout these letters, and this leaves open the possibility of a closer relationship to the apostle than that envisioned by pseudepigraphical advocates. Stylistic differences between the Pastorals and Paul's undisputed writings, while undeniable, probably have more to do with differences in purpose and subject matter than anything else. After all, the Pastoral Epistles are written to pastors (Timothy and Titus) who are already well seasoned and educated leaders in the Church, while Paul's other letters are written to instruct young congregations in the basics of Christian faith. Allegations that the ecclesiastical hierarchy outlined in the Pastorals was unknown to the Church of Paul's day are likewise overdrawn, since several passages in the undisputed letters of Paul point to a structured system of leadership already in place during the earliest days of the Church (1 Cor 12:28; Phil 1:1; 1 Thess 5:12; cf. Acts 14:23; 20:17). As for Paul's travel itinerary, one must admit that these letters claim to give us information about Paul's career that is otherwise uncorroborated in the NT. Nevertheless, this can be taken as an earmark of Pauline authorship, since it is more likely that a literary forgery would stay within the outline of Paul's life set forth in the Book of Acts and his genuine letters rather than depart from it. Otherwise, the attempt to pass off these letters as authentic Pauline writings would surely fail to convince the original recipients that they were reading the words of an apostle. In the end, the case against Pauline authorship is neither airtight nor immune to criticism, and the tradition that Paul himself composed the Pastoral Epistles can still be critically and convincingly defended.'

>>259319

>You can choose a interpretation and interpret all other bible verses in that light, but I find it hard to believe that all writers thought the same. Early christians believed in very different things for example.

Well yeah, the Council of Nicaea and Scholasticism that established the teachings of christianity formally happened hundreds of years after them. I said that only on the matter of faith they wouldn't.

You know what, find me some bible verses by different authors that are contradictory in teaching the christian faith and morals.

>The point is, there are verses which weren't in the earliest manuscripts.

This article explains why we accept those verses.

https://vivacatholic.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/misquoting-jesus-vs-misquoting-truth/


d9cc81 No.259360

firstly, John and Matthew were eye witnesses

secondly, you're missing a fundamental point of the christian faith… that those writers were moved by the holy spirit. they wrote the word of God. as such

your secular scholars and theories are of no merit.


5dce81 No.259361

>>259237

>implying modern bible scholars are worth a shit


866312 No.259415

>no one named John wrote a gospel

>is not the same John

Pick one




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