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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/isis-and-homosexuality-are-gods-punishment-on-europe-claims-free-presbyterian-minister-ian-brown-31259705.html

possible relevant scripture:

amos 9: specifically verses 7/8:

“Are you not like the Ethiopians to me,

O people of Israel?” says the Lord.

“Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt,

and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians from Kir?

Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom,

and I will destroy it from the surface of the ground;

except that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob,”

says the Lord.

(possibly incorrect) exegesis:

This verse comes in the context of warnings to Israel for their sins, and it means "I am just as likely to punish you (though not to the point of complete destruction) as I am to punish the gentile nations.

The second half of the verse means "I am behind all migrations"- ie "I am in charge of all the peoples of the world, whether they know it or not".

The specific advantage of Israel is that they are the first people to be told about this; they are the initial contact point.

Isaiah 34 (most relevant chapter on this subject)

Isaiah 60:12

For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

Ezekiel 25

specifically verses 10, 14, 17

6-9:

For thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel;

Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.

The famous Hosea 4:6

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Hosea 5

Hosea 9:7

Hosea 10:10

I will come against the wayward people to chastise them;

and nations shall be gathered against them

when they are chastised for their double iniquity.

Zechariah 14 (??)

Jermiah 5:9

Shall I not punish them for these things?

says the Lord;

and shall I not avenge myself

on a nation such as this?

Leviticus 26:14-46

Isaiah 9:8 - 10:34

>is europe receiving the wrath of god?

Reminds me of Attila's moniker. And yes, it could very well be that this is the case.

Proverbs 24:20-22

For the evil man has no future;

the lamp of the wicked will be put out.

My son, fear the Lord and the king,

and do not disobey either of them;

for disaster from them will rise suddenly,

and who knows the ruin that will come from them both?

>>259349

>Attila's moniker

?

here's another one i found:

Zephaniah 3:8-13

I don't think God is punishing people, but He is allowing misfortune to hang on people to wake them up.

>>259352

Attila the Hun was regarded as "The Scourge of God".

>>259344

They left the Church's teachings and authority in favor of a new liberation ideology, and such secular ideology that worships men rather than God will always be utilized by the crafty Jews.They reap what they sow.

God punishes people to correct them. Perhaps they will return to God now. If not they deserve what they get.

>>259359

US imported this ideology. while it keeps failing here and people get more disillusioned with it your elites will never let you so easily off the hook.

>>259365

Dude, the US is masonic, it was built upon this ideology.

>>259344

>>259344

>is europe receiving the wrath of god?

If Europe being punished. It deserves to be

>>259376

i didnt meant to say otherwise. i mean that they imported that ideology here in europe or at least made it the dominant one. at the very top its that peace of shit england i bet.

fug…;_:

what is the /christian/ version of RWDS?

we need to mobilize, guise…

>>259376

Only one founding father was a Mason and Washington only got to join at the bottom long after he retired from politics.

I've looked into these tards. Been invited. Long story short, old white boys club that gets drunk together and does each other favors. Get high enough in the ranks and there are hookers and cocaine and a chance to join the shriners.

So lame.

No, it's just the Jews. Wrath is yet to come but when it does you'll know it.

>>259401

i can't help but think the fate of the world is doomed to become a globalist system ruled by the antichrist. are jews and their part in this not simply leading to this?

god will unleash his wrath at the apex of degeneracy, no?

>>259408

and i mean to say: are we not to expect increasingly bad conditions leading up to this; including increased persecution of christians?

>>259344

its because when they abandoned god they didn't abandon religion but replaced it with a faith in progressivism

>>259344

They are not being punished, they are loving it, their God is a big black Muslim dick.

pmp

>>259344

They aren't being punished, imo.

They just encouraged a set of circumstances and philosophies that turned against them in the long run.

that's what BPA said

Its manmade.

Entirely manmade.

If you put god behind it, you implie that decadent idiocy born by affluence and the decisions of europes (and other nations) leaders who led to this crisis were inspired by the divine.

Now if a tectonic plate movement would have suddenly created a landlocked bridge over the mediterran, you would have a "coincidence" which could be speculated to be gods doing.

On the other hand, a great spiritual crisis in europe was caused by that one earthquake who leveled a city and buried the believers who prayed for mercy in the local cathedral.

Get "punished" if you believe to test you.

Get "punished" if you dont believe to spite you.

How about god not punishing people at all anymore in this life and leaving them to the fruits of their own decisions, excluding what comes beyond?

No. God's punishment is for Judgement Day. They're just reaping what they've sown in natural consequence. It's evangelicucks that think every storm and earthquake or accident or political event is God punishing someone.

>>259357

This

>>259344

YES

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I have been saying this for a long time.

All the Arminians flourishing here with their lousy theology.

God reprimands people. Europe is a continent that has forgotten God. Christianity is on a decline. The Eastern church is a pagan monstrosity, the Roman whore is preaching a false gospel, and the Protestant church has succumb to liberalism and become worldly.