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cdf051 No.259836

>hear and see teetotaling Christians talk about how they don't drink alcohol because some shit about 'my body is a temple, and I don't want to pollute it with alcohol, which is a drug,' and how drinking is a sin

>said people will still proceed to eat and drink shit that is objectively much more unhealthy and harmful such as soda, fast food, donuts

You'd think if you didn't 'want to pollute your temple' you'd avoid processed chemical-laden food and opt for avoiding certain foods entirely and practicing moderation.

The best part is there were at least three fat-fucks in this teetotaling group.

3b4b55 No.259837

I don't drink alcohol at all. The way the entire society has become adicted to alcohol, how it is the rule, and the constant tragedies it causes disgust me


d3fc1d No.259860

Alcohol isn't a sin (Christ drank wine and chose to come to us under the guise of bread and wine), but drunkenness is a sin.


c76d6a No.259867

>>259836

>alcohol sin

The bible does not say that alcohol is a sin, actually it allows the consumation of alcohol.

If someone claims that its a sin, he just added to the commandments which is a sin itself.

It is funny how those that scream the loudest that jesus liberated us from "commandments" invent new burdensome jokes to put us under.

>drugs sin

No the bible does not go against drugs either, the only thing the bible condemns is being intoxicated by drugs.

If you use marijuana to calm down, there is no sin.

If you use cocain to increase performance its no sin.


420d70 No.259871

>>259836

You're correct in this sense:

That the questioning and criticism of others' hard-held convictions and small varieties in matters of doctrine are your safest route to Heaven.

Try this prayer:

Oh God, thank you for revealing to me the best version of Christianity there is. Help other Christians be more like me. Amen


d3fc1d No.259880

>>259867

Get out Satan


5f985e No.259900

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Alcohol dulls the senses and stupefies the drinker. Drugs are used to control people. Just read the MK Ultra files, they are used to make people into slaves. People become enslaved to materialistic pleasures such as alcohol and for that reason it is wicked. People often argue that it is "all right so long as you are moderate", I do not take this Stoic belief, rather that alcohol, heroin, marijuana are wicked in and of themselves. Taking drugs moderately and responsibly is irrelevant since the substance itself is bad. I would not support the legalization of drugs at all. Addiction does not exist in any meaningful way, it is a word used to justify a weak will.

Coffee and (some) medical drugs are acceptable to me. Coffee does not make people incapable, neither does it make people "lose control" of themselves. It produces stimulation similar to a cold shower or a hot tea.

Videos like this may seem to be an argument against "excessive drinking". While this is awful behavior ans shows the evils of excessive drinking, it does not legitimize moderate drinking. Both are wicked as the substance is bad in and of itself, however, excessive drinking and the behavior that follows is even worse.


5f985e No.259901

Alcohol dulls the senses and stupefies the drinker. Drugs are used to control people. Just read the MK Ultra files, they are used to make people into slaves. People become enslaved to materialistic pleasures such as alcohol and for that reason it is wicked. People often argue that it is "all right so long as you are moderate", I do not take this Stoic belief, rather that alcohol, heroin, marijuana are wicked in and of themselves. Taking drugs moderately and responsibly is irrelevant since the substance itself is bad. I would not support the legalization of drugs at all. Addiction does not exist in any meaningful way, it is a word used to justify a weak will.

Coffee and (some) medical drugs are acceptable to me. Coffee does not make people incapable, neither does it make people "lose control" of themselves. It produces stimulation similar to a cold shower or a hot tea.

Videos like this may seem to be an argument against "excessive drinking". While this is awful behavior ans shows the evils of excessive drinking, it does not legitimize moderate drinking. Both are wicked as the substance is bad in and of itself, however, excessive drinking and the behavior that follows is even worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgpzYIlx08


5f985e No.259902

>>259900

>>259901

apologies for the double post, this site is not working properly.


6c8f11 No.259903

>>259837

Do you reject contraceptives too?

>>259900

>MK Ultra

Dropped.


5b4254 No.259928

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>>259900

So what do you make of all the positive references to wine in Scripture?


543e58 No.259930

>>259880

why do you call me satan?

Did God not give us all plants to eat?

Did jesus not drink wine?

And here deuteronomy 14, where God says what we shall have a feast on Pentacost.

>“And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Tell me who is the devil that forbids the consumation of things God has allowed.


3b4b55 No.259933


87c78f No.259934

>>259837

Me too. Alcohol and other drugs have never interested me in the least. The more others worship them the more glad I am to've never touched them.


27b912 No.259939

>>259900

>wicked in and of themselves

no will-less thing can be evil in and of itself, for such would be to ascribe evil to God. creation, and everything within it including wine, is fundamentally good.

concupiscence becomes sin only at that point where improper overindulgence in some otherwise benign thing occurs.

consider what makes a glutton, or a whore monger…

properly diluted and drunken in proper measure, wine lightens the mind a bit and ensures the purity of water.

it's only when you drink it undiluted and more than a civilized man's 3 cups a day that it makes you into a wine sot and a sinful fool.


27b912 No.259940

>>259930

>consumation

consumption bro…no one here is fucking their wine.


91db06 No.259945

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>>259901

>it does not legitimize moderate drinking

Neither is it a condemnation of moderate drinking

>>259928

inb4 grape juice


bf388f No.259995

>>259860

>drunkenness is a sin

is there a biblical passage to support that? is it being drunk ever, or habitual drunkenness?


bf388f No.259996

I think the only case of alcohol being forbidden is for someone who took the Nazirite vow. This is an OT commandment, so I don't know if Nazirite vows would still be relevant (I guess monks basically fit the same mold).


5b4254 No.259999

>>259995

Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1 Peter 4:3


cdf051 No.260005

So, to all the teetolater idiots in this thread: you don't think alcohol and actively avoid it, but you'll still pollute your 'temple' with fast food/processed food filled with artificial chemicals, additives, trans-fats, inordinate amounts of sodium and calories, little to no nutritional value, and added sugars?

Okay - I'd still prefer if my children drank alcohol than if they drank soda. Considering many of the popular foods that have little to no nutritional value, I believe eating these should be a sin (examples: instant ramen, frozen/mass-produced snacks/fritters [chips, fries, candy bars], soda/sugary drinks, etc.). Why? Because the point of eating is to obtain nutrition and energy. These foods impart little to no nutritional value: ergo, eating these foods is literal gluttony. Not only that, they 'pollute' your temple in a much more immediate way than alcohol.

And also, you teetolating cucks also avoid all the common medicines that contain alcohol (ethanol) in them? Probably not, because you're hypocrites

http://www.sdsuduip.com/medications-containing-alcohol/


543e58 No.260017

>>259996

>still valid

Paul and 4 other chritian men took the nazarite vow in acts 21


3b4b55 No.260027

>>260005

The thing you don't understand, retard, is that the world is addicted to alcohol. That everyone, including children, are encouraged constantly, to drink more and more alcohol, always. Which is why, more or less every month, some news related to alcohol make me want to puke.

Everyone drinking more beer, more wine, more alcohol, more and more. At every occasion.

The world is ill, and there is only one way to heal it.


cdf051 No.260029

>>260027

>what everyone, including children, are encouraged constantly, to drink more and more alcohol, always

Proof Christians are completely deluded. On the other hand, alcohol isn't pushed aside from a few commercials on TV past a certain hour. PSAs constantly remind people to not drink and how bad it is.

What the fuck are you going on about?

And the only one ill is you, except there is no way to heal you: there is suicide though, and I'd encourage you to consider it.


91db06 No.260031

>>260027

>The thing you don't understand, retard, is that the world is addicted to alcohol.

[citation needed]


3b4b55 No.260033

>>260029

>alcohol isn't pushed aside from a few commercials on TV past a certain hour

Alcohol is EVERYWHERE because EVERYONE pushes it. An no matter what anyone tries to say, everyone drinks alcohol. Absolutely everyone. Every single day.

You are so sick, so addicted to alcohol you try to deny a reality everyone can see. You are so triggered by people going against alcohol that you tell me to kill myself.

Every day, I see how everyone drinks more and more beer, how even children are encouraged by all their relatives to drink alcohol. And you, retard, try to say me that I'm wrong. Because alcohol isn't pushed aside from a few commercials… you are the living proof of everything I say.

>>260031

Citation? Are you drunk?


bf388f No.260047

>>259999

ok, thanks. nice quads


91a802 No.260064

>>259836

What kind of faggot gets triggered that someone else doesn't drink alcohol?

OP confirmed for alcoholic.

You're like when sluts get triggered when they find out an attractive person is a virgin. Impure people hate being in the presence of anything that isn't as tainted as them. They just have to stamp out the innocence and purity like a demon.


91db06 No.260078

>>260033

>Citation? Are you drunk?

Are you an alcoholic?


91db06 No.260081

>>260033

>Alcohol is EVERYWHERE because EVERYONE pushes it.

It's everywhere because the spores of the fungus that causes the fermentation is everywhere. Not because of some sinister plot. Besides, the amount of alcohol in, say, fruit juice or kefir is so minute that nobody is going to get drunk or addicted from it.


91db06 No.260084

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>>260029

>Proof protestants are completely deluded.

FTFY


3f7771 No.260097

>>259836 Alcohol is not intrinsically evil. When Jesus turned the water to wine( during the wedding) He did not make non-alcoholic wine. In fact, it was said that Jesus saved the best for last.

What is at the center of polluting one's 'temple' is what is the motivation? What is the center of the heart's desire?

We are encouraged and commanded not to get drunk to the point of gluttony. And we are encouraged and exhorted to take care of our body, the ' temple' , so that God's Holy Spirit has a good home to come and dwell within us.

Drinking alcohol for health benefits would be perfectly fine. Drinking it for celebratory reasons, such as festivals and weddings is fine.


c21215 No.260100

>>259836

wine in the bible days was not wine as we know it today it didn't have alcohol in it


d91bf2 No.260106

>>260081

No, yeast isnt flying around the air waiting to make beer. The first yeast fermented alcoholic beverages were made with yeast from women's lady parts


afbe45 No.260107

Well the way I see it, alcohol and drunkenness is only bad when it causes you to sin. The whole inhibition lowering thing. I won't condemn you for drinking but then in turn you should not condemn me for not drinking.


91db06 No.260136

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>>260100

>wine in the bible days was not wine as we know it today it didn't have alcohol in it

Yes, it did. They had neither the technology, nor the motivation for removing alcohol from wine, nor did they have the technology to store grape juice while preventing it from fermenting.

>>260106

>No, yeast isnt flying around the air waiting to make beer.

I didn't say beer. But any sweet liquid or moist solid, like dough (which is especially relevant to the Jews for passover) left open for any amount of time is eventually going to be colonised by yeast and become slightly alcoholic.

>The first yeast fermented alcoholic beverages were made with yeast from women's lady parts

Of course not. Do you have a single fact to back this up with? Wine had been made with the yeast that grows on the outside of the skin of the grapes, from Noah to the present day.


91db06 No.260137

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The Song of Right and Wrong

by G. K. Chesterton

Feast on wine or fast on water

And your honour shall stand sure,

God Almighty’s son and daughter

He the valiant, she the pure;

If an angel out of heaven

Brings you other things to drink,

Thank him for his kind attentions,

Go and pour them down the sink.

Tea is like the East he grows in,

A great yellow Mandarin

With urbanity of manner

And unconsciousness of sin;

All the women, like a harem,

At his pig-tail troop along;

And, like all the East he grows in,

He is Poison when he’s strong.

Tea, although an Oriental,

Is a gentleman at least;

Cocoa is a cad and coward,

Cocoa is a vulgar beast,

Cocoa is a dull, disloyal,

Lying, crawling cad and clown,

And may very well be grateful

To the fool that takes him down.

As for all the windy waters,

They were rained like tempests down

When good drink had been dishonoured

By the tipplers of the town;

When red wine had brought red ruin

And the death-dance of our times,

Heaven sent us Soda Water

As a torment for our crimes.


543e58 No.260139

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>>260100

Wrong, they had the same amount of alcohol im their wine as we do.

Grapes or any other fruit already has yeast growing on its skin. Thats why when fruits get overripe they start to ferment on their own.

Fruit juce without alcohol like we have it did not exist for the last 100years.

pasteurizing was invented in 1861!!!

Before 1861 we where not able to stop the process of fermentation.

>>260106

Yes the yeast is EVERYWHERE. Its even in the air. Every organic product that has sugar in it has yeast.

The diffrnece is just that it just takes longer if you dont add extra yeast to it. The diffrence is about 1-2 weeks depending on what fruit or how much extra yeast you insert.

Is /christian/ not filled with /pol/ how come you guys are ao stupid


e874b7 No.260144

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You are now aware one of the first teetotalers was a catholic priest, can't remember).

>>259900

>are wicked in and of themselves.

Manichaeist.

>>259940

>no one here is fucking their wine.

I hope.


e874b7 No.260145

>>260106

Lol, sloppy editing from me.


599b9d No.260154

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>mfw when I am sXe, lift and eat fresh healthy organic food. Temple is a ok.


c5f2f1 No.260157

I'm a teetotaler, but only out of medical reasons.

When there's a chance that I can drink a good glass of wine or a nice trappist beer I'll take it, promised that my medical condition allows it at that moment (overactive bladder, nothing serious but alcohol obliterates my whole system most of the time).

The only thing that's sinful is decadence and drunkeness apart from the occasional feast.


6773ba No.260175

>>260100

non alcoholic grape juice was invented in the 1800s by Welch, who was a teetotaling Methodist shit.

prior to the invention of pasteurization, it was basically impossible to store grape juice without it fermenting into either wine or vinegar.


6773ba No.260177

>>260106

please Google sourdough. please.


bf388f No.260178

>>260136

fyi in ancient times people drank wine diluted with water

it was considered barbaric or vulgar to drink your wine undiluted


4cc990 No.260218

>>259837

Same here. I do not drink alcohol at all. Though I just use the excuse that I'm /fit/ and it would ruin it.

>>259903

Yes, I reject contraceptives too.




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