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Alex here, I'm back. I'll make a SAFemail ASAP for those who'd like to contact me. 1-8-16

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18e868 No.260749

New to this forum so I don't know if this question is not allowed/common troll question, but I'm not sure which I should follow?

I was raised Protestant, and I still consider myself one (currently not a member of a church, I read my bible and pray on my own).

I don't understand how Catholics can believe Mary was sinless/a virgin for the rest of her life, as that isn't in the bible and seems to contradict Christ's divinity. On top of that, praying to Mary and the saints and the general reverence of them seems like idolatry to me. Then there's the infallibility of the pope yet popes disagree with each other/go against the bible. Also beliefs in things like purgatory which aren't in the bible seem heretical to me.

But Peter was chosen to be God's church and the Catholic church is a continuation of that, so are the Catholics the only real authority in Christianity?

But if the only thing you need for salvation is Jesus, then does it matter how I worship/what church I belong to?

6f5ebf No.260750


3cd23c No.260761

>>260749

>main branches

wide is the path that leads to destruction.

Look at the church that everyone unjustly hates

messianic church (not judaism)


ff8673 No.260765


ee83a2 No.260766

>>260765

Watch any James White debate or Reformed Apologetic Ministry video

Destroys Romanism

Or just read the Bible and then decide. You will see for yourself.


e018b6 No.260776


190477 No.260831

you idiots still doing these incitement threads, aye?

Nice one.


316a47 No.260845

>>260749

>I don't understand how Catholics can believe Mary was sinless/a virgin for the rest of her life, as that isn't in the bible and seems to contradict Christ's divinity.

On the contrary, it was necessary for her to be full of grace and free of sin in order conceive and bear God. Just read Leviticus and see how complicated it is for the High Priest to merely enter the Holiest of Holies. Imagine what it takes to actually BE the Holiest of Holies, the Ark of the New Covenant, the Tabernacle of the Lord. And once he was born the grace didn't just pack up and leave, but stayed with her the rest of her life.

>On top of that, praying to Mary and the saints and the general reverence of them seems like idolatry to me.

First off, to pray means to respectfully ask for something. In languages other than English, or if you speak a 16th century dialect of English, you might pray to the neighbour to borrow his leaf blower. There's nothing idolatrous about that. An example of idolatry is when the Israelites made a golden calf, claimed it was actually God and worshipped it as such. Nobody is claiming either Mary, the Saints, or your well-equipped neighbour is God.

Second, they all managed to get where you want to go, so you should follow their example. Especially Mary, since nobody loves God as much as she does. And because they are with God their prayers are much stronger than ours, especially Mary's. While it's absolutely true in principle that all you need is Jesus, in practice a Marian devotion is necessary for salvation simply because we have fallen so far and we need her example and intercession to get back on track. More so now than ever, especially with all the modern wealth, distractions and temptations everywhere.

>Then there's the infallibility of the pope yet popes disagree with each other/go against the bible.

The pope is infallible only in matters of faith and morals and when speaking in the capacity of teachers of the Church. This is what falls within the framework of binding and loosing of Matthew 18:18. And in this respect none have disagreed or contradicted the Bible. The pope cannot bind his successors in matters of discipline and Church administration, and thank God for that, or the Church would have accumulated centuries-worth of irrelevant cruft and bad ideas that seemed good at the time and made it a complete unruly mess.

>Also beliefs in things like purgatory which aren't in the bible seem heretical to me.

It's certainly easy to infer purgatory from the Bible. Here's a good write-up on the matter:

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

You'll see it's not even very controversial when you consider what the Church actually teaches on it, and set aside all fictional accounts, artistic representation, and what critics think purgatory is.

>But Peter was chosen to be God's church and the Catholic church is a continuation of that, so are the Catholics the only real authority in Christianity?

Yes, indeed. But the Eastern Orthodox deserve an honourable mention in this regard. Their bishops are just as valid as the Catholic ones, so they are in theory capable of exercising the same authority, but because of the unfortunate circumstance of not being in communion with the Bishop of Rome they can't currently exercise this authority. Which is why they are are still stuck at the latest council at the time of the schism, the Second Council of Nicaea in AD 787. But it's going to be interesting to see if they dare attempt to define dogma in the upcoming Great and Holy Council on Crete in June.

>But if the only thing you need for salvation is Jesus, then does it matter how I worship/what church I belong to?

It's true the only thing you ultimately need is Jesus, but stop for a moment to consider what that entails. That all you need is the mere existence of Jesus would mean everyone is saved. That all you need to do is acknowledge this existence (as in "sola fide") every Christian, Muslim and even most Atheist historians would be saved. Even Satan would be saved. So this can't be the proper interpretation.

Instead you have to consider his entire ministry, that of the apostles and their successors, which is the Catholic Church. To reject the Church that Christ founded on the account that Christ is all you need doesn't make sense at all. What's more, a lot of commandments, like except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you of John 6 only make sense within the context of the Church.


18e868 No.260917

>>260831

OP here, my questions are serious

>>260845

>It's true the only thing you ultimately need is Jesus, but stop for a moment to consider what that entails. That all you need is the mere existence of Jesus would mean everyone is saved. That all you need to do is acknowledge this existence (as in "sola fide") every Christian, Muslim and even most Atheist historians would be saved. Even Satan would be saved. So this can't be the proper interpretation.

I meant the acceptance of Jesus as the son of God and as your savior, not believing he simply existed. Muslims and atheists don't believe he's Lord or that he's their savior.


ff8673 No.260918

>>260766

The video and the websites I cited are by Matt Slick, a Calvinist.

But yeah, I agree with Van Til that Romanism is basically the worst form of Christianity.


6a5aeb No.260934

>>260845

>Marian devotion is necessary for salvation

Woops, I assume you didn't mean to write that.


316a47 No.260940

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>>260917

>I meant the acceptance of Jesus as the son of God and as your savior, not believing he simply existed. Muslims and atheists don't believe he's Lord or that he's their savior.

That's just varying degrees of refusing to accept his ministry. If you say he's your Lord and Saviour in words only, but neglect him in your actions, he's not really your Lord and Saviour, is he?

>>260934

>Woops, I assume you didn't mean to write that.

I meant to write that, but do read it in context.

Like I said, in principle only devotion to Jesus is needed, but people who refuse Marian devotions just aren't very pious in practice. Of course there are exceptions, but do you really want to make your entire salvation hinge on you being the outlier? Mary is the first Christian, and the most perfect one. If you love God as much as she does, you will be saved. No wonder Satan wants to drive people away from her at all costs. Mary wants to help you be like her, so why do you turn your nose up at her gracious offer?

It's common for modernists to turn their nose up at Mary, and look where that leads us. Mary is present at every mass, at the foot of the cross, on Calvary, witness to the great suffering of her son and God because of the sin of the world. Imagine any mother seeing such a sight, let alone the most pure and loving one. But nobody who understands that dares make a mockery of the mass. The people who put on clown masses are decidedly not Marian. Conversely, all the anti-modernist popes, those unafraid of strongly affirming the Catholic faith in the face of opposition, have been highly Marian, such as Pius IX, Leo XIII, Saint Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, etc.


bc4c62 No.260941

>>260761

only if ur a jew tho right?


6a5aeb No.260943

>>260940

You were part of the co-redemptrix movement weren't you?


5cd377 No.260968

>>260941

What jew?

Does the scripture not say there is no diffrence between jew and greek? What is correct for the jew is correct for us and the otherway around


316a47 No.260983

>>260943

No, not at all. I have nothing against those that are, though.


11be55 No.261013

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>>260845

This Anon knows his stuff.




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