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To explain what I dont agree to, I dont want to worship anyone but Jesus Christ and God the Triunity. I also dont give anybody but Jesus Christ credit for anything he has ever done for me.

>>260843

Then why all the stuff around her? I want to attend a church but if they do worship her I dont want to.

Anyone non orthodox attended an orthodoc church? What are the customs?

>>260844

http://www.catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/MaryAndWorship.pdf

>>260840

>At the same time I dont agree with the orthodox on their stance on Mary

So, do you disagree about the whole Theotokos thing as it's meaning, or as it's practices?

Like, do you agree that she is the Mother of God, in accordance with the council of Ephesus?

>>260895

I though Orthodox and Catholics disagreed on immaculate conception?

What's the deal with Orthodox placing big importance on John the Baptist? Is it because he is both the last Jewish Prophet and the first Christian Martyr? Does he have any unique prayers?

Just stay protestant and find a protestant church that is close to what you believe. Orthodox ethnic clubs will think your a weirdo if you show up as an outsider and it's not because your marrying an Orthofox girl or something. They'll roll their eyes and write you off as a LARPer. Also mariolatry is not negotiable for them.

>>260911

is there anything wrong with being a protestant though?

>>260911

How did conversion go for you? I'm a very interested Protestant with a good background of reading early church fathers and my wife is Catholic so I think I'd be a pretty good match.

What kind of hurdles did you face? What things wereassively different?

>>261153

>dat bait

please don't derail. The other Prots were having such a good time with our Orthodox and Catholic friends.

>>260840

Marianism isn't nearly as strong in the Orthodox Churches as it is the Catholic Church. But either way you go, nobody worships her. We honor her a lot because she agreed to be Christ's mother and stayed with Him through His death and resurrection. She's a model for all mothers to follow and the most important mother in history. Furthermore, looking at the Christian population as a kingdom ruled by Jesus Christ the King, it was ancient Israelite tradition for the mother of the king to be the queen. And Christian tradition tells us that Mary has been an active queen in her son's kingdom. Tons of miracles have come from Mary's intercession on the behalf of Jesus Christ. No, salvation doesn't come from Mary, but honoring the mother of our savior can't be harmful can it?

Now if you agree with Orthodoxy on all levels except Mary, the whole thing about praying to saints and having statues shouldn't be an issue for you. If it is, read Revelation. The saints can offer our prayers to God. Read Exodus too; if God told Moses that statues are idolotry, then why did He turn around and tell Moses to build statues of angels on the Ark of the Covenant and a bronze snake statue in the desert? Nobody places the saints or Mary on an equal level with Christ, nor does anybody actually worship the statues.

>>260840

Christianity is not about agreeing, it's about obeying.

>>260897

Orthodox and Catholics have more or less the same devotional outlook on Mary. We all revere her as the Mother of God (except for the Nestorians I guess), all holy and immaculate, seek her intercession and protection, etc. The Immaculate Conception is not one of the big issues dividing Catholics and Orthodox. The main reason it is opposed by the Orthodox is because it was defined as a dogma by the pope (Pope Pius IX in the 19th century), so it just became another polemical talking point (to put things in perspective, the 1054 schism was primarily about a disagreement over whether it was permissible for Latin priests to use unleavened bread in the mass). Now, the Orthodox never defined a dogma on the Immaculate Conception before or after the schism, but it's not like the Immaculate Conception was never believe in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

https://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/IMCONCEP.HTM

Another thing to keep in mind is that Orthodoxy has a lot of problems with modernist theology. For example, you might hear people say that the Orthodox Church doesn't believe in original sin for instance. Then you actually read historical Orthodox writings, and realize that this is all a modernist fiction, but people are fooled because it is modernism masquerading in traditional vestments. It would be like if all Catholics argued that we were not like group X because of <insert position of Hans Kung here>.

>>260841

Orthodox don't worship Mary. Neither do Catholics, but I'll focus on Orthodox now.

You'll notice that Mary in the Orthodox church is rarely depicted without Christ. There's a good reason for that.

I also suggest you research the passages in the Old and New Testament that clearly indicate Mary to be the Ark of the New Covenant and the New Eve. Such as her visiting Elizaebeth, Revelation, and the Wedding at Cana.

>>261220

It's less in the sense that we don't have as many specific Marian devotions like the Rosary prayer and we also don't generally believe in the Coronation, but at the same time there are some beautiful feasts in Orthodoxy and some beautiful hymns.