A revelation

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A revelation Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 06:42:03 1c0b30 No.260928

Originally posted on /pol/, reposting here at the suggestion of some:

Please bear with me. This'll sound like /fringe/ bullshit at first, but there's a point to all this, I swear.

So a few days ago, I was talking about judeo-christian mythology with someone and I mentioned the original jewish mythology, which was very different. In that story, Yahweh, whose actual name is Adonai, is neither a god nor the creator of the Universe. He is an angel, the most powerful angel in creation, but still only an angel, with Lucifer being close behind. The story goes that Adonai, being the most powerful, most perfect aspect of creation, declared himself a god and demanded worship of all, men and angels alike. Lucifer opposed him, saying that though he was indeed the greatest of them all, he was no god and that such a claim was arrogant blasphemy. This triggered the war of the angels, ending with Lucifer's defeat. In that story, Lucifer is evil because he tells the truth: He reveals the truth about Yahweh/God/Allah to men, bringing them to doubt his divinity and thus bringing his wrath upon them.

Now, I didn't remember where I read that, so I looked on the internet for a source and just couldn't find one. However, one of my coworkers was once a religious history teacher at a university, so I brought it up to him and he told me that he'd never heard of that before and confirmed what I found on the internet, which is that Yahweh was merely some fucking deity stolen from the Canaanites. Thing is, I could have sworn I had read the story I told somewhere, and the coherence of it all is bothering me.

However, these last few years, I've had some fairly unpleasant experiences with life. Namely, people with power abusing their position, striking me down for daring to have competence or to be righteous. What I'm guessing is that my unconscious mind created that cosmology and that the different forms present in my collective unconscious gave rise to that. It was essentially a revelation, if you will.

And I felt like sharing it. A view of the world where the righteous and honest are struck down by the powerful yet corrupt seems much more in line with how the world actually functions. Lucifer being struck down for stating the truth, and then being accused of what those who brought him down are actually guilty of, which is arrogance. A world where being virtuous means you're the enemy of the powerful.

So, that's it. Sorry if I got a bit weird, but I thought /pol/ would like it. And hell, if I did read that somewhere, maybe one of you will know where it's from, which would make more sense than me coming up with a fairly complex yet coherent cosmology unconsciously.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 06:44:40 1c0b30 No.260929

If you're interested in the /pol/ thread (and it's still up), here's a link:

http://8ch.net/pol/res/5417165.html

So far, Satanism/Luciferianism have been suggested as possible sources for it, as well as Gnosticism. However, looking those up doesn't turn up anything like it. I'm hoping that someone familiar with religious history could help.

And please, understand that I'm not claiming "This is the truth" or anything of the sort. It's mostly just an interesting personal story, and I'm interested in knowing if I got that from anywhere or somehow came up with it.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 08:30:02 a2e13d No.260933

>He is an angel, the most powerful angel in creation, but still only an angel, with Lucifer being close behind.

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>Which is that Yahweh was merely some fucking deity stolen from the Canaanites.

I have read this so many times, once I started looking it up, I was not surprised to find that nothing conflicts with the Bible.

People say it in a way that they think they are BTFOing Christians. Because the implications they think are devastating are:

1.God ONLY talked or interacted with Jews thus they are proving God existed outside of Jewish belief.

In the Bible the entire book of Job is about God's interactions with a non-Jew. The old testament is loaded with people who God interacted with (often favorably) who were also not jewish.

2. Stolen

I will never understand why people do this. It's sort of a strange, almost genetic attack on something. "Canaanites worshiped God as well, that means Jews didn't worship it…" or something? Considering the bible is loaded with parts that show a level of religious syncretism is expected (there are people who worshiped the Lord who were NOT jews listed IN THE OLD TESTAMENT). I think the line of thought goes "Other people worshiped God, therefore this disproves God" ? Utterly ridiculous.

3. Historicity

The idea of corroborating evidence for something should strengthen a claim (the truth of the accounts in the OT). But here we see the exact opposite. Historical evidence that confirms many of the things written in the OT, and it's used as though this is supposed to disprove Christianity? It's this strange backwards universe where evidence that confirms something…is supposed to disprove something.

YHWH was also known by Canaanites? No shit, read the Old Testament. You don't need to go outside the Bible to know that.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 08:51:42 1c0b30 No.260935

>>260933

Yeah, see, this is the kind of post which is fucking useless.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 08:54:00 a2e13d No.260937

>>260935

So what the fuck do you want then? Just to post your day dreams and have everyone read it without comment?

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 08:55:43 1c0b30 No.260938

>>260937

I'm mostly interested in the history of religions, as in if there's a set of beliefs which I drew all that from.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 11:56:34 6f236c No.260957

Source? Probably Morals and Dogma. The Canaanites are the Phoenicians, Samarian Jews, Carthagians, and even the Venetians. The language of the Canaanites are very similar to the language of the Israelites except for a few changes to its former definitions tied to a name that the Israelites had borrowed its pronunciation and characters (alphabet) but not their religion. Some people think that some of the Midianites (like Jethro) used to serve the same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob until they took on idols of the surrounding nations.

Anonymous 03/16/16 (Wed) 12:10:15 6f236c No.260958

>>260957

Forgot to add that there's some speculation that Jethro served a Canaanite/Phoenician idol which Moses picked up as "YHWH".

Just because Midianites lived near or in the land of Canaan doesn't mean that the Midianites were completely mixed with Canaanite culture and DNA. Moses married a Midianite, Midian was the son of Abraham so technically Moses didn't marry what Zionist pastors spreading multiculturalism think of a black woman, rather, a distant cousin, like mixed Native American Indians getting married.