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i live in celibacy and i dont fap yet i view porn. ask your answers.

>>262025

for your physical and spiritual benifit, my dude. What do you see as the benifit?

inb4 feels good man, clears my anxiety. That's just the rush of a chemical cocktail messing with your brain to keep you inclined of repeating it, you defend this vice like an addicted would. Do something productice like making something or studying. You'll get the same rush, you will improve yourself and not via sinning.

>>262024

Well if that isn't a violent, morally decaying waste of time i don't know what is. Why do you bother? Go do something productive

>>262027

i am a pervert

>>262025

Go away shill, you always try and argue why things the bible clearly says are not true.

>>262028

to expand i am not specifically going on porn sites and watching one porn movie after another. most of the porn i find while browsing chans.

>>262031

well that is so unbeleiveably stupid, the worst part is you admit it like you have no shame. I'll pray you realize your sin one day and act on it, anon.

I failed, and I wasn't even a week in. Feels bad.

>>262040

nice try, satan

>>262032

Nice anon, I haven't confessed yet, but I plan on it soon. How did it go?

did around 3 weeks, after that anything was sexualizable, even a table would do it.

lapsed of course, seems I'm stuck at the +/- 30 days mark where everything is a potential sex object.

no idea how to pass this barrier

I manage to resist for quite some time, but when I give in to lust I start doing it again, even more than before, everytime. I feel quite demoralized tbh, but I will keep trying. Sooner or later I will rid myself of this weakness.

>>262084

It went well. The preist said God loves you etc.When I said first time I meant confessing that I fapped. I had to walk 4.4 km to get there.

Onan doesn't apply anymore in fact it never applied to masturbation, Onans problem was mistreating his wife and not fulfilling his brotherly duty–if he became celibate he'd still be wrong. It was a weird rule for Israel that no longer applies. Onan story is obsolete. Period.

The problem of lust applies to real women, specially married/engaged women, women in real life u can't get. Lusting over a potential mate, a single woman is fine. Look at the word used for woman in that verse; the verse after it the same word refers to wife. Dont lust after real life taken women.

Porn isn't even real, and they didn't have porn back then like we do, so that injunction in Matthew doesn't apply.

In fact the word lust isn't even used the word is a generic form of desire, could be desire for anything…don't desire a taken woman to cook for u because of her cooking skills.

Desiring a single woman, a potential mate, is fine and recommend. Now what arguments are left???? None.

The bible never ever talks about fapping.

Ppl just misread Onan and butcher the translation of the verse in Matthew unreasonably.

>>262131

>Onan doesn't apply anymore

of course, no one said it did. Only really dumb orthodox jews still cling to it.

>Desiring a single woman, a potential mate, is fine and recommend. Now what arguments are left???? None.

As long as there is love within that desire then it's fine, of course, men should be sexually attracted to single women and should want to procure one for themselves. Even fantasizing about the experience is perfectly fine, as long as it's a single woman.

>>262131

The Catholic church teaches that it is a sin. The Catholic church is co-signed by Christ. Disobedience to the Catholic church is disobedience to God.

>>262152

the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

>>262150

Impeccable logic. It's your premises that need work though.

>>262154

a person can sin and tell thousands of lies and still avoid the gates of hell.

>>262152

Christ says that whatever the Church binds on Earth is bound in heaven also. That means God stands by it, and we know that God isn't a liar. So yes when the Catholic Church teaches that masturbation is a sin they're correct.

Would it be wrong to keep a folder of cute animu grils if none of them are particularly lewd or sexualized?

>>262234

Nothing sinful if you arn't getting your rocks off to it.

Socially its autistic though.

>>262022

I failed few times now within Lent.

Not going to happen anymore.

>>262239

Fortunately enough for the rest of us, social autism isn't a mortal sin.

>>262344

Nofap won't save u, I don't believe in salvation through works, so why torture yourself? But more importantly is iy biblical? As was shown in this thread Onan doesn't apply and the 'lust' verse in Matthew doesn't apply. So what's left? Is this just a fad so reclusives can boast and get a feeling of pseudo-spirituality?

>>262152

It's about obedience. Even if The church is imposing unnecessary law, we are still bound to follow it.

Day one

Feeling good, and since it's easter I believe it will be easier to find motivation to keep going

I'm at 3 months now. I'm trying for the whole year and I think I'm gonna make it and be done with this sin for good. The key is to pray every night (or whenever you usually fap) and if you relapse, just try again. You can work your way up from a few days to months. It gets easier as you continue on. Good luck everyone.

Tonight I'm starting again. I'm hoping to actually last at least a week this time. Wish me luck.

So…I really wish I knew how I do what I do. I wish I could help other people.

I was a masturbation enthusiast since I was 12. I probably jerked off five or six times a day.

Well I still don't know to what extent "jerking off" is intolerable (people come up with all sorts of scenarios, like jerking off to your wife while on a trip, etc etc, which seem to call into question which element of the activity is actually the bad part), but I feel fairly strongly that mastery over the flesh is something Christians are supposed to do.

So I just stopped masturbating.

Like that was it. I think I had the urge twice since then. Maybe three times. By that I mean saw someone post porn and think "That would have been nice to jerk off to." And it all happened right afterwards I stopped.

It's a long time, a year at least, maybe more. It's just not part of me anymore.

The way I see it, part of the package of accepting Christ, is the power of the Holy Spirit. It fills you, strengthens you. You are in complete control of yourself, and can exert command over every part if you so wish.

I keep seeing everyone have so much trouble with this, like they are addicted or something. I wonder how that comes about considering the sheer volume of how much I porn I used to consume and activity I'd partake in.

I don't know what else to tell people. Apparently "You just stop" doesn't help people. I really wish it did. Maybe more practice in meditation to become aware of your parts so when I say "focus on the part of you that desires it", you can focus on it the same way you focus on your hand or leg if you need to. Just those are imminently more obvious as parts of you.

Help me help you.

I've made it almost 2 weeks without fapping now. The bad part is that I'm starting to go look at the sort of stuff I used to fap to again.

The arousal I feel from viewing that sort of stuff seems to be slowly diminishing when I view it and resist any urges, but It bothers me that viewing it all provides a semblance of comfort. It's particularly bad because the content is related to a fetish I've had for a few years and I only hope that I can rid myself of it entirely if I manage to continue to abstain from any masturbation.

>>262523

>like they are addicted or something.

We are addicted. This is something that really fucks with the chemicals in your brain. We can't escape, I can't improve my condition.

>>262530

How does one become addicted? As I mentioned, the confusion for me is just how much I used to do it, and the (seemingly) trivial amount of effort required to stop. So it must not be just quantity which causes this disposition.

>>262532

It has to do with dopamine and the was our brains are wired.

>>262523

I think that ambivalence is what cripples most people's efforts. Especially those who do not consider masturbation immoral, because let's be honest porn addiction is far from crippling. They're not going to die, it will mess up their sex life but really their sex life sounds active enough already. It would be akin to not exercising. So when the urge arises they don't really have a strong counter-argument. "I said I wouldn't do it"? People say they'll fold the laundry and wash the dishes then they don't do it, and those things are hardly as biologically pressing or pleasurable as masturbation. Most people lack the conviction to stop.

You, on the other hand, sound like you have a very compelling reason not to masturbate. With God (and perhaps more important is what precedes His influence: your faith) on your side you are practically unstoppable. For you not masturbating is not simply fulfilling a personal challenge or settling a bet, it is righteous in and of itself. For others it's not nearly so simple or glorious: they know it feels good and they could just do it for the rest of their lives, that kind of pleasure eclipses any shame they feel afterwards, and there are a host of rationalisations they can offer such as its supposed health benefits, "everybody does it" and "it's natural so it must be good. right?" Or the most insidious of all: "I couldn't help it".

However I subscribe to Stoicism so I believe that whether or not I masturbate is within my control (my hands don't move on their own, after all) and so it really is as trivial as me choosing not to. The urges can mount but they are not unendurable and ultimately it remains my choice.

Is it wrong to feel thankful to God for wet dreams? The pressure was getting physically uncomfortable and I felt relief waking up this morning, even if it was accompanied by (involuntary) sexual fantasies.

>>262530

>i cant improve

I know its hard but giving up is basically giving up on God, too. Maybe it wont stop right away (look at everyone in this thread) but if you truly love God, and you acknowledge how this removes you from him, you will stop eventually with his help.

>>263366

Its not that you shouldnt feel bad, but if i, a fallen human, sympathize with you, then what is the Lord doing? Everytime you sin it's like when you yell at your mother or father. You seperate yourself from them, but they dont stop loving you and you can reconcile, especially when its God who needs nothing.

>>263369

Same. I went 6 days before I got a wet dream. I wasn't struggling though.

>>263404

>How do I beat loneliness

Pray

>How do I stop watching pr0n

Pray instead

>>263470

It's not that strange. The more I read about it, it is the porn itself that is addicting, not the masturbation.

>>263470

I'm being legit. I never have. I really have to pray more on it, though even though I do thought still creep up somehow or I end up slipping past it while browsing and out of curiosity and temptation start viewing it.

>>262502

It's counts as a mortal sin because you know masturbation is sinful, and yet you continue to do it anyway.

>>263470

Probably a woman.

>tfw porn addict

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak

Pray for me brothers

>>263625

Women masturbate too

I have no idea on what day I am, around 7 days I would guess.

I'm doing good but it's get harder by the minute. Please pray for me.