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c038c2 No.405648

27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Corinthians 6:19

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Galatians 6:8

Post your NoFap successes/woes/prayer requests/ etc.

6862d8 No.553154

File: adc79ce96719976⋯.jpg (21.08 KB, 220x170, 22:17, pope-smoker1.jpg)


who told you you can't smoke, pal ?

e520ee No.553161


smoking in the vestments would not be good. atleast take them off first. maybe wear the rassa

b6a7fb No.553898

File: 00d94d6f642f5ba⋯.jpeg (24.26 KB, 291x350, 291:350, 518C1A7F-BFAD-4780-A1C4-B….jpeg)


Hi anons, I wanted to drop this book here, it has helped me tremendously so far:


The basic idea is that extreme penances, porn filters and the “willpower” method are not particularly productive. Rather you must remove the brainwashing and conditioning you have received from our modern liberal society. You must unlearn what you have learned about sexuality. Much of the book will seem like fluff but please read the whole thing, it is necessary to put you in the right state of mind. This book pretty much chronicled my whole experience so far, and why what I was trying previously was not working.

God be with you anons!

c681be No.553900

File: bcdb251c1009a9b⋯.jpg (156.66 KB, 1024x1133, 1024:1133, Based.jpg)

1c9981 No.554768

File: 04148b5d0f78843⋯.jpg (45.83 KB, 411x512, 411:512, Charles-Martel.jpg)

>day 1


2dd041 No.554772

File: 9e64b3e9c001fe0⋯.jpg (7.99 MB, 2863x2441, 2863:2441, Hieronymus_Bosch-_The_Seve….JPG)

2b384f No.554833


This is great stuff anon, thanks! Goes to show that so long as we are under the illusion that porn is fun or makes our lives better, then it is incredibly difficult to defeat it. Whereas once we realise that porn is a waste of time, that it only makes us more unhappy, and that we can easily live without it, then giving it up is easy. We can also add to this the message that when we are faithful to Christ, we are going to be much better dealing with suffering. But if we reject Christ because we think being a Christian is “too hard”, and we keep using porn because it “makes life easier”, we are buying into evil lies as well as prolonging our own suffering.

65f48d No.554858


>Does stalking your oneitis' facebook count?

I would say yes. Dating sites do the same for me, which I avoid.

My suggestion would be to draw near to God when you get these feelings. Ask him for help in getting the proper desire of meeting and forming a relationship with a woman IRL.

a1f19e No.554866

File: 5d5981fab1f5c2c⋯.png (10.6 KB, 225x225, 1:1, bro.png)


>seeing someone 10 times better than I am.

naw you're the best dude, don't give up.

also what's oneitis,, an english phonemic joke??like the annoying "3.14 pie" meme?

1ceb83 No.554905


Idk seems like a codeword for virgins. Hahaha i head that on r/christianity too on reddit and i said it and i got 42 upvoats

6862d8 No.554964

File: 9f1952bb16be40c⋯.jpg (401.58 KB, 1200x1758, 200:293, william-adolphe-bouguereau….jpg)

File: 17aa9c5a34b9316⋯.jpg (40.71 KB, 320x430, 32:43, our-lady-of-fatima.jpg)

File: 9c90eb236d8522c⋯.jpg (63.93 KB, 400x606, 200:303, olg-dragon.jpg)



its working, im digusted at the mere thought of offending our holy mother.

the swords piercing her immaculite heart are the many blasphemies and offenses done and spoken against her and her children more often than not performed by us ourselves.

repent and bow to the demands of our lady of fatima and you will learn to love christ through her as he demands it and earn everlasting life AND SUCCESFULL NOFAP!

4f2450 No.555003

File: 81792525ee6b895⋯.jpg (103.55 KB, 1140x712, 285:178, 0923_MALO_Franciscans_152.jpg)


Had the same problem as you and I deleted all my social media accounts, then focused on exercise and healthy living. Made life 100x more bearable.

fd9a84 No.555007

Wet dreams don't count right? It wasn't even a sexy dream, it was about the Red Wings being 22 points ahead (not even sure who they were playing) and then I woke up because I came my pants.

a1f19e No.555014

File: 82f68e590e3c57a⋯.jpg (65.83 KB, 1140x768, 95:64, two nofappers meet.jpg)

day 378.

i stopped whinnig and started to follow kali muscles advice on high reps.

Now I am doing a lot of reps and it vents of evil sexual energies.

also hobbos want to shake my hand now

4f2450 No.555016

File: d7763da2c982b91⋯.jpg (573.91 KB, 679x998, 679:998, mi1.jpg)


Bingo. The main reason it's hard is that we've been brainwashed into believing we're giving up a good, healthy and normal thing. Then we punish ourselves with harsh penances and guilt-tripping which only exacerbate our problems, thus we seek out more porn for comfort and we fall into an awful cycle. The solution is to go to the source of the problem and change our whole way of thinking.


This anon is hitting it, the fundamental problem is changing our mindset. We are living in a war of information, it's all psychology at this point. I cannot recommend the hackbook enough, but it is important to read it start to finish.

4f2450 No.555017


Touch your cock, reset the clock.

Nocturnal emission, continue the mission!

6862d8 No.555084

regular prayer reminds us that we are never alone but always in the presence of the lord and your holy mother.

you wouldnt do undignified things in the presence of the almighty and his mother would you ? well, then dont.


f6cbae No.555086


We need the BO to add a banner that says STOP TOUCHING PEEPEE

e520ee No.555775

File: 6993d72a5bd7027⋯.gif (1.07 MB, 300x100, 3:1, stop touching peepee.gif)

22b23e No.555807


d-day 5

9805fc No.555819

File: 22273f18af36ebc⋯.gif (1.86 MB, 228x170, 114:85, E5EE9722-5D73-47F9-8DE3-89….gif)


Day 4 struggling

d3f049 No.555822

Day 1 here. What am I in for?

21af5f No.555824


You get used to the strugger after a little while and then you don't have the struggle. Like having a beard and having it be itchy but it stops after a while.

I would say, try to aim for 3 months, that way your body will adapt to not doing it.

e520ee No.555828


3 months bruv? thats wild innit, only ever done 2 weeks yeah

22b23e No.555834

File: 44b5bfcb9bea73f⋯.jpg (576.88 KB, 1440x900, 8:5, 44b5bfcb9bea73f9a880e3d0fc….jpg)


The worst part is trying to suppress my immagination. There's always that moment where you start thinking about the girl you like, and you imagine hugging her or being innocently romantic with her, like a kiss on the cheek, or a kiss on the lips. Before you know it you're imagining the most degenerate stuff. That's how lust lures you in.

I was able to give up on smoking (I smoked like 30 cigarettes a day and went cold turkey, I had mild panic attacks for about 6 months after). I am not going to let my dick beat me either.

It does not help that I am depressed and have a lot of personal problems in my life that I keep putting off because my cronic anxiety is in the way, and my brain constantly wants some chemicals to alleviate the haunting thoughts and the bleak panic I get from thinking about my life.

I am going to make it though, I have to, for Christ.

So depression + loneliness + cronic anxiety + laziness = Saint Francis ora pro nobis

Got a lot to fix besides masturbation habits.

21af5f No.555850


>The worst part is trying to suppress my imagination.

Removing anything that conditions lewd thoughts, any anime, porn, manga or media that does this, and your thoughts should follow.

22b23e No.555892


it is hard because I have been chatting and skyping with a girl from a neighbouring country for many years, and we keep contact, and she is wife-material, so I end up thinking about her.

I also feel like whenever I try to pray, demons remind me of my sins and send bad pictures in my mind. Is there any prayer against that?

9805fc No.555959

File: c12a72dc98e78b1⋯.gif (1.51 MB, 640x360, 16:9, EAED9C0E-2BD1-4EAF-99AD-62….gif)


I was literally going to fap until I saw this it good to know your not the only one in the battle and this depression + loneliness + cronic anxiety + laziness same with me well I haven’t left the house for anyone in years I suffer with agoraphobic & Anthropophobia but we can beat this as long as we have Christ on our side

780615 No.556026

File: 0f26aad08f8cf49⋯.jpg (77.75 KB, 801x405, 89:45, IMG_2187.JPG)

abstained since friday morning. this is strangely easy ever since i confessed, tried getting into nofap content, and saw a truly virtuous girl at church. i havent pulled a streak this long in a while

22b23e No.556028

File: 99fa057413a71ca⋯.gif (31.3 KB, 306x306, 1:1, 1506635346490.gif)


>I was literally going to fap until I saw this

Thank you anon, being helpful to you cheered me up. I guess there are lots of people around here like you and me, we are on 8ch after all. But Christ is able to take good out of evil, and so here we are trying to conform ourselves to His Will, despite everything.

6862d8 No.556047

File: ba8732bfe92bb91⋯.jpg (490.44 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, SevenSorrowsoftheBlessedVi….jpg)

daily reminder

904919 No.556062

File: 967b6485f378743⋯.png (101.52 KB, 291x350, 291:350, ncv_getout_REEEE.png)

Reset to Day 4. I was consumed by my lust on Day 10. I lied down and evil thoughts of a certain qt3.14's magnificent body entered my mind. Bonus sin for her being married. 3x sin multiplier for her having several children.

Toward the end of it, I felt a surge of energy. Perhaps this is the natural way of things.


>We also note that the Easy-to-Read Version and the New Century Version in their present form consistently employ gender-neutral language, which has become something of a “red flag” to conservatives in recent years.



e520ee No.556081


jesus prayer

e520ee No.556622

File: acbd470b93b2f46⋯.webm (8.83 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Is_it_EXTREMELY_GAY_to_wa….webm)

21af5f No.556627

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

c88ac1 No.556768

Everytime I try to jackoff I have a panic attack.

ee3e10 No.557253

File: 37c7cdd42f422c1⋯.jpg (4.89 MB, 4000x3507, 4000:3507, Christ in the Wilderness -….jpg)

The amount of jealousy and hatred for one another that's formed from my friendship group's sexual habits with each other and sleeping around is absolutely saddening and borderline degenerate.

I weep for them and myself.

51447f No.557268

File: 31e4a84383f953c⋯.webm (2.54 MB, 320x240, 4:3, Screw you Porn addicts - ….webm)

5ed5ea No.557284



Oneities means he's fallen in love with one and only one girl.

a1f19e No.557290


So it's like a focused laser beam of lust.

cfba74 No.557941


e520ee No.558167

i keep having wet dreams. fucked

780615 No.558171

File: 37724fe66ae7cae⋯.jpg (93.57 KB, 540x540, 1:1, IMG_2185.JPG)


its been nearly a week. nofap is really really easy. you just have to deal with the initial intrusive thoughts of lust first. you have to stop yourself from even thinking about it. my sex drive feels nearly dead. maybe i'm not out of the woods just yet - its only been almost a week.

504437 No.558182

File: ae29a80ead2ec27⋯.jpeg (62.2 KB, 446x650, 223:325, St. Nectaios of Aegina.jpeg)

>We have within us deeply rooted weaknesses, passions, and defects. This can not all be cut out with one sharp motion, but patience, persistence, care and attention. The path leading to perfection is long. Pray to God so that he will strengthen you. Patiently accept your falls and, having stood up, immediately run to God, not remaining in that place where you have fallen. Do not despair if you keep falling into your old sins. Many of them are strong because they have received the force of habit. Only with the passage of time and with fervor will they be conquered. Don't let anything deprive you of hope.

We're all gonna make it, guys.

fa81e7 No.558263


It will spike in the second and third week, followed by a period of quiet usually. Then by seventh and eighth, it will be very daunting so to speak. According to most anecdotal hearsays.

417836 No.558440

I've been trying to stop fapping for so long but every time I think I'm on the right path I stumble and repeat the cycle over and over again. I keep looking at women as if they were sex objects. I want a serious relationship with a women but this sexual crave I have is stopping me from becoming what I really want to be. I really want to stop I really really do but I keep failing every single time! I'm trying something new to keep me from fapping but I'm scared it might not work. Please Christanons, I need your prayers and I will try my best to stop no matter what.

417836 No.558451


I pray for you fellow anon, and I ask you pray for me as well as I'm in the same boat as you.

e729db No.558461


thank you

afced3 No.558464


wet dreams are ok, in fact they help you keep libido down

e729db No.558465

I’m fucked but streaks keep getting longer. finally got double digits (10 days). Let’s get it

87bea6 No.558514


wow! this guy's a throwback! I used to watch his vids with my homies - who is he/what's his name again?

8b11ff No.558529

File: 47c91de83f634c8⋯.png (277.97 KB, 706x412, 353:206, 47c91de83f634c83fdb6fe2f10….png)


Why does Jesus wants to touch your fap hand

a1f19e No.558602

File: af04a86f012c6cc⋯.jpg (39.82 KB, 900x900, 1:1, upset toad.jpg)

what of the hindus LIED and celibacy doesnt make you stop aging?

Did I tie my foresknin to stop wet dreams in vain?

Will I still age like chad junior?

Reee sound. Might as well start smoking and drinking wine.

fa81e7 No.558982

File: c39fbc19b874307⋯.jpg (73.91 KB, 324x600, 27:50, c39fbc19b8743079e61a01e94f….jpg)

I have been persuading others along the way to drop porn and fapping altogether. Provided evidences, researches, and arguments behind it. Proved fruitless this time. But it strengthens my own course in dropping those altogether in the end after seeing the lengths people would go to protect porn, justifying media contents becoming more sexualised, and rationalising bad things altogether.

He know I have tried. I am horrified that porn takes over the world one day and became a norm. Damning untold souls both to the negative effects that porn has in this world, and to the fire and brimstone in the next.

Can I have a prayer to save them from the porn please?

aa92cc No.559050


So He can kindly slap you with it and say to you "Stop touching yourself! Stop touching yourself!"

01d06b No.559146

File: 19802ccc0684638⋯.png (35.85 KB, 399x388, 399:388, 1431717576474.png)

>few days ago

>failed after month long period of chastity

>wake up next day

>notice my medalion with virgin Mary and Jesus lying on the shelf

>I got it some time ago from my mother and was wearing it constantly

>remembered I took it off that day for some reason

really made me think

324a9f No.559166

I’m 3 weeks in. Let me tell you, find a personal devotion and let it guide you. This is the best I’ve ever felt and temptations are becoming weaker.

My devotion—Sacred Heart of Jesus. Think about the moment his life was conceived within Mary’s womb, the very first beat of our Lord’s heart. Think about how blood and water gushed when his heart was pierced so that you could take everything from it. https://www.fisheaters.com/sh.html

Find a devotion!

4c3784 No.559175

if I fap to my wife's naked pictures, am I sinning?

a2bf76 No.559280

4c3784 No.559292


w-why is that?

6862d8 No.559319

File: 96f68c4daf72dff⋯.png (25.85 KB, 396x400, 99:100, 1431956403585.png)


actually dont listen to >>559280

i mean, think about it. if it alredy is fornification to look at a woman in lust (pornography), then doesnt it also mean that looking at your wife in lust is marital sex ?

sin doesnt only go in one way, it needs a counterpart right ? i guess that would be it.

f773fb No.559323


That carnal lust does not go into actually having sex with wife. It go into saking lusts for lusts sake.

4c3784 No.559332


goddamn, being a Christian is so hard. If I keep this lust, I might end up hardcore sexing my wife.

Let me guess to, were not supposed to see each other's genitalia? Were supposed to do it in a blanket and our eyes closed?


6862d8 No.559345


just go wild m8, she is supposed to please you to the extent you are able to provide with a clear mind. just keep the consequences of eventual pregnancy in mind, you dont wanna get cast down like Onan by pulling out, do you ?

f773fb No.559370


Pretty much this, why we marry and enjoy it. Be fruitful and multiply (when you are ready).

eaa086 No.559401



a1f19e No.559424


>you dont wanna get cast down like Onan by pulling out, do you ?

Why are some catholic LAYMEN so keen in threatening the others?

e11317 No.559430


lol thats the guy nice one fam

68ae3c No.559432


Don't listen to >>559319

Fapping is always a sin.

4c3784 No.559488


if my wife faps me is it also a sin?

f773fb No.559538


Satiating lust for lusts sake is a sin. Satiating lust should be done for procreation.

68ae3c No.559634


As means of stimulation before you ejaculate into her vagina? No.

As a means to empty your sack? Yes.

fd9a84 No.559647

Just going to mention that I find that a rubberband kept around the wrist is very helpful in getting one's mind off of smut. A few solid smacks of it is more than distracting, and its not actually that painful.

e11317 No.559715


I've heard about this tactic, but I've always been deebly goncerned it would make your brain associate sexy time thoughts with pain, further messing you up in some way, even when it came to sexy teiming ur wife?

fd9a84 No.559730


I hadn't thought of that, I suppose if you start getting such feelings then a new method might become necessary? I'll certainly keep you lot updated as I continue and let you know if I start noticing such feelings.

f5d14b No.559770

File: 98c8b8ab98a9536⋯.png (646.83 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, Snort.png)


>you dont wanna get cast down like Onan by pulling out, do you ?

Onan was cast down for disobeying God's order to impregnate a woman, not for "masturbating".

e7a65e No.560264


>I'll certainly keep you lot updated

please do m8

6e2481 No.560319

File: 1e5db972a11d30c⋯.png (224.24 KB, 1142x1635, 1142:1635, no fap.png)

File: a6bd49a8ffb6f55⋯.png (138.97 KB, 877x2078, 877:2078, nofap3.png)

File: 5cdf0aa2bf66c6c⋯.png (199.79 KB, 784x763, 112:109, nofap2.png)

I'm surprised no one posted these yet

If you have any trouble with nofap, remember to read at least one of these after a session, pray at least twice a day, keep a cross near you or your house if you for some reason don't already, and when an urge pops up, visually it as a demon which you beat the fuck out of until it dies (which I suppose it sort of is)

27cb86 No.560326


You're in for a long journey my friend

a1f19e No.560332

File: 34c7a61148dd228⋯.jpg (3.13 KB, 274x184, 137:92, mfw.jpg)

not even known what day iam now, i sleep most of the day.

I'm very sad, and at power's end.

Will I fornicate now?

I dont avoid it becasue of flimsy morality,rather, I dont want to stick even my pinky finger in the nostril of a creature such as a woman. My mysogny is the only fuel that powers me now.

762627 No.560334

File: 10173d602f81865⋯.png (111.33 KB, 403x456, 403:456, d602f81865252f572cbba04f10….png)


>My mysogny is the only fuel that powers me now.

Have you tried asking the Holy Spirit for help instead of destroying your mind?

a1f19e No.560338


. Luther observed that "Women … have but small and narrow chests, and broad hips, to the end that they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children".

In the words of the Anglican marriage service a married couple were one flesh, and the canon lawyers held them to be a single person: erunt animae duae in carne una.

The very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least is incorporated and consolidated into that of her husband

a1f19e No.560343

File: 34bf028c152ea28⋯.jpg (101.97 KB, 600x801, 200:267, image045.jpg)


Is it true or or is it a lie that you need 18 months for complete recovery??

i fapepd for 7 years now im 14 months clean.

How much until im fully reborn?

6862d8 No.560502

File: 667595a42268608⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 79.13 KB, 800x600, 4:3, delet_1.jpg)


>unironically posts freemasonry

baa6ec No.560551


>I have been persuading others along the way to drop porn and fapping altogether. Provided evidences, researches, and arguments behind it. Proved fruitless this time.

You are asking to much. You expect people to become sinless over night.

You will be much more successful with your testimonials, if you focus on porn only and don't even touch the subject of masturbation.

People need to start somewhere and do baby steps towards less sin.

So start with attacking the everlasting stream of sin from the Internet and what it does to the brain.

To get somewhere people need to build a new habit, which takes at least 90 days. That first habit is to stop visiting Internet porn sites. Not stopping porn and masturbation over night altogether.

Then you look what is left of porn consumption and turn it towards more modest material. Encourage people to look at dressed women instead of naked ones for example. Over time the brain adjusts and gets disgusted by the really degenerate stuff you find everywhere now.

At some point you got rid of porn completely, you can now go after masturbation, but in many cases people then give it up on their own.

6862d8 No.560575


this is an important advise even for those who attempt to do it cold turkey and then inneveteably stumble, that is not to relapse 100% but maybe 75% and not to go back to their hardcore fetish sites but instead sin more modestly.

Having alredy initiated sin is not an excuse to go wild and all out on it as in "huehue, the damage is done. time to indulge to my hearts content before i repent later". remember, it is out of love for god that we do not offend him.

e351dc No.561543

I keep going to mass and not recieving communion. I keep telling myself I'll wait until I've managed to quit before going to confession.

Anyone else do this?

f6cbae No.561553


Just go to confession, lad. The Eucharist is meant to be the medicine for our soul. How can you expect to stop sinning if you don't let God help you?

e351dc No.561557


I would feel strange telling my priest every other day about how I can't stop fapping. Besides, if I fapped on Saturday, I can't recieve communion on Sundays because I won't be able to get to confession in time, though this is a defeatist attitude because it's like I know I'll be fapping on Saturday.

I can't help myself and don't want my priest knowing every other week I'm coming to confession, only to do it again and then come back to confession again.

780615 No.561568

File: d70d6365c3961c8⋯.png (46.77 KB, 600x600, 1:1, IMG_2060.PNG)


day 12 or 13 i think. cant remmeber when i stopped. if i had to rate the first week's difficulty it would be a 1/10, this week is 2/10. kinda sad i didnt do this before but im glad i figured out how to stop. i feel nothing, none of these "superpowers" the redditors claim are real. but that's not the reason im doing this. im hoping this is a permanent change especially with how easy it is so far.

a1f19e No.561641

File: 160070fceebc523⋯.jpg (20.42 KB, 480x360, 4:3, eamego.jpg)

not being edgy but I dont feel the least need to report or tell any mere laymen anything,just the appointed clergy.

I now view this thread as pointless and a circle-jerl

you can do it lads,keep on,mobe on

a1f19e No.561646


you beed at least 2 months for superpowers

52f5f3 No.561924





Think about what God made you to do, in relation to sex, for baby making, foreplay is probably ok, It helps set in the mood, and gets the organs working well, but straight up oral sex is a definite no

5c3f32 No.561956


Get over this mindset Anon, you're giving up the body and blood of our Lord every week due to your apprehension of Confession.

You need to start working on beating fapping, try next time to literally drop down on to your knees and start praying the moment you see yourself coming into your pre-fap routine.

Promise yourself you'll do it. And do it.

You can overcome it, pray for strength.

>This coming from a guy who used to fap 3-5 times a day for about 5 years

>I've fucked up once this year after going 6 months

>Almost on 6 months again and going for 2018 and onwards no fap.

Its achievable through Christ.

a1f19e No.562108

File: 267da8b3e848cb5⋯.jpg (213.78 KB, 1300x1800, 13:18, suffering.jpg)

389 days

1ecfb6 No.562135

If I uses a psychological trick to help through, am I cheating? I saw picture in the video of the Gregorian monk chanting. They looked so holy and peaceful in their standing praying motion.

I started to imitate their stance by standing and clapping my hands together in the manner of praying shortly, to remind and alert myself to my senses every time I am tempted. Is this bad?

a1f19e No.562141


you just created catholic yoga

1ecfb6 No.562148


Eh? I thought it is a normal 'Routine', a common psychological trick. An emotion reset button that athletes or others like singers and actors uses to calm their nerve. Finding a comfortable movement or motion and being relaxed by it; and then connect between the 'action' and 'relaxed state'. Some do touch the back of their neck, some touch their cheek, and so on.

ce851b No.562236

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Faceberg thot caused me to ruin my 15 day streak. Gotta stay off that evil site.

a610b7 No.562363


Stay off permanently from that wretched hive, bro. Burn bridges if you have to. New associates and businesses are easier to recovery and find than your sanity.

a1f19e No.562443


thats actually a theologically accurate song,he's going to hell because he did bad stuff and his friends will be there to

d441d5 No.562475


you should confess

most holy fathers would say that you noticing that you're sinful is a good thing, somtimes sins just bring us down to earth and save us from humility

not that we shouldn't fight with them, but it is also a sin not to trust in the mercy of God and not repent... that's what Judas did, if he had repented and changed his ways he would have been accepted by God, but since he went into despair and hanged himself he was destined to hell... God forgives us if we repent. If you have trouble with fighting that sin then confess, it's not that the priest will give you some trick to fight it that you won't find in patristic literature, but it's the shame that kind of works

also, we fight sin as long as we are alive -- i think it was John of the Ladder that said "do not trust the flesh until it's laid in a coffin and put six feet under" or something like that... many saints have fought this sin and lost many times, but what's important is that they picked them selves up again for a rematch. Good luck and god bless

d441d5 No.562476


>sometimes sins just bring us down to earth and save us from humility

oops, i meant "save us from pride"… especially those that are more obvious and visible, like masturbation

68ae3c No.563215

File: cc395f3bfa16152⋯.jpg (23.7 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 1436140800524.jpg)








9805fc No.563241

File: b5666dc782eee6a⋯.gif (113.87 KB, 307x307, 1:1, F7FE2A80-CFDA-412E-A2D3-30….gif)

Is god less angry when you fap to something dirty, then actually doing the dirty deed

41eabc No.563494

File: b29ef328f8c656d⋯.png (151.04 KB, 421x500, 421:500, woooh.png)

I failed today

Pride and shameful lusts got me.

It was a good run, but it ended very tragically

Hmmm , many are the afflictions of the righteous but the lord delivers them from them all

9805fc No.563517


How long did you last

19f634 No.563553

Relapsed on day 91.

Feeling pretty down about it, but thankfully by midnight tonight I'll be back on day 1. Just gotta keep moving. My advice for people in a similar situation: DON'T underestimate the power of lust. I forgot how powerful the urges could be, all it took was some Instagram and I was sucked back into the nexus of pornography.

6b44a9 No.563554


>releasing your energy after 91 days

is your ceiling okay?

ef49e9 No.563562

struggling lads. after many years of habitually doing it, it's harder to stop than it should be. I failed today, but that was after 4 days off. Before that I could manage 2 at the most. I just need to keep trying to push it longer and longer and working out to release dopamine in a different way to rewire my brain.


>Relapsed on day 91.

RIP your balls

789915 No.563572

File: 5afe1e5554741dc⋯.jpg (276.92 KB, 870x790, 87:79, 5afe1e5554741dcf3bb0fe290e….jpg)

6 months with change.

I feel a lot more alive than I did before, but mostly angry. A LOT angrier. Also comes with a far greater respect for God. I smile more and make sure to say thanks for the little things, be they seeing the Big Dipper when I go outside at night or a tranquil foggy morning on the drive to church.

You can do it. You can do it without having to hit rock bottom and forcibly break your trowel to prevent from digging further. Just believe and the Lord will help you.

Psalm 37.

41eabc No.564039


I lasted 33 weeks , 2 days (233 days in total), 4 hours and 48 minutes., Longest I have ever gone

I advise NEVER edging, I felt the best when I was not touching it at all, but the last month I could not get out the habit. I got what I deserved

6862d8 No.564098

File: c88cbf5c553bd8b⋯.jpg (31.84 KB, 596x650, 298:325, c88cbf5c553bd8b1e4f8fbed36….jpg)

>look for a way to avoid masturbating

>start playing completely sterile strategy game thats rated childfriendly

>open diplomacy screen

>fail your nofap streak over the animated portrait of catherine the great

My T levels got far too crazy i would get horny over a well looking tree thats how bad it was. maybe i should cut out the roasted pumpkin seeds.

now im on a streak again for almost a week.

aea039 No.564128

File: 33a5e81c7e25cd8⋯.jpg (10.36 KB, 236x170, 118:85, 0f6bb52a818b57f6cf4f96a343….jpg)

just dropping this dudes

what matters is getting up, not never failing

d6d6b8 No.564315

File: b4e2d3764c66664⋯.jpg (312.37 KB, 1512x1272, 63:53, chair.jpg)

File: e3c10e208282bae⋯.jpg (25.48 KB, 450x320, 45:32, 1457230436592.jpg)

File: 75d2b03604e0302⋯.jpg (122.13 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 11.jpg)

>Day 0 once again

6c6354 No.564362

Day 70. Talking to girls made it surprisingly easier.

e7b5b1 No.564364

After countless months of nofap I relapsed. I fapped once. And then again, and again. I can't stop it now, and it's been going on for weeks. Today, I fapped to the most degenerate gay trap porn you can imagine.

I feel like I'm lost and damned, unworthy of His grace and forgiveness. I feel like he gave up on me because I'm a disappointment. I'm at the bottom now and I don't know how to get back up. I pray for forgiveness and inner strength but I don't feel it.

What do I do now?

6c6354 No.564365


Pray. Pray the rosary. Talk to someone. Go to adoration. Pray some more. Pray, pray, pray pray pray. God will help you, brother, it just takes time.

a1f19e No.564412

File: f1531c5eb803c36⋯.jpg (178.86 KB, 851x939, 851:939, the_7_homunculi__fullmetal….jpg)

Starting /nowrath/ and /nosloth/ to avoid focusing and giving too much importance to masterbution

aa92cc No.564464


I always fail these two…I think my biggest issue is how little I think of myself, how much I hate myself.

ef49e9 No.565012


Day 4 and going strong. It's going to be a struggle from here on out. Pray for me brothers.


I went on an organic diet and cut out estrogen rich foods. I don't know if it was a placebo effect, but I was much hornier and would lust of every girl not dressed in full legnth clothes.

51a7b5 No.565081

I'm currently almost at day 5 of nofap, however have looked at a decent amount of porn. I will confess that over these last few days I have seriously been weakened in my faith a number of times. Each time I felt a strong urge to look at pornography, ended up looking at pornography, felt as if my faith was too weak to ever overcome this addiction, and come close even to apostasy. Each time however I have been reminded of the hope that Christ offers us and I have broke down in tears. On one hand I feel absolutely terrible that this has happened multiple times in a span of days, while on the other hand I have been glad that so far I have been unable to give up on believing in Christ. I also have yet to masturbate, though I would indeed say that some of the despairing thoughts that have gone through my head have been worse than masturbation. I know now that my only real option here is total abstinence from all sexual immorality and instead putting all my faith in Christ.

2ee972 No.565084


Every time I feel an urge I keep repeating the Jesus prayer, or Kyrie Eleison, just focus on praying without stopping until your urge is gone. I'm only at the beginning of my streak but it works well for the moment.

0e57c4 No.565090

Day one following a relapse after 3 weeks. Again I say, again.

1ef9ac No.565136


I tried going on nofap over the summer, recently, but it was relentlessly difficult. I think my best streak was a week. I had tried nofap earlier that year, before I found God, but my longest streak then was about two weeks. I let myself get demoralized for a little while, thinking I was a slave to my urges, but I broke out of that and kept trying. I'm on day 70 something, now.

You can do it.

a1f19e No.565206


it IS placebo effecto.

Organic food is an unscientific meme.

4c520f No.565247

File: 82cb37d9a11afc0⋯.png (621 KB, 1196x945, 1196:945, 0d6192a3aa16546ef3295af8e5….png)

Day 0 again, pray for me please.

Every time i do it it becomes even harder to not do it again please help.

a1f19e No.565310

File: fc8f53a1b75676e⋯.jpg (55.25 KB, 580x387, 580:387, callus4.jpg)

i stop being proud and admit one day I will fail and fornicate using a condom,which is essentially masturbation.

today is not that day.

f6cbae No.565386

File: 176bd4f81220f60⋯.gif (646.72 KB, 496x510, 248:255, 1460524382740.gif)

So, nofap November is over almost over now. Didn't make it through the whole month but at least I've made progress. Only one month left until nofap 2018 bois…


e520ee No.565426

fasting is cheat code

ce0f94 No.565442


Caffeine increases testosterone production iirc.

Test increases sex drive.

I wish I were dead. Day 1 and it's after another day 1 that ended with 3 faps. Maybe it's because I'm really stressed atm. Especially when money is tight and rubbing your dick is a free activity that releases dopamine.

ce0f94 No.565443


No it's not, read again.

It wasn't just organic he changed.

a1f19e No.565444


TBQH wouldn't test make you more manly and,thus,more prone to the FIGHT against sex drive?

slowly becoming an eunuch isn't our goal is it?

Otherwise let's start with the soy.

27eb85 No.565466


But testosterone makes you more resilient to stress though. Low test just makes you feel powerless and depressed, rationalizing external factors for moral failure.

What you need is to be free from this bondage, and you know who paid your ransom? Jesus Christ.

98e094 No.565617

literally how the fuck do you stop masturbating i hate having to go to confession for the same thing every time. I wish i had never started in the first place

d2c555 No.565907

File: e48d99069cbc387⋯.jpg (618.07 KB, 1037x1597, 1037:1597, 1510252518252.jpg)

Went to 4 /soc/ yesterday, which almost ended in disaster, but I overcame, and the streak lives on. Godspeed on your journey fellow anons!

e520ee No.566557


do you have a unused version? thanks

43202d No.566570

almost seven months in, all other sins are still rampant. Well, at least I am not doing this one…

a1f19e No.567525

File: 39807adac1d6a10⋯.png (6.97 KB, 230x219, 230:219, sad.png)

I want to seek death,im sick of it all.

i DO desire to fornicate,but alas!my "jiminy cricket" tells me not to do so.

is it REALLY wrong to seek death but without suicide? Like, extreme sports,undergoing long fasts in the cold, so on.

such cases ;_;

a1f19e No.567526



only Jesus, human effort will fail no matter what.

i lost my year+nofap,im not salty,im not proud anymore.

before I sinned of pride.

Now im better than before. i am happy actually guys.

b8e2ad No.567686


What about songs of songs?>>561924

ce3193 No.567705

File: 2a2427303bafbf1⋯.jpg (10.21 KB, 220x110, 2:1, 220px-Dionysus_Qingdao_bee….jpg)


Suicide is worse than fornication. It like totally sucks and will ruin your day.

Just Man Up and Git Gud at life.

6862d8 No.567771

for those of you who are like "no horny sex with wife allowed, only procreation"

remember that it was believed for millenia that women ovulate upon climax and its sinfull for her not to orgasm.

Just do whats necessarry for both of you to get through your life without wanting to fornicate to porn.

b7ae04 No.567773


what about long-term girlfriends?

6862d8 No.567788


well, just marry her dude.

and if youre both some lowlife folks who dont want the ceremony or the officiality. giving yourself a promise before god still is a marriage, the priest is just a witness unnecessary to the sacrament.

d61f31 No.567789


I'm fine with this post by itself, but take off that flag.

a1f19e No.567831


It was belived for millenia that semen was the life forced and indeed alive.

Should we start fapping too?

01d06b No.567861



845510 No.567876

File: c6a900c599f805a⋯.mp4 (2.08 MB, 720x720, 1:1, feminism is cancer.mp4)



cabc71 No.568277

File: 71ebf068a2fc872⋯.jpg (21.41 KB, 320x320, 1:1, 5Ufm8EB.jpg)

How do you stop the allure of literal satanic porn? I do really good for a week or two and then I start getting curious and looking then next thing I know I'm fapping to witches and stuff.

Pic related, how I feel

f814c8 No.568956

File: 60cb1ff7aabe7ca⋯.jpg (990.4 KB, 1037x1597, 1037:1597, b1cf8n0slu5z.jpg)

Phase 1 begin tomorrow… Pray for me please, be courageous those who're trying to overcome this hell of an addiction.

fc4f47 No.568976


I've had some success with a simple crucifix necklace; it's difficult to justify the act when there's a strong reminder as soon as you look down when the urge hits you.

f814c8 No.568982


If you feel an urge you should keep repeating the Jesus Prayer. I want to thanks orthobros for learning me this.

1ceb83 No.568989


stop doing it. Just stop.

Dont let lust control you please anon

you dont know how close you are to satanism

68ae3c No.569191

File: 3a95d70580bc046⋯.jpg (48.13 KB, 640x800, 4:5, 5781391 _90b28149211fa3691….jpg)

>Going good 2 weeks in

>Everything is going great, not many temptations and the ones that were were easy to resist


>Bad night, could not sleep whatsoever

>Start getting mad in the head due to stress and sleeplessness


>Then fap the next day

I need prayers.

068827 No.569324

Day 10

I think Ive made it lads. Temptations are still there but easy to shrug off and ignore.

Thank you for your prayers.

531b01 No.569533

I'm on Day 8 and despite going on porn sites, I resisted fapping, it is a struggle and I have been forcing myself to close the tabs I eagerly wish to see and want to fap to, I feel like I am in a dual with demons at this point, we are stangling each other, and I have not to die, but to continue my fight and purge my mind of sinful urges.

God help me.

531b01 No.569535



anyone got the original?

f814c8 No.569558

File: 2e2b64058666234⋯.jpg (560.21 KB, 1037x1597, 1037:1597, b1cf8n0slu5z.jpg)


Here brother

00ac8e No.569588


Don't let your guard down. I've had much longer streaks which have ended due to a lack of vigilance. If you are not frequently keeping the goal in mind, you'll be caught unawares by an urge out of nowhere and you won't have the mental energy ready to resist it. You'll need to go a good couple of months before you can start to relax.

5291e0 No.569634

I've noticed that I often get sick after I go on a masturbation streak. It makes sense, because similar to the way you get sick from the cold, your body suddenly starts using a lot of extra energy in a certain way, letting your immune system become vulnerable. With the dramatically increased heartrate and whatnot, it's like the inside of your body can't keep up its defenses at the same time as maintaining that.

Also, it's a waste of energy that will make you exhausted with no benefit.

c3b1a8 No.569638


bretty sure getting sick from being cold is a meme despite what you're saying making sense

f831cd No.569862


day 0

e912d3 No.569870


>tfw I came to this thread to try to find answers to this exact question, was suprised to see this post on the topic, only to remember that I made this post

feels bad man.

e912d3 No.569873


don't post provocative animes in the no fap thread, you fool

7a8615 No.569936





4ee2ab No.570163

File: 437d4f5048f27ee⋯.png (247.94 KB, 1066x600, 533:300, 1512665839370.png)

e520ee No.570168


me on the right

a1f19e No.570237

File: b65a3bb7775f0e1⋯.jpg (66.98 KB, 600x374, 300:187, KeefeM20101107.jpg)

I dont wanna avoid the resp. but i failed nofap since being prescribed meds.

they make me very anxious and gave me insonmia but my family forces me to take them.

068827 No.570280

Reached day 11, broke now time to reset. Pray for me brothers I thought I could do better than this

6862d8 No.570313

File: 5a47a797ad2f150⋯.jpg (135.62 KB, 575x718, 575:718, C9vYFf7XsAUIl0d.jpg)

All youve gotta do is not watch porn *today*

stop counting the days, the goal is to have a streak that needs not be counted for it has no end.

cca690 No.570331

File: f20133dcdb9dc15⋯.jpg (103.35 KB, 1223x1240, 1223:1240, 1476234770682.jpg)

Fellas how do I stop looking at women with lust in my heart? How do I stop entertaining temptation?

a2bf76 No.570428


I'd say that the best remedy for avoiding lust-look is to pray, avoid thots with slutty clothes, and respect women™ more.

Though seriously, viewing them as respectfully as possible, putting them above yourself will be helpful.

For temptation, there is no remedy. It slows down the less you sin but you'll never be away from it. You'll just have to learn to deal with it in a safe way.

5489f5 No.570484

File: 6b4cb53edb60263⋯.jpg (932.9 KB, 915x612, 305:204, John Paul Dreadnought.jpg)

A bit worried currently, I'm only on day 6 after my last streak went on the longest it has so far. The urges have remained pretty constant but so far I have not given in. What troubles me is that a girl from my work has a crush on me and I'm unsure whether to pursue her when my urges are so strong. Advice?

0df728 No.570554

Ended up relapsing after over a month with no issues; the only thing that makes it all worse was this wasn't but maybe two or three after my morning prayers.

All it took was discovering a few old lewd images saved on an old laptop.

I am burning with shame.

0df728 No.570555


two or three hours after*

b78661 No.570615


Last time I had a relationship with a girl and I truly fell in love with her, my urge to fap completely died and all I wanted was to be with her. Just don't fuck her before you marry her.

b78661 No.570617


Just learn from your mistakes and keep cleaning away the temptation form those dark corners, brother.

532c68 No.571055


Any recommendations for specific foods or supplements to inhibit libido?

f17f41 No.571068

File: 682d714f8f56864⋯.jpg (102.33 KB, 749x750, 749:750, fuck.jpg)


>And Mecca will be destroyed by natural disasters, and each time muhammadens rebuild it it will be destroyed again within a couple of months. Forever.

A man can truly dream. This is a very motivational post for nofap.

cabc71 No.571154




Thanks bros.

Its been over a week now and I've turned down my urges and avoided mortal sin. I'm doing good so far.

f45794 No.571162



How about I raise you a /nofap forever/?

37c32c No.571207

File: fd70229456da101⋯.jpg (39.4 KB, 817x460, 817:460, 5782096b492c449553e737bb74….jpg)

Day 3 lads.

1f6283 No.571259

File: 16153d8ecff505f⋯.jpg (67.33 KB, 396x479, 396:479, Grievance Pattern.jpg)

Someone please pray for me, I've been very on edge lately.

a1f19e No.571279

File: 5712c9eff77018e⋯.png (1.74 MB, 946x611, 946:611, 1512776343368.png)

is it bad to over-indulge a bit in food so Im dopamine'd and I dont want to fap any more?

81367c No.571283


Me too brother

a2bf76 No.571349


No. Gluttony is just as much a sin as fapping.

026af6 No.571361


That's even worse for you. The Church Fathers and many other saints recommend against this, because there is a strong link between a full belly and sexual desire.

Basically, if you eat a lot, you will feel more disposed to lust.

f831cd No.571380


might as well lift if you're into the dopamine/endorphin rush. i've been doing it, it helps so long as there's a minimum amount of qts in the gym

f1417b No.571393

File: cd9bc783ff7b932⋯.jpg (80.74 KB, 900x900, 1:1, cd9bc783ff7b9325e17aba8012….jpg)

>Take a nap

>Get attacked with lewd dreams

>Wake up with buckets of cum in my pants


1f6283 No.571395

File: e68f437ebfb72a8⋯.jpg (54.02 KB, 452x524, 113:131, No sleep.jpg)


Wet dreams don't count, you're still fine.

9ae39c No.571401


>wet dreams don't count

they do if you enjoy them

baa6ec No.571404


You're sinning if you're awake and looking at someone with lust, not by dreaming.

Nocturnal emissions are a natural body function. If you don't want to ruin your (bed)clothes during sleep, get rid of your fluids once a week.

And remember: Not looking at filth is goal, everything else is a side quest.

b1c3fc No.571405

File: c7d6fc06bd76957⋯.mp4 (10.47 MB, 480x360, 4:3, Ted Bundy on Porn.mp4)

baa6ec No.571406


>they do if you enjoy them

And if you're enjoying them and don't remember them? Because that's what happens with 95 % of your dreams.

You could dream of gay orgies every night and not even know it, unless someone wakes you up right in the middle of it.

baa6ec No.571407


>executed on the electric chair

That hit me unexpected. I forgot how brutal America is.

cabc71 No.571410




Seriously though what's the theology on sexual dreams? I took a nap today and I was aware of God in the dream and that the lesbian scene unfolding was bad but I watched then went to break it up and then I woke up.

b1c3fc No.571422

File: 1619eeb14d06665⋯.mp4 (13.39 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, spirit.mp4)


Practice discerning, knowing and loving the spirit in everything good. Think about what a good woman actually is and how she rightly serves God; focus on loving this and in doing so you love God.

When you focus on flesh instead you are dragging the spirit downwards to the material world and degrading it.

1f6283 No.571440

File: 2f3b1bd130677c6⋯.jpg (6.71 KB, 163x157, 163:157, Save Me.jpg)


What am I watching

f831cd No.571444


its an arthouse meme made by a pollack a while ago, murdoch murdoch i believe

3733dd No.571455

File: 81de5a122080971⋯.png (11.77 KB, 340x277, 340:277, Untitled.png)

>Go to college gym

>Physically can't look in any direction without seeing some girl in those completely transparent mesh tights doing ass exercises

>Have semi (at least) for the entire duration of workout



1f6283 No.571461

File: 41c93cacff1d6a5⋯.png (39.24 KB, 492x161, 492:161, Physically and Mentally.PNG)

Well shoot, I got tempted and failed lads. Here we go again.

Quick reminder if you haven't already, turn off trending boards in the options. You'll be less tempted to check out the porn boards that pop up frequently.

f17f41 No.571491

File: d82847bcaa37645⋯.png (267.78 KB, 750x750, 1:1, I'm blessed.png)


One way to go nofap forever is not by going cold turkey immediately, let alone having that mentally makes you relapse very easy. Instead you shall do it less frequently over time. Like a drug addict, you decrease every time you intoxicate yourself. By not masturbating, how about you start with doing it only once a week for two up to 4 weeks, then once every 3 weeks for 6 weeks, and then after that period try to abstain as long as you can. What I noticed during my journey, is that I felt completely emotionally detached and independent during masturbating after almost 4 weeks - it was just a physical urge to release pressure.

Of course, it doesn't help that it is the norm that women are allowed to and do dress like harlots, but as I said, you start to detach yourself emotionally from your sexual urges, so even a lot of shown skin or skin tight clothes won't do nothing for you. Especially, if you consider that women who dress like that - which are apporximately 96 % of our contemporaries - only do so because they have nothing else to offer. So, why lust over them?

c3b1a8 No.571509


>turn off trending boards in the options

ah! Thanks for this tip I had no idea you could turn them off! They have caused me to stumble previously

845510 No.571517

File: 4dbe602bb29022d⋯.png (934.22 KB, 847x1200, 847:1200, 4dbe602bb29022d7d42c97677d….png)

>Tfw you begin to reach the point of rationally and emotionally understanding that masturbation is a pure waste of time and effort, is messing around with your brain chemisty, leaves you with an unfulfilled life as you are simply filling up the giant gaps in your life with hedonistic self sex

>When you watch some 3D porn and can only feel pity for that woman as that could be anyone's daughter and imagine how much anguish it would cause if it were your daughter whoring herself out for money

e912d3 No.571529

File: 77f99c031a00600⋯.gif (68.33 KB, 113x162, 113:162, Spurdo.gif)


I'm glad for you, bro, but you should be careful because the whole "I don't feel anything while i fap so its fine" is probably a lie by satan. It's still a sin, even if you don't feel anything! Keep strong and fight those demons!

5f3e45 No.571539

Remember guys, fapping is an addiction. I know it's hard to kick, and I'm right there with you. I have other addictions as well. Just remember to keep trying and show yourself some respect. You're not defined by sin.

725b97 No.571543


Considering these quotes OP, and others please chime in. Why are men circumcised from their natural state? I want honest answers. Even if they are not tied to scripture. If they are I want to know why would this be done?

725b97 No.571545


Outside of the material world, what of the non material world, I assume you mean up above, could confidently convince us to believe in it? If I said that what I see mocks me from above, why is that?

76e536 No.571597


Good post, mate. Though relatively small in numbers, but some people outside our faith dropped real-life porn already for those reason. The bad news is that they are driven towards 2D instead and still continue their usual routine. At least if the real-life porn industry dies, no daughters or sisters of anyone will be subjected to it any longer.

bc1a18 No.571601


St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas say wet dreams are not sins, but suggest ablution (immersion in cool water) and prayers for God to help alleviate the carnal urges. If you believe in succubi you could ask for protection against them as well; affixing a crucifix near you sleep and saying a prayer before bed should help.

The Old Testament had similar ideas on wet dreams but extended it to all sex, as it was seen as a necessary but unclean act.


It was originally a mark signifying the covenant with God, but it is now obsolete with the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus. Baptism has largely replaced the practice.


God does not like to show Himself clearly because of concerns of free will; for this reason he usually shows Himself in some way or form through the faithful. Learning to listen and practicing prayer are excellent steps towards having more experiences with God. Consider for a moment that the prophets and theological figures of old thought of God much more than you or I, hence why they seemed to talk with Him so much. Cultivating piety is always a net benefit.


You may be right; I don't know you so perhaps judgements against your 'freakishness' will fall deaf. I do feel, if you really wanted to, that changing and redefining yourself into something that glorifies God rather than sin is perfectly possible.

e93308 No.571603

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>see only other men

Michael Voris suggests that about half of the clergy are attracted to men.

7adee5 No.571621


Boy you could cut my dick and hands, and kill my libido with Progesterone or whatever drugs you have and I will still be a demon child.

I sin were it counts, in the mind (heart).

00ac8e No.571639


There is no such thing as addiction. What should be understood when people use the term 'addiction' is a lack of willpower. The term is used to transfer responsibility for your wickedness onto some nebulous external, and conveniently intangible force: 'It's not my fault - I'm an addict!,' 'Addiction made me do it!' This is a particularly poor position for a religious person to take given the fundamental importance of your individual soul and the choices you make as a free being in the Christian worldview. The only excuse for it which I can perceive is a misreading of Augustine's City of God:

>Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.

But what Augustine is saying here is not that you bear no responsibility for your vices because you are a slave to them, but rather that true, positive freedom must always come from within: from the unshackling of the soul from the vices which weigh it down. You are not fighting against 'addiction' when you try to stop masturbating for good, but rather against your own selfishness and hedonism.

7adee5 No.571651


>addiction made me do it

Well people here always are telling me Demons tell me to do lots of things, while I argue I do it by my own since I enjoy evil. Plenty of Christians also say:

>Satan made me do it!

00ac8e No.571662


And they are equally un-Christian things to say. People will always look for a way out, whether they are religious or not, so they don't have to admit to themselves or to others that they have failed.

f831cd No.571666


They certainly influence you, but you are the one responsible for it in the end. That's why YOU must make amends to fix things, YOU must confess, YOU must repent, etc.

a1f19e No.571667

File: f196805f5b92af9⋯.png (154.23 KB, 243x439, 243:439, bluro.png)


>cold water

honestly not a good idea, cold water increases testosterone,thats why soviet lifters used to freeze their ballsack before the competititon.

0df728 No.571669

File: ed718c5ea3afc20⋯.png (336.49 KB, 501x919, 501:919, ed718c5ea3afc205b1d3ba060a….png)


>soviet lifters used to freeze their ballsack before competition

a1f19e No.571670


They seem to have been succesful,judging by their rack of medals.

f831cd No.571672


Being well-rested, eating right, and working out probably has a better effect on testosterone production than cold water therapy.


They also spent plenty of time researching ways of doping through the Olympics without getting caught during the 70s and 80s, the height of their Olympic dominance. Not to say we weren't either, but still.

f17f41 No.571674

File: 32428b432239894⋯.png (5.19 KB, 645x773, 645:773, a_good_feel_for_once_wojak.png)


>but you should be careful because the whole "I don't feel anything while i fap so its fine" is probably a lie by satan

Worry not, anon, because I haven't explained myself properly: the emotional detachment you experience when masturbating after long abistinence is a reassurance to not masturbate again, because there is no emotional/dopamine dependence anymore, as God intended.

7adee5 No.571677


I have failed, I haven't sinned just enough, and the reason is… that God is interfering with my free will to be evil, I haven't drawn cartoons in years, but the spirit is still willing.

Why would Satan prevent me to sin?

f831cd No.571679


Perhaps that's a sign that you're desire for evil is ill-conceived.

a1f19e No.571683

File: 2860f72b28890bd⋯.jpg (31.76 KB, 382x293, 382:293, 73883c75838e90c478661b1faf….jpg)

was Origen ever formally condenmed for cutting off his balls or just generally bashed?

Im kinda desperate, considering a diet of soy at the very least

3a90eb No.571698


pray nibba


All your material actions will be fruitless, only prayer and love for God will help

f831cd No.571710


Sexual morality is a test of the mind over the body, not of the body over the body. >>571698 This man knows what he's talking about.

a1f19e No.571724



well, i guess il stop being stubborn and grab the rosary all day.

>just for the record, I did asceticism, going without food or sleep,burning fingers and tying up my hands and it didnt work.

7adee5 No.571727


I don't think there could be "righteous" evil or any other really.

Anyway this is why I beg my requests nowadays.

f831cd No.571730


You could've just applied yourself elsewhere.

>working out

>advancing career

>searching for a wife material gf

>getting involved in the Church

>community organizing

>mastering an artform

>learning a language

And so on. There are always alternatives to masturbation, the easiest way is to keep busy and stop idling about. The only times I've ever had the time to masturbate have been on days that I have no school, no work, no gymtime, and no means of going to Church, which never happens. If I started masturbating habitually again, I would have to cut things in my day, which hurts what I want to do with my life.


We all have our cross to bear, but bear with it we must.

a1f19e No.571741

File: eb24db2bb0493fb⋯.jpg (10.24 KB, 225x225, 1:1, images.jpg)

one thing;I now feel a compulsive need to gib money to the poor. Sometimes I am taken aback at the poor's occasional evil,but I also trust in the judgement of the parish to whom I gib,since they,in turn,help the poor.

Im afraid of dying with a full bank account. I love my savings but I know I shouldn't love them.

is this guilt?a desire to expiate and atone?

7adee5 No.571751

File: 667cff719cc2821⋯.png (41.46 KB, 505x680, 101:136, Num_Nums_reading.png)

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At least I have Twilight and Pocket Twilight.

f831cd No.571754


Nothing wrong with being charitous, but having savings is important in case something happens to you. You can always have a will or estate brought up if you want your savings to be dedicated to a charity, parish, or given to family if you want.


How terrifying.

3ed2bc No.571794

Breaked/boke it,Day 0 again.

e520ee No.571796

A certain brother, overcome by the passion of immorality, sinned every day. However, each time, with tears and prayers, he would fall before the Master and Lord and receive forgiveness from Him. And as soon as he had repented, the next day, being misled again by shameful habit, he would fall to sin.

Afterwards, having sinned, he would go to the Church, where he would prostrate himself before the honorable and revered Icon of our Lord Jesus Christ and tearfully confess to Jesus: "Lord, have mercy upon me and take away from me this fearful temptation, for it troubles me fiercely and wounds me with the bitter taste of the pleasures. O my Master, cleanse my person once more, that I may gaze upon Thine Icon and see Thy holy form and the sight of Thy face, brighter than the sun, that my heart might be sweetened and thankful."

And though his lips had just whispered these words, no sooner would he leave the Church than he would fall once again to sin.

Despite this, however, he did not despair of his salvation, but, returning from his sinful deed, would cry out in the Church the same words to God, to the Lord, Who loves mankind, adding the following: "My Lord, I swear to Thee on my word that I shall no longer commit this sin. Only forgive me, Good and Most Merciful Lord, whatever sins I have committed from the beginning to this moment."

No sooner would he utter these awe-inspiring words, than he would find himself the captive of this evil sin. Let no one cease to marvel at the sweet love of God towards mankind and at His boundless goodness, with which He each day tolerated the uncorrected and evil transgression and ingratitude of the brother. Indeed, God, because of the greatness of His mercy, persistently accepted the repentance of that sinful brother and his inevitable return. For this happened not for one or two or three years, but for more than ten years.

Do you see, my brother, the measureless forbearance and boundless love of the Master? How He continually endures, showing to us kindness, tolerating our terrible transgressions and sins? And what evokes astonishment and wonderment with regard to the rich mercies of God is that He did not become wrathful with the brother in question, though the brother, agreeing not to fall to sin again, continually broke his word.

At any rate, one day when all that we have described again occurred, the brother, having fallen to sin, rushed to the Church, lamenting, groaning, and crying with anguish, to invoke the mercy of God, that He might have compassion on him and take him from the sin of immorality.

No sooner had he called on God, the lover of man, than the Devil, that evil of old, destroyer of our souls, seeing that he could gain nothing, since whatever he accomplished by sin, the brother expunged by his repentance, became infuriated and appeared visibly before the brother. Facing the Icon of Christ, the Devil said to our compassionate Savior: "What will become of the two of us, Jesus Christ? Your sympathy for this sinner defeats me and takes the ground I have gained, since you keep accepting this dissolute man and prodigal who daily mocks you and scorns your authority. Indeed, why is it that you do not burn him up, but, rather, tolerate and put up with him? … It is because one day you intend to condemn all of the adulterers and the dissolute and you will destroy all sinners.

"Actually, you are not a just Judge. But by whim your power is sometimes applied leniently and overlooks things. So, while I was cast from the heavens down to the abyss for a little breach of pride, to this fellow here, even though an immoral man and a prodigal, you calmly show your sympathy, just because he throws himself down in front of your Icon.

"In what way can you be called a just Judge, then? For, as I see it, you receive individual people with great kindness, but ignore justice in general."

The Devil said all of this, poisoned with great bitterness, whilst there poured forth from his nostrils a black flame.

e520ee No.571797


Having said these things, he fell silent. A voice was heard in response, coming forth from the divine sanctuary, saying the following: "O, all-cunning and ruinous Dragon, are you yet not satisfied with your evil and destructive desire to gobble up the world? Now you have even the nerve to try to do away with this man here, who has come with contrition to entreat the mercy of my compassion to devour him, too? Can you offer up enough sins that, by them, you can tilt the balance of justice against the precious blood which I shed on the Cross for this man? Behold my murder and death, which I endured for the forgiveness of his sins.

"You, when he turns again to sin, do not turn him away, but receive him with joy, neither chastising him nor preventing him from committing sin, out of the hope that you might win him over; but I, who am merciful and love mankind, who counselled my laudable Apostle, Peter, to forgive sins seven times seventy (St. Matthew 18:22), do I not show him mercy and compassion? Indeed, simply because he flees to me, I will not turn him away until I have won him over. Furthermore, I was crucified for sinners and for their salvation; my immaculate hands were nailed to the Cross, that those who so wish might take refuge in me and be saved. For this reason, then, I neither turn away nor reject anyone, even if he should fall many times a day and many times return to me; such a person will not leave my Temple saddened, for I came not to call the righteous, but to call sinners to repent."

During the time that this voice was heard, the Devil was fixed in his place, trembling and unable to run away. The voice then again began to say: "We have heard from all that you say, O Seducer, that I am not just; to the contrary, I am just beyond all. In whatever moral state I find a person, in that state I judge him. Look at this man who a few moments ago repented, having returned from sin and having fallen at my feet with a sincere resolution to abandon sin, and thereby having conquered you.

"Therefore, I will accept him immediately and save his soul, since he did not lose hope in his hard toil for salvation.

"Look how much he merits by his repentance before me, for which he is honored. As for you, let your hate be shred to pieces and you disgraced."

While this was being said, the repentant brother had thrown himself before the Icon of the Savior. With his face to the ground and lamenting, he surrendered his spirit to the Lord. At the same time that the repentant brother departed to the Lord, a great tempest fell upon Satan, like a fire from Heaven, and devoured him. From this incident, my brothers, let us learn of the limitless compassion of God and of His love of man—a good Master we have—, that we might never again be disheartened by our sins, but rather look after our salvation with zeal.

1ceb83 No.572091

File: 1bab4df0181024c⋯.jpg (414.71 KB, 2560x1440, 16:9, 4426042-black-wolf-in-snow….jpg)

Thats it, im done. I would never even waste my energy to these deceitful and lying creatures. Its over. I will never think about you succs.

a1f19e No.572376

File: c22ffab702668e2⋯.jpg (25.58 KB, 518x473, 518:473, 143.jpg)

tied a piece of string round my prepuce so I can pee but cant get hard.

cum cant pass,its too thick,piss can.

as long as the string is on ill never fail again.

d9b12b No.572383

File: a85939e876a9eae⋯.webm (1.96 MB, 640x360, 16:9, What if Your Boyfriend is….webm)

068827 No.572393

The key is to remain busy. Keep doing smoetime, just don't stop. always doing something


don't soy yourself. The point of abstinence is to control your body, not let your body control you. If you just soy your body to the point where you feel no sexual urges, then your body is still controling you just as much.

fd9a84 No.572410


Pls no.



That was a good read, thanks!

0df728 No.572455

File: fde771e2ba11568⋯.jpg (10.23 KB, 255x180, 17:12, cb1d8770b63fd587f1c229e101….jpg)


dude what the fuck

497b0c No.572461

File: 82f75f6f1dd786d⋯.jpg (941.48 KB, 2234x1498, 1117:749, d01a9ef05c597fc9d06f32b796….jpg)


are you brain dead

You don't NEED to fap. Not fapping will not cause you any harm. What kind of question is this

a2bf76 No.572465


I mean… I guess that's a valid strategy.

It's written that if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off so… Good luck with the dick string?

70e03e No.572586

>tfw fapped 3 times in 12 hours

>tfw feel the worst I've felt in months

Is cutting my hand off a valid choice at this point? I'm ready to give up.

5e360a No.572593


As long as you still lust. Even without your hands, you will use your feet, rub your member against something, or even go further and break your neck/spine using your mouth.

Problem begins with the mind, not the hands unless you are sitting there doing something and somehow your hands went uncontrollable and rubbed you off themselves. At that point, I would call exorcists on the double, then pray really hard while waiting for them to catch the earliest flight from Vatican City or from the nearest branch of the Order, and if all else fails I might consider cutting them off.

9fbcd3 No.572619



So was the man honest in his confessions?

b1d9f3 No.572624

File: 159fbda9be0580d⋯.gif (1.25 MB, 500x281, 500:281, 1455846572900.gif)


I was never able to go longer than a week without fapping. Been addicted since I was real young

Then I met a /pure/ /chaste/ /happy/ /Catholic/ gril, and It just stopped - I didn't even have to try very hard, I just never thought about porn or fapping anymore, and any thought in that direction just viscerally felt unappealing, like a betrayal, like I didn't have the heart to even want to do it.

You have to be made uncomfortable, and get out of the house and stay out. You need to fundamentally change your life. I often feel like the way I quit wasn't thanks to my effort, though I kept trying fruitlessly for years and years - rather, it was grace breaking into my life. It was miraculous. I didn't have any big Hercules endurance or anything like that, it was gone altogether. Just like that. It wasn't about me, it was about God, and about other people.

Thomas Aquinas said somewhere, I think, that a bad passion can only be defeated by a good passion. She was just so spirited, cheerful, vivacious that I was completely broken out of myself, you know? Like she was someone who just forcefully made me forget about myself and live for others instead of just for myself.

We ended up dating on and off for a few months, and even in difficult times when I was alone a lot and with a computer, I just didn't do it. I didn't give in.

I went 8 months without fapping, or looking at porn. Even times when we had broken up, I just didn't feel like crawling back into that sewer. It was unbelievable, really. Whenever I felt down, I always remembered that I was closer to God, and that I had finally thrown off the bane of my life.

We broke up again though, and this time it seemed final. It was kinda bad blood. I kept going for another month, but then the pressure of exams was getting on me, and in a moment of weakness I relapsed.

Now I'm back where I was before now. I pray and I resolve and I go to confession but it doesn't seem to work, I just feel to apathetic and comfortable to really want to change. My will always comes close but never succeeds in just resisting. You gotta keep praying and keep building up on your willpower, by practicing on resisting smaller temptations, but there needs to be more as well.

I think getting off the internet is one of the first main steps. I've stopped playing vidya games, quit facebook, I never go on the Chans anymore. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. Do you really think it's going to be worse without it? Even here on /christian/ its easy to give in, with the ads and the other boards so close.

I think one of the main things is being prepared to make the radical sacrifices that will greatly weaken the power that the Devil has over you. Then your willpower can do the rest.

It's also necessary to change your life completely, to get immersed in other people and outside places. It's never difficult when you're at work or at school, only when you're at home.

One thing that helps me is trying to realize and appreciate how much you're loved by God, by Jesus - also by Mary - I know that not everyone here is comfortable in the distinction between dulia (veneration of Saints) hyperdulia (veneration of Mary) and Latria (The adoration and love that is only for the Holy Trinity), and to be honest I get quite scrupulous trying to maintain those distinctions as well - but there's something about Mary's femininity, as Christ's mother and as your own loving mother, and as a woman who is completely pure, chaste, inviolate, and undefiled, without sin and perpetually a virgin, that really helps to counter the images and dirt I've filled my soul with.

I think one of the things that causes us to sin in this way is that we secretly don't really think we're very much at all, we don't really think we're loved or worth loving, and that's why we don't mind debasing ourselves sinking into the tar pit, because we don't feel like anything is being lost or that we're letting anyone down or betraying anyone, or throwing away something valuable.

b1d9f3 No.572627

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It sucks bro. When I relapsed I did the same thing, and I felt a real deep, dull ache in my chest for some reason. I couldn't believe what I'd done.

b1d9f3 No.572630

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>▶Christanon (You) Catholic 12/13/17 (Wed) 13:17:29 b1d9f3 No.572

This really helped me. You have to just call on God and keep repeating some short prayer or anything when you're in difficulty, and then decide wholeheartedly to do something else.

Also, I don't think the benefits of /nofap/ for yourself are really enough of a motivation. I think the only successful way is to do it for someone else, someone real, who's close to you and who you love, and who loves you back. You also need to do it for Jesus - meditate on his passion, and really try to be personally intimate with him in his difficulties.

Wanting to quit fapping can't even be your motivation. If it is your motivation, it's still on your mind even while you're doing the things that are supposed to let you leave it behind.

The best way is to just forget about it entirely.

b1d9f3 No.572635

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"The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new."

This is really important. It's the only way I've ever gone a long time without failing. You don't defeat fap, you forget about it.

When I was with /catholicgf/ she made me want to be better, to improve, and she made me not want to fail. We talk about new resolutions to quit fapping, but do we really mean it?

We don't really want it, because - as long as "superpowers" and "a better life for yourself" are your motivations, your motivation is for yourself - and I don't think you can ever be truly passionate in a good way for yourself.

Just focus on some good, something worth it, something that viscerally animates you.

Maybe you guys also have had the feeling that you need to isolate yourself, in your own private arena, you and your addiction, and battle it out - and that you can't really move on to anything else, or get into any relationships, until you've first finished off this demon once and for all.

I think that might actually be pride, and it might be the disease trying to propagate itself, to perpetuate the conditions in which it thrives. It thrives on loneliness, dissipation, and isolation. I think it might be pride that you feel like you have to sort this out yourself, because you don't want to be dirty when you go out and do things with other people. You want to be the pristine ubermensch who has beaten addiction before you go out into the world and become implicated in other things and in other people's lives.

There's also that feeling that you can't get in to a relationship when you're like this, almost in the same way that you wouldn't embrace someone wearing a pristine white dress while you're covered in mud and oily overalls.

However, during the 8 months when I was clean and in a relationship, purity and chastity came kinda naturally to me.

I prayed a lot too, that's the essential grace which leads to purity of heart - intimate conversation with God.

You just need to admit that you're helpless to do anything on your own, and - rather than insisting on you yourself being satisfied and ready before starting - throw yourself into it and have the humility to live in spite of your sin, and let other people and events be the things that save you. That's you letting God's grace into your life and submitting to it. God is providential - he's the lord of History, and there are no coincidences. That means that his Grace isn't necessarily just an ethereal strength in the soul, it's also material and concrete circumstances, events, and "coincidences." I met /exgf/ only because of a series of flukes. Have to humility to let God save you with his grace, and start to live and go after your ambitions even if you don't feel like you're ready, or if you feel like your addiction disqualifies or disables you. Trust in God anyway. Don't wait for yourself to reach your "new lifestyle", it's already here - It's always right there waiting for you. Give up the pride that says that it's all about you, and that you have to finish this off first before you truly begin. That's your demon's trickery which will keep you alone and addicted indefinitely.

This means that there is only one big strategy to defeating this. You have to fight the urge to think about the state you're in, and be sad about your addiction, or contemplate the possibility of you ever conquering it. You just have to not think about it - focus on something else, even just visually looking at what's in front of you and not letting your mind drift to the things that bother you.

NoFap won't lead to a better life. A better life is always there, and it simply doesn't include masturbation. Not because part of it is a negative and conscious, constant prohibition and resolution not to do it. Rather, it's because you life is simply filled up with other things and better thoughts.

Just don't think about it at all - ask God for forgiveness, then instantly forgive yourself and forbid yourself to even think about it. This is what works the best and this will prevent the sin from further dragging you down all day long. Focus on loving something good, and forget yourself.

b1d9f3 No.572639

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>>572635 This is the attitude that will allow God to succeed in you - having the humility to let him Redeem you rather than you redeem yourself.

From Heretics by GK Chesterton

V. Mr. H. G. Wells and the Giants

We ought to see far enough into a hypocrite to see even his sincerity. We ought to be interested in that darkest and most real part of a man in which dwell not the vices that he does not display, but the virtues that he cannot. And the more we approach the problems of human history with this keen and piercing charity, the smaller and smaller space we shall allow to pure hypocrisy of any kind. The hypocrites shall not deceive us into thinking them saints; but neither shall they deceive us into thinking them hypocrites. And an increasing number of cases will crowd into our field of inquiry, cases in which there is really no question of hypocrisy at all, cases in which people were so ingenuous that they seemed absurd, and so absurd that they seemed disingenuous.

There is one striking instance of an unfair charge of hypocrisy. It is always urged against the religious in the past, as a point of inconsistency and duplicity, that they combined a profession of almost crawling humility with a keen struggle for earthly success and considerable triumph in attaining it. It is felt as a piece of humbug, that a man should be very punctilious in calling himself a miserable sinner, and also very punctilious in calling himself King of France. But the truth is that there is no more conscious inconsistency between the humility of a Christian and the rapacity of a Christian than there is between the humility of a lover and the rapacity of a lover. The truth is that there are no things for which men will make such herculean efforts as the things of which they know they are unworthy. There never was a man in love who did not declare that, if he strained every nerve to breaking, he was going to have his desire. And there never was a man in love who did not declare also that he ought not to have it. The whole secret of the practical success of Christendom lies in the Christian humility, however imperfectly fulfilled. For with the removal of all question of merit or payment, the soul is suddenly released for incredible voyages. If we ask a sane man how much he merits, his mind shrinks instinctively and instantaneously. It is doubtful whether he merits six feet of earth. But if you ask him what he can conquer—he can conquer the stars. Thus comes the thing called Romance, a purely Christian product. A man cannot deserve adventures; he cannot earn dragons and hippogriffs. The mediaeval Europe which asserted humility gained Romance; the civilization which gained Romance has gained the habitable globe. How different the Pagan and Stoical feeling was from this has been admirably expressed in a famous quotation. Addison makes the great Stoic say—

"'Tis not in mortals to command success;

But we'll do more, Sempronius, we'll deserve it."

But the spirit of Romance and Christendom, the spirit which is in every lover, the spirit which has bestridden the earth with European adventure, is quite opposite. 'Tis not in mortals to deserve success. But we'll do more, Sempronius; we'll obtain it.

And this gay humility, this holding of ourselves lightly and yet ready for an infinity of unmerited triumphs, this secret is so simple that every one has supposed that it must be something quite sinister and mysterious. Humility is so practical a virtue that men think it must be a vice. Humility is so successful that it is mistaken for pride. It is mistaken for it all the more easily because it generally goes with a certain simple love of splendour which amounts to vanity. Humility will always, by preference, go clad in scarlet and gold; pride is that which refuses to let gold and scarlet impress it or please it too much. In a word, the failure of this virtue actually lies in its success; it is too successful as an investment to be believed in as a virtue. Humility is not merely too good for this world; it is too practical for this world; I had almost said it is too worldly for this world.

full book: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/470/470-h/470-h.htm

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From Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis

My dear Wormwood,

It seems to me that you take a great many pages to tell a very simple story. The long and the short of it is that you have let the man slip through your fingers. The situation is very grave, and I really see no reason why I should try to shield you from the consequences of your inefficiency. A repentance and renewal of what the other side call “grace” on the scale which you describe is a defeat of the first order. It amounts to a second conversion—and probably on a deeper level than the first.

As you ought to have known, the asphyxiating cloud which prevented your attacking the patient on his walk back from the old mill, is a well-known phenomenon. It is the Enemy’s most barbarous weapon, and generally appears when He is directly present to the patient under certain modes not yet fully classified. Some humans are permanently surrounded by it and therefore inaccessible to us.

And now for your blunders. On your own showing you first of all allowed the patient to read a book he really enjoyed, because he enjoyed it and not in order to make clever remarks about it to his new friends. In the second place, you allowed him to walk down to the old mill and have tea there—a walk through country he really likes, and taken alone. In other words you allowed him two real positive Pleasures. Were you so ignorant as not to see the danger of this? The characteristic of Pains and Pleasures is that they are unmistakably real, and therefore, as far as they go, give the man who feels them a touchstone of reality. Thus if you had been trying to damn your man by the Romantic method—by making him a kind of Childe Harold or Werther submerged in self-pity for imaginary distresses—you would try to protect him at all costs from any real pain; because, of course, five minutes’ genuine toothache would reveal the romantic sorrows for the nonsense they were and unmask your whole strategem. But you were trying to damn your patient by the World, that is by palming off vanity, bustle, irony, and expensive tedium as pleasures. How can you have failed to see that a real pleasure was the last thing you ought to have let him meet? Didn’t you foresee that it would just kill by contrast all the trumpery which you have been so laboriously teaching him to value? And that the sort of pleasure which the book and the walk gave him was the most dangerous of all? That it would peel off from his sensibility the kind of crust you have been forming on it, and make him feel that he was coming home, recovering himself? As a preliminary to detaching him from the Enemy, you wanted to detach him from himself, and had made some progress in doing so. Now, all that is undone.

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Of course I know that the Enemy also wants to detach men from themselves, but in a different way. Remember always, that He really likes the little vermin, and sets an absurd value on the distinctness of every one of them. When He talks of their losing their selves, He only means abandoning the clamour of self-will; once they have done that, He really gives them back all their personality, and boasts (I am afraid, sincerely) that when they are wholly His they will be more themselves than ever. Hence, while He is delighted to see them sacrificing even their innocent wills to His, He hates to see them drifting away from their own nature for any other reason. And we should always encourage them to do so. The deepest likings and impulses of any man are the raw material, the starting-point, with which the Enemy has furnished him. To get him away from those is therefore always a point gained; even in things indifferent it is always desirable to substitute the standards of the World, or convention, or fashion, for a human’s own real likings and dislikings. I myself would carry this very far. I would make it a rule to eradicate from my patient any strong personal taste which is not actually a sin, even if it is something quite trivial such as a fondness for county cricket or collecting stamps or drinking cocoa. Such things, I grant you, have nothing of virtue in them; but there is a sort of innocence and humility and self-forgetfulness about them which I distrust. The man who truly and disinterestedly enjoys any one thing in the world, for its own sake, and without caring twopence what other people say about it, is by that very fact fore-armed against some of our subtlest modes of attack. You should always try to make the patient abandon the people or food or books he really likes in favour of the “best” people, the “right” food, the “important” books. I have known a human defended from strong temptations to social ambition by a still stronger taste for tripe and onions.

It remains to consider how we can retrieve this disaster. The great thing is to prevent his doing anything. As long as he does not convert it into action, it does not matter how much he thinks about this new repentance. Let the little brute wallow in it. Let him, if he has any bent that way, write a book about it; that is often an excellent way of sterilising the seeds which the Enemy plants in a human soul. Let him do anything but act. No amount of piety in his imagination and affections will harm us if we can keep it out of his will. As one of the humans has said, active habits are strengthened by repetition but passive ones are weakened. The more often he feels without acting, the less he will be able ever to act, and, in the long run, the less he will be able to feel,

Your affectionate uncle Screwtape


b1d9f3 No.572646

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Augustine faced the exact same struggles /Christbros/

But now, the more ardently I loved those whose healthful affections I heard of, that they had resigned themselves wholly to Thee to be cured, the more did I abhor myself, when compared with them. For many of my years (some twelve) had now run out with me since my nineteenth, when, upon the reading of Cicero's Hortensius, I was stirred to an earnest love of wisdom; and still I was deferring to reject mere earthly felicity, and give myself to search out that, whereof not the finding only, but the very search, was to be preferred to the treasures and kingdoms of the world, though already found, and to the pleasures of the body, though spread around me at my will. But I wretched, most wretched, in the very commencement of my early youth, had begged chastity of Thee, and said, "Give me chastity and continency, only not yet." For I feared lest Thou shouldest hear me soon, and soon cure me of the disease of concupiscence, which I wished to have satisfied, rather than extinguished. And I had wandered through crooked ways in a sacrilegious superstition, not indeed assured thereof, but as preferring it to the others which I did not seek religiously, but opposed maliciously.

And I had thought that I therefore deferred from day to day to reject the hopes of this world, and follow Thee only, because there did not appear aught certain, whither to direct my course. And now was the day come wherein I was to be laid bare to myself, and my conscience was to upbraid me. "Where art thou now, my tongue? Thou saidst that for an uncertain truth thou likedst not to cast off the baggage of vanity; now, it is certain, and yet that burden still oppresseth thee, while they who neither have so worn themselves out with seeking it, nor for often years and more have been thinking thereon, have had their shoulders lightened, and received wings to fly away." Thus was I gnawed within, and exceedingly confounded with a horrible shame, while Pontitianus was so speaking. And he having brought to a close his tale and the business he came for, went his way; and I into myself. What said I not against myself? with what scourges of condemnation lashed I not my soul, that it might follow me, striving to go after Thee! Yet it drew back; refused, but excused not itself. All arguments were spent and confuted; there remained a mute shrinking; and she feared, as she would death, to be restrained from the flux of that custom, whereby she was wasting to death.

Then in this great contention of my inward dwelling, which I had strongly raised against my soul, in the chamber of my heart, troubled in mind and countenance, I turned upon Alypius. "What ails us?" I exclaim: "what is it? what heardest thou? The unlearned start up and take heaven by force, and we with our learning, and without heart, lo, where we wallow in flesh and blood! Are we ashamed to follow, because others are gone before, and not ashamed not even to follow?" Some such words I uttered, and my fever of mind tore me away from him, while he, gazing on me in astonishment, kept silence. For it was not my wonted tone; and my forehead, cheeks, eyes, colour, tone of voice, spake my mind more than the words I uttered. A little garden there was to our lodging, which we had the use of, as of the whole house; for the master of the house, our host, was not living there. Thither had the tumult of my breast hurried me, where no man might hinder the hot contention wherein I had engaged with myself, until it should end as Thou knewest, I knew not. Only I was healthfully distracted and dying, to live; knowing what evil thing I was, and not knowing what good thing I was shortly to become. I retired then into the garden, and Alypius, on my steps. For his presence did not lessen my privacy; or how could he forsake me so disturbed? We sate down as far removed as might be from the house. I was troubled in spirit, most vehemently indignant that I entered not into Thy will and covenant, O my God, which all my bones cried out unto me to enter, and praised it to the skies. And therein we enter not by ships, or chariots, or feet, no, move not so far as I had come from the house to that place where we were sitting. For, not to go only, but to go in thither was nothing else but to will to go, but to will resolutely and thoroughly; not to turn and toss, this way and that, a maimed and half-divided will, struggling, with one part sinking as another rose.

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Lastly, in the very fever of my irresoluteness, I made with my body many such motions as men sometimes would, but cannot, if either they have not the limbs, or these be bound with bands, weakened with infirmity, or any other way hindered. Thus, if I tore my hair, beat my forehead, if locking my fingers I clasped my knee; I willed, I did it. But I might have willed, and not done it; if the power of motion in my limbs had not obeyed. So many things then I did, when "to will" was not in itself "to be able"; and I did not what both I longed incomparably more to do, and which soon after, when I should will, I should be able to do; because soon after, when I should will, I should will thoroughly. For in these things the ability was one with the will, and to will was to do; and yet was it not done: and more easily did my body obey the weakest willing of my soul, in moving its limbs at its nod, than the soul obeyed itself to accomplish in the will alone this its momentous will.

Whence is this monstrousness? and to what end? Let Thy mercy gleam that I may ask, if so be the secret penalties of men, and those darkest pangs of the sons of Adam, may perhaps answer me. Whence is this monstrousness? and to what end? The mind commands the body, and it obeys instantly; the mind commands itself, and is resisted. The mind commands the hand to be moved; and such readiness is there, that command is scarce distinct from obedience. Yet the mind is mind, the hand is body. The mind commands the mind, its own self, to will, and yet it doth not. Whence this monstrousness? and to what end? It commands itself, I say, to will, and would not command, unless it willed, and what it commands is not done. But it willeth not entirely: therefore doth it not command entirely. For so far forth it commandeth, as it willeth: and, so far forth is the thing commanded, not done, as it willeth not. For the will commandeth that there be a will; not another, but itself. But it doth not command entirely, therefore what it commandeth, is not. For were the will entire, it would not even command it to be, because it would already be. It is therefore no monstrousness partly to will, partly to nill, but a disease of the mind, that it doth not wholly rise, by truth upborne, borne down by custom. And therefore are there two wills, for that one of them is not entire: and what the one lacketh, the other hath.

Let them perish from Thy presence, O God, as perish vain talkers and seducers of the soul: who observing that in deliberating there were two wills, affirm that there are two minds in us of two kinds, one good, the other evil. Themselves are truly evil, when they hold these evil things; and themselves shall become good when they hold the truth and assent unto the truth, that Thy Apostle may say to them, Ye were sometimes darkness, but now light in the Lord. But they, wishing to be light, not in the Lord, but in themselves, imagining the nature of the soul to be that which God is, are made more gross darkness through a dreadful arrogancy; for that they went back farther from Thee, the true Light that enlightened every man that cometh into the world. Take heed what you say, and blush for shame: draw near unto Him and be enlightened, and your faces shall not be ashamed. Myself when I was deliberating upon serving the Lord my God now, as I had long purposed, it was I who willed, I who nilled, I, I myself. I neither willed entirely, nor nilled entirely. Therefore was I at strife with myself, and rent asunder by myself. And this rent befell me against my will, and yet indicated, not the presence of another mind, but the punishment of my own. Therefore it was no more I that wrought it, but sin that dwelt in me; the punishment of a sin more freely committed, in that I was a son of Adam.

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For if there be so many contrary natures as there be conflicting wills, there shall now be not two only, but many. If a man deliberate whether he should go to their conventicle or to the theatre, these Manichees cry out, Behold, here are two natures: one good, draws this way; another bad, draws back that way. For whence else is this hesitation between conflicting wills? But I say that both be bad: that which draws to them, as that which draws back to the theatre. But they believe not that will to be other than good, which draws to them. What then if one of us should deliberate, and amid the strife of his two wills be in a strait, whether he should go to the theatre or to our church? would not these Manichees also be in a strait what to answer? For either they must confess (which they fain would not) that the will which leads to our church is good, as well as theirs, who have received and are held by the mysteries of theirs: or they must suppose two evil natures, and two evil souls conflicting in one man, and it will not be true, which they say, that there is one good and another bad; or they must be converted to the truth, and no more deny that where one deliberates, one soul fluctuates between contrary wills.

Let them no more say then, when they perceive two conflicting wills in one man, that the conflict is between two contrary souls, of two contrary substances, from two contrary principles, one good, and the other bad. For Thou, O true God, dost disprove, check, and convict them; as when, both wills being bad, one deliberates whether he should kill a man by poison or by the sword; whether he should seize this or that estate of another's, when he cannot both; whether he should purchase pleasure by luxury, or keep his money by covetousness; whether he go to the circus or the theatre, if both be open on one day; or thirdly, to rob another's house, if he have the opportunity; or, fourthly, to commit adultery, if at the same time he have the means thereof also; all these meeting together in the same juncture of time, and all being equally desired, which cannot at one time be acted: for they rend the mind amid four, or even (amid the vast variety of things desired) more, conflicting wills, nor do they yet allege that there are so many divers substances. So also in wills which are good. For I ask them, is it good to take pleasure in reading the Apostle? or good to take pleasure in a sober Psalm? or good to discourse on the Gospel? They will answer to each, "it is good." What then if all give equal pleasure, and all at once? Do not divers wills distract the mind, while he deliberates which he should rather choose? yet are they all good, and are at variance till one be chosen, whither the one entire will may be borne, which before was divided into many. Thus also, when, above, eternity delights us, and the pleasure of temporal good holds us down below, it is the same soul which willeth not this or that with an entire will; and therefore is rent asunder with grievous perplexities, while out of truth it sets this first, but out of habit sets not that aside.

Thus soul-sick was I, and tormented, accusing myself much more severely than my wont, rolling and turning me in my chain, till that were wholly broken, whereby I now was but just, but still was, held. And Thou, O Lord, pressedst upon me in my inward parts by a severe mercy, redoubling the lashes of fear and shame, lest I should again give way, and not bursting that same slight remaining tie, it should recover strength, and bind me the faster. For I said with myself, "Be it done now, be it done now." And as I spake, I all but enacted it: I all but did it, and did it not: yet sunk not back to my former state, but kept my stand hard by, and took breath. And I essayed again, and wanted somewhat less of it, and somewhat less, and all but touched, and laid hold of it; and yet came not at it, nor touched nor laid hold of it; hesitating to die to death and to live to life: and the worse whereto I was inured, prevailed more with me than the better whereto I was unused: and the very moment wherein I was to become other than I was, the nearer it approached me, the greater horror did it strike into me; yet did it not strike me back, nor turned me away, but held me in suspense.

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The very toys of toys, and vanities of vanities, my ancient mistresses, still held me; they plucked my fleshy garment, and whispered softly, "Dost thou cast us off? and from that moment shall we no more be with thee for ever? and from that moment shall not this or that be lawful for thee for ever?" And what was it which they suggested in that I said, "this or that," what did they suggest, O my God? Let Thy mercy turn it away from the soul of Thy servant. What defilements did they suggest! what shame! And now I much less than half heard them, and not openly showing themselves and contradicting me, but muttering as it were behind my back, and privily plucking me, as I was departing, but to look back on them. Yet they did retard me, so that I hesitated to burst and shake myself free from them, and to spring over whither I was called; a violent habit saying to me, "Thinkest thou, thou canst live without them?"

But now it spake very faintly. For on that side whither I had set my face, and whither I trembled to go, there appeared unto me the chaste dignity of Continency, serene, yet not relaxedly, gay, honestly alluring me to come and doubt not; and stretching forth to receive and embrace me, her holy hands full of multitudes of good examples: there were so many young men and maidens here, a multitude of youth and every age, grave widows and aged virgins; and Continence herself in all, not barren, but a fruitful mother of children of joys, by Thee her Husband, O Lord. And she smiled on me with a persuasive mockery, as would she say, "Canst not thou what these youths, what these maidens can? or can they either in themselves, and not rather in the Lord their God? The Lord their God gave me unto them. Why standest thou in thyself, and so standest not? cast thyself upon Him, fear not He will not withdraw Himself that thou shouldest fall; cast thyself fearlessly upon Him, He will receive, and will heal thee." And I blushed exceedingly, for that I yet heard the muttering of those toys, and hung in suspense. And she again seemed to say, "Stop thine ears against those thy unclean members on the earth, that they may be mortified. They tell thee of delights, but not as doth the law of the Lord thy God." This controversy in my heart was self against self only. But Alypius sitting close by my side, in silence waited the issue of my unwonted emotion.

But when a deep consideration had from the secret bottom of my soul drawn together and heaped up all my misery in the sight of my heart; there arose a mighty storm, bringing a mighty shower of tears. Which that I might pour forth wholly, in its natural expressions, I rose from Alypius: solitude was suggested to me as fitter for the business of weeping; so I retired so far that even his presence could not be a burden to me. Thus was it then with me, and he perceived something of it; for something I suppose I had spoken, wherein the tones of my voice appeared choked with weeping, and so had risen up. He then remained where we were sitting, most extremely astonished. I cast myself down I know not how, under a certain fig-tree, giving full vent to my tears; and the floods of mine eyes gushed out an acceptable sacrifice to Thee. And, not indeed in these words, yet to this purpose, spake I much unto Thee: and Thou, O Lord, how long? how long, Lord, wilt Thou be angry for ever? Remember not our former iniquities, for I felt that I was held by them. I sent up these sorrowful words: How long, how long, "to-morrow, and tomorrow?" Why not now? why not is there this hour an end to my uncleanness?

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So was I speaking and weeping in the most bitter contrition of my heart, when, lo! I heard from a neighbouring house a voice, as of boy or girl, I know not, chanting, and oft repeating, "Take up and read; Take up and read." Instantly, my countenance altered, I began to think most intently whether children were wont in any kind of play to sing such words: nor could I remember ever to have heard the like. So checking the torrent of my tears, I arose; interpreting it to be no other than a command from God to open the book, and read the first chapter I should find. For I had heard of Antony, that coming in during the reading of the Gospel, he received the admonition, as if what was being read was spoken to him: Go, sell all that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come and follow me: and by such oracle he was forthwith converted unto Thee. Eagerly then I returned to the place where Alypius was sitting; for there had I laid the volume of the Apostle when I arose thence. I seized, opened, and in silence read that section on which my eyes first fell: Not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying; but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, in concupiscence. No further would I read; nor needed I: for instantly at the end of this sentence, by a light as it were of serenity infused into my heart, all the darkness of doubt vanished away.

Then putting my finger between, or some other mark, I shut the volume, and with a calmed countenance made it known to Alypius. And what was wrought in him, which I knew not, he thus showed me. He asked to see what I had read: I showed him; and he looked even further than I had read, and I knew not what followed. This followed, him that is weak in the faith, receive; which he applied to himself, and disclosed to me. And by this admonition was he strengthened; and by a good resolution and purpose, and most corresponding to his character, wherein he did always very far differ from me, for the better, without any turbulent delay he joined me. Thence we go in to my mother; we tell her; she rejoiceth: we relate in order how it took place; she leaps for joy, and triumpheth, and blesseth Thee, Who are able to do above that which we ask or think; for she perceived that Thou hadst given her more for me, than she was wont to beg by her pitiful and most sorrowful groanings. For thou convertedst me unto Thyself, so that I sought neither wife, nor any hope of this world, standing in that rule of faith, where Thou hadst showed me unto her in a vision, so many years before. And Thou didst convert her mourning into joy, much more plentiful than she had desired, and in a much more precious and purer way than she erst required, by having grandchildren of my body.

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f831cd No.572662

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almost relapsed. Day 6.

513055 No.572695

Is it lust to look at faces of cute Asian girls?

cabc71 No.572745


I think I've got an idea of who you are and I'll pray for you.

a1f19e No.572787



It doesn hurt,it wont burst the blood vessel.

it like the water kettle, a powerful placebo effect

ef3963 No.572900

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Why tho. Avoiding that is way easier that quitting fap

a1f19e No.572905



masturbation is an hermaphroditical act since the man is both passiva and the doer of the action.

I think fapping is more monstruous than fornicating.

fb55a9 No.572926


Thank you for this image; saved (hopefully both my soul and on my computer).

b1c3fc No.572980

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cabc71 No.573102


^ this me

I'm having incredible urges to seek out this stuff

Am I being diabolically influenced?

>>568989 < this scares me

fb55a9 No.573190


most probably yes

bcd901 No.573203


a2bf76 No.573204



Please keep praying for me!

4d24d0 No.573211


I probably should support that post you're quoting if it scares you off sin but its a lie and gives the preposterous suggestion that if demons are trying to influence you, you're becoming a Satanist.

Just don't mind that post, its forgery of a layman's religious mind.

1ceb83 No.573214

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Start masturbating to normal porn and dont think about your fetishes that much. You are a catholic so the humiliation guilt thingy is definitely a danger there. Thats how fetishes form.

Remember lust can never truly be satisfied and jerking off thinking you would remove it is like throwing gasoline to a fire trying to kill it. You're only feeding the beast the more you think or do it.

Im too far gone. Im probably the biggest scum here so dont ever act on it anon.

1ceb83 No.573218


Oy vey satan isnt real

Hes just a dormant entity that doesnt devour people hehe

dbbd82 No.573235

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Poor Rina Palenkova died playing blue-whale challenge.

cabc71 No.573249


If you're alive then you aren't too far gone.

I don't want to fap to any porn, none of it is "normal."

4b0265 No.573276


>too far gone


4d24d0 No.573283

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Honestly its not completely unexpected that in the next post you came up with blasphemy against the holy spirit. I said you were a unknowing layman, and there you are, being a unknowing layman.

I'd like to sort out the confusion you're trying to create. See, according to the bible, Satanists are not people that sin a lot like you assume in >>573214 and >>568989 , but prophets that act as actual Christians. See 2 Corinthians 11:13-14: "or such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

So who's REALLY "becoming a satanist" here, >>568277 , who is struggling with masturbation, or you, who's saying, in 8ch a area with many outcasts, that he's "beyond saving", which incited confusion among some of our posters?

1af33e No.573296

28 Days, 2 days till a month.

3d4afa No.573305

If it helps you to know, I'm praying for you all.

8508c1 No.573321

Posting prayer for purity for personal reference.

pls no ban

>Jesus, Lover of chastity, Mary, Mother most pure, and Joseph, chaste guardian of the Virgin, to you I come at this hour, begging you to plead with God for me.

>I earnestly wish to be pure in thought, word and deed in imitation of your own holy purity.

>Obtain for me, then, a deep sense of modesty which will be reflected in my external conduct.

>Protect my eyes, the windows of my soul, from anything that might dim the luster of a heart that must mirror only Christlike purity.

>And when the "Bread of Angels becomes the Bread of me" in my heart at Holy Communion, seal it forever against the suggestions of sinful pleasures.

>Heart of Jesus, Fount of all purity, have mercy on us.

cca690 No.573332

Love too commit mortal sin then feel nothing

Please keep me in your prayers

026af6 No.573335

File: 9f6f256425edd47⋯.jpg (1.28 MB, 1596x1594, 798:797, Our Lady of Sorrows.JPG)

>over 100 days now

It can be done, lads.

I started out in September praying the Chaplet of Sorrows and since haven't looked back.

Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us.

4b0265 No.573372

After I got addicted to porn, I tried to quit for around five years or so without seeing any progress. I finally started making headway in August of 2014, and struggled on and off for about a year. After that I stayed off porn completely for almost two years. I relapsed around the middle of 2017, and am now back on track.

Some of the key things I've learned:

Accept God's Grace

Remember that it is not your own works that ultimately save you. Staying off of porn doesn't make you clean. Christ's blood makes you clean. Whether you've been off porn five minutes or five years makes no difference in regards to your guilt before God.

You're not fighting this battle in order to be "good enough" to get on God's side. You're fighting this battle because you are on God's side. If you've accepted Christ, you're already on the team. Don't resist porn in order to become a good person, resist because it is beneath you and it's incompatible with your identity as a follower of Jesus.

Analyze the Battles You Lose

Any time you cave to temptation, look at the thoughts and events that led to your failure. Identify the moods and actions that started the downward spiral. Curiosity? Compromise? Sleepiness? Self-deception?

Take the role of a strategist in a war. Figure out why you're losing, and then alter your strategy to counter the enemy's strategy.

For example, curiosity was a big issue for me. I would get curious about what's on certain NSFW boards, without having a conscious intention to watch porn. One thing leads to another. Now I treat those boards as off-limits, because I've identified that type of curiosity as part of an enemy strategy.

Another example: When I started waking up and watching porn in the middle of the night while still almost half-asleep, I used "if/when-then" planning to disrupt the routine, as well as loading up anti-porn videos on my phone before bed so that they would be the first thing I saw.

Analyze and adapt.

Always Own Your Mistakes

There's no such thing as "I can't help it." You made a choice. Every time you find yourself in a battle with temptation, you are always just one choice away from winning. Never, ever forget this.

Whenever you fail and you ask yourself, "why did I do it again," tell yourself, "because I chose to." When you feel helpless, remember that next time, you DO have the ability to make the correct decision, no matter what you've done up to this point. Remind yourself of this every time.

You alone are responsible for the outcome of every battle. That may sound bad, but it's not. It means that victory is already within reach, and nothing is powerful enough to stop you from taking it.

It Doesn't Matter How You Feel

No matter what, there will come a time when temptation is so strong that nothing else seems to matter in comparison. You can do all the research on the negative effects of porn, you can employ dozens of different strategies, and you can remind yourself of how bad it makes you feel and how much better it is to stay away. But some days the temptation will be so strong that it completely overpowers all of that. You will want porn more than anything else in the world.

In these moments, one of the most important things to know is that you don't have to do what you want.

Stop trying to persuade yourself that you'd rather not watch porn. That's silly. Of course you want to watch porn. Instead, decide that you will practice denied gratification. Forget about feeling good. Forget about getting what you want. Throw all of that out the window. Stand your ground and stubbornly say no.

You don't need a reason. You don't need any consolation. You don't need a distraction or an alternative to keep yourself happy.

Stare the specter of self-denial in the face and dare it to do its worst to you. Let the discomfort wash over you. Feel it. Embrace it.

Then when it ends, you'll see how strong you really are.

f3c43e No.573391

File: 307061b5cdb2b63⋯.jpg (101.24 KB, 656x893, 656:893, 307061b5cdb2b6365c38c121a3….jpg)

File: d526c7e6c8b771c⋯.jpg (163.59 KB, 566x800, 283:400, __index_and_sphinx_to_aru_….jpg)

Just started and tomorrow will make it a week. People weren't lying about urges, they get to you. I even had my pants at my ankles, ready to go at one point but I just didn't give in. Not sure if it was from the guilt or what. One thing I learned was whenever I want to jack it I'll try to justify it by looking on duckduckgo for idiotic things like "Does Masturbation help prevent cancer?" among other things.

However the reason I'm posting this isn't so that I can brag saying "I got to a week on my first try!" (Mainly because that's pride and I've made a standard for myself) but it's because my eyes have been opened to how badly the sin of lust can get you into a corner. Before saying this the majority of my friends save for two is atheist. A couple people in my "group" are depressed because "Nothing matters" etc. I'm working on getting them to convert but I'm getting sidetracked here.

Anyway, this is how one of those atheist friends screwed himself, and his significant other, over for lust. Let's call him B, his SO A, and his other "SO" C. B had his previous SO dump him because she was turning into a weeb that was going un-ironically calling herself a "neko" and would constantly use Japanese words in English sentences. I think she thought she was too good for him or something. B didn't really care too much however. After a few months go by he meets A. A and B start talking to eachother and soon enough, they're in a relationship.

This is where C comes in. C is a couple years older than B. Has a more matured body than A. So C starts making advances towards B and since B is lustful he starts accepting them. He soon gets in a relationship with C as well. This one is not out o love like the other. maybe there is a trace but now it's more like an infatuation.

I forgot, to mention, C has a husband and B knows that, not sure if the husband does. C also knows B's relationship with A but keeps advancing forward. When I or any of my other friends tell B what he's doing is wrong and he has to break up with one of them he gives the excuse he's fooled himself into thinking is the truth, "If I break up with one of them, they will kill them-self." Yet he keeps going further with C despite him saying he cares about A more.

>mfw the only reason he is with C is just so he can let his lust grow

>mfw he's going to my friends SO birthday party with C probably just so he can have more sex with her behind A's back

>mfw he gave his virginity to C behind A's back as well.

I'm at my limit with him. He says he will ask A about how she would feel about an open relationship and play it off as C just then confessing to him. I don't think I'm going to let him have that chance. Obviously I'll be praying that he changes his ways and tells A the truth and breaks up with C. However I don't want to have A be lied to anymore. I don't even know A personally but my other friends do. Apparently she would never even think of cheating on him. I'm close to just telling A via text or something. My friends will probably back me up if I do. B needs to learn he can't just lie to someones face, especially their SO. Wondering about any suggestions since he isn't making the proposal to have an open relationship for a few months so I have time. Replies appreciated.

I got sidetracked into a rant but this really opened my eyes as to what lust can do to you. I'll be praying for me and my friends that we never get so lustful.

If you took the time out of your day to read this, here's a wholesome picture of Index.

6118ab No.573442


>you don't have to do what you want.

Sounds like my life really, all I wanted was to draw cartoons but Meddling Jesus took away anything that made me not going full insane.

f831cd No.573444

File: e7146526bb6de10⋯.png (1.13 MB, 1920x1090, 192:109, vlcsnap-2129-06-22-12h07m0….png)


holy fugg this isn't fap related.

other than that it depends on the consequences. if the cheating is revealed to A and C's husband, you've simultaneously destroyed nearly 6 relationships (A and B, B and C, possibly B and you, possibly C and C's SO, and possibly A and you).

>let A know, have friends back you up

>let C's husband know, have friends back you up

>prepare for the hellfire


b1c3fc No.573460

File: 5fd1f6727039294⋯.jpg (172.59 KB, 763x950, 763:950, breaking of the gate.jpg)


Thanks anon.

f7eed5 No.573473


I think A deserves to know the truth, and if you know, you must tell her. I also believe C's husband should notified. If I was A or C's husband in this situation, I would want to be told. I am also completely against this idea of him proposing an open relationship as a way to try and excuse his behaviour. Because he may propose an open relationship, A will probably say no, he will continue his relationship with C because why would he stop, and then nothing was solved.

As >>573444 said, prepare for the hellfire.

b1d9f3 No.573527

File: 00ef59cb98ae1e7⋯.jpg (175.46 KB, 1000x1552, 125:194, IMG_2219.JPG)


Gotta disagree with these others fam

There might still be a way to save these relationships

Also, I think there is a more charitable way of doing this than simply lighting the fuse on the powder keg and running away

And if you do this, your final result is likely B and C still together, with A split up from B and C's husband divorcing her. This is a disastrous situation because all A will have left is this relationship of lust, which will have a far more gruesome end if it continues indefinitely.

But you don't want that. You want to split up B and C, the relationship of lust which is ruining two relationships of love.

You want A and B together (with hopefully B being repentant) and you want C and her husband together, and you want B and C to not be together anymore.

What you should do is have an intervention, either with just B or with B and C both together.

The first step is to get all, or at least some, of your friend group on-side for this. It will be stronger if you do it as a group.

Then give your ultimatum, and your reasons why. Remind B how he said he cares more for A, and tell him it's a load of nonsense that they will kill themselves if he leaves either of them - he needs to get over himself, he's not that great.

Optional demand is that they tell their SOs about it themselves before you do it for them. However, this may not be good, because a forced confession is never really legitimate, and it's better if they do it themselves out of sincere shame and repentance, wanting to try and make the relationship work.

They can't stop you from telling their respective SOs, so the power is really in your hands.

What you're doing here is giving them a chance to sort out their affairs (no pun intended) themselves before you blow everything up. This can hopefully give a better result.

You could use more pressure too, like say that you won't hang out with him as long as he's with C or something. It's up to you.

Now, if this does in C and B going back to their proper relationships, then the way forward is up to you. Hopefully B will change his ways. However, even if B dumps C and sticks with A, if he doesn't change his ways, or doesn't repent, you may still have a duty to - after prayerful reflection - save A from B anyway.

Most important thing is to pray constantly about it, and Christ the redeemer will put everything back together. No mess is too messy for Jesus.

b1d9f3 No.573529


I mixed up some of the letters sorry fam. You get the idea though.

>All A will be left with is the relationship of lust

Should be

>all B will be left with is the relationship of lust

f831cd No.573597

File: 30ec91d9f9f8dcf⋯.png (256.38 KB, 546x627, 182:209, a6d57ea5421e65c872cbbdcd1d….png)

>tfw you browse on your phone are there's an ad for NIPPONESE DOUJIN at the bottom of the page

31fe5e No.573598

Reminder that nocturnal emissions are a capital sin. It's not because you're not awake that it ceases to be a sin, the body destroying itself, and listening to the devil's suggestions. This is even worse if it is a "wet dream" that caused this nocturnal emission, because then you're not only guilty of self-harm (masturbation), but also of adultery (lust).

Reminder that if you're one of those people who have communion even when in a state of capital sin, you're eating and drinking to your own condemnation.

53349c No.573608

File: 0d039e546ded906⋯.png (262.24 KB, 432x429, 144:143, 1479714912489.png)


masturbation is normal, in normal amounts, with normal thoughts


f831cd No.573627


>"Nor, in that the Law orders a man to be purified even after intercourse with a wife, doth it show it to be sin: unless it be that which is allowed by way of pardon, which also, being in excess, hinders prayers. But, as the Law sets many things in sacraments and shadows of things to come; a certain as it were material formless state of the seed, which having received form will hereafter produce the body of man, is set to signify a life formless, and untaught: from which formless state, forasmuch as it behoves that man be cleansed by form and teaching of learning; as a sign of this, that purification was ordered after the emission of seed. For neither in sleep also doth it take place through sin. And yet there also a purification was commanded. Or, if any think this also to be sin, thinking that it comes not to pass save from some lust of this kind, which without doubt is false; what? are the ordinary menses also of women sins? And yet from these the same old Law commanded that they should be cleansed by expiation; for no other cause, save the material formless state itself, in that which, when conception hath taken place, is added as it were to build up the body, and for this reason, when it flows without form, the Law would have signified by it a soul without form of discipline, flowing and loose in an unseemly manner. And that this ought to receive form, it signifies, when it commands such flow of the body to be purified. Lastly, what? to die, is that also a sin? or, to bury a dead person, is it not also a good work of humanity? and yet a purification was commanded even on occasion of this also; because also a dead body, life abandoning it, is not sin, but signifies the sin of a soul abandoned by righteousness."

t. St. Augustine

31fe5e No.573644


Augustine's right that purification being needed doesn't mean it is a sin. However, Augustine's wrong that it is not a sin.

Wait. Are you saying that you personally think nocturnal emissions aren't sinful? Is that really what your pastor teaches? Or does your Church simply have no teaching on the subject?

f831cd No.573648

File: 67fe41a3f37e3d9⋯.png (330.72 KB, 1010x783, 1010:783, c583bc00787b7aa7006b041fdf….png)


I don't feel that they're sinful because to commit sin implies I did it of my free will, and that I was conscious of the effort. Dreams and unconscious reactions don't fall under that; we still don't understand the mechanics behind dreams, and you can force someone to ejaculate and orgasm by running electrodes into the lower spine and pressing the on button.

To my knowledge, my parish doesn't teach about it. Personally I take a cold shower if I wake in the morning and have jizz all over my shorts, say a prayer asking for help against temptation, and getting clean clothes on. That seems appropriate.

69eca5 No.573690


Normal amount = zero.

e37976 No.573714


>normal thoughts

I'm not particularly turned on by what I'm planning to make for dinner tonight.

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