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Christ is Risen! Χριστὸς ἀνέστη! Христóсъ воскрéсе! Christus resurrexit! Hristos a înviat! !المسيح قام

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01ed67 No.410444

I know a lot of Christians who will willingly defend the Jews as "Gods chosen people".

However, I'm sure this isn't the case.

I'm still confused though, about how the religion should be treated.

I did some research on my own but found little on early church opinion and a lot of crap about "oh the jews aren't all that bad the church was uhh well…..".

I see a lot of outright hatred of them on places like /pol to the defense of them on other places so now I am confused. It was to my understanding that they are just a false religion that has fallen out of favor in the eyes of God.

150e9c No.410445

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>I'm still confused though, about how the religion should be treated.

Jews believe that Christ and the Virgin Mary are boiling in excrement (i.e. feces) in hell. It doesn't get more salty than that. We should be trying to convert them to the one true faith of Lord Jesus Christ.


1e21de No.410453

Judaism stems from the pharisees. Judaism, just as anything outside of Christianity and maybe especially so, is, by necessity, Satanism. Jews as an ethnic is group tend to be degenerate, I would wager based on their lack of religion. Those who honestly turn to Christ are not a problem.


d7bef6 No.410457

>>410444

Replacement theory lad. The Judeans used to be good with God because their ancestors made covenants with Him. Then Christ came down to make a New Covenant, but the Judeans flipped shit and rejected it because it was open to all peoples and it didn't cater to their elitist autism. So now the people of the New Covenant is anyone who accepts it, ie Christians. Anyone who doesn't accept the New Covenant, ie religious Jews, is not a part of it and has nothing to do with God.


66756c No.410463

New Testament:

Jesus admonishes the Pharisees:

>>Luke 11:37-54

>>https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A37-54&version=KJV

Jesus says the father of the Jews is the Devil

>>John 8:37-47

>>https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A37-47&version=KJV

Jews Killed Jesus

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

>>Apostle Paul, 1 Thessalonians 2

>>https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+2%3A14-16&version=KJV

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Early Church Fathers:

Adversus Judaeos

John Chrysostom wrote 8 homilies against them and Christians who judaize:

>>https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Eight_Homilies_Against_the_Jews

Augustine of Hippo also wrote on the Jews, but City of God is extensive and I'm not digging it to find the passages.


265e04 No.410471

It's a complex question. Whenever you see a successful person who happens to be really degenerate you can be almost 100% he (or she) is a Jew. Yes /pol/ is truly right every time. But you can also tell there's something special about Jews that you can't really pin point. I believe Jews are still chosen by God for a purpose. Thus I don't believe in replacement theology. But note: chosen does NOT mean perfect. Most people make that mistake, hence why they can't even consider the thought that Jews would be chosen. But my belief is that they are even when they're very far from perfect. It basically boils down to the fact that many Christians (even protestants) often think too often about their own and other people's deeds and not enough of God's graciousness.


594dd2 No.410488

>>410444

>I'm still confused though, about how the religion should be treated.

The Church has not replaced Israel, it is Israel.

The fathers in the Bible (Isaiah, David, etc.) are the fathers of the Church not the fathers of Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Jewish religion is not Christianity without Jesus; it's something completely different based on the Talmud. The Talmud is their false "tradition" so to speak, just like the papists have their false "tradition."

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father.

1 John 2:22


65e233 No.410491

>>410471

Chosen for what exactly?

To raise the Antichrist


a0ea10 No.410496

>>410444

Well basically, modern Judaism is descended from Pharisaism. The Pharisees were the main group of Jews Jesus argued against in his life. So modern Jews have the same false beliefs about God and religion that ancient Pharisees did.

Jesus condemned what he called 'the tradition of the elders', at that time it was 'oral tradition' passed on by word of mouth and elevated above the Torah. This oral tradition was later written down and is known as the Talmud today.

A Jew is not necessarily any worse as as a person than any other follower of a false religion. Also it is a religious issue, /pol/ only sees it in racial terms which is wrong.

And finally, the Bible compares the Jews to branches that were broken off of an olive tree and gentiles to branches that were grafted in to it, and it warns gentile Christians against boasting against the branches that were broken off, because we could be broken off just as easily if we fall into unbelief, and they can be grafted back in if they believe the Gospel.


a0ea10 No.410507

Major denominations of Jews:

Reform Jews: These are basically secular liberal Jews and they are pretty much like any other secular liberal. They practice religion mainly as a family and ethnic thing and a social club revolving around holidays, food, traditions, etc. They tend to be pro-gay, feminist, etc. They are not against converts to Judaism or intermarriage. Most of the 'Hollywood Jews' you hear about are probably Reform Jews.

Orthodox Jews:

These are the very religious Jews, the ones you might see with long beards and stereotypical clothing and hair. They tend to be anti-gay and accept that men and women have different roles. They also tend to be against Jews intermarrying and make conversion an arduous process in order to dissuade most from attempting it. While they believe the Old Testament and take much of it literally, they use the Talmud (they call it the oral Torah and believe it was also passed down from Moses) as a guide to interpret it and place the Talmud above the Bible. This involves a lot of twisted interpretations. Some also practice occultism called kabbalah.

Conservative Jews:

This seems to be sort of a middle ground between Reform and Orthodox Judaism.

Karaites:

This is a very small group. They are more similar to the Sadducees than the Pharisees, and unlike most Jews they do not see the oral law/Talmud as valid and they reject Rabbinical authority. They try to follow the Old Testament according to what they see as the plain meaning.


b7c9e5 No.410511

Would you save and hide a jew if there was literally another shoah afoot?


ce4fdf No.410513

>>410511

Depends. Do they beleive that Jesus and Mary are boiling in shit for eternity? Are they the kind who would steal from you for no reason?

Then no. I'd turn them in.

If they were good people? Yes, I'd die to save them.


5084cd No.410527

The Jews of the Old Testament had a covenant with God. That covenant was fulfilled with the arrival Jesus. But the Jews wanted a warrior to free them from Roman rule. And the Pharisees didn't want anyone usurping their power. They then murdered Jesus and his blood is on them and their descendants. The Jews then largely rejected the preaching of Christ's apostles and persecuted them. Christianity spread among the gentiles. And the followers of Christ became the children of Abraham. This new covenant, or New Testament, abrogated the Jew's chosen status. Christ died for all our sins. We are all chosen now. Yet, the Pharisees with their Talmudic hatred for Christianity, continue to reject Christ. Only through him will they get to heaven. After World War 2 it became uncomfortable to acknowledge this and most of organized Christianity backed away from these truths. See Vatican 2.

People don't hate Jews for that though, Jews are insidious. They control the media, finance, and politics. The push degeneracy and debt. They treat the law like a game to win. They despise Whites and actively push for their genocide. They are rapacious and faithless as the Old Testament attests. They have turned their backs on God and have become servants of the devil. They are enemies of all nations.


c94613 No.410551

Synagogue of Satan

Cursed people

Killers of Jesus

Tribe of the antichrist


45250d No.410646

I think that the Jews are part of God's chosen people and his covenant. But I don't think that means anything ridiculous like that they don't need Jesus to be saved. Rather I would say that perhaps it means that God will be harsher on them on the day of judgement, because they, though they had the covenant, still chose to reject Christ.


11807b No.410690

>>410444

I converted from a reform Jewish background. I think most criticisms of Jewish influence are accurate, but confused. The liberal Jews who have power and influence are atheists and do not practice. Whenever I see someone make an argument that "Jews do X because the Talmud says Y" I roll my eyes because 99% of these kinds of Jews couldn't even tell you what the Talmud is, let alone even read Hebrew. What is scary for a Christian to understand is that they are evil not for following Judaism, but in actuality, Satan.


db6a7e No.410899

The jews of today are the physical and spiritual descendants of the scribes and pharisees whom Jesus berated and called the sons of their father, the Devil, and the synagogue of Satan. They begged for His blood to be upon them and their descendants. They are guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, because they alone of all people had the gifts of the Law and the Prophets and still could not recognize their own Messiah.

The jews of today are cursed. Those that can be converted, should be, and those unwilling should be shunned and locked out of society for the damage they do with their subversion. Even though we should remove those unrepentant jews from our lands, we should still pray for their souls and for God's mercy to come upon them, but just because we don't hate the wolf doesn't mean we should allow the wolf to live with the sheep.

Many of the Jews of Jesus' time did accept Him; those are NOT the jews of today, those became Christian are are the ones to/for whom Matthew and Hebrews were written.


dc37d1 No.413815

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>>410445

>>410527

>>410646

Not what Vatican II says laddy


6aa3e0 No.413844

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31c286 No.413908

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>>413815

The vatican is full of child-rapist and child-rape enablers, freemasons and disgusting jesuits.

Why should anyone listen to what they have to say?

inb4 banhammer, it is an indisputable fact that the vatican is of SATAN.

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408b6c No.413926

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bf771b No.413931

>>413908

You should have made an effort post with revelation verses with pictures related and all. Maybe link to a few books and documentaries too.


01ed67 No.413946

OP here, I understand the Jews arent the """"""chosen people"""""" anymore, but on this board I see a lot of wacky conspiracy stuff which itself isnt morally wrong, but seems to turn into outright hatred of the Jews,


349e37 No.413950

>>410444

>they killed other prophets

what other prophets did the jews kill?


31c286 No.413981

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>>413946

I don't know what you've read but shocking amount of that conspiracy stuff is actually true.


2caa1a No.413986

Canons of the ecumenical councils are binding, no?

If so the fourth lateran council forbids Jews holding public office and prescribes them to wear distinguishing dress of some kind.


408b6c No.413989

>>413981

But suspicion =/= Disdain or hatred.

I don't trust Jews at all, but not in a spiteful manner. Especially the laity. They can't help being the tools of the Devil. Same goes for Muslims…

and Protestants


2caa1a No.413996

>>413989

this tbh. Muslims are for the most part ignorant of a lot of history, simply because they're not taught it. It's very hard to explain pre-Islamic history, especially when the Koran makes a lot of claims about said history which contradict everything we know about it.

A muslim girl I know has no understanding about the invasion of Iberia. She was told that it was always Islamic and that Christian invaders conquered it. I asked her if that's true, why are there Christian documents and churches dating before Islamic documents, and she said she had no idea. When she asked her Imam, he simply said they were forgeries.


460b73 No.414003

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>>413926

>and here we see the pope in his natural habitat

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76342e No.414035

>>414003

It's Saint Wolfgang you idiot.


408b6c No.414198

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>>414003

keep preaching pal…




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