I want to have a beautiful, traditional, Catholic life with a Catholic woman. I don't care much for faith. I love the rituals and the culture, and I will give lots of money to the Church. I am not a theologian. I like the stories in the bible, and Christ's morality, but not much else.
Am I a fraud?
>Am I a fraud?
Joseph Ratzinger, after having preached so much about truth and relativism, was once asked about what he makes of the fact that apparently many studies come to the conclusion that people who pray regularly have less problems with high blood pressure and mental health issues, etc.
And he replied that this might well be the case but that if you use prayer only as a kind of psychological trick or as a medical trick to deal with your blood pressure, it won't work, anymore.
And I think the same is true in regards to political and cultural issues. If people who don't really have faith, who only have faith in faith but not faith in God, use it as a political trick to get their "tradwife" and their "tradlife", it won't work anymore. Only if you seek the Kingdom of God FIRST, things such as "tradwives" might follow.
But what if you're smart and just can't fully believe in it because it's so laughably stupid? I mean, the universe could be a simulation, so there could be a God, but it's obvious that there's no "personal" God that values my "soul."
Would you rather have a million atheists quietly tithing and pretending to pray or a million atheists shitposting about how the "magical sky fairy" is a lie and donating to their local communist party?
You can't have it all. Some people are born to doubt, and that's just the way it is.
>Some people are born to
Well, it's not like I as a Calvinist would argue with that :^)
>But what if you're smart and just can't fully believe in it because it's so laughably stupid?
Yeah, I was thinking about saying, "It's Gods will" but my theology is shit so I didn't make a theological argument.
So do you think I'm right? Don't you think it would be better for Christendom if this were the case?
If there exists any creator who does not love his creation, then he is a flawed creator. The artisan loves his creation if he has made it well, and if he has not made it well, it is out of defect of his skill. Man was indeed made well, because God is not defective, and therefore God loves him.
He's basically a self-admitted larper is what I'm getting from this thread.
You're a fedora that absolutely does not believe in anything, but wants to reap all the benefits of being a Christian. Does that sound like a fraud to you?
Regardless of our or your thoughts, God will judge you in the end.
now that western society is literally going to shit at increasing rates
>You're a fedora that absolutely does not believe in anything, but wants to reap all the benefits of being a Christian
I have the feeling that this will become a new trend among conservative fedoras
I hate the program I am writing right now.
I think if there is a God, he will understand why it was hard for me to believe in him when there was so little evidence of His existence. I figure if I live my life as a good Christian, but don't really believe, the worst I'll get is purgatory for a few thousand years before going to Heaven.
>If there exists any creator who does not love his creation, then he is a flawed creator
God hates all works of iniquity, he hates bloody and deceitful men, workers of iniquity and bloody/deceitful men are part of God's creation, so by your strange reasoning God is flawed?
> I figure if I live my life as a good Christian, but don't really believe
just for the sake of curiosity considering that good deeds without faith are worth nothing
what do you mean with good christian life? you'll follow what the Church says when you agree with it and reject the teachings when you disagree (ie. probably teachings concerning sexuality)
because if God doesn't exist what authority can the Bible or the Church have?
The only thing I disagree with for the Church are contraception in the 3rd world and theism. Earth can only support around 10 billion humans, but it's not really an issue I personally care about. The main reason I want to be a tradcath is because I want to have more than 2 kids. A bunch would be great. Recent research into the science of happiness has shown that fecund people are happier than people who only have 1 or 2 kids.
Basically, nothing I disagree with affects me personally, so I don't care. I don't care about contraception because I don't live in Africa, and I don't care about faith or theology because I am a code monkey and such things don't concern me.
>But what if you're dumb and just can't fully believe in it because it's so complicated?
Fixed it for you, if you think you are so smart study logic and philosophy and unless you have some kind of bias i.e you don't want "sky daddy" telling you what to do then you will believe.
Fallen man is different from created man. This is pretty fundamental. Pretty sure when you start reading the first and second chapters of Genesis you learn about this. After the day God created man he saw it was very good.
There is nothing complicated about, "God did it."
There's nothing complicated about "the big bang did it".
thanks for the answer and honesty
>he will understand
Matthew 7:21-23, 13:38-43
There is though. Ever taken a physics couse?
Honestly, you can fuck right off. Your atheism vs. theism circlejerk has nothing to do with the OP subject in this thread.
I would go down this with you but the fact you think that "God did it" is my answer to everything you clearly aren't honest about it. I used to be a fedora so i can see where you are coming from, but if you aren't suffering as a fedora i'm not sure it would be possible to convince you otherwise because your mind has already been able to deal with any cognitive dissonance or you just don't care if you actually exist or not.
Atheism doesn't require cognitive dissonance. Off topic post too.
Well i think the fact you are getting these responses from people tells you something about what you want to do in your op. When you join the Catholic Church you are taking an oath that you believe in the one God and that he took flesh on earth to save us. Participating in catholic life without actually taking this seriously is a really scummy thing to do imo because you are basically lying every time you go to church or worse yet take communion.
Lucifer must have been very good then. Working as intended.
>I hate the program I am writing right now.
Usually you'd have a reason. Perhaps it is because it is a difficult or boring process (which is irrelevant to God), or maybe it is because it seems useless or inadequate in your eyes, or perhaps for any number of reasons. I won't speculate on why you would hate your creation. If you hate it by its own right, it is in your eyes, to a certain extent, a bad creation.
>Participating in catholic life without actually taking this seriously is a really scummy thing to do imo because you are basically lying every time you go to church or worse yet take communion.
You need to grow up and learn about consequentialist morality.
Being a Mountain Dew sipping atheist neckbeard is worse for society than being a Catholic dad of 4 kids.
Fallen angels, fallen man, I don't understand why this is hard to grasp. Are you saying God is to blame for man's evil? Are you saying God is to blame for Satan's evil?
In my experience, it has been the trend for a long time. I suspect they are a large part of why churches are so easily infiltrated, subverted, and liberalized. It's easy to destroy an institution if nobody there actually believes what it stands for.
I'm not trying to become the next Pope.
Don't any of you know that atheism was common among peasants in the Middle Ages because none of them could read the Gospels for themselves? Christianity still flourished.
orthopraxy > orthodoxy
You can live a morally Catholic life if you want, but you can't participate in any of the sacraments (including Baptism). So you wouldn't really be a Catholic.
True or not, the peasants didn't have the internet and jewish law firms to circlejerk with each other and form Freedom From Religion groups after they plundered the cultural resources.
I was baptised shortly after I was born, cuck boy.
Think about it. I could potentially raise 10 Catholic kids, or 2 fedora communists. Which is better for the Church?
Not sure what you're trying to say, but I guess 8ch has Jewdwin's Law.
Why don't you just convert to judaism? You're practically already there.
You seem like a very angry person i can tell you are suffering, i will pray for you.
I'm not cutting the end of my dick off for that triabal cult. They're going extinct in the Americas anyway.
You don't even know who I am lol.
God knows who you are lad
But you already leech off of the host, anon. Plus, it would make it easier for us to deport you.
its beautiful you've seen the fruits
i pray you come to grasp the tree!
I'm Canadian. You can't deport me.
It's a start, some people just develop their devotion and piety over time.
Just keep doing it and you will change slowly.
It would be great if that happened.
Idk why everyone freaks out over me eating the magical cracker before this happens.
Faking it to make it in church and being unequally yoked is why people have a problem. You're not trying to believe, you don't even want to believe, you're just play acting. Saying people that do believe are too stupid hasn't earned you any friends either.
Technically speaking, he created both those and knew before he created them that they'd be bad and yet that didn't stop him from creating them.
I'd say God is responsible for all creation, but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Says in the bible that if you 'partake of communion unworthily' it's to your detriment and 'many sleep because of this'.
>he will understand why it was hard for me to believe in him when there was so little evidence of His existence
The bible as a special revelation reveals Gods character, and it also speaks of how no-one is going to be able to use that excuse because,
>For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
>Idk why everyone freaks out over me eating the magical cracker before this happens.
Because Catholicism is a silly pagan ritualistic non-Christian "church"?
My own mother used to claim that the bread would literally turn into Christ's flesh and that the experience of it was "magical". Stuff like this is why people are generally deterred by religion, because most religions are really, really dumb.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)
I am sincerely a Baptist, and I wouldn't want him in my church either.
>this entire thread
The death and rebirth of the West cannot come soon enough.
People like OP disgust me on a fundamental, visceral level.
If this is bait, 11/10 I'm absolutely furious.
Christianity is more scientific than fedoraism
Why do I disgust you?
Atheism doesn't require science.
get over yourselves
some people find the tree of life by the root;
others by the fruit
he is showing an interest in the church; even if its for more vain reasons.
>Why do I disgust you?
Because you're reaping the benefits with none of the work? You're parasitic.
While flippantly calling it "Stupid" to believe? haha, yeah no.
>But what if you're smart and just can't fully believe in it because it's so laughably stupid?
Why would a Christian marry someone who thinks we're idiots?
OP again. There is this fag boy I want to rail before I get married. He's a little twink. How many indulgences do I have to buy to make up for it? Man ass is on my bucket list. Not really a "lifestyle" or "identity" I want to commit to, but I want to commit a gravely homosexual act once and only once. I want to sexually dominate another man. It's a power thing, not about post-modern faggotism or rainbow flags.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)
She won't know any better, and besides, I will just tell her I have "doubts" and that I "pray about it."
Oh gee, where shall I begin?
>wants a traditional life with a Catholic wife
>wants his cake and wants to eat it, too
>"But what if you're totally enlightened and can't get on the level of cavemen, dood, I'm waaaay too smart for silly religion"
>God will totally give me a free pass even though I'm willingly unbelieving
>refers to the Church's most important sacrament as a "magical cracker"
Disgust is too polite of a word to describe the feeling I have.
No, YOU get over yourself.
He talks like a larper. He refers to religion as "stupid" and thinks he's above us.
The last thing we need is more cultural Christians.
All right, this has to be bait.
I refuse to believe you exist.
Vade retro satana.
>Atheism doesn't require science.
You're right, it only requires Satan.
No I'm serious. There's this delightful little American twink at the local uni. Unfortunately, he recently grew a beard, but I could get him to shave it. I would love to rail him and then stay in touch and be friends. He's bi too, not a fagfag.
Maybe executing homosexuals isn't that bad of an idea.
Maybe those Baptists are on to something.
Pope Francis won't allow it though.
He's limp-wristed and he'll die one day.
>implying this will allow the Vatican II to go full on fagdeath later
This is Cultural Catholicism the threat.
This thread is comedic.
i agree, but its still a sh#t-show
OP do you got salsa fever?
If you would had found God intellectually, but had difficulties accepting Him into your heart(being told that God doesn't exist, and everyone who believes He does are stupid by society can have that effect), you wouldn't be a fraud, and no Catholic would deny you entry into our church. We'd welcome you with open arms.
What you're doing, as many other people have said, is LARPing, while thinking of yourself as superior to Christians, and mocking the most sacred of apostolic traditions; the sacrament of holy communion.
You, sir, are a fraud. Unless you display at least a desire to believe and an openness to the faith, that will not change.
>peasants were atheists during the dark ages
I spend my days studying the medieval period, and this is the first time I hear this claim, ever. Can you provide a source?
You should be disgusted with yourself for thinking about another man like that.
>trump wants to deport this
Mods should delete THIS bait thread.
YES OP, YOU'RE A FRAUD.
>"I want to have a beautiful, traditional, Catholic life"
>"I want to commit to, but I want to commit a gravely homosexual act once and only once."
>try to defend op as an honest cultural catholic looking for the fruits of the faith
>"yeah he's being arrogant but at least he's interested"
>OP posts this:
h-heh this isn't bait i mean…we were all very sinfully inclined b-before coming to the fullness of truth, r-right?