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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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99a16f  No.491187

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b0efdd  No.811376


Yes, it hurts at first but you will get used to it.

94efd1  No.811381


Ah, thanks, that is comforting. I thought I was some kind of invalid.

36f038  No.811387

I want to start attending church (and eventually begome ordodox) but I struggle with social anxiety. I'm afraid I'll do something stupid or improper, and I'm too shy to reach out to a parish and inquire about things. What do I do?

df660c  No.811452


Sit in the back and watch? It's not like it's very difficult to not get yourself noticed in a church. Just make sure you're sitting behind everyone else, and voilà, you're invisible.

If it's a Protestant church you want to check out, the pastor might ask you to say something. So just in case, you should talk to him/her before the service begins, just to say you're only here to watch and nothing more.

df660c  No.811459


I think that Christianity is the only world religion that offers salvation by faith alone. Before I get jumped on by Catholics - let me precise what I mean: as St Paul says so eloquently to the Church of Rome, we might be able to be recognized as righteous (justified) by other human beings, but we cannot compare to the perfect righteousness of God, and therefore the only way to be truly righteous is not to rely on our own works, but to have faith in God and let His works become ours, so to speak. Then we can say with St Paul that "it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me". Of course, this is a living, active faith, a faith in God that unites us to Him in such a way that we become members of His Son's Body. A faith that does not produce good works is no faith at all, but a caricature, a mere intellectual assent.

Why is this important? Because other religions do not offer this. They do not rely on God absolutely and entirely, with love and confidence. Buddhism is all about you changing yourself. Islam focuses on works a lot, almost like a "points" system, and there is no room for the Christian concept of "faith" since they believe that God fore-ordains absolutely everything and therefore there can be no free will in the Christian understanding of it. Even Judaism, which is actually very close to Paul's understanding of justification, fails to pass the test because the Jews' hearts have not been circumcised yet and so the impulse to rely on God and follow His commandments comes from the outer threat of the Law and not from the inner push of the Spirit.


Kneeling does hurt. And I don't kneel a lot, since I'm Orthodox and we must remain standing on Sundays, but on Pentecost we remain kneeled for a good 20 minutes (with prostrations throughout) and it's horrible (but humbling!).

849e8d  No.811599

Because of things like the Rosary to Catholics spend more time praying to Mary of intercession than they do to God directly?

6a3a0f  No.811642


No, pastor Jim, they don't.

849e8d  No.811648


So assuming a person prays the Rosary once a day they also pray another 45 or so prayers for God?

ce65f9  No.811652


It doesn't matter the amount of prayers said, Catholics still pray to and honor God. You are still under the impression that prayer = worship. Prayer is literally just asking. Asking Mary, the Queen of Heaven, to pray for us is no different than asking the anons here to pray for us.

94efd1  No.811670

The way I understand it we're supposed to move on past vocal prayer and eventually mental prayer to more intimate things like acquired recollection, the prayer of quiet, etc. When our spiritual director deems us ready at least.

e27635  No.811686

Should I read the Summa Theologica or City of God first?

f75ff6  No.811689


Some of us may indeed spend more time praying to Mary than directly to God. This is not a bad thing, as we understand that all of Mary's glory is derivative of God's, and therefore when we glorify her we also glorify God.


I'm planning on reading City of God first myself.

ca1f89  No.811718


Neither, read the summa of the summa, reality by lagrange , and the three principles of boehme.

4180ae  No.811732

Is evolution incompatible with Christianity?

1574af  No.811777

Would Roman Catholic Church move back to Jerusalem if they have the chance or is there something special about Rome that they prefer more?

9b0d29  No.811805



>move back

Was it ever seated in Jerusalem?

also checked

ca1f89  No.811806

1574af  No.811809


I was thinking in terms of earliest Christians starting out in Jerusalem. It would make sense to make the land the messiah was born in the epicenter of all Churches, but I don't know if this is an official stance Catholics or Orthodox believe in?

b7b33e  No.811816


No , I get where catholics are comming from I know they aren’t literally worshiping Mary or invoking her name as some magic talisman. My issue just seems to be In the emphasis - for instance would you not think it was a bit strange if a person spent more time asking other anons to pray for her than actually praying to god themselves?

834ef3  No.811849


>for instance would you not think it was a bit strange if a person spent more time asking other anons to pray for her

This guy just used "her" as a gender-neutral pronoun, that's a MAJOR leftist tell. I think it's a sure bet that he's just a troll and not arguing in good faith at all.

365dff  No.811850


The Catholics assert that Rome is the head because it was the Capital City and also where Peter was seated and martyred. The Orthodox still believe that Rome should have the primacy of honor, but that void has been filled with Constantinople (which was also the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire). Hard to tell what would have happened had Peter been seated and martyred in Alexandria, but that's pure hypothetical.

There is also an argument that Peter never actually worked as an Archbishop in Rome as he was intercepted before he took the seat, but that's not particularly relevant in the face of the other two facts. That it was the heart of the empire and spoke the lingua franca (although that too has been argued considering Koine Greek was quite popular throughout the empire because of the earlier Alexander and numerous academic works, the strongest argument for Latin is that it was the de jure language even if not the de facto).

Jerusalem is still valued very highly, but the center was based more on practical concerns than on Holiness or 'historical' value of that makes sense.

365dff  No.811860


That's not an accurate description of prayer to Mary. The problem with the anon asking for prayers isn't that she is asking others to pray for her, but that she isn't praying herself. Or even worse, that she demands others to pray to her without praying herself. Prayer to Mary is to ask the Mother of Christ to pray for you, not that you are praying for her. Even the Rosary ensures that you pray to God directly when done appropriately, and in services there are also prayers to guardian Angels and saints. In those services, there are also prayers for the sick and suffering, for the nation, for deaconit and priesthood, and also too the saints and departed. They pray for you, and you for them. Mary is special, she was deemed worthy to bear Christ Himself. Of all the people to have on your side praying for you, shes the best candidate.

Prayer to Mary is still prayer to Christ, though you should absolutely pray to God directly. Its stage 1 and stage 2 really.

1574af  No.811890


Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to answer.

6261aa  No.811951


Adding on to my earlier post, can I get a general idea of when a sin is worse than other sins, and how/why/what makes it worse?

fe40cc  No.812083

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To take a crack at your question, see the seven capital vices (aka the seven deadly sins).

If one were to rank them from worst to "less worse" Pride would be the #1 capital vice. Pride is known as "the father of all vice" as all other capital vices directly stem from pride. It is through pride sinners think they know more than God and can get away with commiting other sins. For example

>I know God said fornication is wrong, but it just feels SOOOOOOOOOOOO good getting my cummies and hearung the moans of women

>I know God said envying my neighbor's wealth is bad, but he is a greedy capitalist that needs to be forced to share his wealth with others

>I know God said He created me, but God is clearly a cuck and I am waaaay smarter than he will ever be, ergo He doesn't real. Only my euphoria is real.

Things like that. All the other vices breed sins from them. Personally I think they are all equally bad in their own right. If you want to learn more. I highly suggest Fr. Chad Ripperger's sermons on the seven deadly sins. He takes a Thomastic approach to the definition of the vices and sins and how they interact with one another to display symptoms in the physical person.

>embed related

His sermon on "sloth" and how sloth is a main cause of depression in people. It is through our own sloth a proper spiritual life isn't cultivated. Which eventually leads us to despair among other things.

b7b33e  No.812086


Thanks for responding, so if I understand it correctly having a rosary for say a particular saint work on a simmilar principle as its still ultimately revolves around prayers to God?

d9a82c  No.812092

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Yes, in fact there are other prayer devotionals other than the Rosary. St. Michael the Archangel has a chaplet dedicated to him and the angels and archangels in heaven. St. Padre pio has a chaplet. St. Joseph has one. St. Mary Magdalene has one. Even the Holy Spirit has a chaplet.

All the prayer beads are is a tool to help bring order to your thoughts and bring praise to God at the same time.

365dff  No.812098


Even during an appropriate rosary prayer you start with the Creed, followed by Our Father, then the Hail Mary's, interspersed with Glory be's and Our Fathers. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say that its 100% Mary prayers. If you're an Orthodox like me we dont recognize the Rosary method but use a prayer rope. Same concept (short, memorized prayers counted with beads strung on a rope meant to be meditated upon). We don't emphasize the use of it to prayers for Mary, but almost exclusively use it to pray "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on Me, a Sinner". The goal for the prayer rope, and I would assert the Rosary but I'm not an expert, is to come to mean the statement not just saying it and expecting it to work. You can use a Rope for other prayers that you'd like to meditate on, but it's meant for the Jesus prayer. I used it to help memorize Psalm 50 and the Apostles Creed for example. It's a tool meant to aid you, not become the vehicle of your salvation if that makes sense.

54085f  No.812183


Here friend, let me show you a quote from St. Louis de Montfort's book "The Secret of the Rosary" to you, it'll dispell any doubts you might have and needless to say, I recommend the entire book to you as well:

"…Although this new hymn is in praise of the Mother of God and is sung directly to her, it is nevertheless most glorious to the Blessed Trinity, for any honour we pay to our Lady returns inevitably to God, the source of all her perfections and virtues. God the Father is glorified when we honour the most perfect of his creatures; God the Son is glorified when we praise his most pure Mother; the Holy Spirit is glorified when we are lost in admiration at the graces with which he has filled his spouse. When we praise and bless our Lady by saying the Angelic Salutation, she always refers these praises to God in the same way as she did when she was praised by St. Elizabeth. The latter blessed her in her high dignity as Mother of God and our Lady immediately returned these praises to God in her beautiful Magnificat."

293364  No.812240

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so there's a cutie in my church who I started noticing and talking with, but I found out she's 15.

I myself am 21, would it be wrong for me to express my feelings to her, knowing I wouldn't be able to marry her until she's 18?

Basically, is it wrong to have a gf who is 15 when you are 21 (Of course there would be no funny business until marriage)

e3292d  No.812246


Approach her father and try to convince him to betrothe her to you.

703610  No.812257

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What exactly is the scope of the pope's infallibility? Catholic.com defines it as "What infallibility does do is prevent a pope from solemnly and formally teaching as “truth” something that is, in fact, error.", but other Catholic sources I've seen define it as "The pope is infallible in matters of interpreting scripture". Which one is it?

Also, why doesn't the pope prove this? It would be fairly trivial to set up evidence of this. Simply have him say something in regards to what his infallibility covers that he knows to be true, and then attempt to say something within the scope of his infallibility that he knows to be false?

924604  No.812258

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Can someone explain to me why we pray for the state of the soul of the dead? It doesn't make sense that our prayers would affect the judgment of those that already made all their decisions, unless our prayers affect the past.

Example: If I was to pray for the soul of say, Thomas Jefferson, would this really affect whether he goes to heaven?

e3292d  No.812269


We can pray for the Dead because the dead might be in purgatory and not in hell. If they are in purgatory our prayers might just be enough to get them out early. Ask for those in Hell well he's pretty fruitless but we can't really know if they are in Hell or not unless a messaged from God tells us person 'x' is in hell.

As for praying for someone like Jefferson a deist and possibly a Freemason, personally, I think you may be wasting your time.

c9ed9e  No.812315


Is the non recognition of the Rosary due to its prominence in Catholicism and Catholic miracles?

Is the Orthodox position also like that in >>812183?

f344a5  No.812329


Not particularly. The Rosary is a later, post-Schism development for the Catholics. There is no real need to adopt it when the practice of Prayer Ropes is ancient and still widely practiced. As time has moved forward, the Catholic and Orthodox understanding of Mary has changed from each other (Immaculate Conception, and then several of the Our Lady miracles), despite what some may try to tell you. We're talking about two churches who separated from each other partly because of one word in the Apostles Creed. I view it as a Catholic development of Hesychasm, which is a practice that is very prominent in the EO but fell out of favor (or perhaps never even caught on) in the West post-Schism.

As for the quote, if it's not 100% in agreement it's very, very in-line with Orthodox thought on the subject. The difference is more fundamental, Catholics have a different perspective of Sin and Mariology than the Orthodox. While they may share many external similarities or come to similar conclusions, it's the degree of difference that can lead to vastly different conclusions.

e6dcf3  No.812428


Maybe you can get married earlier with parental and judicial consent depending where you live.

e6dcf3  No.812431

I had a wet dream last night where I knew I was dreaming. I also knew my sexual dream was sinful while it was happening thinking I could get away with it because I was dreaming. Am I in mortal sin?

2ffa46  No.812437


As I understand it, the state called "lucid" in dreaming is not actually full lucidity, but more like an illusion of control… In reality our head is not all there, and sin is not imputed while we're asleep, even venially. If you encouraged these dreams by e.g. entertaining impure thoughts before bed, then the dream would have some degree of sin attached, but attached to the fact that you let it happen rather than the dream itself. I've experienced what you're talking about, though, and it can be a real pain in the butt if you deal with scruples.

97c7bc  No.812445

My friend is trying to convince me that Jesus overwrites everything in the Old Testament and that the OT shouldn't be followed in favor of the New Testament (NT). Is he correct?

365dff  No.812451


The teaching on this will differ depending on the church. Generally speaking, your friend is correct in that most of the Old Testament is retained for historical reference and a few of its orders and prayers are still practiced (mainly the 10 commandments and the Psalms). The New Testament is where most of the practices are found.

The reality is that Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament, that all of the objects of authority and the law were preconfigurations of Christ and thus became whole in Christ. Any use of the OT as authority is invalid in the face of Christ.

b35049  No.812454

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What is it like to read Scripture with your spouse anons?

aa5175  No.812497


>thinking papists will ever prove anything

Sorry anon catholicism is a LARP and they wrote themselves into a corner by claiming several things that could be easily proven but refuse to do so. The pope's "infallibility" is a sham that they refuse to provide any actual evidence for when it can literally be proven true/false in 5 minutes

384511  No.812850

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Is going to another church for confession a bad thing? I have been holding off going to church for a year because of some of the sins I am very ashamed of to tell my local priest.

e6dcf3  No.812851


No it's not bad. Just do it.

e6dcf3  No.812852

Anyone else depressed over the fact we are cursed with original sin?

2fba8c  No.812871


No, I always go to another parish because my main one only does face-to-face confessions and I'd rather go to a confessional.

c5536c  No.813039

Tips on evangelizing to a friend of mine? I've never really tried evangelizing to anyone before, but I keep thinking about that one Penn Gillette quote from his "gift of a Bible" YouTube video. The one about "how much would you have to hate someone to not give them something that you believe is eternal life" or whatever. Things to consider:

>we're fraternity brothers

>he's gay

>the other day he said he loves Jesus

>he's always referencing my faith in conversations

I just want to reach out to him because I see that he has some sort of faith, but I think it's misplaced given that a lot of his actions are pretty sinful. Inb4 the beam in the eye thing, I just want to know the best way to approach this situation to help him out.

b0a1d6  No.813296

Every day there are people who go through far worse ordeals than Jesus did. More painful and drawn-out deaths, more suffering that lasts longer than what Jesus went through, greater cases of betrayal, greater cases of torture, etc. I'm not sure how to word my question, but it seems like Jesus' suffering wasn't 'really that bad' compared to what other people go through, or that it's diminished in grandeur by comparison. How am I supposed to still be moved by Jesus' suffering knowing this?

c5536c  No.813375


Because Jesus didn't just die a physical death, he took on all of the sins of every person to ever live so that they'd be nailed to the cross and die with him. He paid the debt for all of our transgressions, then went to hell for 3 days to preach to the lost souls there, and rose again. Not to mention how he was hated by the very people he came to save, the people he loved so much he'd die for them and pay the price for their sins.

4bfb40  No.813390


>Is kneeling supposed to hurt? I am not yet converted but I like to go to mass. Every time I try to emulate the faithful and kneel, there's intolerable pain in my kneecaps as they rest on the kneeler.

The pain in the knees becomes tolerable after a few hundred masses. What never goes away is the horrible back pain. Be glad you're not in an Orthodox church, at least, because standing for long periods is even more painful than kneeling.

b1f248  No.813392


The least confrontational way is to just continue bringing him close to the lord and let Jesus do the talking for you. Eventually he will see it

6261aa  No.813487

Which sins are mortal and which are venial? Are certain sins always one or the other, or are some dependent on gravity/context? The only list I've seen is wikipedia's, and I don't think that it is reliable. (I would have thought stealing was mortal, but it isn't listed)

5320d9  No.813515


Mortal requires knowledge of its gravity and consent of the person's will

5320d9  No.813525


To expand on this (from fisheaters:)

A mortal or "deadly" sin is a grave sin that results in eternal punishment, turning us away from God and the last end we are called to. A sin is venial when it involves a lighter matter and doesn't result in eternal punishment.

In order to be culpable for a mortal sin, three conditions must be met: 1) the sin we commit must be grave or we must think it is grave; 2) we must fully consent to it by our will; and 3) we must know or suspect or think it is a grave sin and fully advert to it with our minds ("advertence" is giving our attention to something. To fully advert to an act, we must be awake, in possession of our faculties, be of the age of reason, not be intellectually handicapped, etc.). Mortal sins must be confessed as soon as possible.

Venial sins can become mortal in some circumstances. For ex., stealing a little bit of money might not be a grave sin in certain circumstances, but doing so in order to get someone else blamed for it – an act of malice – can change the nature of the sin, raising it from venial to mortal. Joking to someone about the way he looks might not be a mortal sin in itself, but doing so while knowing that that person is extremely sensitive about his looks and that your joking about his appearance might cause him to go on a drinking binge could make that "little joke" a mortal sin.

b2082c  No.813599

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I have been having a rough time lately and my plans have all fallen apart, which has lead to another depressive episode. I have decided I want to live in a monastery for a period between 1 month (if I really end up disliking it) or maybe 5 maximum. I have a German citizenship, though my parents never taught me to speak German so I would like to go to a German monastery to be in my ancestral nation, and learn the language. I would prefer northern or central Germany since all my family have lived in the north for hundreds of years. I know some monasteries rent out rooms for cheap but I would like to live there and work as they do. I have lived on a farm and done labour jobs my whole life so I am used to hard work, and can help with growing food, animals, ect. Does anyone know if there are any such places I could go to?

I would not say I am religious but I wouldn't say I am a-religious either, although I was thinking Protestant/Lutheran but I am not entirely sure if there exists non-catholic monasteries. I am having a hard time finding information online that is not in German, as I don't understand enough to read well. Could anyone give me some advice or information? I would like to have a plan in place before I fly over to Europe, although I have 3 more months of my summer job so I am not in a huge rush.

Thank you.

bbe94a  No.813603

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Is there a way to transcend suffering through Jesus Christ? If so, how?

6112f3  No.813606


Die and go to heaven.

ca1f89  No.813613


All suffering a Christian goes through out of righteousness from bearing without retaliation the smallest of insults, to refusing income increases if it would even be possibly immoral, to being persecuted as a conscientious objector, to being straight up martyred, is a part of the Passion. Meditating on this and knowing it while going through pain gives you infinite endurance, the connection between Him and you with this provides it. Frequent meditation on the Passion strengthens this, you passing your pain to Him.

eac3f0  No.813624

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Why does everyone alway treat me like shit when I say that I'd rather children didn't run around during Mass? I don't mind that they attend, I think it's fine if babies are breastfed, and I understand if they cry. But I don't understand people letting them run around the aisles or up to the altar. I could behave as a child, and my parents wouldn't have tolerated me winnie the pooh around. Why do we now?

c3caf4  No.813649

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This is an easy one.

People do not like to be reminded they do something wrong. When they do so…they will counterattack immediately and accuse you of having a bad character for pointing out truth.

>It's not my fault my kids are not well behaving…be glad they at least go to church.

>It's just your autism and muh puritanism….God is surely glad they are here. You do not care about mass anyway

>You do not like Novus Ordo? Well you do not like the liturgy anyway you are just larping

>Condemning sodomy? Again you are a sinner too stop being a hypocrite. Also I think you might be a closet sodomite after all Freud's theory…

>Anything else.

People will project their own weaknesses onto you or they will accuse you because they do not like what you say….especially if it is true.

Their parents lack discipline themselves, do you think kids will have it?

The last few times I attended mass:

One woman was dressed as a whore, long legs hypnotizing all guys around

Other time there was a little black kid(probably adopted by european couple anyway) that ran all over the church without anyone stopping it.

The other time girl dressed as slut

A year ago I remember two girls doing something as a sort of a kiss right in front of me, being very "fond" of each other shall we say….

This is it. People do not fear God because they are liberal to the extent that their brains fall out. I do not understand why any of this is tolerated. When I discussed this I was immediately attacked as "pretentious" or something of the sort.

We lack morals, discipline and decency. Unfortunately

50a18a  No.813676

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I kind of have a difficult question, and am not sure if i should make a thread. I know that this site (and many people in general, especially Christians) are conservative and are strongly against any form of transgenderism. Basically i want to know if it's okay to be Christian and transgender?

I have spent my entire life missing/lounging for female aspects of my self, and that has lead to sin and disobedience to God. A lot of people are telling me to be transgender, and it's also a part of my life, God permits evil to test good, but what if the evil is also your biology?

For example people who are Gay, will only get aroused at men regardless of their beliefs, and sin itself is also biological to humanity (thankfully there is Christ). Is the wholeness if get from transgenderism still evil, if it helps me to live a biblical life, more so than a mentally ill "male" would?

a878b9  No.813684

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>I want to know if it's okay to be Christian and transgender?

Depends of what you mean by it. Just having the desire to be transgender? It's bad, just like having the desire to slap your neighbor is bad. However, the real problem is acting on it. We all have bad thoughts and bad desires; we're human and can't help it. Just learn to keep them in check.

>I have spent my entire life missing/lounging for female aspects of my self?

How strongly? Even as a young child? Cause if it's from adolescence, it can be a symptom of porn abuse. Also, are you attracted to females, males, both or none? "I long for boobies so much that I'd like to have some myself" can be a surprisingly common sentiment. The no-fap thread talks often about over-pornification and it's effects (pic related being a funny example, but also a very clear one of how too much porn and fapping twists your sexual preferences).

If you haven't done it, I suggest going into no fap (reduce it to once a week or less for a month or two) and daily prayer. It'll help you calm yourself and get closer to God. Then, and only then, with a clear mind, think about this issue. I could give you the textbook answer of "it's sinful, repent" but, truth be told, I don't want to judge too hastily. De-sexualice yourself, get into a clearer state of mind, and think your issue over. Way too many trans transition just because they want to change something, so they go for an external change with a "run forward and never look back" attitude.

If you transition, keep in mind you'll never be a woman, just an artificial in-between. If you're not comfortable with that idea, DO NOT do it. If transitioning i for someone, it's for people who feel extremely uncomfortable about their gender, not for people who just would like to be a girl cause girls are cute (and who doesn't like cuteness?).

3bb338  No.813687


Its a very simple answer, so obvious it completely passes by most people who aren't really looking for it.

Transgender-ism is a lack of identity, its a disconnection between body and soul, and it only goes worse the more you indulge in it. Its not a small coincidence the majority of transsexuals, traps, transgenders and whatever, have severe personality and depression disorders.

The same goes for sexually obsessed people, women who go heavy on aesthetic surgeries and whatnot, famous people bind to their external image and etc.

In true there is nothing wrong with finding people of the same sex attractive and pretty, its another thing to perverse it. Yes, humans are sinners since genesis, but we have the choice to indulge or not in it, and live the consequences accordingly.

Its alright if you have a stronger feminine side, and its alright if women doesn't seem as attractive to you, but life is more than just getting the most pleasure you can from your sexual organs, today's society is obsessed with sex. But it doesn't have to be that way, its ok to be chaste, true love is asexual afterall.

50a18a  No.813699


> How strongly? Even as a young child?

I don't know about transgenderism, but from childhood, i was more into cute toys (stuffed animals, cartoon romance) instead of more masculine toys (like trucks or cars) with Disney movies shaping me.

>Cause if it's from adolescence, it can be a symptom of porn abuse.

I have some porn abuse in my past.

>are you attracted to females, males, both or none?

Both. I am currently doing no-fap again.

>If transitioning i for someone, it's for people who feel extremely uncomfortable about their gender, not for people who just would like to be a girl cause girls are cute (and who doesn't like cuteness?).

Okay, thank you for your reply. i'll set aside transitioning, and work on no-fap, which is surprisingly a lot easier now.


I am currently working on being no-fap and have been working on it for a long time (and will continue to), i am also dealing with mental illness. Having a feminine half helps keep my porn abusive male self in check.

3bb338  No.813723


>working on being no-fap

Sorry to say it, but either you're on a nofap or not, sure you can fail sometimes, but there isn't a middle term nofap.

>Having a feminine half helps keep my porn abusive male self in check

Again calling your bullshit, and given your other answer its pretty clear you're just a degenerate. I think it proves my point quite well.

Now being manly and heterosexual doesn't imply being abusive, this is just the degenerate side that brought this on. Now you know the way and the answer, its up to you to keep straight.

a878b9  No.813744

In a recently deleted thread, a user was sperging out about how unjust was God cause, despite praying, he was wasn't getting what he wanted. Another anon referred to him as "Kenneth Smiley". Who is Kenneth Smiley? Searching online I get some news about arrests and criminal records, a bunch of obituaries and a black guy selling insurance. Who's Smiley, a recurring character who comes here, get's banned, and returns with another proxy? Most boards have one or two of that kind of "users".

8af85f  No.813772


smiley is a long time lolcow, BO of /fringe/, and well known crazy person.

50a18a  No.813787


>but there isn't a middle term nofap.

I totally agree, what i mean is that i've failed many times.

>Again calling your bullshit,

>and given your other answer its pretty clear you're just a degenerate.

I am a degenerate, but you're misunderstanding me, When i say my female half keeps my male half in check, i don't mean transgenderism keeps me in check, but instead that unexplored aspects of myself help me to see the negative image of masculinity that I've been wrongfully using.

>Now you know the way and the answer, its up to you to keep straight.

Absolutely, have a good day anon.

30213e  No.813832

…Is it permissible for a Catholic to take anti hair loss medication? It counts as vanity, but would it be a mortal sin?

b1f248  No.813849


Anon I don't know, but i'm pretty sure you won't get any good answers here for a question like that. I'm pretty sure it's not even close to a mortal sin, but I would ask a spiritual director or priest this question to understand the gravity of it.

As a matter of fact I am seeing my spiritual director tomorrow morning so I will ask on your behalf.

924604  No.813868

Why does the dogma of perpetual virginity matter enough to be, well, dogma? What are its implications and what makes it theologically necessary to the Catholics and Orthodox?

a878b9  No.813879



You should read that link, it'll explain it better than I can.

"Mary is a virgin because her virginity is the sign of her faith ‘unadulterated by any doubt,’ and of her undivided gift of herself to God’s will. It is her faith that enables her to become the mother of the Savior: ‘Mary is more blessed because she embraces faith in Christ than because she conceives the flesh of Christ’” (CCC 506). Mary was not blessed because she gave birth; she gave birth because she was blessed: blessed to be chosen by God and more blessed still to have the pure faith to respond with an unreserved “yes” to God’s call – a pure faith she never lost or tainted.

65c41d  No.813927

Matthew 5:38

>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Does this verse prohibit self-defense?

e66431  No.813952


Thou shalt lurk moar for thy question hath been answered one thousand fold. 8ch 10:21

38a8c1  No.813958



There's nothing sinful about it unless it takes away your time and focus on god. This is the case for all issues of vanity. Only you can answer how it makes you feel

ca1f89  No.813971


You can, in Catholicism at least, choose to utilize violence in life or not. It is higher not to.

101993  No.814183

is crossdressing a sin when playing a character in a play, or cosplaying? curious.

cdba76  No.814232


Yes, either one reinforces tranyism which is not okay.

e30a7e  No.814306

File: 5b06791e42f50cc⋯.jpg (73 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, France-map.jpg)

Any French anon here?

I would like to ask why do French people call France "The Hexagon"?

e3292d  No.814314

File: c10d1f5fcf9ff80⋯.png (448.6 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, 2019_06_13_085216.png)


Hi anon, burgeranon here. I can't speak on my froganon neighbors, but I assume it has to do with France looking like a hexagon. Pic related is my approximation as to what the hexagon looks like.

365dff  No.814316


Might also have something to do with the cultural French thing, where there are French, French-Canadians, French-Algerians, etc. Like Great Britain to America and Australia. A way to distinguish it.

687c23  No.814322

File: dd16a2eb6596feb⋯.png (112.47 KB, 1428x1676, 357:419, Germ.png)


You could do the same to, say, Germany, yet no one calls Germany an hexagon.

e3292d  No.814330


Not all Europeans are the same. Maybe it's just a french thing to call mainland France "The Hexagon".

b2082c  No.814332

File: ef448a88bf5a50b⋯.png (155.16 KB, 700x545, 140:109, not a hexagon.png)


How does this look like a hexagon to you?

ca1f89  No.814339

File: 3bc264a92e53b0d⋯.png (446.71 KB, 557x557, 1:1, Hexagone.png)


>Mainland France (French: la France continentale), or just "the mainland" (French: le continent), does not include the French islands in the Atlantic Ocean, English Channel or Mediterranean Sea, the largest of which is Corsica. In Corsica, people from the mainland part of Metropolitan France are referred to as les continentaux. A casual synonym for the mainland part of Metropolitan France is l'Hexagone ("the Hexagon"), for its approximate shape, and the adjective hexagonal may be a casual synonym of French (usually understood as metropolitan only, except in topics related to the foreign affairs and national politics of France as a whole).

From wiki, in other words, literally what >>814314 said. Fellow burger here

020f1a  No.814388

Is it true that /christian/ once tried to launch a distinct imageboard called christchan? What happened?

dfc992  No.814389


It didn't fly so good.

020f1a  No.814390


Any details?

14d5f4  No.814402


is gay sex a sin when playing a character in a play

e3292d  No.814408

File: f1318f72c70edf3⋯.png (135.96 KB, 661x757, 661:757, 2019_06_14_085812.png)

>>814322 (checked)

More of an octogon or a septagon depending if you count 6 and 7 on one side.

c3b066  No.814507


My first thought is you need to learn how to cross board link. My second thought is why are you linking to a porn board. My third thought is to ignore it and move on.

924604  No.814600

Everyone has a guardian angel, right? So when I pray to them do I just say "my guardian angel" or do I figure out their name or something when I get baptized? What if I was already baptized in the wrong church as an infant, can I still know?

ca1f89  No.814604


You will know their name if they reveal it to you and you should confirm any apparitions/visions with you spiritual director before trusting them. Otherwise, as with 99.9% of us, just call them your guardian angel/angel guardian/etc. DON'T give them a name, this implies you're higher than them, and you are far below them.

a90e67  No.814643

Didn’t want to make a thread with such self-indulgent questions, but I have zero faith right now and could use some answers:

How do you know God exists?

What you pray, do you feel His presence? If so, how?

Is this feeling ever-present, or only when your pray?

How do you know what your feeling is God and not the Devil, some other supernatural being, or simply a material process in your mind?

b2082c  No.814689


>asking questions

Not allowed friend, reported, and filtered.

2ffa46  No.814694


>How do you know God exists?

This is different for everyone. It comes through the gift of faith, but the way by which you arrive at accepting that gift can vary. The most convincing way for most people might be experiential knowledge though… when our faith is weak, but we seek God honestly, He will often give us many little (or big) signs to encourage us of His presence.

>What you pray, do you feel His presence? If so, how?

This also varies depending on where you are in your spiritual life. Early on, He is likely to gift you with lots of nice/devout feelings in order to motivate you to pursue Him. Later on, He might test you by withdrawing the feeling of His presence for periods of time, in order to strengthen your faith and purify your intentions. But eventually it becomes a deeper, less obvious knowledge, I think. A good analogy is the way we feel our own presence: when you close your eyes, how do you feel your body is there? It's not something you can really describe, but you still feel where each part of your body is. God's presence is a bit like that.

>Is this feeling ever-present, or only when your pray?

It becomes more continually present as you advance in prayer. Those who achieve a high level of sanctity will have a continual awareness of God's presence, and this is the goal to strive for, since it is a kind of precursor to the true union of Heaven.

>How do you know what your feeling is God and not the Devil, some other supernatural being, or simply a material process in your mind?

Emotions, thoughts, etc. can come from many sources, and they aren't reliable this way. This is why God will eventually retract the warm fuzzies, because the Devil can use those to pull us around if we become attached to them. Doesn't mean that every sort of communication is untrustworthy, but they should all be tested… treat them as your own thoughts, discern whether they come from God or not, and if they are good and holy then thank Him for them. As long as you're not following these things blindly (or actively seeking out supernatural experiences, which is very dangerous), there's nothing to fear. If a communication is truly from God, testing it will not do it any harm. A spiritual director can help here, too.

2ffa46  No.814695



N.B. these are all just generalities, and the spiritual life can't really be measured by one universal standard. Some people might skip right past the warm fuzzy stage, and some people might not have the capacity to grow very far beyond it… it's all individual. God is not limited by some standard model, but knowing the general path can help us gauge where we're at.

2bf3a8  No.814728

Vocational question: if I were to become a monk and obviously I have to part with my worldly possessions, is it possible to donate my worldly possessions to the monastery to avoid having to part with it?

365dff  No.814746


Defeats the point. Even owning a pencil is grievous.

ef9b4b  No.814748


You can still do it.. right?

ef9b4b  No.814749

Pros and cons of Catholicism?

Pros and cons of Orthodoxy?

cf7c5e  No.814780

Is it okay to study other religions/beliefs as a Christian? Like learning about Wicca, or the tarot cards. I feel like it's important to have an understanding in these subjects.

48c2a2  No.814803


IMO, it's important to understand them, but be very VERY cautious not to let yourself be led astray or attempt any such practices (per cannon law). I've looked into Eastern religions as well as Norse and Greco-Roman paganism and christian demonology, and even then I did so very cautiously.

I'd advise looking at christian or secular sources when it comes to understanding such topics rather than anyone in that community, as they will naturally be downplaying the negatives and trying to convince you of their virtues.

562ebf  No.814880

I'm so terrified my girlfriend will leave me. I just have this nagging feeling she just doesn't have the feelings she used to. I am a pretty unstable person, small things can set me off.

I'm trying to fight some of my vices, sometimes I have the urge to pray. I also like to read spiritual books. But other than that, I'm sinful.

Though, that doesn't really matter (or does it?) for me right now. The problem I am facing is that, my girlfriend just… I don't know. I keep getting thoughts about the worst thing possible happening - break up. I'm imagining my self going back to my home town, inevitably going to all the places we use to go and… I don't want to go through that again. What can I do to just stop being so afraid? How do I prepare for the worst? If the worst does happen, how do I cope with it?

562ebf  No.814881


I don't know Anon, the Orthodox Church commandments say "do not read heretical books".

2ffa46  No.814886


Pray that God's will be done, ask for the strength to cooperate with His will, and trust in His providence. Remember always that whatever God sends you is a loving gift for the sake of your salvation. God's plan is literally always best, and when things appear to be going badly, it's only because His ways are not like our own. We can't understand this yet… but we can take it on faith, and pray also for the wisdom to accept this fact. God bless you brother.

562ebf  No.814887


So I should just accept God's will? And trust it?

2ffa46  No.814897


Absolutely! He's not just putting you through stuff for no reason. God is a loving Father and wants the very best for you, even if you can't see what it is yet. If He wills that your relationship should work out, and you're doing what you can (especially praying), then it will. If it doesn't, there's a very good reason for it, and you will end up thanking Him when you realize the full meaning of it all. Do not be anxious for tomorrow; sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.

3e9f37  No.814913

Guys I'm going to Slate Church at 4 PM today. I visited earlier just to see what it was like and where it is. I'm going there to be with a friend who goes there. I have misgivings about this Church, it seems badly influenced by the universities, and almost as bad if not maybe even worse than the Catholic church. I don't know if anyone else here has been to Slate Church but tell me about it. Am I mistaken in my impressions?

6261aa  No.815061

Aren't faults of the body, like getting tired and needing sleep, a result of sin's existence? Why did Jesus need sleep then?

I'm not calling Jesus a sinner, just not sure why that is.

c3b066  No.815084


>getting tired and needing sleep, a result of sin's existence

I've never heard that sort of thing except in Christian Science circles.

a6827e  No.815122

File: a15be74ecc916f9⋯.jpg (20.08 KB, 333x499, 333:499, 41-MNK1Y2EL._SX331_BO1,204….jpg)

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I've talked about this before, but the church has plenty of books discussing these things in detail. Likewise, reading legends and other such writings should be fine given that most of the church fathers and saints were educated on the exact same topics. Heretical texts imply a direct bastardization of christian teaching, not necessarily the creeds or ideologies of other faiths entirely. The only heretical texts I can think f off the top of my head in this manner would be the Koran, The Talmud, The Book of Mormon, and whatever the JW holy book is.

Like anon said, understanding these things is important to know how to discuss and/or combat them, if not at least engage in a dialog with them. It's just important to look at it from a christian perspective rather than one of that faith.

af1f03  No.815145

Mods why did my thread about King Solomon get deleted?

feeb5b  No.815188

Is lying on a C.V or lying to someone you don't trust a sin? Will I not enter the kingdom of heaven? I'm trying to get a part time job since i go to college but it's such a struggle, been trying for nearly a year now, and i lied on my C.V. I also lied to this guy that I had a car, that I don't really trust, I'm orthodox christian btw

feeb5b  No.815189

Also what does God think about race mixing, especially all mongrelization of Europe, would it be ok to him according to the holy scripture???

d4e805  No.815228


There is no Christian denomination that forbids interracial or inter-ethnic marriages, as far as I'm concerned. Even fringe guys like Steven Anderson accept it. Mass immigration is not OK, though, especially when the immigrants are infidels.

d4e805  No.815230


It is a sin, whether it's a mortal or venial sin depends on what did you lie about and for what purpose.

As to lying to people you don't trust, IIRC it is still a sin. You're not obliged, however, to reveal everything you know to other people, so I'd say responding with "that's none of your buiness" or a more polite version thereof is not sinful.

75b02a  No.815242

Someone thinks I’m a liar and now a thief, how do I get on their good side again?

924604  No.815254

Is listening to an audiobook of the Bible an acceptable alternative to reading it? I have a short attention span and can more easily listen to things but I don't know whether it's an act of assidia to not read it when so many illiterate Christians of the past would have wanted to.

ca1f89  No.815259


Listen to it, slowly learn to read more and more of it, and then eventually stop listening to it. Not acedia if you cant

b1f248  No.815260


Why would reading it be better or worse than listening to it? Whatever helps you take in as much as possible. The only thing to consider is if the person reading it aloud is accurately following the translation you wanted. But this applies to written/copied versions as well.

924604  No.815265


>and then eventually stop listening to it

For what reason though? Is there anything in reading it that makes it better than listening?

ca1f89  No.815281


If for no other reason than literally every single book of the Bible was meant to be read aloud. The word for "meditation" in the Hebrew Scriptures means muttering in a low voice to yourself basically.

daaa9f  No.815325


Did you really lie and steal?

2ffa46  No.815337


To add to what the previous anon said, reading it yourself allows you to very easily stop, reread, adjust pace etc. to absorb it better. It is not somehow less pious to listen to the audiobook, this is more of a practical concern. It might help you to look into lectio divina, which is like meditative/prayerful reading. I myself have fairly brutal ADHD, but reading in this way has helped me very much in my spiritual life.

9d69a8  No.815338


I lie all the time, it’s pathological, however I ate this guy’s peanut butter and he called me a thief for it (he’s a roommate obviously)

Told me I needed to ask first if I wanted anything from him but I don’t really do that

I’ve done this multiple times and I’m just afraid he won’t be civil with me anymore

084b3c  No.815342


Well, it must be quite bothersome to live with someone that takes your stuff without asking, so you should apologize for your roommate and buy him a new jar of peanut butter.

As to pathological lying, don't use that as an excuse to avoid improving yourself, for no sin is beyond God's grace. You should ask your confessor for guidance, and start praying the Rosary to resist temptations to lie.

99d7b8  No.815373

Will I go to hell if I'm not sure that Jesus was the son of God?

99d7b8  No.815397

How do I deal with my bipolar disorder when I’ve done everything I can medically.

924604  No.815480

I was listening to one of those sermons by Fr Ripperger and he said God doesn't hear your prayers if you're in a state of mortal sin (using this to explain why the prayers of Protestants won't work). Does this mean my prayers are useless until my first confession? Do the Orthodox share this belief?

ca1f89  No.815488


He hears them, He can't not, this is wrong tbh. Fr. Rip isn't right on everything. Orthos nor Caths share this belief, most Prots prob dont either. God hears the prayers of sinners: https://pastebin.com/XWQz1ryP

924604  No.815491


Yeah, that sounds right to me. Do you know where he may have got this idea from?

3a3dfe  No.815676


What do you think he was?

49550f  No.815725

As an orthodox christian should i accept the glorification of sin and mind my own business or should I stand up to it?

49550f  No.815730


It is a gift from god so you can see your spiritual brokenness, pray to him, repent, fast and God will help you

0c9cf9  No.815731


It is a gift from god so you can see your spiritual brokenness, pray to him, repent, fast and God will help you

0c9cf9  No.815828

If people can't be good only God is good, does it mean that people can't be evil only the Devil is evil, or can people be evil???

a6827e  No.815943


People have free will, so they can either chose to follow God or chose to follow the temptations of the devil. God already knows which path they will chose, but preserves mankind's freedom in accordance with our creation.

Is that helpful.

83d9fc  No.816046

File: 04b3e5bbaf037e1⋯.jpg (48.48 KB, 564x600, 47:50, Hussites.jpg)

Breadpill me on the Hussites and their shenanigans.

e3292d  No.816047

File: 525519d2733e7f9⋯.jpg (25.39 KB, 220x344, 55:86, 014484_5.jpg)


Hussites are scum and don't get the breadpill. They are proto-prots and are burning in hell for their evil.

83d9fc  No.816048


What was their problem with the church?

e3292d  No.816049


You mean aside from being literal heretics, murdering people, and laying the foundation for the Protestant Devolution?

0c9cf9  No.816050

Part of what christian denomination are you and why do you think your denomination is the true church?

83d9fc  No.816051


>with the church

e3292d  No.816054


Oh my bad, I misread your post. I guess I really need to control my anger.

But the Hussites had the same problems with Jesus' Church as Luther did.

ca1f89  No.816113


I joined the Roman Catholic Church for spiritual and symbolic reasons, and access to certain forms of spiritual practices/liturgies that were beneficial to me, but I think the body of Christ is far beyond my Church, and that most members in it, currently also including myself, are not "Christian." I don't think any denomination/sect/so-called-apostolic-line is the true Church(tm) per se, but that some have higher concentrations of actual Christians in them than others, and at different times too. I would still, despite all of this, reccomend the Catholic Church, as it gives a framework of the universe with it's holy dogma and doctrines that is able to contain all spiritual truth you find. Anything that is true spiritually you can find here in one way or another, this framework is super helpful for achieving union with God. I don't see it in any other Church, it is either partially there, too clouded, or the members/founders are/were too thick headed to spell it out. And none seem to have the organized unity for expressing it with clarity that the Roman Church does. Hope this helps

94efd1  No.816161

Peace be with you,

I have a very stupid question. When praying alone, many prayers I read have both a V and R part, versicle and response. When alone, do I read/recite both? Or only the response, imagining that some personal some were read the V? Or are these marks only relevant in groups and alone you read both always?

107686  No.816175


Speaking as a person who prays the hours, yes, when you are not reciting prayer in a group, you read both the versicle and response.

0c9cf9  No.816179

How do I know if something is a sin, I've done many things in my life and I didn't even realise til later that they were sin since someone told me that it was a sin, is there anywhere I can look where it tells me absoulety every single sin you could possibly do, I'm an orthodox christian btw, is it a sin to listen to other denominations as reference or read from their bible to compare it to my bible or is it a sin?? This is just one of many things

94efd1  No.816184


I thought Orthodox Christians had spiritual directors that can answer these questions?

Below, I am linking you a VERY THOROUGH list of all sins, both venial (= do not bar you from eternal life) and mortal (= probably going to hell unless you confess.)

As a catholic you would want to confess both kinds, though the mortal ones are of course far more devastating; the venial ones you will want to avoid to help you grow in piety and to become a better person.

Still, this list of sins should answer your question. Warning, it is quite long!


d34e5b  No.816185

That's something you'll have to continually discover between you and God. That's a lifelong process. The thing is, anything that goes against God (anything not for him, is against him) is a sin. That shouldn't feel too restrictive. You see, God is many things. He's not just good, but he's also the truth. You should be living in the truth, living in good, etc. When you speak lies, you speak of satan. Similarly, when you speak the truth, you speak of God. Now, the nature of the truth is another topic all its own. Think about these things. First and foremost, develop your relationship with God, and these things will necessarily fall into place.

d34e5b  No.816186

Thought I clicked the numbers, but oh well.

>>816185 was meant for >>816179

bbe94a  No.816215

Do we reincarnate on earth until we become like Christ? Does Earth act like purifying flames for our soul? Is this why many people believe in Buddhist reincarnation because it is a piece of the truth?

0c9cf9  No.816243


Thank you, but I am not Catholic and it would be against my church and God to fall to false teachings

107686  No.816270


>We actually give you an answer, unlike your current church

< it would be against my church and God to fall to false teachings

0c9cf9  No.816383

Is it a sin to be robust in orthodox Christianity?

f2afe3  No.816391

My loved one asked a simple question about link of a video in this thread and he got permabanned for no reason whatsoever, it was unspecified. He did nothing wrong. Are mods gods?

3bb338  No.816404

File: bb066fa09affedf⋯.png (158.62 KB, 1024x650, 512:325, butthurt.png)

Not sure where to ask this, besides making its own thread?

But how do you get over feeling let down by people, lately I've been feeling like I can't thrust anyone. I've always been the "if you want something right, do it myself" kind of guy, but lately I've come to realize that if you want to progress in life, you just got to rely on other people for some stuff, life isn't meant to be lived alone.

However as I'm trying to get out there, I realize the more I try to rely on people, the more I get let down. Be it for some little help with work, be it just wanting someone to be there, and even worse, you can't rely even if it was to help themselves.

I know this is some sort of big change in perspective, and that I probably let down many who tried the same on me, so I would very much like to know anyone thought about this. I've guess the worst part that makes me mad, is that being letdown puts in a bad mood, which in turn makes me give up on my own standards, eg failing, letting myself down even worser.

365dff  No.816544


No, but it is a bit rude to ask a question in QTDDTOT and not the Orthodox General and then shoot down a reply trying to answer your question. Sometimes just letting a conversation end is just the better thing to do.


Gnosticism and Buddhism are very distinctively non-Christian beliefs. The Creation Stories do not match up and work out. Irenaeus has written much against it and is a good starting point to learn more about them. What does happen after death is not fully revealed to us, much like Christ was not fully revealed in the Old Testament. What is known is that there is a final judgement, some sort of purification process, and then the resurrection of the dead. Earth is the preamble to the full process.

Buddhism does not possess the full truth, in fact it actively points away from Christ. To tell a lie, you must tell parts of the truth. Resurrection can be misconstrued as reincarnation. Asceticism and the subordination of the body to spirit can be misconstrued to mean that reality itself is evil. Realize that the perspective you are taking is not the Christian perspective, but the Gnostic. Be careful.


Never place your faith in yourself or in others. They are human and will let you down. That is what "sin" means, "missing the mark" "falling short". You must realize that you are accountable to Christ first and foremost. There is not one thing you can do that isn't done through Providence. You will fail, and others will fail. Take refuge in the Lord in Good and Bad times.

When you ask someone to do something, expect them to fail. It's not the absolute right way to go about it, but it makes it easier to forgive others when they do fail. Otherwise, it'll be a pleasant surprise. the problem you find is incredibly common. Simply showing up and "shooting straight" is a virtue beyond most people. Don't let someone else effect you.

"If-" by Rudyard Kipling is a fantastic poem that's relevant.

316b48  No.816608

Is casual sex inside marriage a sin? It doesn't seem like the bible touches on this

497a54  No.816611


2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146

3bb338  No.816636


>Simply showing up and "shooting straight" is a virtue beyond most people. Don't let someone else effect you

Thanks brother, warm words well received. I'll look it up.


Yeah, plus, it seems the Ecclesiastes book really touches on this. (out of the top of my head)

924604  No.816862

Why is it that the same type of person who accepts English in the Orthodox liturgy will style for nothing short of Latin mass in Catholicism? Is the problem that they don't trust priests to perform the traditional mass in native tonge or does it actually have something to do with Latin itself?

924604  No.816863


>style for nothing short

I mean settle

3bb338  No.816876

Can't remember where I saw this, but I remember one commenting mentioning about Genesis, saying that originally there was an alternate version to Eve (in the hebrew tradition, maybe different interpretation). Something about there being two different women instead of Eve and the snake, does anyone know about this reference?

In the same manner, I remember hearing something about the deep meaning of the "sin", being something like "letting yourself down" or "disappointment". Does anybody know about this reference as well? And specifically if it also applies to original latin and derived languages?

e3292d  No.816883

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I think you are thinkijg about Lilith (pic related). I wouldn't put much stock into it. It is just a jewish fable, and jewish fables aren't cannon (ie they don't measure up to what is taught in the Bible and by the Church)

365dff  No.816898


Lillith is just a post-Christian Kabbalah myth. None of it is relevant to Christian's. Often times, if a Christian thinks it's real, they're misinterpreting the chain of events in creation. They think that the story of Eve occurred after God had created "man and woman" despite it occurring on the 6th day.

Sin is an English term that means moral transgression. In Greek, the term often used is "hamartia" which, as I have been taught, is a term used in archery that means "falling short" or "missing the mark". The Latin term for sin is "peccatum" which very literally means "to stumble" or "fall short". Even Hebrew uses "hata", which also means "to fall short". Can't confirm the Aramaic term, but it's also more in line with "to owe" or "to be indebted". It's more accurate to say that sin is a stumbling or falling short.

fcb03b  No.816939

haha ha haa ha aha aha ahahhaahaha

2bf17a  No.816980

Do we go to heaven or hell the instant we die, or do we sleep (or something like that) until Jesus comes again?

94efd1  No.817026


Instantly, unless you believe in purgatory as the Catholics do, in which case all spiritual impurities will first be burned out of your soul. Unless you die in a state of perfect grace, that is. Perfect grace would mean you have done all the penances for the sins you were forgiven for and you haven't done ANY venial sins since your last confession. (Unlikely - but it does happen; some saints became so saintly that even the most minor venial sin made them feel sheer horror.)

3bb338  No.817041


Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for regarding the sin thing, considering my language is derived from latin and still very similarly sounding. Its a great explanation and specifically more meaningful when explaining to others.

Regarding the Lilith thing, I think is beyond the point if its relevant or even real, still I would like to know more about it.


To be honest, I believe more in purgatory than I do in heaven or hell, purgatory is common between several religions and cultures, and more pronounced in general within the bible. On the other hand the Kingdom of Heaven, has a different connotation on different languages, and sometimes gives the impression that it will happen on Earth itself as opposed on different dimension.


But either way, this is a moot point, considering that you don't notice your own sleep, you just wake up the next day like nothing happened (unless you dream, which is a semi wake status).

2c0e68  No.817055

I'm 25 and never had romantic involvement of any kind. every day i'm scared by the thought of dying alone, i know how bad that is but it's hard for me to be optimistic when i've felt this way so long. I have a good job and my own place and whatnot but nothing ever seems to work out for me. i feel so lonely and I don't understand why this is what God wants for me

e3292d  No.817056


Do you lift? Are you /fit/?

2c0e68  No.817059


I run and long distance cycle a lot so I'm not jacked but I'm not fat by any means, in terms of physical appearance I'm more insecure about my face than anything. that and I'm 6'6 which I feel is too much and actually puts people off but i guess i can't really do anything about that

365dff  No.817067


There's really not much to know about Lilith. The story goes that when God created man, he created Adam and Lilith. But Lilith was equal to Adam, not subservient. She was displeasing to Adam, who complained to God. God banished Lilith from Eden, then went about creating Eve when He saw how lonely Adam was, this time making her subservient. Lilith then goes on to become the mother of a host of demons referred to collectively as Lilith, who roamed the world looking to eat the flesh of men in a vampiric/succubus parallel, roaming the night and howling. Some sources say she slept with an Archangel.

Really, that's about all there is about Lilith in terms of mythology. The Origins of the myth is far more interesting and relevant. The Vulgate Isaiah uses the term "Lamia" for the one actual biblical reference to Lilith. The Vulgate was written with reference to contemporary Hebrew texts of the time, ca 400 ad which is approximately the time Lilith was introduced. It's more likely that the Hebrews recognized a similarity with the term "lilith" meaning "screech owl" or "night creature" with the Mesopotamian "lilitu". Very similar to the process by which we received the term "Beelzebub". It's a case of Lilith understood to mean Lilitu which is then translated in the Greco-Roman myth of Lamia! This is why if you refer to Isaiah 34:14, you'll often read "screech owl" instead of Lilith in most translations.

If you're really interested in the myth itself, study Kabbalah and the other Jewish myths and absolutely avoid any of the feminist/wiccan/new age interpretations divorced from the Jewish mystical tradition. The Jewish myths are BS (there is common disagreement over the demonology and translations) but more genuine than the New Age crap. The New Age understanding of Lilith is just as bad as any modern "druid" cult trying desperately to restructure the remaining Celtic religions into something meaningful.


I'd caution you for your assertion that Purgatory is more real than Heaven and Hell on the basis of its commonality in other religions. Comparative religion as a base for your belief is a step removed from full-blown Gnosticism.

>Kingdom of Heaven is a different


Careful use of words can prevent misunderstanding. The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is supposed to be established after Judgement Day. This is part of the Apostle's Creed.

68a81f  No.817326

Quick question, but important to me:

What is the current church teaching on friday abstinence?

I have to attend an end-of-year work party tommorow and it's a barbeque. I don't want to sin but we're expected to be present all day so I would like to eat.

30e983  No.817333


There are only two fast days that are necessary for your salvation.

Ask for fasting on Friday it again it's not a hundred percent necessary but it does help build the virtue of temperance. Since it's only gonna be a one-time thing for that barbecue I wouldn't worry about it. But if you insist on you know somewhat abstaining have like one burger or brisket or whatever and don't indulge yourself in the delicious barbecued food.

4aaa43  No.817437

Has there ever been a /christian/ meet-up before?

ca1f89  No.817447


I believe some people on the Discord have met up before, even several times.

26ecb7  No.817455


It's generally considered violating the spirit of the Law to refuse food offered to you by a host even on fast days. Just eat until you're just barely full and you'll be fine.

3483d3  No.817460

Very dumb question that definitely doesn't deserve it's own thread:

Is being a language nerd ok?

I really like foreign languages and I like to study them on my own as a hobby. I feel like it's a hobby that at some point saved my life, when I was a miserable NEET.

Of course, my soul is ultimately saved by Christ. Are there any saints for language-learning? Does this count as a good work?

At the moment I speak only 3 languages. 2 fluently (my native + English) and another one at an intermediate level (Japanese). I plan to learn Mandarin and then move back to European languages and pick one that sounds cool like Swedish or Danish.

I just want a Christian perspective on becoming a polyglot.

3483d3  No.817461


To add another even more stupid question:

Should I try to pray in another language besides my native? For some reason it feels slightly wrong to do so, although I have done it in English.

8ae840  No.817464


Depends how you use them I guess, if you're planning to evangelize (for example, translating major spiritual works to a language that has few) with it or you're persuing wisdom to, I don't know, become a philosopher, yes…

It seems like God granted you the Grace of languages, don't waste it. China and Japan have few Christians :^)

If you go for Danish reminder to read Kierkegaard. Sadly I won't learn one language for one guy. Lucky you


Most great Saints prayed in Latin and they still do at monasteries. The Vatican actually encourages it's use (don't know if you're Catholic)

Give this a read if you're interested.


3483d3  No.817468


Thank you for the prompt response anon. Indeed I would like to be able to be able to speak with other nations about Christ. I'm not sure how to go about finding missionary work.

A very very interesting thing is that in Japan they do have a Japanese Orthodox Church ( ハリストス正教会) and I might be able to do something in regards to that if given the chance.

I'm actually Orthodox and in my country (Romania) we studied Latin in high school. However, I can only understand some of it because it's so similar to my own native language. (same with Spanish and Italian I guess). I do understand how praying in Latin might be a great thing though. I do value its spiritual importance although we practice Eastern rite here.

To be honest my intentions of starting languages were not so pure right off the bat, because some of the reasons were money, bragging-rights and becoming an "ascended" weeb. Now that I've found Christ, I'd like to put it to very good use and bear fruit this way perhaps.

26ecb7  No.817509


I too struggle with this. A lot of the reasons for doing something are very selfish, but a part of becoming Christian is realizing that the selfish desire is ultimately derived from a desire for Christ. Learning to direct it towards God is always difficult, but when in doubt stick to the priorities. If the act of learning or speaking another language actively takes away from God, then stop it. But if you just doubt the motivations behind learning it, reject both the false motivation and the temptation to quit. It's a trick to make you miserable needlessly. What use does singing have, yet how many sing for the enjoyment of it? What use does gardening have, yet how many garden for the enjoyment of it? Learning another language for fun is a pure endeavor, don't fall into delusion on either end.

I'm American Orthodox and I could not imagine attending a Russian or Greek service regularly. Praying in a language you know is vital to actually practicing Christianity. Attending Vespers and Liturgy regularly serves as a fantastic Catechism, but I would have missed way more had the service been in Russian. That being said, as a convert the learning of prayers itself is a very useful way to learn languages, even in my native language. It taught a lot of the theological concepts and terms that I wasn't aware of. I can imagine learning to pray in another language provides greater insight to Christianity and the language itself. the big schisms occurred over minute semantics that end up having a great ramifications. The devil is in the details.

I can only speak English fluently, but I have some familiarity and educational background with French and Mandarin, and some familiarity with Japanese. China also has a Church under Russia that's been trying desperately to spread beyond Harbin (Chinese government restrictions), Shanghai has some prominent Churches, as does Taiwan, FWIW. I always feel conflicted, a part of me wants to do missionary work in China, but another part wants to help establish the OCA in some way. Regardless, if you want someone to help with Chinese and Japanese studies, I wouldn't mind the help either. I get sidetracked too often. No pressure, no offense taken of you're not interested.

3483d3  No.817622


Sure thing anon, I'd love to talk to you more about language-learning. Is discord alright?

365dff  No.817704


Same anon, different computer.

shoot me an email at Anon438@protonmail.com

3bb338  No.817724


Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

>But Lilith was equal to Adam, not subservient. She was displeasing to Adam, who complained to God. God banished Lilith from Eden, then went about creating Eve when He saw how lonely Adam was, this time making her subservient. Lilith then goes on to become the mother of a host of demons referred to collectively as Lilith, who roamed the world looking to eat the flesh of men in a vampiric/succubus parallel, roaming the night and howling.

Regardless if its a myth, canon or not, this a whole lot more of sense, and tbh represents quite well the kinds of women we see in reality. Either the ego monster, that only purpose is to satisfy its selfish desires (eg, the most common type we see nowadays), and the other that sincerely accepts the guidance of men and serves with kindness (not that men should n't try to serve others as well).

To men this even draws a parallel with the christian myth, I interpret it with the snake being the profane side of the feminine, sneaky and poisonous, that makes sense to me with the image of Holy Mary stepping over the snake, eg, she defeated her profane side, reamaining truly holy.

>I'd caution you for your assertion that Purgatory is more real than Heaven and Hell on the basis of its commonality in other religions.

>Careful use of words can prevent misunderstanding. The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is supposed to be established after Judgement Day. This is part of the Apostle's Creed.

I agree on both parts, and I know this understanding usually doesn't fly well with most christians. But that's what I tried to say, purgatory is more commonly mentioned throughout the bible, "the mansion of the dead". Same for the kingdom of heaven.


To add the other replies, friday abstinence is only implied by the church on Lent time, and even then, its not like its promise for heaven or exchange for a blessing, its just an exercise of self-control and temperance, improving one's virtue. For example, I still keep -almost- daily my fasting diet that I kept on Lent period, fasting since lunch for a humble dinner afterwards, for one simple reason, it makes me feel better and clear minded.

ba066b  No.817743

>My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

What did he mean by this? If the crucifixion was all part of the plan, why does he ask this?

e3292d  No.817746

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Jesus is quoting Pslams, specifically this one:

From D-R Bible

Psalms 21

{21:1} Unto the end, for the morning protection, a psalm for David.

{21:2} O God my God, look upon me: why hast thou forsaken me? Far from my salvation are the words of my sins.

{21:3} O my God, I shall cry by day, and thou wilt not hear: and by night, and it shall not be reputed as folly in me.

{21:4} But thou dwellest in the holy place, the praise of Israel.

{21:5} In thee have our fathers hoped: they have hoped, and thou hast delivered them.

{21:6} They cried to thee, and they were saved: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

{21:7} But I am a worm, and no man: the reproach of men, and the outcast of the people.

{21:8} All they that saw me have laughed me to scorn: they have spoken with the lips, and wagged the head.

{21:9} He hoped in the Lord, let him deliver him: let him save him, seeing he delighteth in him.

{21:10} For thou art he that hast drawn me out of the womb: my hope from the breasts of my mother.

{21:11} I was cast upon thee from the womb. From my mother's womb thou art my God,

{21:12} Depart not from me. For tribulation is very near: for there is none to help me.

{21:13} Many calves have surrounded me: fat bulls have besieged me.

{21:14}They have opened their mouths against me, as a lion ravening and roaring.

{21:15} I am poured out like water; and all my bones are scattered. My heart is become like wax melting in the midst of my bowels.

{21:16} My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue hath cleaved to my jaws: and thou hast brought me down into the dust of death.

{21:17} For many dogs have encompassed me: the council of the malignant hath besieged me. They have dug my hands and feet.

{21:18} They have numbered all my bones. And they have looked and stared upon me.

{21:19} They parted my garments amongst them; and upon my vesture they cast lots.

{21:20} But thou, O Lord, remove not thy help to a distance from me; look towards my defence.

{21:21} Deliver, O God, my soul from the sword: my only one from the hand of the dog.

{21:22} Save me from the lion's mouth; and my lowness from the horns of the unicorns.

{21:23} I will declare thy name to my brethren: in the midst of the church will I praise thee.

{21:24} Ye that fear the Lord, praise him: all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him.

{21:25} Let all the seed of Israel fear him: because he hath not slighted nor despised the supplication of the poor man. Neither hath he turned away his face from me: and when I cried to him he heard me.

{21:26} With thee is my praise in a great church: I will pay my vows in the sight of them that fear him.

{21:27} The poor shall eat and shall be filled: and they shall praise the Lord that seek him: their hearts shall live for ever and ever.

{21:28} All the ends of the earth shall remember, and shall be converted to the Lord: And all the kindreds of the Gentiles shall adore in his sight.

{21:29} For the kingdom is the Lord's; and he shall have dominion over the nations.

{21:30} All the fat ones of the earth have eaten and have adored: all they that go down to the earth shall fall before him.

{21:31} And to him my soul shall live: and my seed shall serve him.

{21:32} There shall be declared to the Lord a generation to come: and the heavens shall shew forth his justice to a people that shall be born, which the Lord hath made.

3bb338  No.817747


>christ about to die after the long torture and pain he was put to

Because Christ was also human and experienced suffering.

ba066b  No.817750



I knew he was quoting that psalm and I guess it makes sense as an expression of anguish and not so much Jesus being surprised at the turn of events. Is he possibly saying these words for our sake and not for his own?

99d7b8  No.818125

Is it bad to say "God dammit"?

ca1f89  No.818129


Are you asking Him to damn something? If not, don't say it.

ca1f89  No.818130


If so don't say it either, because Christians bless and do not curse.

0a9774  No.818297



If you are just reading it for the fun of it and not indulging in the practices of said materials, then I don't see what harm it would do. I find it very fun to read the European pagan mythologies and folk tales, but I don't let it lead me astray from my faith. I did have a pagang phase long ago, but I soon discovered it was mostly New-Age mysticism that stems from occultists and Talmudic kabbalah.

0a9774  No.818298

Is the rosary, chaplet, prayer beads or prayer rope totally exclusive to Catholicism or Orthodoxy?

f02e35  No.818322



You leave yourself open to demonic attacks reading or practicing those things even for fun. The first sin of Eve was the sin of Curiosity. There is nothing in books on tarot cards or Wicca that will help you.

It is also a mortal sin to read those books.

924604  No.818432

How recently did people stop going to church service daily? I know the earliest Christians went and took the eucharist every day and even the Puritans went to church daily. It seems even the most devout Catholics in our time go to mass every day. When did it stop and should we still be doing so today?

6261aa  No.818463


I certainly agree with you that reading those things are dangerous and sinful, but are you saying all curiosity is sinful? I've never heard that before.

6baaab  No.818618


Don't know when it stopped, but you should definitely be going to Church as often as you can manage. It's not obligatory, but the Holy Eucharist is a great gift with real power to change and sanctify you.

One could make the comparison that it's the spiritual equivalent of just going to some place every day and getting free 1000$ for just being there. And obviously the Eucharist is worth much more than that

2af5ee  No.818741

How's the antichrist gonna "fix" everything during the grace period before the end times? Like I can see him fixing political issues and "solving" war, but poverty, hunger, mass immigration & crime? Not really. I was listening to a pastor in the radio and started to imagine the ways he'd go about certain things like using the internet and stuff…

Sorry if it all sounds ignorant, I'm genuinely curious, thanks for any clarification.

ca1f89  No.818745


Partially natural, partially demonic means. You must understand that this figure is explicitly backed by rebellious spirits. I am pretty sure he will use normal political means along with these spiritual ways to get things done.

b1f248  No.818752


It honestly doesn't seem implausible for it to be either a human innovator who uses technology to solve issues like hunger via gene-editing or state-enforced food equity with meat cloning. My alternative theory is it's just an "ai" with information on every living person thanks to a constant upload of human vitals, communication, and location caused by an iot implant (mark.) Naturally man would worship its own creation and claim it's greater than a deity since it has a tangible presence on earth.

But ultimately its going to happen no matter what so don't worry too much about it. Just stay away from social media and iot devices (and cell phones if possible) as the days go by.

66d94e  No.819023

i want to read the bible. should i read all of it? ive been told i should only read the gospel because the gospel is the word of jesus. and all the other parts of the bible are kiked. is it true? should i read only the gospel or all of the bible?

1eb71b  No.819032


Read all of it and stop going to /pol/. /pol/ rots your brain. You wouldn't eat a PB&J sandwich without the PB. You wouldn't eat biscuts and gravey without the biscuts.

t. Former /pol/ack

2ffa46  No.819035


>all the other parts of the bible are kiked

Absolutely absurd. Sacred Scripture is the word of God. However, I would definitely recommend reading the Gospels first. The Old Testament only makes sense in light of the New Testament, but once you have that key, the OT is very beautiful and helps to explain a lot. It's also full of references, symbols, and prophecies of Christ's coming. Consider following the Gospels with the rest of the New Testament (which will give you the history of the early Church and a lot of theological/moral wisdom) and then starting with the more approachable books of the OT (Genesis, Exodus, Job, Ecclesiastes, Wisdom are some that come to mind for me). You could start reading/praying the Psalms at any time too – your understanding of them will continue to grow and change regardless. God bless, anon.

66d94e  No.819038



thanks for answering but look:

"20Then Noah built an altar to the LORD. Taking from every kind of clean animal and clean bird, He offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done."

why does noah make a blood sacrifice to god and why is the aroma of burning flesh pleasing to god?

1eb71b  No.819042


Thats how sacrifices were made in the OT. Read the Law books (Leviticus and Deuteronomy). It is choke full of examples of the sacrifices to God. It was a system to make Israel understand the consequences of their sin. Negative reinforcement I believe it is called.

It is supposed to incentivise Israel to not commit sin.

66d94e  No.819043


also why does god say "every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth" when jesus says

"1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2Jesus called a little child to stand among them. 3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

it makes the impression to me that the LORD in the OT is in fact satan acting as gatekeeper.

66d94e  No.819047


that doesnt make sense. they made blood sacrifices to god to show that its sinful? isnt that evil? also look:

"18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known. "

jesus says no one has ever seen god. but

"11Thus the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young assistant Joshua son of Nun would not leave the tent."

when nobody has ever seen god, how does moses speak to god face to face? was it satan instead of god?

66d94e  No.819048


also that doesnt answer why the smell of burning flesh is pleasing to god.

e3292d  No.819080

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No, Israel made blood sacrifices to atone for their sin. Imagine being a nomad, where your frm animals are your life. Now imagine that you committed a sin agianst God and He demands you sacrifice one of your goats to atone for your sin. Will you be inclined to sin again after you have already atoned for your sin? No you wouldn't

>why only Moses gets to see God?

Because Moses was chosen as the only one that was worthy to represent Israel in front of God.


Are you a vegan? Have you never smelled cooked food before? If God finds burning food pleasing who are we to say He is wrong?

>is satan really God from the OT?

Mfw pic related


Jesus was telling you to have the same mind of a child when it comes to God the Father. As in obey His commands and teachings like a good child would do.

ca1f89  No.819096


It's not. Read the prophets, where he says he can't stand the stench of sacrifices and fat. God doesn't have a nose. Also he even ask in the prophets "who told you to do this?" Mind the words of jeremiah, " the lying pen of the scribe has wrote falsehood"

2bd01c  No.819151

Why exactly was Arius wrong?

5da609  No.819228

So was the Second Vatican Council and the Novus Ordo THE greatest act of cultural vandalism ever perpetrated on mankind, or merely one of the greatest? I mean, everyone gets rightfully upset about something like the Taliban blowing up old Buddha statues, but it seems as though, except for a few eccentrics, no-one gives a shit about a bunch of modernist criminals in the Vatican figuratively “blowing up” the Latin Mass and Gregorian chant and replacing it with syrupy pop music and cheesy low-church Protestantism. Not even a Catholic btw, I just recognize criminality when I see it.

5da609  No.819229


It’s not just the fault of laymen. In my experience many daily Catholic masses are held at absurd times like 9 or 10 in the morning. How is anyone with a job supposed to attend? Daily masses held late in the evening seem to be fairly well-attended.

f54b46  No.819242


I don't think it's absurd, there are people who work afternoons and night shifts.

7049b6  No.819319


Are you purposefully pretending to not understand what I’m saying? 90% of people can’t come to these late morning masses. And let’s face it, we all know that the reason for 9 AM mass is that the priest is lazy and doesn’t want to get up early.

ca1f89  No.819321


100% true. My parish had to practically fight the priest to get 3 of the weekday Masses at an earlier time (7am) while the rest were at 12:10pm. Some more people are able to make it because of this, although I personally think a first-hour/prime (Divine Office time) Mass at 6am would be supreme, and then a second one at 12:10pm, and maybe a third at 6pm. Sadly that will never happen.

889a9e  No.819366

How should a parent go about teaching his or her children the proper etiquette about waiting for marriage for sex while still explaining to them to avoid masturbation? When I and my girlfriend were being raised, both of our parents chose to not teach us anything about our sexual organs, and so we learned on our own. In doing so, we both independently decided to stay chaste til marriage. I'm curious whether this was a cause and effect of the lack of mention or if we were simply blessed by the Lord into believing so on our own. Effectively, in the shortest of versions, I'm asking on whether I should explain to my future children sexual immorality (and naturally, as they are children, give them an interest in it inadvertently…) or simply to leave it to chance. Is leaving it to chance just leaving it in God's hands, or is it being a derelict parent?

7049b6  No.819370


Ephesians 5:11-12

>And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

So according to the Bible you shouldn’t speak about masturbation at all.

df299b  No.819570

If the wages of Sin are death, and Jesus redeems our Sins, why do we still die?

c33df1  No.819583

File: b955470bd0bca05⋯.jpg (84.75 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1484261213126.jpg)

If I have quasi-chronic inflammation problems or some form of inflammation usually showing up and giving me physical pain sooner or later, would it be particularly sinful to smoke hashish to relieve the inflammation? I don't have it that bad, and I

but I understand CBD and THC combined can certainly have a positive effect. I don't drink otherwise anyway, or is that bargaining?

I'm not breaking the law doing this where I live but of course no law means as much as… well, anyway… I would, of course, limit my use very conservatively, but I would still use, do you reckon I am going into a little too unrepentant a territory by allowing myself such a thing? On account of I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't also going to be… recreational about it, at the same time.

038aa9  No.819584

File: a5ccfdacb11bc34⋯.png (326.04 KB, 450x543, 150:181, Help.png)

File: 734725c1eac515d⋯.png (67.43 KB, 730x489, 730:489, ClipboardImage.png)

>keep reading scientific evidence, infographs, and other studies of blacks having lower IQs

>keep convincing myself that it's purely because of environmental factors, they're idiots because their environment didn't demand them to be smart (like native americans) and still doesn't to an extent

>if blacks are actually inferior, then God did not create us all equally, going against everything I've known about Christianity



It doesn't mean literal death, it means eternal suffering in hell. We no longer die in the sense that we have eternal life in heaven by believing in Christ.


these are some notes I took at uni, take them as you will

Council of Nicea (325)

• Arius

○ Believed that the Father is greater than the Son, who in turn is greater than the Holy Spirit

○ Did not believe that it was possible to have a hierarchy of divine beings

○ The Son is the one through whom the Father created the universe, but nonetheless he is only a creature made out of nothing, not God

§ He is not eternal but had a beginning

○ Arius's teachings are found today in Jehovah's Witnesses

• Condemned Arius and produced an anti-Arian creed, the Creed of Nicea

○ Arius interpreted the traditional phrase "begotten of the father" to mean that Jesus Christ was created by the Father out of nothing.

§ This interpretation is excluded in the Creed with "that is, from the substance of the Father"

○ Only the father is "true God"

§ Called Jesus Christ "true God from true God"

○ Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father"

§ Homoousios was the most controversial word in the creed

○ A number of Arian statements are anathematized or condemned

• Nicea split the church into two major groups

○ Nicene party

§ Clear on the full deity of Christ, unclear on the eternal threeness of the Godhead

○ Origenists

§ Clear on the eternal threeness of the Godhead, unclear on the full deity of Christ

• An extreme Arian party soon arose, maintaining that the son is totally unlike the Father

○ The three hypostases of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of one substance with each other

• The deity of Jesus Christ is the foundation of all true Christian faith

• Arius raised one of the most important issues in the history of theology, and the early fathers were right to state the full deity of Jesus Christ clearly

038aa9  No.819585

File: 5b777ba1d4bb0ed⋯.png (348.55 KB, 495x391, 495:391, What.png)


>copied text from onenote

>pasted as text and an image

8b79f8  No.819586

Does anyone have that image explaining why Jesus was depicted as being white?

038aa9  No.819587


no but I can tell you

Christianity was primarily European, so he was depicted as looking like one so that the (mostly uneducated) common folk would be able to relate to him and understand him more

924604  No.819604



Didn't Levantine people at that time basically look white? He looks brown in some of the icons though.

b0c235  No.819606


well it's probably not hard to figure out how he looked, he was described as unremarkable, so just take any mideastern guy today and you're probably not far off. not that it really matters anyways

924604  No.819609


>Implying the people that inhabit the Middle East now are the same as those that inhabited it 2000 years ago

5bf6d2  No.819627


Equality of opportunity, not of ability or of outcome. We posess equal spirits through our free will regardless of our ability to recognize, understand, or act on it. Different, unique, yet equal.

8b79f8  No.819656


>Didn't Levantine people at that time basically look white?

The image I'm talking about explained that.

540f3b  No.819730


Having a higher IQ doesn't mean you're superior in the eyes of God. In fact, a lot of the "muh IQ" spergs are some of the most prideful people you'll ever find.

5b5426  No.819779


Can someone answer this question? I hear people tell others they are going to hell. Isn't Christ the only one who can make that judgement, since he knows us better than us what a person's heart contains

5b5426  No.819780


i agree. many "intellectuals" are simply prideful lost souls

6261aa  No.819886

Why doesn't Acts 28 record Paul correcting the people who think he is a God?

6261aa  No.819887


Also, was it wrong for them to then use a ship with figureheads of false Roman gods when the left Malta?

8b79f8  No.819958

Sorry for asking again, but does anyone have some concise information on the shroud of turin?

b1f248  No.820030

My dad blessed some food but threw it out before anyone ate it. Is that bad? You have to dispose of blessed items a specific way right?

924604  No.820055

Are there any other good Christian forums or websites to discuss things in a similar way?

2ffa46  No.820113


As far as I know, "blessing" the food is more about asking God's blessing for the mealtime itself. The food itself does not become sacramental.

fcb19e  No.820141


Sssuurrely this is a poor poor reading of this text? And by this logic we have no purpose to warn anyone of any sin ever?

My own q: I've seen 'the protocols of the elders of zion' referred to on here over the years, never having looked into it or understand what it is. Apparently the accepted position is that it's a forgery/hoax. What is /christian/''s opinion on it? Do you think it's ligit? If so on what evidence/arguments? Is it ridiculous to say so given tell evidence to the contrary? Haven't looked into it in any detail so just curious.

>in b4 /christian/ isn't one person with one opinion

U know what I'm asking

f404dc  No.820166

17. How do i inhibit my sexual instincts and celibate? Last year, around this time i started to celibate and managed to do like 53days or something like that, then i did 30 days twice and thats when i started to fail my streaks leading to current days when i only manage to do week or two maximum. What can I do about it? Maybe there is some tricks/chapters in the bible related to this topic?

e3292d  No.820210


Are you praying the rosary on a daily basis?

f404dc  No.820231


no, but some anons suggested in other thread; also could you recommend some readings?

b1f248  No.820274


Verses like these usually keep me in line even when I'm on the verge of breaking down

Proverbs 26:11

Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool that repeats his folly

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries

b1f248  No.820276



Also as far as literature, St Augustine's Confessions is the first that comes to mind. It's full of his struggles and he's very relatable.

e688b1  No.820331

Are angles also made in the image of God?

80a9c7  No.820355

File: 1aee65dea194291⋯.jpg (745.71 KB, 2473x1641, 2473:1641, IMG_20190711_165218.jpg)

metaphysical interpretation of the cross. the cross comes across in nature all the time. it, as a symbol, is always clean because it implies punctuation, it is a three dimensionally sharp sight

to behold. X marks the spot. the only way through this world to the next is through the cross. there aren't four ends: there are merely three. two lines, the dual nature, make three lines, make the trinity, surrounding he who enters, raised.

94efd1  No.820361


Acute or obtuse angles?

8c501f  No.820363


I would like to add that the crucifix is the center of all suffering. The highest reality of our fallen world.

51b4b5  No.820382

When I was younger I believe I had said something bad about the holy spirit am I winnie the poohed christanons?

1eb71b  No.820387


The fact that you are here worried abiut your salvation is proof that you are not a reprobate, for a reprobate would rather be fapping or sniffing his/her own farts than be on an Italian Rosary praying forum worried about his/her salvation.

Go to confession and start praying again, you will be fine.

2f89bc  No.820528


Perceiving and/or believing the Holy Spirit itself to be an unclean spirit and evil is what Jesus is talking about. Blasphemous words alone against the Spirit are not unforgivable.

8d74f2  No.820538

>And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

What did God the Son mean by this?

f404dc  No.820542

4c93e0  No.820583

File: 643af454c17ec8c⋯.jpg (187.29 KB, 1080x1492, 270:373, IMG_20190712_224109.jpg)

If more than half of Americans pray daily why doesn't it show in their lifestyles?

a33f1e  No.820636


Because they are protties.

a33f1e  No.820638

Bros, I bought a bible on amazon for my kindle given that I couldn't find it through other means.

However I thought it was sensible of me to strip it from its DRM and shared it on libgen for other people that don't have the money or a credit card to buy it (it wasn't thaat expensive but it's common in my country and I assume in others to not own a credit card).

How bad did I screw up? I know that piracy in itself is a sin, but at the same time I think it isn't so bad to let other people have access to a curated bible.

what do.

fa257e  No.820651

i know the 10 commandments are still valid after the new testament but i also know theres a whole lot more OT law than that.

are there old testament laws or traditions that arent used or valid anymore after the coming of jesus? if so, which ones and where can i find out which ones?

365dff  No.820697


The OT Laws are interesting. The Ten Commandments are "spiritual" Laws and are eternal, whereas the rest are adminstrative, judicial, and ritual, which was fulfilled in the Church and State (which was once an extension of the Church). Justinian Codes and all other medieval legal systems and their descendants are successors to the OT law.

f92d00  No.820791


>dear god, please give me money

>dear god, please forgive [insert name] (but not really, i really hope you just send them to hell)

>dear god, let me win this next game

I've been guilty of this myself, but if you pray to God like you would a pagan god, then you've got a dim light and your focus is not on God but on yourself.

f92d00  No.820793


careful there friend, you don't want to go down the schizophrenia tree or you'll lose sight of God in the endless sea of mental constructs and illusions.

a878b9  No.820809

File: 869e06f50adab05⋯.jpg (25.33 KB, 480x360, 4:3, hqdefault.jpg)

I was baptized and a "cultural Catholic", but never got anything beyond a childish conception of religion. I'm trying to get back into (proper) Christianity and the Church, so please have patience with me.

There's something that's the center of the Christian faith, yet I am not able to believe: that the wine and bread of the Eucharist are the actual blood and flesh of Christ. I can understand it as something symbolic, as a reminder of Jesus's sacrifice ("do this in remembrance of me" - Luke 22:19), but I can't believe that bread and wine is anything beyond food with an important meaning. Can someone Godpill me on this one? I'm not thinking "haha, all this anons believe the bread is God and I'm so smart", I believe there's probably some really important stuff that I'm missing, and I'm hoping once I comprehend and understand it I'll come to believe.

Any kind of insight is welcome. If anyone knows a good lengthy article or podcast that talks about it, it'd be great too. Thank you very much in advance.

c42c29  No.820825


New mass made it hard to understand what the mass actually is supposed to be.

In Catholic understanding, the mass makes the sacrifice of Christ on golgatha present. Not as a new sacrifice, but as the specific event in 33 anno incarnationis Domini, the one valid sacrifice to God in remission of venial sins.

Now, since Christ as the sacrifice suffered and died on the cross, bread and wine are given to his people throughout the ages. Outwards they are "symbols" (bread of flesh - wine of blood), but inwards they are transformed through the Holy Spirit.

I accepted this teaching when I read, how early christians emphasized the importance of the eucharist.

For example, here is Origen (Homily 38):

[…] if we do not eat the bread of life, if we do not eat the Body of Christ, if we do not drink His blood, if we neglect the holy communion of our Saviour, we should know that God holdes both benevolence and strictness.

a878b9  No.820827


So, in it's physical form, the bread and wine are still bread and wine under the consecration. In that sense, it is symbolic. But since it symbolizes the sacrifice of Christ, it allows us to participate in it, not so much to remember it but to take part in it and be saved through His love, death on the cross and resurrection. The food is still food, but by allowing us to take part in the sacrament, it becomes more than mere food. Am I getting it right or am I spouting heresies?

c42c29  No.820828

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


It sounds good to me.

According to the IV. Latern Council, which formulated tried to make the mystery of the eucharist as understandable as possible, the physical outward form (so-called accidents) doesn't change. But the unseen substance is transformed by the consecration.

I don't really have a good book to recommend, other than the Catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3W.HTM

Also if you are interested, the video is from a good channel, posted quite often around here.

a3c0ea  No.820853

Is it a sin to pirate a book or game you have already bought?

e17eb4  No.820871


Actually it’s not in certain countries. You could possibly argue, assuming you live in America, that it’s okay according to copyright laws to do what you speak of. And seeing as it’s probably legal, I wouldn’t assume it was sinful.

a878b9  No.820891


Thank you a lot, anon, it was quite enlightening. The video was really helpful too.

God bless you.

fa257e  No.820927


so are we still supposed to do all the ritual stuff? im guessing every society's laws should still be based on the other OT laws still

17ee29  No.820963

I met a witch on Tinder. Should I hang out with her and drink her tea? I’ll request no fortune telling or spell casting. Also no fornicating. Just interested in tea and conversation.

8efcca  No.820987


Are you trolling? Why are you using Tinder in the first place? It's essentially a catalog for extramarital sex. Do you think that's appropriate to a Christian?

017088  No.820995

Can someone explain Galatians 3:16 to me? I have been struggling with this passage for a few days now. Here, Paul exegetes the passages of Genesis (12:7, 13:15, 22:18, 24:7) which detail the promises made to Abraham and his progeny. According to Paul, since the text says that the promise is made to his 'seed' and not to his 'seeds,' this promise is referencing a particular person, namely Christ. However, in the Hebrew language, the plural form of the word 'seed' (זרע) does not differ from the singular, as in the English 'sheep' — the only means of distinguishing between the two is of context — and the context of the passages shows quite clearly that the author was referring to a multitude of descendants (Gen. 13:16, 22:17), namely the whole of the Israelites. This indicates to me that Paul was not very knowledgeable of Hebrew and simply misread the passage since he was relying on a Greek translation, which would distinguish between the singular 'seed' (σπέρματί) and the plural 'seeds' (σπέρμασιν).

af0be3  No.821111

File: 765d85477df7005⋯.png (438.39 KB, 590x590, 1:1, 1552568516306.png)



>Owned by Match Group

>CEO - (((Mandy Ginsberg)))

>Chairman - Joseph (((Levin)))

>Parent company - IAC

>CEO - (((Joey Levin)))

>Tinder was founded by Sean Rad, Jonathan Badeen, Justin Mateen

> (((Sean Rad))) and (((Justin Mateen))) had known each other since they were 14. They both come from Jewish-Iranian families from Los Angeles.

e3292d  No.821118


Chelsea Clinton is also a part-owner in Tinder. So literally using that app gives you money to the clintons.

101993  No.821204

e3292d  No.821222

File: d33f3623505e936⋯.jpg (156.34 KB, 525x336, 25:16, Joseph_Jesus_Mary_525.jpg)


>this much protestant autism

Tbh, she is better off without you.

But, in the spirit of charity, I'll do my best to explain to you why you are wrong in your personal interpretation of the law.

You see back than, God didn't have a face and was unknown to us. Now that we have His Son Jesus, God's face IS known to us. Thus we are able to have a closer relationship with God because of it. Hence why there were many icons and statues of our Lord after His death.

They only people autistic enough to believe that absolutely NO pictures of any sort shall be taken of ANYTHING are protestants that dont want to get closer to God, Jews that openly reject God, and Muslims that were fooled into rejecting God.

But lets assume you want to stay as protestant, thats fine. Do what you want, but don't get ridiculously autistic that you can't take any pictures at all ever. It's a picture, a snapshot of the past to help you remember a memory. No one is worshiping the photos she takes, not even her. Lighten up and BEGOME.

ac770b  No.821224


>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,

This has to do with idols.


==OR== (i.e. in addition to idols)

>any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth

This prohibits all depictions of God's creation.

e3292d  No.821225

File: ca47f95cb281de0⋯.jpg (52.22 KB, 931x524, 931:524, 694940094001_5974837838001….jpg)


Than why would God make Israel make the Ark. The same Ark that depicts creatures in heaven? Why would God blatantly contradict His own law?

Either God is arbitrary OR your personal interpretation of the law is flawed.

b35630  No.821226

Thoughts on Kinism? It seems like CI without the pseudoscience.

ac770b  No.821227


God told them to build it.

e3292d  No.821241

File: 81c8290408dca81⋯.jpg (105.86 KB, 643x800, 643:800, our-lady-of-the-rosary.jpg)


So you admit God is arbitrary and His laws don't matter. Great to hear is what I would say if I were a heretic.

Muhammad and the likes would be very happy with your extreme Iconoclasm.


For your sake, I hope you never eat pork or wear mixed fabric. God help you if you have a daughter and she gets raped. What strikes me as odd though:

If you have such strong convictions agianst pictures of all kinds


88aa59  No.821252

File: a7412933a9971dd⋯.jpg (46.98 KB, 720x720, 1:1, good night frens apu.jpg)

Hey guys i have a NIV bible and a KJV bible. I am having a hard time understanding what is being said in the KJV bible. I know its often said here that the NIV is mistranslated however do you think it would be okay for me to read the NIV to get a base idea and then read the KJV afterwards? If so are there any especially dangerous mistranslated lines i should look out for and be aware of? I am not too concerned about denominational autism contests but instead blatant and almost seemingly purposefully mistranslated lines.

Thank you for your time have a great night lads.

f92d00  No.821258


different anon, you'll come to realize that to walk with Christ requires walking IN Christ. Not in the sense of being Him, but of being is communion with Him. When you are baptized you die beside Him as the thief did on that cross, when you partake in his body you are with Him as the disciples were in the last supper, accepting His sacrifice for you and your sins, in full awareness of your sinful nature, when you pray you commune with Him as the Son communed with the Father on the mount of olives, expressing your whole soul before Him, hiding nothing from yourself or Him (like anger, sin, love, etc). Don't keep a glass wall between yourself and Him, where your day-to-day is on this side, but your nightly prayers are on that side. And remember that the Church is not the stones we lay, but the spirit of God within us shining outward like a beacon in the night.

For the record I'm protestant.

f92d00  No.821259


Assume it is, would you be willing to stop?

e10279  No.821298

What’s up with the shroud of Turin? Is the carbon dating false after all? Or is there another carbon dating that is real?

a2ea00  No.821385


pls help

523047  No.821388

Here's my question, a majority of mankind goes to hell, I refuse to become perfect and christ like, I don't want to live under the persecution, the self imposed over passive over nice whatever, the baptism of fire is what its called I think. I cant, too weak, so how can I make Gods Judgement on me less severe? Am I still forgiven for the sins I asked to be forgiven for or is the forgiveness become as null and void as my love for God?


Why didn't you just get a free bible pdf, or copy the bible from biblestudy.org and paste it into a free pdf editor, and isnt this something you could tell your family or friends or pastor instead??

08705c  No.821389


>i accept im too much of a coward to be a Christian because sinners go to hell

>condem me to eternal hell too

>but like maybe make it less severe, pretty please

Please tell me this is just a bad bait post. There is no way this is serious.

a3c0ea  No.821405

Is it sinful to distill alcohol (or anything for that matter) without a license? I am too young to get a license (1 year) and I have a batch that has taken a month to ferment, I don't want to immediately throw it away or leave it to turn to vinegar. PS I don't sell it to other people, I like distilling strictly as a hobby.

ca1f89  No.821410


It is sinful. This has nothing to do with the law of God, and you are not harmed (the opposite actually) by throwing it out. Get rid of your distilling equipment, and don't break the law of legitimate authority.

262e52  No.821431

Can anyone tell me what a Qippoz is?

a2ea00  No.821443


I wanted a specific version for self study.

6261aa  No.821450


My understanding is that here Jesus isn't saying he isn't good. He's asking the person who calls him good what it means since he is good and only God is good. And the conclusion i that therefore Jesus is God.

6ef51d  No.821630


If you live in America, then the government is not legitimate. Legitimate government serves the people and this government clearly does not.

aae0e8  No.821652


If the question is genuine and not trolling, God is not material so "His image" doesn't mean a physical body but our essence, the soul, is made similar to Him. Thanks to our soul we have intelligence to know things, to love and freedom to make choices. The size of a part of the body is not essential to us (although proportions may be?), we still remain human even if we loose that part of the body.

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