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27d771 No.499553

This is the tenth iteration of the original megathread dedicated to discussion and education on Islam and Christianity.

Congrats on our 10th thread/3rd Anniversary Thread! Let's continue onward for our edification and Christ's glory!

All Islam related subjects come HERE.

Last threads:

2: https://archive.is/OTokZ

3: https://archive.is/5Z9y5

4: https://archive.is/8NxNn

5: https://archive.is/kbWSe

6: https://archive.is/PmiUl

7: https://archive.is/S1CIp

8: https://archive.is/lz9la

9: https://archive.is/CgiJZ

Recent Events:

- Leader of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, reported dead (https://archive.is/ZVc9F, https://archive.is/PG13l, https://archive.is/R4485)

- ISIS losing ground, shaves faces and beards to flee

- "Nordic youth group" lobs smoke grenade at "demonstrating refugees"

- Daesh terrorists executed scores of men, women and children (200 Turkmen) who sought to flee the Iraqi area controlled by the extremist group

- Kurds violently turning on Assyrians (Christians, too)

- Four North America-based Islamic preachers (work with The Muslim Vibe) want Raheem Kassam’s "No Go Zones" book banned from Amazon.

- Poland continues massive "anti-Islamification" protests

- Christians and Shia Muslims continue to be hunted and persecuted, as well as Sunni Muslims who do not relent to jihadis

- Refugee Crisis continues to escalate, with many Muslim and Christian refugees being attacked, beaten and often raped in the refugee shelters and/or refugee ghettos

- Debates between prominent Muslims and Christians continue to open up freely and amicably

Recent Studies:

- Qur'anic corruption

- Morality of Allah (Quran) vs Morality of God (Torah, Kings, Psalms, Prophets, Gospels, Epistles)

- Salvation

- Messianic prophesies of Jesus

- "Women (even Muslim women) are mentally deficient, fail at religion & their testimony is worth half that of a man's" t.Muhammad

- Jizya, Honor Killings, etc

…and more studies to come, I would hope.

Current MegaLink back-up for articles, videos, audio books and more: https://mega.nz/#F!9YB2EJ5A!mfVFn6AbXk9lBLM18V02Wg

0aaaa9 No.499555

First


27d771 No.499556

File: 4660d89214b7e25⋯.jpg (626.54 KB, 1340x2048, 335:512, Christ Destroys Myth.jpg)

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

- 1 Corinthians 10:3-5

As always, just for clarification, I will open with the same MISSION STATEMENT to avoid any confusion or surprises regarding the intention and purpose of this thread as well where our heart lies:

As you'll notice from the links provided in the OP there will be certain videos, imagery and other aspects that will be reposted. This is because these videos carry a potent amount of information.

Now let me state the perspective of the OP and the goal of this thread: My mission statement with this is to teach Christians about Islam's history, its holy text(s), its practices, and in what manner we Christians can confront it.

We believers in Christ are the only ones who can reach out and save a Muslim's soul, and we are also the only ones capable of combating Islam on the battlefield of ideology.

We must arm ourselves with wisdom, clarity, and fervor if we are to act in Christ's name.

This thread will focus mainly on Islam and how Islam relates to the world and Christianity. Personal perspectives are welcome, both from believers and even Muslims. This is NOT a thread for a witch hunt, but neither is it a thread where you'll find anyone willing to meekly capitulate.

Our focus:

We must have a Christian mindset at all times, and it's necessary to reach out even to Muslim immigrants (1st generation Muslim immigrants being the most volatile in service to their god, most especially depending on their C.O.O) since we don't know their potential. Only God does. It's very possible and has been the case many times where they might be willing to engage in civil discourse or secretly wish to accept Jesus as Lord but they are afraid due to their family, upbringing and consequence in the Islamic faith.

This is also the case even for many "Westernized" Muslims, too.

However, common sense plays a big role as well when it comes to testifying and how we do so. As I always say, while we must keep our hearts and minds open while being focused on saving others in Christ, we also cannot, MUST not capitulate.

There is no sympathetic love for the fiends of Rotherham, Nice, Stockholm and more. If you must protect yourself, your family and your neighbor from such fiends then unsheathe the steel from your spine and do so. Cut them down and make an example of them to the others so that you might shield your brothers and sisters from home-grown atrocities.

But that's only if it's needed. Ours is not the path of conversion by the sword, and unjust violence is just as much of a grotesquery in God's eyes as any sin. Our first place is the battlefield of ideology, the battlefield of the spirit.

I'll trust you all to continue learning the Gospel on your own as we learn more about Islam in this thread. You MUST know the Word of God before remotely trying to testify to another, let alone entering a discussion on the nature of God's Will. May God bless you all in Christ Jesus His Son.


23b081 No.499558

This is funny, right before I came on the board I was reading about The Reconquista if Spain


27d771 No.499562

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>499555

Dangit, anon! Let me get the Mission Statement in there first! haha

Well whatever. Good job. Also sweet digits

Anyway, since this is our 10th/3rd Annual Thread, I thought it would be nice to open up this round with some familiar faces! This first debate I'm posting involves a great old Australian brother in the faith whom you might recall from his Engaging Islam series we watched together some years ago. Not only is he still around, but he also keeps up the work for the Lord! He's also rocking a salt-and-pepper goatee now.

Is Muhammad a Prophet of God?

Sheikh Wesam Charkawi & Reverand Samuel Green


27d771 No.499563

>>499558

>The Reconquista of Spain

I'm gonna post some more familiar faces, but please tell us more, anon! I know next to nothing about the Reconquista


27d771 No.499565

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Next we have our ol' historian friend Dr. Bill Warner who is not only still alive after his many years but is also still very active is warning against political applications of Islam. As James White once said in "Islam A-Z", Islam is a religiopolitical faith. If so, then Warner handles the political side of things.

You can catch him still making videos at his Tube channel (perhaps one day to be erased under the new AI algorithms of gewgle) Political Islam. He is the man of "Center for the Study of Political Islam".

Bill Warner, PhD: Winning with Precise Words: A guide to understanding Islam

Here is his take on the matter.


27d771 No.499570

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Next we have that other familiar face, Dr. James White. Last thread we had a debate posted from a Muslim anon between James White and Yasir Qadhi. Seguing from Dr. Warner's political perspective, we have a debate - apparently hosted by the "Muslim Debate Initiative" - on the matter of war and peace in the respective religions.

PUBLIC DEBATE: WAR & PEACE in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM - Dr James White & Abdullah al Andalusi

Haven't seen this one yet, but it may be interesting…or frustrating. haha


f2ab7d No.499573

>>499553

These threads have literally become posting the exact same things over and over again. Why bother? It's not like actual Muslims come here and /islam/ just laughs at our autism.

If you're going to do nothing new, then stop. Let it go, man. Let it go.


27d771 No.499574

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Following from the subject of violence, texts and history is our greatly appreciated poster of the Crusades, RealCrusadeHistory!

Still going [moderately] strong, he has a league behind him now and together they have been posting videos and podcasts on the realities and historicity of the many, many claims in the true legend of the Crusades.

This one in particular will always ruffle feathers of the liberal-minded historical revisionists.

The Ransom Saladin Required for the Christians of Jerusalem

The often described "noble" Saladin pushed to extort exorbitant sums to give up the Christian refugees under his power. It is quite an interesting, frustrating, and yet somehow familiar subject… check last thread for details


27d771 No.499575

File: 4c05de5d20468c7⋯.webm (11.31 MB, 836x428, 209:107, Quran Surah 85.22 Preserv….webm)

>>499573

>this sad demoralization attempt

Poor show, mate. This is the first time in a long while we get to look back at the faces, names and subjects we've encountered before and see how they are doing and what else new they have to add. Funny you'd cry about it being "the same thing" in this thread.

>It's not like actual Muslims come here

We not only apparently had a mod and (supposedly) the BO of /islam/ show up but several Muslims posted in the last thread. In fact, the entire half of the last thread was almost entirely one long heated discussion with an informative Muslim on textual sources, doctrines, argument for/against our faiths, etc.

>then stop. Let it go, man. Let it go.

lol no

But we DO have a slew of great webms from the last thread which I strongly urge anons to save and share for healthy, amicable discussion with Muslims, most especially this webm which details only a fraction of a much longer video regarding the corruption of the Quran in various Arabic iterations.

THE QURAN & ARABIC VARIANTS


eb0d6a No.499577

all hadiths are bidah.


27d771 No.499578

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

And our last familiar face (for now) is our beloved brothers in the faith Dr. David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi, who is suffering severely from what may very well be an incurable case of stomach cancer (check his Tube video diaries for more information, he really has cancer).

Answering Common Muslim Objections: If Jesus Paid for Sins, Why Should Anyone do Good?

Alright, enough nostalgia! Let's have a great thread, everyone!


27d771 No.499579

>>499577

>bid‘ah (innovation, heresy)

Well, dubsanon, I don't think that's typically the case, especially when it comes to Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al Bukhari.

Why do you say that about the hadith?


8fefa2 No.499586

>Kurds violently turning on Assyrians

What? They've never been closer. As we speak the Syriac Military Council are fighting and dying in Raqqa along side Arab and Kurds. Under the SDF they have autonomy and freedom to practice their religion openly. Just recently the YPG released control over Assyrian villages to self administration. There's no infighting.

Polite sage


9fd65a No.499591

>>499586

Do you think that it's possible for Kurdistan to form after the war? Will Christians there have it better?


d24df8 No.499597

File: 1643e348bc3fca8⋯.mp4 (1.35 MB, 400x228, 100:57, Kurdish terrorists threate….mp4)

>>499586

>What? They've never been closer. As we speak the Syriac Military Council are fighting and dying in Raqqa along side Arab and Kurds. Under the SDF they have autonomy and freedom to practice their religion openly. Just recently the YPG released control over Assyrian villages to self administration. There's no infighting.

Complete lies

Here's a number of links talking about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in both Syria and Iraq including the SDF

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/25/christian-assyrian-clash-kurds-syria/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/first-hand-account-kurdish-ypg-forces-routinely-terrorize-assyrian-christians-in-syria/

http://www.aina.org/news/20160112034707.htm

http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm

http://www.aina.org/reports/ace201701.pdf

The last link is a PDF specifically about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in northern Syria, including forced deportation, murder, assassination and bomb plots

from http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm

>In Iraq, the Assyrian militia that was fighting Saddam was first disarmed by U.S. forces and then later, as conditions in Iraq deteriorated, the Kurdish Regional Government(KRG) blocked all Assyrian attempts to create local Assyrian forces, even those who were designed to do nothing more than protect soft targets like Assyrian schools, churches and businesses. Finally, in 2011 forward, the Kurds forcibly disarmed even average Assyrian citizens (and Yezidis as well) throughout the Nineveh Plain and Sinjar, leaving them incapable of defending themselves.

>Once disarmed, the Assyrians and Yezidis were abandoned by the Kurdish Peshmerga as ISIS stormed across northern Iraq. The KRG's program of forced disarmament and failure to defend Assyrians and Yezidis, even women and children, has been extensively documented by a number of groups

>>499591

>Do you think that it's possible for Kurdistan to form after the war?

Not if god favors his people

>Will Christians there have it better?

Obviously not, they're worse off now than they ever were under the Iraqi government when it has been stable


eb0d6a No.499598

>>499579

Hadiths are hearsay, uninspired second-hand, and third-hand accounts written 200 years after the prophet (pbuh). They are unreliable by nature. They are also irrelevant since we have the Quran, the Injeel and the Torah still with us, there's nothing in the hadiths that we need, it's all fan-fiction that causes division and confusion.

God have mercy on those who invented all the hadiths.


597910 No.499600

>>499573

They're informative and very helpful to anyone trying to debate muslims or solidify their faith.


5a88f0 No.499604

File: a8a5c15104a2386⋯.jpg (347.73 KB, 960x1700, 48:85, IMG_4151.JPG)


9fd65a No.499605

>>499597

Thanks for the insight. I'm not too well informed about the dynamics in that area, but I always hear snippets of information of how different the Kurds are towards the Christians.

I guess that's another reason not to trust the media.


5a88f0 No.499607

File: c048da58397189e⋯.png (1.5 MB, 1200x800, 3:2, IMG_4152.PNG)


414d9e No.499610

>>499604

The ignorance of this image is astounding.


8fefa2 No.499612

>>499591

Yes actually, the local Assyrians,Syriac, and Chaldean people are in support of Kurdish Independence. The KRG is a bit too centralized for my tastes but they treat minorities like the yezidis and Christians well. In Rojava they have it better, but they won't gain independence after the war. Probably just Iraqi Kurdistan, if at all

>>499597

Wew, I know this board loves Turkey but don't fall for Erdogan's propaganda. Yeah shit went down between the YPG and Khabour Guards and Nattoreh a few years back but they've reconciled and miraculously both joined the SDF after talks. They united to defend themselves against ISIS and rouge government militas. As for the KRG, like I said, too loyal to Iraqi for comfort.


78102a No.499622

>>499607

> Using a fedora who had no love of Islam to attack Christianity


d24df8 No.499639

>>499612

>Everyone that doesn't like the Kurds is a Turk or pro-Erdogan

>rouge government militas

Doesn't exist

>INB4 muh PMUs not being cucks to Assyrians and not doing exactly what they say means they are somehow enemies

Overall you come off as /leftypol/ trash, no real Christian would support filthy sodomite commies like the Kurds who regularly abuse and displace Christians in every single territory they occupy


8fefa2 No.499663

>>499639

So are the MFS, Khabour Guards, Nattoreh, and NPU all not true Christians or martyrs and defenders of the faith while we whine hundreds of miles away? And idk where you got PMU from but they're trash so who cares.

>rouge government militas

I meant Assad's NDF. They're pretty shit tbh.


d24df8 No.499672

>>499663

>MFS, Khabour Guards, Nattoreh, and NPU all not true Christians

If they accept Kurdish sodomites as allies and work against the government which inevitably results in balkanization and the massive displacement of Christians, then yes they are counterproductive and working against the majority of Christians in the long term

>muh NDF attacking Assyrians

as i said baseless bullshit that doesn't exist

The fact that you prefer separatists and anti-government extremists over explicitly secular and pro-Christian organizations exposes you as a shill

If you want a non-shit tier Assyrian group, basically the only one is the SSNP, all others are basically ZOGbots, pro-Kurd sodomites or larpers who will never have any political influence whereas the SSNP gained a large amount of popularity and government positions in the 2014 elections


fb811f No.499711

>>499612

In what way does the KRG treat us well? They like us when we're "Kurdish Christians", they don't like us when we wave Assyrian and Iraqi flags and call ourselves Ashurayeh. You're either a nukhrayah who doesn't know any better, or a liar. The KRG constantly tries to limit the power of Zowa'a.


d20305 No.499724

>>499711

Can you stop speaking in semitic gobblegook and explain the Assyrian situation fully?


8fefa2 No.499746

>>499672

SDF are secular, although some say too much so. These are some of the oldest and smallest Christian communities, we gotta support all that we can. You have to admit, seeing a cross back in Raqqa would be bretty great.

>>499711

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't trust the KRG. But they're a well needed break between ISIS burning churches and the PMU not being any better. Stability is needed to rebuild and hopefully reintroduce many refugees who left. Ethnic hostilities still exist, no doubt, although there's a fragile alliance over the referendum this fall. It won't last past September though.

>>499724

Basically it sucks to be a believer in the Middle East.


fb811f No.499749

>>499724

Assyrians have the Assyrian Church of the East, which is its own church. In the 1500s, the Vatican created the Chaldean Catholic church, which is a Roman Catholic church for Assyrians. Now, these Chaldeans think they are a separate race, the ancient Chaldeans of old. It's autistic as fuck and these Chaldeans are actively working to separate from and undermine Assyrians, with the help of Arab and Kurdish organizations. These same Chaldeans often call themselves Arab or Kurdish Christians, depending on where they are. In the US, these Chaldeans are very radicalized and basically speak a very Arabized version of our language.

Right now, Assyrians are trying to gain more rights and recognition from Baghdad, and it's actually going somewhere for once, but these fucking Chaldean freaks are trying to undermine us. There's now a Babylon Brigade which is claiming to be a Christian group to gain support, and is run by Chaldeans, yet the ranks are full of Shia Muslims. This Babylon Brigade is an enemy to the Assyrian NPU, and the leader often attacks Yonadam Kanna, the leader of Zowa'a, the political party that the NPU belongs to.

Basically, everyone hates Assyrians and wants our land because we won't assimilate into Arab/Kurdish/Muslim society


fb811f No.499750

>>499746

There is no break, the KRG and ISIS are our enemies. The KRG allowed ISIS through to the Nineveh Plains. They're all against us. It's a conspiracy and if you can't see it then I don't know what else to say. The KRG just removed the Assyrian mayor of Alqosh and replaced him with a KRG member. We protested, and they replaced this KRG member with ANOTHER KRG member, this time a Christian (probably Assyrian) KRG shill.


7f6031 No.499753

>>499746

>SDF are secular

Only in name

see >>499597

>Here's a number of links talking about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in both Syria and Iraq including the SDF

>>499746

>the PMU not being any better.

called it, lmao

>>499639

>>INB4 muh PMUs not being cucks to Assyrians and not doing exactly what they say means they are somehow enemies


fb811f No.499756

>>499746

Explain what issues we have with the PMU besides the issue with the Babylon Brigade, which the PMU resolved with the NPU and Baghdad. Stop shilling for the KRG


d20305 No.499763

>>499756

explain the entire situation fully. Who should christians lobby for, donate to, Are the shiites or Assad any better?


7f59d4 No.499764

>>499604

cancer and lies


8fefa2 No.499765

>>499749

This basically. Really heartbreaking the Chaldeans have a dog in the fight. One of the bigger communities and they obstruct peace. Shame really.

>>499753

Oh shit you did. Dammit.

>>499750

Would you suggest fighting them? They're close with the U.S. which would turn a blind eye, it would be suicide.

>>499756

That basically. Overall they stick to themselves, although they follow a Shia agenda for the most part, but then again the Kurds follow theirs. It's honestly just a power vacuum up there with the Assyrians/Syriacs being pawns.


fb811f No.499767

>>499765

Baghdad supports Assyrians, and has allowed us to create another NPU base outside of KRG jurisdiction in Baghdeda. The other NPU base is in Alqosh, which is under KRG influence. Protesting, resistance and the support of Baghdad is what will save us from KRG imperialism. Military action against Kurds is suicide.


8fefa2 No.499773

>>499767

Cozying up to Baghdad seems meek (it is the Iraqi government we're talking about) but better to show resistance to all forms of oppression. This referendum is going to be a shit show.


fb811f No.499779

>>499773

Baghdad banned the Babylon Brigade from our land, Baghdad made the NPU an official security force of Iraq, Baghdad approved two NPU bases. I don't trust any Muslims, but Baghdad is doing more for us now. The Jews gained so much because they were very active in making their persecutions known and shoving it in everyone's face. It's our turn to speak up and demand rights.


8fefa2 No.499790

>>499779

It's brutally underreported. One wonders why but remembers who controls the media. I will say, their decision to ok the NPU was ballsy. It's honestly just so intertwined. pray for peace brother.


24f3fc No.499866

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


4842e4 No.499882

>>499607

And why must God submit to human understanding?


24f3fc No.499884

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


27d771 No.500040

File: 87d881e7d036a66⋯.gif (1.93 MB, 500x280, 25:14, chaika-dont-be-shocked.gif)

File: 7d9d8937742773a⋯.jpg (37.06 KB, 1100x1663, 1100:1663, apostle Paul.jpg)

Hey, everyone! What's new in the–?

>deep, stark discussion of regional and geopolitics between Kurds and Assyrians

o-oh…

Well, this is the first time we've had a serious discussion about that so I guess it was inevitable. Interesting to see some information which even I was not up to date on.

>>499767

>>499779

I take it you know about this on a very personal level. We will continue praying for everyone in the region, especially those our corrupt media gives deafening silence to, and especially for those who profess Christ. It's not like we want any Muslims or Yazidi to suffer, of course, but we obviously give preference to those who profess the Christ as Lord. We in the West have no control over the geopolitical machinations abroad and cannot do much to help, but our prayers, if made in the name of Christ in Gospel truth, are surely heard by One greater than any help of man. I know it sounds passe or like the Secularist well-wishing drivel, but I really do mean it when I say that I (and I am sure so many others of us) are with you in heart and praying for you. Whatever the truth may be we want as little suffering as possible. Trust in Christ as the Lord Sovereign of all, trust in Him in Gospel truth, cling to Messiah with all your soul and bone in accordance to the Scriptures.

Psalm 27

Psalm 37

Psalm 139

And of course,

'"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:''

"For Your sake we are killed all day long;

We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

- Romans 8:35-39


27d771 No.500051

File: d9554713c0cd862⋯.jpg (12.63 KB, 240x240, 1:1, read it.jpg)

File: c9133d1c22ea7f5⋯.png (2.51 MB, 777x2026, 777:2026, Jefferson_Barbary Muslim W….png)

>>499607

Good thing Jefferson wasn't an apostle or else this would matter. Also, pic related

>>499604

>Platonic deductive reasoning

This meme again? The Gospel and the Greeks by Ronald H Nash.

>>499866

>"Most of the slaves brought here were from Muslim countries, they were Muslims as well"

>Muslim countries, Muslim slaves

Now wait a minute, something doesn't smell right here. Does he even know the primary trade of slaves in Muslim countries were non-Muslims and those who could be considered Muslim were not what those slavers would call "Muslims" because, well, you wouldn't sell Muslims as slaves - especially to kafir - if you feared Allah?

>"The first country to recognize the United States was a Muslim country"

Last I checked, there were American ships getting attacked by Islamic pirates, which confused Jefferson and made him actually look into what was going on. Pic related.

>"We find Thomas Jefferson owning a quran"

OH HE ACTUALLY DID SAY IT! HAhaha! But he never said why he owned a quran - which most of them do not (mainly because they are just repeating talking points instead of actually looking these things up).

This historically-inept individual who could not do a single web search on anything he was going to mention in the interview is frustrating me now. About the only thing that's true which came out of his mouth was that Muslims like being asked about their religion - mostly. Rather upset he was unchallenged on any of the points he made.


27d771 No.500054

File: c69307d141a2438⋯.jpg (103.46 KB, 800x450, 16:9, niqab face palm.jpg)

>>499884

>Methodist starts happily talking over some hashtag which promoted Muslim women as being empowered

>"Muslim women are empowered by their faith", the imam says

Anyone want to take this away? I'll give you anons a chance to respond to this using the Islamic sources. If you need a nudge, search Thread 9's archive link with the key word "deficient".


dff5fd No.500078

>>499598

First two pillars of Islam are reliant on the Hadiths

Do you reject those and other Islamic practices that come from the Hadiths?

If so kudos for not being like others that reject Hadiths yet follow many common Islamic practices


0a7388 No.500312

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

0a7388 No.500313

File: cc57514f2cfbdf1⋯.jpg (398.7 KB, 1334x921, 1334:921, IMG_4163.JPG)


0a7388 No.500314

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


27d771 No.500390

File: 2669521d7c5c82e⋯.png (1.91 MB, 948x1036, 237:259, sparking discussion.png)

>>500312

>>500313

>>500314

>citing Dimmy's Bikimeba

>more "Constantine did it" errors

>muh "Islam is fastest growing" despite "Wind in the House of Islam" book thoroughly going against that

>pic doesn't even get the Trinity right

Can't comment on that last one since the url failed for me.

Point is - you gotta step up, Senpai. This is terrible. If you actually want to refute Christian doctrine you will need to cite the sources themselves and prove that Christianity is corrupted. Meaning, take the New Testament and contrast it with the Law, Psalms and Prophets to prove that its teachings are neither prophesied nor in accordance to the morality of God. You need to prove that the God we follow, Christ Jesus, is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. If you can prove this, you win. Christianity crumbles and only fools would continue wading through a dead false doctrine.

The flip-side, however, is that you also need to acknowledge the same for you; if Islam does not fulfill the prophesies of the Prophets and Psalms, does not align with the morality of God as shown in the Law, and thus further does not bear the harmony with the former scriptures which we content that the Gospels and Epistles do then you must forfeit Muhammad and Islam's Allah. Islam crumbles and only fools would continue wading through a dead false doctrine.

No one is allowed any escape. Take up the sources! Take up the texts, both yours and ours, and let's truly contend together! Let's see whose God is the true and living God, who bears everlasting sovereign harmony and consistency with all He has forewritten as the Author of Fate!

Which one of us truly knows Jesus? Which one of us truly knows salvation, and who will, if they continue as they are, enter utterly into everlasting fire?

Take up the sources, the sacred texts, and let's clash them together to see which bears His truth! Let's do this right for the honor of the God whom we profess to serve with our soul and marrow! If you do not do this but instead continue to hide behind such worthless pics and vids, then you have lost; this thread has no use of junkfood posts and even less room for spiritual cowards.


0a7388 No.500426

>>500390

>>500390

Abrahamic friend,

Nice meme.

I'm actually not up for doing more than hitting eachother over the head with youtube, some links, some banter, and of course (fresh) memes at present juncture.

Thanks for the Andalusi v White video. Andalusi used to make videos back 10 years ago, he had a cohost at the time, good stuff.

You're taking care of your mother - Allah bless her, guide her, protect her and reward you. Ameen. Probably other things too I imagine. I'm juggling some things as well, moving, etc. Thankfully there are more than a billion other muslims that can potentially come here for some longform exchanges. I encourage them to do so as long as there's an earnest yet respectful tone to the thread.

I've watched the wind in house of Islam on Amazon Prime. I didn't know Garrison put out global statistics, much less ones that might countervail Pew, et al.


ff6494 No.500466

>>500390

>Take the New Testament and contrast it with the Law, Psalms and Prophets to prove that its teachings are neither prophesied nor in accordance to the morality of God.

<Gnostic memes btfo by Irenaeus in 2nd century of Christ

https://www.catholic.com/video/does-god-do-unjust-things


27d771 No.500611

File: 1ad73d5bd478606⋯.webm (8.44 MB, 500x364, 125:91, Trinity [Box] Revelation.webm)

>>500426

>I'm actually not up for doing more than hitting eachother over the head with youtube, some links, some banter, and of course (fresh) memes at present juncture.

Are you the Muslimanon from the last tread? Did you look deeper into the citations I gave you? Also the Qur'anic corruptions here >>499575

I want to know what your response is to the Messianic prophesies I had listed, too.

Also, stop reddit spacing, mate.

>>500466

God never does anything unjust, correct. I don't like Catholic Answers for obvious reasons, however Staples is correct in most regards on this matter, except I would not say it is a matter of different people (since it really is not) but it is exclusively a matter of a change in covenant. We moved from the Mosaic Covenant into the Covenant of Grace written with the blood of Christ Jesus, the Son of God.


cbb0e7 No.500722

>>500611

>Are you the Muslimanon from the last tread?

Yes.

>Did you look deeper into the citations I gave you?

I gave due consideration to everything presented.

>Also the Qur'anic corruptions here

I've watched most of the video and seen those two in Speakers Corner vids. I know they have screenshots of some supposed "discrepancies", post a screen grab or two and I'll do my best to clear things up. At /islam/ I debunked one from a website it turned out to be a shoop. The admin locked the thread since we already have one dedicated thread for trialogue, that is disputations with pauline christians. Another reason why I need to devote more time to /islam/ is because we have next to no OC. Some OC can perhaps do double duty itt.

The Quran was taught to he after whom there is no prophet in seven styles that did not oppose or contradict whatsoever. The prophet (pbuh) taught them all. Infamously Umar (ra) heard Hisham bin Hakeem (ra) reciting in a different style and performed a kind of citizen's arrest. He brought him to the Prophet and the Prophet said both their recitation styles were correct.

After the death and consequent lack of approval / arbitration of the Prophet there was a need to agree on one style. Uthman ra chose the primary style used by the Prophet's tribe and hometown, having the rest destroyed. Uthman purposely left the short vowels blank to accomodate subtle variations in the reciting from the existing styles. From this one qurayshi-meccan-uthmani mushaf of consonants and long vowels there emerged regional variations in the stress of various syllables and layout of short vowel diacritical marks, eventually codifying into seven main recitation schools. Today five of these schools are extinct although there remain specialized masters that devote themselves to mastering all seven styles. Most common today is for people to memorize Quran in Hafs recitation, warsh recitation or sometimes both.

So post from two "versions" of a Quran and see what the contradictions are. See if you can establish a discrepancy and see Islam crumble.

The Qurans in the video of this man and woman are basically what a Christian would consider hymnal versions. They are books that cover elocution, breathing, meter, pause points, and other details that is used ceremonially. The actual revelation are the consonants and long vowels which are the same in all these books.


27d771 No.500753

File: 5de3b2040bdcb1a⋯.png (78.54 KB, 568x696, 71:87, vowels.png)

>>500722

>I gave due consideration to everything presented.

What is your response regarding the prophesies, especially of Jesus and His crucifixion? You never responded, mate.

>At /islam/ I debunked one from a website it turned out to be a shoop.

The one you debunked? What is it? I would like to have the false evidence here, too, so that we don't have anyone retreading ground that's built on vapor. No reason for a Christian to bother a Muslim over fake texts.

>The admin locked the thread since we already have one dedicated thread for trialogue, that is disputations with pauline christians.

You mean Christian, follower of The Way, Messianic, etc. There is no special "Pauline" Christian; Paul even warned against taking up a man's name in such a way (1 Corinthians 1:11-15, 3:1-5).

Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas [Peter]," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? - 1 Cor.1:12-13

For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. - 1 Cor.3:4

It's in light of this that I exhort Lutherans and Calvinists, etc. to reclassify their theological perspective instead of taking up such names. Christians are of Christ alone, no matter their theological leaning in the minors. There is no "Pauline" Christian, and not even Paul would have had it any other way.

>The Qurans in the video of this man and woman are basically what a Christian would consider hymnal versions.

We toss out the hymnal versions that have aberrations as significant as in >>499575

>They are books that cover elocution, breathing, meter, pause points, and other details that is used ceremonially.

Wait, please explain this to me, mate. I don't understand how a Qur'an is solely created for this purpose when the text itself does not describe this. Do you mean the style of Arabic utilized? But the change in style still should not result in such significant changes.

>The actual revelation are the consonants and long vowels which are the same in all these books.

What do you mean "the consonants and long vowels" are the revelation? You mean like pic related?

So when Surah 85:21-22 says,

But this is an honored Qur'an [Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate.

It's really just talking about the consonants and long vowels? So even if the words and the message they convey are different, as long as the consonants and long vowels that comprise the words are roughly the same, it's okay?

Genuinely help me understand the Islamic view of the Qur'an and its preservation and origin.


5409d7 No.500803

Proofs of beheading practice by Prophet Muhammad (According to “Sirat A,

Rasul” page 464):

“When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews.

Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700 : Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.”

Here is the excerpt from Dr. Andew Bostom’s article in the Frontpage Magazine:

‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

For centuries, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut.

On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."


a6b5ba No.500806

A sheep ate a page of the genuine Koran and it was lost forever. Such cases.


27d771 No.500953

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>500806

>A sheep ate a page of the genuine Koran and it was lost forever. Such cases.


27d771 No.500954

>>500803

Very interesting, anon! Thank you


506596 No.501032

>>500803

his ancestor wiped out the church of the east and wiped out the Assyrians in most of mesopotamia, Northern Mesopotamia had a christian majority before.


506596 No.501036

>>501032

Timur, baburs ancestor. A truly demonic man


27d771 No.501260

>>501036

>>501032

What more can be said about "Timur". It's the first time I heard of this.


506596 No.501274

>>501260

TImur killed close to 200000 indians from September to December 1938, and enslaved a very large amount close to 50000 within the same time. He also killed 80% of Georgia/Armenias population, enslaving close to 60000, and destroyed nearly all of the cities of Armenian Cillia and ravaged the population of Eastern Anatolia. Part of the and settlement by kurds is due to the extermination of the converted turkish population and armenian by the mongols and timur, who hit eastern anatolia very hard.


27d771 No.502127

>>501274

>Part of the and settlement by kurds is due to the extermination of the converted turkish population and armenian by the mongols and timur, who hit eastern anatolia very hard.

I got lost in the sentence here, but from what I remember the mongols utterly decimated the once steel teeth of the Islamic forces during their day, so why would Timur work with them? Was that before or after they started warring?

Sorry if I sound historically retarded; I had American public schooling so pls no bully


506596 No.502238

>>502127

Timur was a turk of patrinlineal mongol descent born in 1336 near samarkand. He usurped the leadership of the Chatagai Khanate and conquered the states that rose when from the Illkhanate collapse in 1335. During his lifetime, Chatagai, Illkhanate, Yuan all collapsed completely and golden horde split


506596 No.502242

>>502127

Mongols were also decisively defeated by the Delhi Sultanate ruling India and eventually defeated by the Mamluks in the Western Levant and Egypt


27d771 No.502252

>>502238

>>502242

Was that also what turned the tide for India regarding Muslims and mongols? Although I hear more about India's deeply embedded issues with Islam than mongols these days.


506596 No.502257

>>502252

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Khilji

India was not a big target of the main mongol invasions or by hulegu, but was invaded by the less well trained Chatagai Khanate.

Khilji also destroyed my people's kingdom, Kakatiya, and took the Koh-i-Noor diamond as loot.


27d771 No.502262

>>502257

Destroyed? As in utterly ransacked or as in razed from the face of the earth?

What more can you say about it?

Mind you, interesting as this is - and it is extremely interesting - this is the IslamVsChristianity thread. If you can give us more history and how it relates directly to Islam itself, even the textual sources (Quran & ahadith) of Islam, that's what I'm looking for - though I'm sorry to hear about such a fate for your ancestors and their incredible daimond.


506596 No.502265

>>502262

I am a Christian, but my ancestors were Hindu. Can't get into it without digression, however, loot, slavery, and war against infidels, particularly polytheists, is explicit in Islam.


298e55 No.502351

>>499555

go back to reddit


27d771 No.502958

File: 97995d969af7fdf⋯.jpg (45.68 KB, 704x476, 176:119, HUMPH.jpg)

>>499884

>>500054

Okay, anons, seriously get on this. The answer is essentially just copy-paste from the last thread.

Who here can answer this from the Islamic sources?

Here's the challenge again:

>Methodist starts happily talking over some hashtag which promoted Muslim women as being empowered

>"Muslim women are empowered by their faith", the imam says

So the idea is that Muslim women are empowered and particularly empowered by their faith. Muslim women are therefore strong in their faith, or the faith makes them empowered (stronger, likely intellectually speaking since the Methodist mentioned "degrees").

What is Islam's view of women (according to Muhammad)?

I'm actually going to be very angry if no one else can answer this after everything that was studied and discussed in the last thread.


27d771 No.503260

File: aa282a1785e1411⋯.webm (3.68 MB, 400x223, 400:223, .Islamic Majors_Robert Sp….webm)

>>502265

>loot, slavery, and war against infidels, particularly polytheists, is explicit in Islam.


27d771 No.505091

File: 509176ab223da9f⋯.gif (655.09 KB, 500x511, 500:511, get an umbrella, idiot.gif)

>>500054

>>502958

>repeat a simple question to inspire anons to show what we've covered together

>even tell them it's basically just a copy-paste from the last thread since the sources were already cited

>wait for someone to show what they've learned regarding Muhammad's view of women

>people are paying attention, someone will post

>thread reaches page 7

>no one cared to answer the question

i-its okay

it's not okay


eb8137 No.506348

Guys, I've commented on this 8ch/islam thread, they eventually had to lock it:

https://8ch.net/islam/res/22459.html

Check it out, I've shown them some examples of how their Koran affirms the Trinity and most of their replies are pretty sub-par.


70b0ff No.507878

A christanon has used the Arabic language to prove trinity in Islam.

>>>/islam/22829


27d771 No.507886

File: 607079d89761257⋯.jpg (427.09 KB, 1944x2592, 3:4, Islam'trinity'.jpg)

>>507878

That's an interesting take, but I would not be so quick to utilize Islamic phrases and concepts to convey the unique and distinct truth of the Godhead in the doctrine of the Trinity.

Perhaps it would be best to simply discuss the veneration of Muhammad to levels akin to Messianic among many Muslims (by means of necessity since, after all, we need intimacy with God and a bridge by which to meet the Holy One and without a true Messiah they are left with the rather idolized man Muhammad).

Also the reality that the Qur'an gets the Trinity wrong - along with the oppressive danger in Islam of calling "Allah" by such an intimate term as "Father" (like we who believe on Christ Jesus in Gospel truth are blessed by God to do, to call Him Father in every prayer and meditation).

But it is interesting to note that in their Tawheed they have a very three-fold notion. Using the language to explain some aspect of the Trinity is very interesting and may be helpful, but I personally want to do my best to stay clear from 1-1 correlations as much as possible, if only to avoid what others' would misconstrue from my words.


eb8137 No.508230

>>507886

The best thing to do is to emphasise the fact that Islam is merely another iteration of Arianism, and it originates from that heresy. So while there is no doubt the Koran is a heretical it is no suprise it contains many traces of Trinitarianist language and ideas.


eb8137 No.508244

>>500753

>You mean Christian, follower of The Way, Messianic, etc. There is no special "Pauline" Christian; Paul even warned against taking up a man's name in such a way (1 Corinthians 1:11-15, 3:1-5).

The Koran itself says "three messengers", two and then a third (, which their commentaries identify as Shamun and Yuhanna (Simon and John) and Bulus (Paul). So according to al-Tabari and ibn Kathir, Paul is a prophet of God mentioned by the Koran. These Mohamedans are committing "shirk" by denying the prophethood of Paul.


eb8137 No.508245

>>508244

three messengers were sent to a city*.


27d771 No.509250

>>508230

>The best thing to do is to emphasise the fact that Islam is merely another iteration of Arianism, and it originates from that heresy. So while there is no doubt the Koran is a heretical it is no suprise it contains many traces of Trinitarianist language and ideas.

Now this I can get behind.

>>508244

Very interesting! I have not heard that before.


ee70d0 No.510109

File: cd368760ebbcaed⋯.png (309.15 KB, 1276x717, 1276:717, cd368760ebbcaed017d643a173….png)

>"O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) replied: Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says."

>the form of a man

>I talked to a man who said he was an angel


009aef No.510959

>>508230

>>508244

They are committing far worse "shirk" with the rejection of Lord Jesus Christ's divinity.

- And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household


6a0959 No.511264

How should we talk to Muslims who think they know what Christians believe and are arrogant, but really misunderstand us?

I'm not really sure if I should even try as I'm worried I might scandalize someone when I get to heated, but they're so wrong and so prideful and I feel like I need to say something


7cae34 No.511271

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>511264

intimidate them.


7882b6 No.511297

File: ed2bc899e184a09⋯.jpg (502.82 KB, 881x1600, 881:1600, 53423.jpg)

>>511264

I was a Muslim as a teenager and I still struggle with it sometimes, but let me tell you this:

You're completely right, most Muslims know barely anything about Christianity. I mean even look at Muhammad, he thought he Trinity was the Father, Mary and Jesus.

For most Muslims, Christianity = Catholicism/Orthodoxy. Don't be surprised when you meet ones that don't know what Protestantism is. Funnily, since I've come to this board I've noticed that a lot of Muslims look at Christianity in the uninformed way that Protestants look at Catholics/Orthodox. They think we worship idols, pray to people, etc.

>arrogance

They are raised like this. To them, we are kuffar (unbelievers that will burn in hell). Imagine if you're raised with this mindset that you're better than everyone that's a non-Muslim. Of course, that doesn't mean that there's a united Ummah (Islamic community). Most Muslims hate each other, look at the state of Asia, Middle East and Africa. Pride is the only thing they have to fall back on.

>but they're so wrong and so prideful and I feel like I need to say something

Feel free to do so, but don't be surprised when they close themselves off from hearing more. 2 out of 3 Muslims will not be open to new ideas due to the fear of Allah ingrained in them, but that 1 out of 3 will accept them and perhaps convert to Christianity.

Now, don't confuse the fear of Allah to being religiosity. You'll meet the most hedonistic Muslims that disregard all teachings of Islam, but still believe in Allah due to the fear of hell. Even if they are defeated in a debate, they will still fall back on their pride and belief in Allah. I'd say that this type of mindset makes up a large chunk of the Muslim population.

Last point: don't look at Muslims as a single unified religion. There are many sects with different teachings, same as Christianity.


6a0959 No.511298

>>511271

I've heard this before, but it seems like they're just retarded. His bit at the end is totally how I feel about talking to Muslim. So many factually false beliefs and changed subjects, also totally unequal treatment in regards to secular scholastics


6a0959 No.511305

>>511297

Thanks for the response. How do you think the Trinity should be delt with? I'm willing to explain, but they are so sure they already know what we believe, but then they prove they don't. In a different thread pictures of a man with three faces and three in one bodywash were being posted, and totally fallacious statements about church history spouted out. There's also the problem that they will not discus things fairly, like if I accused the Quran of having contradictions, not really something I do but something I witness often, then they would require we read everything through a certain lens, but with Christian documents they not only don't allow us to show Christian beliefs on them, but they want us to take the most radically anti-Christian view possible, way outside of reasonability, as having some truth to it or any right to have a voice in an argument


7cae34 No.511312

>>511298

Mr.wood's tactic on confrontation w/ muslims and their beliefs is how many people denounced islam for Christianity (of course, they wouldn't allow themselves to appear to acknowledge their religion's weakness, in fear of humiliation).

Remember, Muslims get their christology from the Qu'ran (sometimes the hadiths as well) before they engage with the bible, thus interpret every biblical verse from the view of the Qu'ran. But fortunately for us, the quran's errors are relatively easy to correct and very ahistorical. If they keep ignoring your every rebuttal, then they start repeating questions that has been antiquity answered, just tell them the gospel, shake the dust off and move on. Your walk and roars around Jericho would be accomplished, now allow God to finish the city as He wills.


7882b6 No.511317

File: 0c47cb976fdbd51⋯.jpg (70.16 KB, 717x480, 239:160, camel-urine.jpg)

>>511305

>How do you think the Trinity should be delt with? I'm willing to explain, but they are so sure they already know what we believe

I don't know any good approaches except keep hammering away at the other fallacies of Islam (trust me, there's lots of them) and eventually they might submit to the Christian explanation of the Trinity.

Keep in mind these people will believe everything Muhammad (who may have not even existed, according to recent research; there were many self-proclaimed prophets at the time and information about Mo was only compiled by his prophets later on after his death) says. They even drink camel urine because the Qur'an claims it's good for you.

> There's also the problem that they will not discus things fairly, like if I accused the Quran of having contradictions, not really something I do but something I witness often, then they would require we read everything through a certain lens, but with Christian documents they not only don't allow us to show Christian beliefs on them, but they want us to take the most radically anti-Christian view possible, way outside of reasonability, as having some truth to it or any right to have a voice in an argument

Hm, I'd say go after the small fish first (debunking the various claims throughout the Quran with non-Christian sources) before going for their core beliefs.)

I've seen a fair number of Muslims where their faith shatters due to this approach. For example, there's a lot of Muslims that have never personally read the Quran in their vernacular language. These are often the ones crying out and condemning groups such ISIS for not being Islamic. They believe what their cherry-pick for them and chant Arabic prayers they don't know the meaning of. It is when they open the book and read about Muhammad's slaughtering, rape, pedophilia, etc that they reexamine their religion. Keep in mind that Islam teaches the words in the Quran are the direct words of Allah and that there are no errors. Muslims will be prideful about this and come up with theories that require extreme mental gymnastics by claiming that the Quran has much knowledge that humans didn't even know about. You can point out the embryology in the Quran being plagiarized from the Greek scholars or even the splitting of the moon by Muhammad being debunked by American astronauts who landed on the moon (a lot of Muslims hate America for this, lol).

You can Google the list for yourself, it's really extensive.


7882b6 No.511318

>>511317

>They believe what their cherry-pick

I meant to say: what their imams and sheikhs cherry-pick for them.


6a0959 No.511321

>>511297

>For most Muslims, Christianity = Catholicism/Orthodoxy.

In regards to this I have mixxed experiences. When talking about the Trinity or iconography or something then we're all Cathodox, but when we talk about salvation then we're all Protestant Sola-Fide, it's inconsistent but usually what I run into with them

>>511312

I was already a fan of Wood, although this video was new to me. I think that with his very unique history and personality he is able to pull this off well, but I also thin different Muslims require different approaches, and some Christians shouldn't use certain approaches on others based off of their own personalities. I guess maybe shaking the dust off is what I need to learn, although I'm cautious not to do that to early. It just seems they will not honestly have a conversation and that's infuriating, as here we get spicy with each other, but most denoms will stay in the fight for a long time and over time certain memes which are weaker die out

>>511317

Thanks


6a0959 No.511554

How do we explain that the whole muh unaltered text thing is a meme? They keep complaining about this or that interpolation, but the thing is that we have identified them and they seem to have developed so late that in many cases they are younger than Islam, so they're literally complaining about interpolations that the people at the time of Muhammad wouldn't have had to deal with. Also they don't seem to know or care about how the Bible and Quran had different ways they propagated at the beginning of their existences, with the Bible repropagating in a politically hostile enviorment with very loose controls, whereas the Quran repropagated in a politically supportive, but highly controlling environment. It's like I know how to adress all of the nonsense they say, bu they behave so terribly that I don't want to type anything up because I know they won't address the point and will let out some autism about me being a pagan or some nonsense, unlike their totally non-pagan prophet who recycled pagan activities for one of their five pillars. It's just so infuriating and I know I should care for them but I honestly just think their worse than all the other groups that give me problems, I just want to tell them in front of a large reasonable audience how wrong they are and why so they can see how everyone else would agree they're wrong. I'm just so over it but I feel like I shouldn't be


df904f No.511633

>>511554

This was a mess of a post so I don't know if this video is relevant to your interests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw


ba6024 No.511701

>>511297

What converted you?

Did your family try to kill you?

What country do you live in?


27d771 No.511825

>>511271

OOps, you got it before me, haha

>>511297

Very interesting and insightful, anon, particularly on the issues of pride, fear and perception.

>Last point: don't look at Muslims as a single unified religion. There are many sects with different teachings, same as Christianity.

That's something we have most certainly learned after these last years studying this subject together.


27d771 No.511827

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>>511554

>How do we explain that the whole muh unaltered text thing is a meme?

Webm here >>499575

Full video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw

History of Qur'an [the first time any quran was burned was by Muslims] is vid related


27a724 No.511844

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Islam = Ebionite Christianity + Nestorianism


27d771 No.511846

File: 79e202e28b28d3b⋯.webm (11.59 MB, 576x444, 48:37, Quran History.webm)

>>511554

Just made an edited webm of >>511827

For convenience's sake it's mainly the citations from the sources with very little comedy


6a0959 No.511852

>>511846

Thanks, I think I might not be cut out to talk to these people, but it's good for these webms to float around


27a724 No.511950

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27a724 No.511954

>>511950

Audio quality on this vid is really bad but listen anyway.


27a724 No.511976

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27a724 No.512458

Keep this discussion going.


6a0959 No.512470

>>512458

The Muslims seem like a demonic and lost people with a few in their that could potentially be saved, but I have no idea how to deal with the rest of their barbaric hordes that behave worse than I have ever seen in real life, and more consistently bad than I have seen on just about any board. I don't know how or even if I should talk to them, but they sure get triggered by this thread


27a724 No.512526

>>512470

If you watch the videos I linked, Yusuf explains how Islam started off as a form of Judaized Christianity mixed with Nestorianism (a hersey).


631e78 No.512778

/Islam/ is blocking mr now. I didn't respond to one single question, which I am willing to answer, and a dude said I couldn't post until I answered. I asked if he was a mod twice and both times my comment was deleted. I'm done there if their mods are going to delete things in silence and not be public with their moderation. I just posted here so people can know what's going on over there and that they will not be treated fairly there


2d29af No.514046

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>>512778

Sounds very underhanded but the mods would simply be trying their best to keep Muslimanons from being approached with information they cannot address


2d29af No.514293

File: cb282342b4df0ba⋯.webm (11.73 MB, 360x360, 1:1, IslamvsChrist_Thread.webm)

>>512470

>The Muslims seem like a demonic and lost people

No moreso than any other sinner, anon. The difference is in what they are taught, what their texts state. Because of its amalgamation with Judaism, Christianity, and lots of pagan and apocryphal myths it has a very particular fingerprint that people can see as being uniquely demonic - but when you compare it to things like Hinduism you'd be surprised how outlandishly demonic a religion can get.

>I don't know how or even if I should talk to them,

You have to bear discernment when speaking to anyone, including Muslims, outside. If they are the No-Go Zone types then heed Christ's words in Matthew 7:6. If they are just typical folk or classmates or etc. then just approach them wanting to talk about religion and politics. You can be surprised how many are fine with it once they know you're not out to catch them or trick them or something.

>but they sure get triggered by this thread

haha Yeah

That's because

this is the NERV center


e773d9 No.514297

>>512778

This board's mod log isn't public either. Never have figured out why, but whatever. What was the question you wouldn't respond to and why didn't you respond to it?


b4ad80 No.514663

>post on /islam/

>thread is about arguments against islam

>post a question about Satan in Your Nose hadith

>get normal replies from normal users, ok

>mod sees my post, deletes it, starts crying profusely

lmao

their mods are so sensitive, i wonder if it was the tranny mexican with mental problems


b4ad80 No.514664

>>514638

>I haven't run into any autistic arrogant hindus yet

there's one on 4cuck pol, he totally hates christianity and has a twitter account all about hinduism, and randomly insults Christ for no apparent reason

he's also a namefag there, can't remember what it is tho


e773d9 No.515235

File: 941d4b4a8e00089⋯.png (34.52 KB, 1264x209, 1264:209, rules.png)

>>514665

From the BO. He actually tends to be a decent sort of fellow, but he has a serious hardliner Vol.


2d29af No.515254

>>515235

That's great, actually! Thanks for giving us the heads-up here.


403b2c No.515506

Islamic cons:

1. polygamy (pro and con)

2. killing apostates (basically evil)

3. pedophilia (immoral?)

4. circumcision (nuisance, ugly)

5. have to eat halal (nuisance)

6. pray 5x a day (nuisance considering you have to do full prostrations, even in public)

7. heaven too much physical/lustful/food pleasures

8. music is forbidden (depending on interpretation)

9. easy divorce (pro and con)

Islam pros:

1. no original sin, man is basically born good but just 'weak'

2. quran seems well preserved, no interpolations

3. salvation is straight forward, faith and good deeds

4. pure monotheism

5. no clergy needed

6. sharia is good in theory, need rules for society as a whole

7. no limbo/purgatory/strange dimensions

8. simple


9e95c3 No.515571

File: 1d73d3fc1a23916⋯.png (257.82 KB, 1793x589, 1793:589, persecutionofchristians.png)

>>515235

>7/11/17


d005db No.515572

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3823fb No.515574

>>515506

Islamic cons:

1. it's a false religion

Islamic pros:

doesn't matter, it's a false religion


ed7d83 No.515577

>>515506

The Koran is poorly written and quite boring fanfiction. I will admit the tradition of chanting the Koran is nice, but otherwise it's just poor quality. I'm guessing the talmud is of better quality, since Jews have higher IQs than bedouins.


403b2c No.515588

>>515577

I like the matter-of-fact tone of the Quran, lends itself well to certainty, whenever I pick up and read bits of it I just go "ya, of course…"

For example I just opened up and found these verses just now and they are all straight forward, make sense and stated with some sense of authority…much like how Jesus spoke in the gospels, not the same style of language, but the same matter of fact tone.

>In fact, whoever submits himself to Allah, and is a doer of good, will have his reward with his Lord—they have nothing to fear, nor shall they grieve.

>Originator of the heavens and the earth. Whenever He decrees a thing, He says to it, “Be,” and it becomes.

> The Jews say, “The Christians are not based on anything;” and the Christians say, “The Jews are not based on anything.” Yet they both read the Scripture. Similarly, the ignorant said the same thing. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection regarding their differences.


403b2c No.515589

File: 85421b10ac662fa⋯.jpg (86.18 KB, 1440x1080, 4:3, 1504287353686.jpg)

>>515572

>posting a fedora channel

>"insane islamic verses"

>earth was created before sun and stars

>men lived hundreds of years in the time of the flood

so like the bible.


d005db No.515590

>>515589

Nah, the Koran's a special kind of retarded.


403b2c No.515593

>>515574

why do you think so?

besides the obvious reason that it denies the trinity.


93f44d No.515595

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>>515588

>>515589

I'm not a fan of Steven Anderson, but he does a pretty good job of debunking Islam here. It's long, but skip around and you'll get the gist.


26551b No.515602

>>499553

Let's see

Most christian denominations have been cucked into telling white people to become humble and obedient servants of semitic culture.

Everything good from christianism has been "redacted", we're being told christianism is just about being a cuck and offering the other cheek, to not fight back, to love muslims and niggers and let them take us over demographically.

Christianism in its current state is as weak as it could get, it's a pushover, we're told to lay down and let everyone else stomp us without putting up a fight.

Women are told god will forgive them if they fuck 30 guys before marriage and have 6 mixed race children out of wedlock as long as they at some point marry a beta white guy who feeds them.

Men are told to be subservient and weak, to pray instead of fighting, to accept instead of leading, to tolerate, to smile while everyone else is pounding their ass.

Neo-christianism has barely any resemblance of actual Christianism.

And finally, atheism, anti-christianism and generally non-genuine christianism are snowballing every day.

Meanwhile muslims are told the exact opposite, they are told to fight, to take and to conquer in the name of god, they fucking blow up in the name of god if necessary.

Their women are told to be loyal servants of god and men, their men are told to be unwavering, strong and convert the world.

Islam is still largerly unchanged from 2000 years ago, conversion rates are breaking through the roofs, no one has ever been as afraid and accepting of Islam as today.

Let's be realistic here.

If we're not donning a chainmail and a two handed sword in the next 20 years, all that will be left of Christianism will be stories from history books. A few paragraphs redacted by semites where Christianism will be downplayed if not mocked.

This coming from someone who doesn't even believe in God, for I cannot convince myself to believe even though I wish I could, but I strongly believe in that Christianism and the future of Western countries are strictly tied.

I would die for Christ sooner than most Christians and I'm not even a believer, that's how bad Christianism is today.

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403b2c No.515604

File: 4133e7a84edf2a3⋯.png (681.42 KB, 608x1119, 608:1119, Enel_Shocked_Face.png)

>>515595

>catholic posting anderson

Lord have mercy on you.


403b2c No.515608

File: 7cba557048d9758⋯.jpg (258.78 KB, 804x1800, 67:150, infighting.jpg)


d005db No.515610

>>515602

China will soon have more Christians than America. Catholicism is booming in India. The faith is strong in Africa. It's just whitey that's being btfo.


403b2c No.515615

>>515610

> It's just whitey that's being btfo.

Christ is doing fine in eastern europe and russia.


93f44d No.515617

File: a2b7aab87b9fc6e⋯.jpg (330.3 KB, 1048x845, 1048:845, 23123.jpg)

>>515604

As long as you ignore the occasional Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura interjections he makes, his arguments are solid.

>>515602

No offense dude, but this reads like a /pol/ post.

>Most christian denominations have been cucked into telling white people to become humble and obedient servants of semitic culture.

I think it's mostly an American Protestant thing to shill for Israel.

>Everything good from christianism has been "redacted", we're being told christianism is just about being a cuck and offering the other cheek, to not fight back, to love muslims and niggers and let them take us over demographically.

I mean, that's really not the case. Have you ever been to church? You hear the vocal leftists (usually Protestants) talking about being accepting of those things. Also, don't berate non-whites. There are many great Christians that are black.

>Christianism in its current state is as weak as it could get, it's a pushover, we're told to lay down and let everyone else stomp us without putting up a fight.

Where are you getting this from?

>Women are told god will forgive them if they fuck 30 guys before marriage and have 6 mixed race children out of wedlock as long as they at some point marry a beta white guy who feeds them.

Wrong again, fornication is a sin. There are many secular women that identify as Christian, but in the end God will know their sins.

>Men are told to be subservient and weak, to pray instead of fighting, to accept instead of leading, to tolerate, to smile while everyone else is pounding their ass.

Again, what do you mean? It's not like we're fighting some war…

>And finally, atheism, anti-christianism and generally non-genuine christianism are snowballing every day.

I agree with you here. We must work hard against secularism and any other non-Christian religion.

>Meanwhile muslims are told the exact opposite, they are told to fight, to take and to conquer in the name of god, they fucking blow up in the name of god if necessary.

I think that's more of a trait that's inherent to individuals from the third world. You'll find Christians from those areas of the world that would be willing to do the same. There's other ways to get your message across instead of blowing yourself up.

>Their women are told to be loyal servants of god and men, their men are told to be unwavering, strong and convert the world.

It's the same in Christianity, though.

>Islam is still largerly unchanged from 2000 years ago

Islam was created in the 7th century.

>conversion rates are breaking through the roofs

That's false, Christianity is getting more converts. Islam is increasing because their followers tend to be based in the third world and thus they tend to have a higher birth rate. If you compare them to the Christians in those areas, they have similar birth rates.


456576 No.515622

File: cd9fdb5a5354f9d⋯.jpg (19.92 KB, 255x181, 255:181, IMG_1412.JPG)

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage:

3 Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make onto thee any graven Image, or any likenesse of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow downe thy selfe to them, nor serve them: For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquitie of the fathers upon the children, onto the thirde and fourth generation of them that hate me:

6 And shewing mercy onto thousands of them that love mee, and keepe my Commandements.


ed7d83 No.515630

File: 1f325ca2c4565e6⋯.png (241.13 KB, 439x272, 439:272, pl-hu.png)

>>515615

Let's not forget CENTRAL Europe. :^)


93f44d No.515633

>>515630

Rodak? :^)


456576 No.515640

File: 45ba6d938963351⋯.gif (74.67 KB, 307x457, 307:457, IMG_1528.GIF)

5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.


456576 No.515642

File: 1ebef64d030d127⋯.jpg (601.31 KB, 1920x1200, 8:5, IMG_1555.JPG)

1My brothers, don't hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory with partiality.

2For if a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, comes into your synagogue, and a poor man in filthy clothing also comes in;

3and you pay special attention to him who wears the fine clothing, and say, "Sit here in a good place;" and you tell the poor man, "Stand there," or "Sit by my footstool;"

4haven't you shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?

5Listen, my beloved brothers. Didn't God choose those who are poor in this world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the Kingdom which he promised to those who love him?

6But you have dishonored the poor man. Don't the rich oppress you, and personally drag you before the courts?

7Don't they blaspheme the honorable name by which you are called?

8However, if you fulfill the royal law, according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well.

9But if you show partiality, you commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors.

10For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not commit murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

12So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom.

13For judgment is without mercy to him who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.


8f1c7f No.515678

File: 01c1915355ab675⋯.png (14.24 KB, 641x354, 641:354, asatrurising.png)

>>515617

>That's false, Christianity is getting more converts.

Christianity is a revolving door it has the most people leaving and the most people joining. It's the Obamacare of Religions, you like your culture - you can keep your culture, just worship this jew and send us some money. Islam and Asatru are both rising for Ragnarok, you'll be in a ditch long before, cuck.

("this jew" is God incarnate, you Psalm 14:1)

2d29af No.515691

File: bd95803bdde1ff3⋯.png (610.96 KB, 1588x2632, 397:658, Actual History.png)

File: 7ccebc3d5faa7dc⋯.jpg (136.04 KB, 960x566, 480:283, NORSE PAGANS.jpg)

>>515678

>>515682

>Ragnarok

>Norse LARPer

I'm gone just a couple days (throat cold) and this is what pops up?

Let's all get back to Islam


2d29af No.515702

File: b737a594538638b⋯.webm (5.92 MB, 350x194, 175:97, Bible, Slave, Homo, Debat….webm)

>>515571

Ah, well that's disappointing. Can anyone verify if we had anons running in there on white stallions trying to rescue Muslims from Islam with very, very unfunny David Wood impersonations?

Everyone has a different style, guys. You'll notice that Wood does not enter into a cove of Muslims and get snarky - at least, not normally. He simply stands wherever he is and gets snarky, and from that snarkiness he draws in Muslims to him. The difference is very clear. You can attract attention and discourse by being smug where you are, but you'd never want someone getting smug after they ran into your home.

Tactful and curios is the approach; genuinely ask what they believe, what branch of Islam they hold themselves to, and what they think about the things you bring up. You will inevitably get repetitious arguments and from that you'll get very short-tempered anons. This is only fair. After a while I'm sure they get as tired having to answer about Aisha's age at marriage to Muhammad just like we get tired of being asked about that stupid fig tree or why Jesus prayed to God (the Father).

Remember, these are a people who are strongly encouraged to recite mantras and verses daily. Repetition is not new to them. Just be mindful of your approach and don't let them feel like you've been coached or like you're trying to infiltrate them. Muslims are very politically minded and hate subversion against them - both of which we strongly relate to, haha

I'm not discounting the idea that the mods are also trying to find excuses to shut the influx of inter-board ministry, but from that time the BO posted in this thread it seems they may have their own reasoning beyond "SHUT IT DOWN".

Anyway, more webbums


990e4f No.515706

File: 22b6e68e0108a70⋯.jpg (19.72 KB, 493x533, 493:533, 22b6e68e0108a707cbb9cb42a3….jpg)

>>515506

>2. quran seems well preserved, no interpolations

>4. pure monotheism

>6. sharia is good in theory

>8. simple

My sides


def5d3 No.515775


93f44d No.515784

>>515678

0/10 for effort lmao


2d29af No.517316

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I guess David Wood got angry that none of you answered the question I put forth to encourage you >>500054 so he answered it himself


40563b No.517323

File: 290501adde04b1f⋯.jpg (28.25 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 32423.jpg)

>>517316

Maybe he browses /christian/


2d29af No.517339

File: 9d2ee93022e3589⋯.png (404.97 KB, 415x609, 415:609, Aesthetic Apologetics.png)

>>517323

>tfw he's a smug machine

>tfw he watches OPM

>tfw he could have been any of those earlier (1) anons in passing


990e4f No.517448

>>517414

David Wood lost his glasses between panels one and two


ff1e32 No.517455

>>517316

>>517323

>>517339

What denomination is David? I know he's Protestant. Reformed?


990e4f No.517457

>>517449

Yeah but fix that


5bd0dc No.517480

>>517462

Iirc the guy between Shabir Ally and Zakir Naik converted to Christianity


2d29af No.517714

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>>517480

Goes to show how old that pic is.


2d29af No.517796

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From our brother 1mind

My Relationship With My Parents Since Leaving Islam FOR CHRIST


800796 No.517904

File: 6a76a96b3f2989a⋯.jpg (21.51 KB, 500x476, 125:119, yuri-smug.jpg)

>>515617

>It's not like we're fighting some war…


473b5a No.518000

>>517904

spiritual warfare was meme warfare before it was hip


2d29af No.518247

>>517904

I like to imagine Best Bezminov was blessed to receive the Gospel and died at peace, with his wife following soon after.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Anyone have any more nifty subjects to bring up?


2d29af No.518852

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Officially uploaded debate,

Wood & Spencer

VS

Hussain & Ebady


2d29af No.519034

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NABEEL QURESHI MAY DIE IN A FEW DAYS

Our brother in the faith might be leaving his wife and little girl to go home soon. Please pray for him, everyone. Pray that God's will is done, that he may be healed and if it is God's will to take him home then that peace reigns for his soul and the souls of his wife and child.


3ab2b9 No.519037

>>519034

Pray for him lads


76fbc7 No.519158

File: c51c12e4033bf09⋯.jpg (68.85 KB, 730x280, 73:28, 1481345796763.jpg)

File: 13400a8d6273df6⋯.webm (2.14 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, sadrenge.webm)

>>519034

>Islamists will call this God's retribution for apostasy

He was one of the middle easterners who changed my view of them. Damn it.


3da75c No.519192

>>519158

there's a thread on /islam/ where they are mocking him. basically them taking joy in the suffering of non-muslims.

quite typical.


2d29af No.519779

>>519192

Welp, that's upsetting but to be expected, sadly.


191561 No.520065

>>519158

>Islamists will call this God's retribution for apostasy

>implying it isn't


2d29af No.520316

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This is essentially our mission statement, from the mouth of our brother himself regarding his own legacy


2d29af No.520329

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>>520065

If this is God's retribution for apostasy then what do you call Muhammad being poisoned by a Jewish woman (who he captured after murdering her family) tested if he was actually a prophet or not?

Was it also retribution when a sheep ate verses of your Qur'an, as attested to by Aisha? Vid related

You know, Aisha, the most favored among Muslims, who had her chest smacked painfully by Muhammad (this was some time after he had married her as a child though - that is, she was a child (http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm).

How about that time when Muhammad said [Muslim] women fail at religion and are mentally deficient (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826)? That includes all women, by the way, including…well, you know…

But that's just speaking from your own sources. If cancer is retribution from God on Nabeel then I wonder what having a "prophet" like Muhammad must be for you people.

Of course I only write all that to show you how foolish it is to pretend to sit in the mind of God and claim His reason for doing/allowing anything without firm scriptural support - and that is difficult when your scriptures are not as sound as the scriptures which they claim to follow.

That being said, I'm making it known now: This one post is the last and only post that will be tolerated regarding any subject of Nabeel's cancer. We are under no obligation nor duty to give air to mockery or even sincerely spoken theological notions stating this is "retribution for apostasy". On this one issue, this one specific subject - Nabeel Qureshi's cancer - we will not tolerate any such thing. Such swill will not be tolerated again, and anyone who posts it will be uprooted.

All anons please be mindful of this.


7fbabd No.520355

>>520065 (you)

>>520329 (you)

Same.Faggot. Muslims don't consider him an apostate, even Jay Smith and James White say Qureshi was never muslim.


ef8abf No.520369

>>520316

Thank you for sharing this brother.


2d29af No.520392

>>520369

God bless you, anon. Let's pray for him and his wife and child.

>>520355

What are you talking about? Who's the same?


40563b No.520395

File: fc005642f24f868⋯.png (259.39 KB, 478x475, 478:475, 3562445.png)

lmao guys I was just on the Muslim board and found a bunch of screenshots from this board from when we talk about Islam followed by them complaining

those guys are so insecure about their faith that it's actually pretty funny


2d29af No.520867

File: 9d9f2de1d1528f7⋯.png (421.67 KB, 770x572, 35:26, tsunmuslim.png)

>>520395

Sometimes I think MuslimAnons are just hardcore TsunTsundere

On another note, anyone have anything else to share? Any interesting studies of their own?


2d29af No.521876

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Interesting update from Syria:

>I've translated clips of the final moments of the siege on Deir Ezzour by ISIS.The Syrian army and allies held onto the city for 4 years, Deir Ezzour did not fall. A tribute video is on its way

So it seems ISIS has been routed. Or repelled. I do not know how much better the hands are that overcame ISIS but I know how evil ISIS is and can, in that least, be thankful to God for another failure of His enemies.


3823fb No.521897

>>520395

Can you link? Also I just went there and noticed "Trini General" is a thread with the most post on the entire board. What does that mean??

>>520867

Well, ISIS is getting rekt hard in Syria and hopefully they won't be a problem very soon, if this is somehow related to Islam vs Christianity.


b4ad80 No.523816

my question is does Islam identify God with love? Because love is the highest sign of intelligence and personhood.

I know they talk about their Allah being merciful and compassionate but does he love us? is he love? Is he a fatherly figure to his creation?

Because I consider God being love one of the biggest revelations and most important "omni" powers he has, without this fact then he isn't really God and is just another being among many.


2d29af No.523834

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>>523816

>does Islam identify God with love?

Vaguely, but because of how distant Islam makes Allah from man it's a faint, word-only kind of love. There is absolutely nothing of the kind we see in Jesus to be found within Muhammad let alone Allah. They understand that God is to be recognized as merciful and holy, yet it does not bear any true understanding of love, mercy and holiness or how the three can coexist without a capricious, whimsical God.

>Because love is the highest sign of intelligence and personhood.

Who told you that? That's an interesting perspective.

>I know they talk about their Allah being merciful and compassionate but does he love us? is he love? Is he a fatherly figure to his creation?

He is not remotely to be recognized as a father, and the term of father is also very misunderstood and stilted among Muslims strictly according to the Islamic view. Here's an example of a Muslim explaining why Allah cannot be "Father":

>This means that Allah is not compared to anything in creation. He is the creator. Not the created. He isn't like us and we are not like him. So for him to be a father is against his existence. He does not nor will not marry be married , have children , or ever die. These are not apart of his attributes. These are that of the created. Not of the creator. Im going to stop there. I really hope this helps you and that I answered your question. I ask Allah subhanawa ta'ala to guide us all to a strong understanding of his religion Islam that he has chosen for us. Ameen.

Allah is not just superior, almighty and utterly surpassing all things but he is also absolutely unreachable. He is so beyond man that he cannot bear any true expressive intimacy with him. There is no intimacy with Allah as the saint has with God through Christ. Some Muslims mitigate this by, often unintentionally, treated Muhammad as the surrogate Christ figure and laying all of their loving descriptions on him - but, of course, this is not the reality of anything in the Islamic sources. Muhammad is not anything like Jesus and even Islam expresses this with how Isa is sinless but Muhammad even got tricked into speaking Satanic verses.

TL;DR If one thinks Judaism bears a stilted view of God's love (and it does) then they haven't seen anything yet when it comes to Islam's Allah.

>Because I consider God being love one of the biggest revelations and most important "omni" powers he has, without this fact then he isn't really God and is just another being among many.

It's dangerous to say that God would be like any other being if He did not have love. He would not. However, love truly is the definitive trait of God - alongside His perfect righteousness. Muslims won't admit it but via Islam they find it difficult to see how rigid, perfect righteousness and overwhelming love can coexist in any meaningful expressed fashion, hence their bafflement over the very heart of the crucifixion of Messiah.


d77fc2 No.523846

>>523834

Five star post, my man.


2d29af No.523853

File: 42205b41118cd33⋯.jpg (190.47 KB, 832x603, 832:603, Job-1.jpg)

File: 7c5a8648207c6b1⋯.jpg (322.78 KB, 1600x2000, 4:5, Apostle-Paul.jpg)

File: 9c66ba1479a8bed⋯.png (2.71 MB, 1068x1508, 267:377, Apostle Peter.png)

Surah 5:18

>But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

vs

>"Behold, God works all these things,

>Twice, in fact, three times with a man,

>To bring back his soul from the Pit,

>That he may be enlightened with the light of life.

- Job 33

>"For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives."

- Hebrews 12:6

>Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

>"For Your sake we are killed all day long;

>We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

>Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

- Romans 8:35-39


2d29af No.523855

>>523846

haha Well may God bless you wonderfully with light, truth and all abounding life in Christ Jesus our very loving, personal and beloved Savior


b4ad80 No.523934

>>523834

> because of how distant Islam makes Allah from man it's a faint, word-only kind of love.

Thanks for the concise reply. I figured Allah lacked the deep relationship potential that God actually has. Allah doesn't seem very "immanent" or personal, mostly transcendent.

>>Because love is the highest sign of intelligence and personhood.

>Who told you that? That's an interesting perspective.

not 100% sure, but I think I got it from an essay on Hegel's view of the trinity.


5ba623 No.524339

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>>523934

Was just on /islam/ trying to figure out the difference between the Christian definition of love and the Islamic definition of love. I went for the definition because it seems like what we mean by love and what they mean by love are two different things. I'm including their responses as pictures, though I'm continuing to question them.

I'd also appreciate a little input on what I put forth as the Christian definition of love: to love someone is to voluntarily and appropriately take on suffering in their place.


2d29af No.524729

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Fantastic, interesting and even difficult 40+min video by RealCrusadesHistory:

Female Captives in the Crusades

Not only the matter of how female captives were treated by Islamic soldiers (you can already know how that went just by going over the Islamic sources of how they treated female captives in general) but also how the various Crusaders over the various crusades treated female captives.

I suggest that everyone interested in the subject of history here, especially the DEUS VULTers, take a long watch of this - for worse and for better.


2d29af No.524751

File: 0f25e107b20aa89⋯.png (169.44 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, WhatIsAgape.png)

>>524339

>to love someone is to voluntarily and appropriately take on suffering in their place.

That's a manifestation of love but not love in itself. To begin with, love is evidently defined in Scripture. According to the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

>Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Now first we must begin with the broader context. In chapter/segment 13 of the first epistle to the Corinthians, the apostle (alongside uniquely divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who is God) follows up on the subject of "gifts" from the previous chapter.

The Corinthians had a cluster of haughty men who were lording over their brethren certain spiritual gifts which God had supposedly given to them, namely the gift of tongues. "Tongues" is not remotely an "angelic language" since the same apostle (by the same Spirit) wrote that, though there are indeed words unique to Paradise/Heaven, they are inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Corinthians 12:4). While the gift of tongues is hotly debated even today it is mostly regarded as a unique divine gift which makes the speaker capable of speaking just as the apostles did during the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon them at Pentacost. If you want to know what "tongues" is, then see Acts 2.

Anyway, these "spirituals" men were playing up their gift over their brethren and growing prideful. They were also perhaps a spark to ignite great commotion over the value of one gift over another, hence why the apostle is moved to write to them not only on the matter of tongues but on the equal value of all spiritual gifts, and, in turn, the equal value of all believers (1 Cor. 12).

Having established this, the apostle then writes that of all spiritual gifts (everything ranging from prophesy to teaching to ministry, etc. any talent God has given you for His glory) the greatest gift is love.

From here the apostle corrects the church of Corinth by explaining that, should he exercise any spiritual gift - even tongues and prophesy - it is utterly empty and fruitless without love. That is when we reach verse 4 and onward, where the apostle describes all the attributes of love in the highest sense.


2d29af No.524753

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>>524339

>>524751

>Love suffers long and is kind;

– "Suffers long" can also be written "longsuffering": enduring injury, trouble, or provocation long and patiently.

When we are called to be longsuffering, we are called to patiently endure for Christ's sake any and all attacks of evil which we are called to endure for His glory. Martyrs for Christ are the perfect example of this. This is the kind of "meekness" which Christ speaks of in the Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-12). "Meek" is not a calling to just lay down and let evil men rape you. "Meek" is when you are suffering because you are already overpowered or persecuted and, while suffering, you suffer without despair or consuming rancor.

In short, "Meek" in the Christian context is to acknowledge your weakness and uphold God's sovereign and perfect name in your heart; the reason you can turn the other cheek/the reason we do not act in revenge is because we trust so much in Christ that He will revenge us, heal us, justify us - that is why we can suffer meekly, because we trust in who God is and all His promises

– "is kind" is what is says on the tin: love is kind (of a good or benevolent nature or disposition, as a person)

>love does not envy;

Love is not covetous of things it does not have and which do not belong to it. We are covetous of God as He is so covetous of us, yet that is because we belong to Him and, by His grace and love, He in Christ has given Himself to us as our greatest treasure.

>love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;

Ego, pride and pomp do not factor into love.

>does not behave rudely, does not seek its own,

Love is not selfish or nasty

>is not provoked, thinks no evil;

Love cannot be provoked to wickedness (see: suffers long) nor does it think/meditate on evil

>does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

Love does not enjoy evil (see above) but cherishes truth (as opposed to deceit). Because the apostle wrote "the" truth it's likely he's referring not only to truth itself but to God's truth, ie the Gospel

>bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Bear and endure can mean the same thing (see: suffers long) but I believe the apostle is not repeating himself. It is clear here that he is now segueing from the nature of love in the Christian context to the nature of love in direct relation to the Gospel, hence "believes" and "hopes" all things - the "all things" being "all things [of God]".

>And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

- 1 Cor. 13:13

"Love" then is a spiritual gift from God. This love is greater than any other form of love, for it is directly from and tied to God/Christ. In essence, pure love devoid of sin is a reflection of God's heart. This is why, in vv.11-12, the apostle explains what is referred to elsewhere as "sanctification", the aspect of faith wherein we grow more and more into the likeness of Christ.

>v.12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

So, in conclusion, the highest form of love is a purehearted spiritual gift (all love, all good, is a gift of God, but this love of which Paul speaks here is greater than even the love of friends or family).

Love is a spiritual gift, the greatest gift of all, and it is, in both its nature and practice, a reflection of God. The more love we bear with purity, the more we show our growth into the likeness of Christ.

That is love, a reflection of God:

>And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

- 1 John 4:16

—-That being said, please test everything I say against Scripture for yourself. God leads us to understand intimately the true nature of His resplendent heart when we pray for Him to reveal Himself and His truth to us through His holy scriptures.


2d29af No.525415

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>>524729

This video immediately brought to mind the comparison between how female captives were commanded by God to be treated in the OT and what Muhammad tells Muslims in the ahadith:

"When you go out to battle against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take them away captive, and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and have a desire for her and would take her as a wife for yourself, then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. She shall also remove the clothes of her captivity and shall remain in your house, and mourn her father and mother a full month; and after that you may go in to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. It shall be, if you are not pleased with her, then you shall let her go wherever she wishes; but you shall certainly not sell her for money, you shall not mistreat her, because you have humbled her."

- Deuteronomy 10-14

vs

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war) . . .

- Surah 4:24

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him):

O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

- Sahih Muslim 8:3371


2d29af No.525418

File: 03339bf9eaff58d⋯.webm (11.94 MB, 300x300, 1:1, ..Christianity_Crusade_Ca….webm)

>>525415

God says in Scripture that His people are to practice righteousness. He says that sexual relations are ONLY in marriage, even with the captives of pagan lands. The woman who has caught the victor's eye must be shaven and trimmed (to give her a physical detachment from the old pagan life she once had) and she is to put off her garments of captivity (because she is no longer a captive, but being introduced to the land as a wife and thus become one with the people).

>SHE MUST BE GIVEN A MANDATORY MONTH OF MOURNING before any relations are had

>SHE MUST BE YOUR WIFE AND YOU HER HUSBAND

And if she displeases you in any way (like in her behavior, maybe even not wanting to have sex?) then: SHE MUST BE RELEASED/FREED

>YOU CANNOT MISTREAT HER (rape is mistreatment)

>YOU CANNOT RANSOM/SELL HER OFF

That's the Bible. What about the Qu'ran and the hadith?

>SEX WITH CAPTIVE SLAVES IS OK

>SEX WITH CAPTIVE SLAVES WHILE YOU ARE MARRIED TO SOMEONE ELSE IS OK (adultery)

>DO NOT PULL OUT, LET THEM GET PREGNANT IF THEY GET PREGNANT

>SELL THEM OFF IF YOU LIKE (after raping them)


2d29af No.525455

File: 8ed1a08d9599f5a⋯.png (3.53 MB, 2572x2116, 643:529, ..Slavery in Hadith_Sahih ….png)

File: 06d35d15df3896f⋯.png (1.65 MB, 1032x2722, 516:1361, ..Soviets_Islam.png)

Here's some things I have been looking into. Tell me what you think.

Some will say that this barbaric, swine evils are simply endemic to race or culture. Religion supersedes all things, hence why the culture of Christianity can exist no matter the region or time period - because the Gospel and the Scriptures are essentially timeless–

And as timeless as the Gospel, so, too, is the timelessness of this particular evil, or what I refer to as "Satan's Signature of Sinful Conquest" (or just "Satan's Signature" for short). Let me explain with simple examples:

Picture 1 is a list of citations (of Muhammad himself) in hadith which are most widely regarded among Muslims as "strong/reliable/true" (differing sects not withstanding), notably Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al-Bukhari. These are religious texts written by religious men. This is not even getting into the writings of Wahhab or what have you. These are simply the ahadith, written by Muslim Arabs.

Picture 2 is a citation from "KILL", one of the most heralded and potent pieces of Soviet propaganda for its day. It was written by the Bolshevik Russian Jew Ilya Grigoryevich Ehrenburg, who, being Bolshevik, you can obviously tell was not religious at all.

In Pic2 we also compare Ehrenberg's "KILL" writing to the Quran itself, not even the ahadith, with a very particular verse.

It is said that "KILL" was the truest driving polemic of the Soviet soldiers (and no, nu/pol/ you can't just blame Bolshevik Jews since the vast majority of Soviets soldiers were - you guessed it - Gentile Russians). The driving agenda, the focal force of the Soviet army was abject hatred of the Germans (and all those who did not belong to the Party, of course) and upon such they would unleash all torture and murder, particularly with rampant mass humiliation and bloody rape.

It's said over 2 Million German women and children were gangraped by the Soviets, the largest mass rape in modern history (don't forget the Rape of Nanking, though).

What about Islam? Islam's own religious texts reflect powerfully similar concepts regarding unbelievers and what to do with their women. The hadith regarding slavery, the verses regarding jihad and the nature of the unbeliever being "the worst of creature". Then we hear about the behavior of Jihadists and the behavior of mid-period Turk Saracens etc. We see a direct, distinct parallel between the swelling enjoyment of humiliation, torture and particularly rape among both.

It is the same exact behavior shared between Stalin's men and supposedly Muhammad's successors - not to mention those things which Muhammad himself enacted and encouraged. Strange, is it not? That the same driving polemic, rape, war booty, murder is so similar between these two?

It's not unique, actually. This driving focus of mass rape, subjugation and genocide is actually simply the nature of Satan's Signature, sinful conquest. We see it also in the Khans and other pagan forces. We see it in any professing Christian force which is actually not of Christ at all. My point is not that it's peculiar in itself that Soviet Jews wrote akin to ancient Muslim Arabs. My point is that this kind of behavior is a mark of Satan, it is abject sin unleashed, unrestrained.

So how can any religion (and Islam is not the only one but it's the focus of these threads) profess to be holy and of God when it carries instead the very signature of the dragon?

If Islam is the truth of God written, why does any of its religious texts reflect Satan's penmanship?


ad529a No.525778

>>499575

>healthy, amicable discussion

>with blasphemous savages who worship a mass-murdering child-rapist

YOU ARE NO DISCIPLE OF CHRIST


ad529a No.525783

>>515617

>There are many great Christians that are black

WHO GIVES A SHIT? That's akin to saying "there are a great many Christians that are tigers".

Also, note your own use of the declarative "that" instead of the nominative "who" - even you yourself understand on a primal level that niggers are subhuman beings. It is revealed in the very grammar of your absolutely fucking shitty apologia -

(Colossians 3:10-11)

cf6428 No.525808

Watch this vid guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NUzoLbqJno

I'm a christian but I have to say I thought that the muslim absoluytely btfo'ed the christian apologist here. Hans't really taken my faith but has made me want to study more.

>but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

1 Peter 3:15


cd4c3c No.525867

>>517455

non-denominational


cd4c3c No.525874

>>525778

Are you too holy to speak with sinners and blasphemers? You would accuse Christ Himself of keeping company with sinners and tax collectors.

You are standing on very thin ice, friend.


2d29af No.525887

File: 0c0e81c66afec36⋯.webm (11.51 MB, 550x321, 550:321, Crucified Jesus_Extrabibl….webm)

>>525808

The reality of the crucifixion is as historically undeniable as the fact of Jesus's existence.

Webm related

That said, this is a very interesting addition. Thanks!


2d29af No.525888

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>>525874

He's no friend. Judging from his fruit, he's a nu/pol/ racialist fool.

>>525808

Also here, mate. Post the Tube link into the "embed" section of the Quick Reply box next time you post. No worries


c358ea No.525896

>>525888

James White gets BTFO'd in debates by anyone who isn't either a Unitarian or an Atheist (basically low-hanging fruit). He's written many books on presuppositional apologetics and the Trinity yet he can't even defend the latter against Muslim laymens.


2d29af No.525909

File: 9edffd6b09d020d⋯.webm (8.19 MB, 300x167, 300:167, .Jihad and Qadhi_Spencer ….webm)

>>525896

He does excellent work in debating Muslims, however he's also taken up a very faulty view which certain Muslim apologists promote. Webms related


4ee4ad No.525936

>>525896

In my experience James usually blows the hell out a Muslim apologists on like a point or two that the Muslim won't concede, but then doesn't do that good of a job showing to everybody how relevant that point is to the rest of the debate. I remember something like this happening in one debate where James showed that there were pre-existing prayers at the time of Paul which he used in his epistle(s) and in these prayers deity was ascribed to Christ as they were variations on Old Testament prayers and had certain implications, but then the Muslim debater kept saying they were supposed to be talking about people before Paul, not seemingly grasping that the point of James talking about Paul was to show that Paul was relying on a pre-existing tradition


c3b7a4 No.525940

>>508230

The earliest reports on Islam by Byzantine churchmen lumped it in with all the other heresies.

https://stpeterslist.com/islam-as-a-christian-heresy-8-quotes-from-st-john-damascene-a-d-749


4ee4ad No.525946

>>525940

To be clear they used a very wide sense of the word heresy. For instance in John of Damascus' On Heresies he has four archetypal heresies which are Barbarism, Scythism, Hellenism, and Judaism, out of thse he says the rest come. Barbarism he defines as that which prevailed from Adam to Noah, a time well before Christ obviously. Scyhism he defines as having prevailed from Noah to the the great flood, also before Christ, and as in the last case also before even Abraham. Hellenism he defines as having arisen around the time of Abraham's grandfather, and seemingly not as having arisen with the Greeks, opposed to what you might think from the name. Judaism he says arises with Abraham and circumcision, and obviously this one is more of a heresy after a point in time, that is after the new covenant. some others that come from these heresies are The Pythagoreans, The Platonists, The Stoics, The Epicurians, and many others. When he speaks of heresies he isn't necessarily talking about things that are distinctly Christian, but obviously Islam is more similar to a Christian heresy than those above as they share as characters Jesus, Mary, and some others, although they ascribe things to them falsely


2d29af No.525960

>>525946

>John of Damascus' On Heresies he has four archetypal heresies which are Barbarism, Scythism, Hellenism, and Judaism

>Barbarism he defines as that which prevailed from Adam to Noah, a time well before Christ obviously.

>Scyhism he defines as having prevailed from Noah to the the great flood, also before Christ, and as in the last case also before even Abraham.

>Hellenism he defines as having arisen around the time of Abraham's grandfather, and seemingly not as having arisen with the Greeks, opposed to what you might think from the name.

>Judaism he says arises with Abraham and circumcision, and obviously this one is more of a heresy after a point in time, that is after the new covenant.

That's incredibly interesting! I wouldn't take up that view but I suppose I can see the logic in the classifications.

And I have heard that Islam was first considered a Christian heresy, like we today consider Mormonism, Watchtower or even something like Jonestown. Then it grew into its own thing, bloating itself with greater amalgamations of Arabic cultures and mythological and apocryphal influences.

>Islam is more similar to a Christian heresy than those above as they share as characters Jesus, Mary, and some others, although they ascribe things to them falsely

Don't forget Abraham, Job, and so on. Remember, according to Muhammad, Allah told Job to beat his wife with a reed.

Funny how the Holy Scriptures, which Islam claims in the Qur'an to follow, never mentioned that.


4ee4ad No.525970

>>525960

He takes the archetypes from Colossians 3:11

I think it all just depends on how you use the word heresy, an I'm hesitant to nail the word down as I think it can be more useful when you don't try to give it one and only one definition. While there is a connection of sorts to Islam it's not as comparable as the ones you mentioned. The Islamic story is at least roughly that Muhhamad was a legit dude who just prayed to Allah and that one day the recitations started coming and so on with the rest of the story. While he might have known Christians, and it is often claimed that he both knew Christians and was respected by them as a person even if they differed on religious matters, he was not a Christian himself at any time. On the contrary Joseph Smith was a Christian before his first vision, though depending on which version of the first vision details change, Charles Taze Russel was also part of multiple Christian denominations before his forming the watch tower, and I honestly don't know much about Jones.

As for the other shared Biblical caracters, I was more talking about what makes the Muslims closer to us than the Jews, as personally in my day to day speach I speak of both Judaism and Islam as different religions, but there's a sense in which Islam is closer to a heresy than modern Judaism, which if I'm not in easily triggered company I would rather call Talmudism


2d29af No.526167

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I'm sorry to say anons, but this is both horrible and joyous news. Horrible news because our brother is gone, a man greatly blessed and strong in the Lord who fought on the front-lines for the sake of bringing men out of the false doctrine of Islam and into the grace of Christ which he intimately knew. Joyous because his pain is ended, his grief is over, and he is now experiencing that which we all long to experience in person - God Himself, to be present before the very Lord our God and to be held in the arms of our beloved Savior King Jesus Christ.

NABEEL QURESHI HAS PASSED AWAY


2d29af No.526168

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Embedded is a video from his closest companion, our brother David Wood.

Linked here is a video from Nabeel's brother, who is also our brother in the faith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O4wju9o01U

Here is a video from our brother 1mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n7F3ATkBEI

Here is a video from our brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_pDK6MIYn0

If anyone knows how we can contact Nabeel's wife (who now is a widow with their young daughter) then please feel free to post it so we can send our condolences to her. If there is any way to donate to her then please post that, too, so those of us who wish to give can do so.

May God bless us all with the grace, peace and strength which He so benevolently blessed to our brother even in his final hour.

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969c81 No.526258

File: eacc4899c9bc248⋯.jpg (10.91 KB, 253x199, 253:199, eacc4899c9bc248ebfbfe0e408….jpg)

>>526168

> they're baptists


2d29af No.527919

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b227cf No.528150

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2d29af No.528420

File: 1bd6c81429a0623⋯.png (323.74 KB, 808x472, 101:59, AI go home.png)

>>528150

>Or did he died by poison?

>or did he died

>did he died

Anon…

Nevermind. I'll give it a watch.


2d29af No.528427

File: b2fcabb07ebb0a1⋯.jpg (84.62 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1.jpg)

File: 8125d494133161f⋯.jpg (27.34 KB, 500x849, 500:849, Tobasco Sauce.jpg)

File: 6f3049e5175e05d⋯.jpg (99.82 KB, 460x315, 92:63, argh.jpg)

>the God

>did he died

>bigot anti-Islamist

Oh boy, this is gonna be a treat already.

>"Aorta" doesn't mean "aorta" becuase the root word is different than the other one so "aorta" actually means "suffocation"

Except it's translated as "aorta" for a reason.

Also, the argument then is "Muhammad didn't die by the poison, he also didn't say that his aorta was cut by the poison. He only said his breath was cut by the poison."

Okay, but that's not much of an argument since you cannot get around the fact that, yes, Muhammad himself said the poison was killing him. Whether it FELT LIKE his aorta was cut or it was actually suffocating him makes little difference. The core of the passage states that the poison of the Jewess had indeed lasted a long time in his system and was indeed killing him in the end.

The Jewess said that if he was a prophet then the poison would not kill him. Muhammad only recognized the food as poisoned AFTER he'd already taken of it.

Allah did not protect Muhammad from the female Jew's poison.

Alla did not protect Muhammad from the poison, which the Jew said was a test of his prophethood.

Try to retranslate the hadith all you like, but ultimately you cannot escape from this, hence Wood's argument:

If Nabeel dying of cancer shows that Allah bore judgement on him, then how does Muhammad failing the test of a prophet and succumbing to slow poison not also show Allah's judgement on him?

or

If Nabeel's cancer shows Allah's judgment, then why not Muhamman's poisoning? Why would Allah allow Muhammad to be poisoned (by a woman Jew) and suffer so horribly and for so long if Allah loved him so?

Nabeel may have died what many would consider a miserable death, but the humiliation and extended anguish of Muhammad far outstrips it.

Why is one judgement and the other…never really discussed by Muslims?


83c0fe No.528466

>>528427

>The Jewess said that if he was a prophet then the poison would not kill him.

Christians have an abounding fascination with what jews say. They use the claims of some Jews as proof Jesus was God and now rely on the claim of some random jewish arab woman to be truthful. Are they synagogue of satan from the father of lies or are they truth personified?

>Alla did not protect Muhammad from the poison, which the Jew said was a test of his prophethood.

>the jew said

>the jew said

OMIGOD the Jew said Jesus blasphemed! And well even though Jesus refutes him that Jew said it was blasphemy therefore Jesus is either a blasphemer or god.

Yep, I'm beginning to see a pattern with judeochristians.

>Try to retranslate the hadith all you like, but ultimately you cannot escape from this, hence Wood's argument:

Wood's argument was that the manner of death implies Muhammad tampered with Quran. That has been debunked.

The other part of Wood's "argument" is "your prophet was in some pain, haha." The cherrypicking dissonance of this coming from someone who thinks God was flayed and nailed is quite rich.

>If Nabeel dying of cancer shows that Allah bore judgement on him, then how does Muhammad failing the test of a prophet and succumbing to slow poison not also show Allah's judgement on him?

>the test of a prophet

>the test of a prophet

Whenever a Jew flaps their gums you think it's divine writ. You need to recognize this spiritual depravity on your part or just drop it, jewolator. Also, the prophet lived for three years after this, despite being weakened by it. And our religion was completed before his death. 5:3 was revealed This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. and the farewell pilgrimage and sermon were made years after the survived assassination attempt.

Saying that the poison got him after three years of vitalty was figurative language. And having breath or artery cut is idiom for any kind of death.

>If Nabeel's cancer shows Allah's judgment, then why not Muhamman's poisoning?

Nabeel's death didn't happen in a vacuum. Nabeel and David maintained answering-islam which to this day has a long article calling Ahmed Deedat's death a divine curse. Nabeel also mocked the death of Martin Hengel. Your ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) rubbed a lot of people the wrong way by gloating over senior citizen deaths as curses, then he drops dead at what, 34? I won't call that a curse from God, but I will call it poetic justice.

To non-christians paying attention it looks like Wood not only manipulated nabeel in life but has capitalized on his death. He's still a diagnosed psychopath after-all. I'm worried for his father's life, Wood's christolatry is the only thing keeping the father alivr.

>Why would Allah allow Muhammad to be poisoned (by a woman Jew) and suffer so horribly and for so long if Allah loved him so?

Says the person who thinks God had a kid and then had him murdered. Anyway, this is the WHY DOES A GOOD GOD LET BAD THINGS HAPPEN? - atheist argument.

>Nabeel may have died what many would consider a miserable death, but the humiliation and extended anguish of Muhammad far outstrips it.

I disagree but that's neither here nor there. Everyone dies, we accept God's plan. Death is death. No matter how Muhammad died it would be mocked by missionaries. Personally I prayed for Nabeel and wish his family well, but I was dismayed by his mockery of other's deaths.

>Why is one judgement and the other…never really discussed by Muslims?

You've turned a survived assasination attempt into a negative thing.


2d29af No.528503

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>>528466

>Christians have an abounding fascination with what jews say.

In the Islamic sources written by Muslims who worship Allah and follow Muhammad as their prophet of God, we have the woman who poisoned Muhammad openly stating the reason she poisoned Muhammad'.

There's a reason what she said matters and it's not because she's a Jew - it's because she poisoned Muhammad.

>They use the claims of some Jews as proof Jesus was God

…Are you talking about the Apostles? Pretty sure Islam speaks well of them, though - unless you think they were Arabs somehow.

>Are they synagogue of satan from the father of lies or are they truth personified?

We've been over this: ALL who are Anti-Christ are of the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Christ in Revelation 2:9, 3:9 because the foremost and first persecutors of the followers of Christ were anti-Christ Jews.

Of course, the very first followers of Jesus were Jews also, a fact which the S.o.S tries to keep hidden from Jews today.

The first followers of Christ were Jews.

The first murderers of those followers were Jews.

Those who follow Christ in Gospel truth are of the Father (having repented of their sins and believed on Jesus Christ as Savior, God).

Those who reject/attack Christ and His Gospel are of their father the Devil.

One belongs to the Kingdom of Heaven.

The other belongs to damnation and will meet that fate if they do not repent and believe in Gospel truth.

The Lord is near to all those who call upon Him, to all those who call upon Him in truth. - Psalm 145:18

The Lord is near to all those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite [repentant] spirit. - Pslam 34:18

For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted, but the sorrow of the world produces death. - 2 Cor. 7:10

>Wood's argument was that the manner of death implies Muhammad tampered with Quran.

No, his argument outright says that Muhammad died feeling the pain of the death he said he would if he was a false prophet.

Speaking of the Qur'an >>499575

>Whenever a Jew flaps their gums you think it's divine writ.

Whenever a Muslim (in this case, Muhammad himself) says all women (including Muslim women, like your mother and sister and girlfriend, etc.) are mentally deficient you think it's divine writ: https://sunnah.com/muslim/1/147

also

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826

Sad thing is, only one of us is speaking the truth, and considering I cited from your own sources, well…


2d29af No.528510

>>528466

Also, I need to see sources on Wood and Qureshi mocking those men you mentioned, but just to be clear on a few things…

>Ahmed Deedat

>In 2004 Mazrui delivered a lecture at the International Center for the Propagation of Islam, whose founder and director, Ahmed Deedat, received funding directly from Osama bin Laden’s family and boasted about having personally met the al Qaeda leader on several occasions.

h

>Martin Hengel

Perhaps it's to my shame, but I know nothing about this man. According to the disgusting picture of his book "Crucifixion" I would say he's not the best guy, but according to his book's bio:

>His conclusions bring out more starkly than ever the scandal presented by the Christian message of the crucified Son of God and show that Jesus was seen to have died, not just a cruel death, but one of the worst forms of death devised by man for man. Martin Hengel was Professor of New Testament and Early Judaism in the University of Tubingen."

So I don't know. Looking into some interviews with him on the historicity of the Gospels.


2d29af No.528511

>>528510

Forgot to post archive link to Deedat bit https://archive.is/4hGZQ


83c0fe No.528520

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>There's a reason what she said matters and it's not because she's a Jew - it's because she poisoned Muhammad.

A sentence was recorded for posterity. Your post contained a subtext of magical thinking, seeking to lead the imagination down a path that puts weight in her words.

>Are you talking about the Apostles?

No, the high priest who accuses Jesus of blasphemy and any other time disbelieving Jews said Jesus was making himself God. Everytime this happens Jesus refutes them. And more often then not they are first called liars, then make the claim, then jesus refutes them. Yet their claim is cherrypicked into a false choice by christians into: blasphemer or God?

>Muh feminism muh PC

Don't care, I'm here due to Nabeel's death. I do know in Timothy it's said that christian women can get into heaven by popping out babies, they can't have any authority or teach men, elsewhere it's said they can't talk and must remain silent. Guess what, I don't have any problem with those teachings - good for you. My problem has more to do with the fact that Timothy is a forgery. Heck, you'd have a Third Corinthians if the plagiarist wasn't caught in the act.

>The first followers of Christ were Jews.

He only came for the lost sheep of bani Israil. Jesus would have called you a dog.

>No, his argument outright says that Muhammad died feeling the pain of the death he said he would if he was a false prophet.

Living life without context is really bliss isn't it? The context is that if Muhammad claimed a revelation that was false he'd be instantly struck dead. Instead we see an assassination attempt survived via miracle then an additional three years ie the total length of Jesus' preaching - before his death.

Now, anyway:

Is Beth really going to be Jay Smith's replacement in SR? I guess Lizzie will stay since she's local, but what about Hatun?

And what do you think of Jay Smith's argument in vid related?

Have a nice day.


83c0fe No.528522

>>528520

SR = SC


83c0fe No.528524

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>>528510

Quote in pic related from debate with Shabir Ally, on youtube.

[Partial] screenshot from answering-islam article.

And also see Seeking Allah Finding Jesus where Qureshi subtly suggests the plausibility of a curse on Deedat and definitely asserts it is a widely held belief by christians.


83c0fe No.528579

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>528524

It was Allah or Jesus, not Seeking.


2d29af No.528716

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>528579

No, the MuslimAnon is referring to Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus, the testimony account of Nabeel coming to salvation in Christ and leaving Islam. The audio book is in the MEGA link in the OP.

>>528524

I have to give this more attention, obviously, since it's late for me now, but I will admit that the snide remark by Qureshi does indeed sound rather cruel considering he's speaking about the fate of an apparent unitarian (which, since they do not have the Gospel, go to Hell ultimately).

On the one hand, if he was a Unitarian then he was a false teacher and was accursed according to Scripture (since he died unrepentant). It's not out of place.

On the other hand, such a remark takes lightly the nature of the doom destined for those who do not repent from spreading a false gospel (ex. "Jesus is not God" or "the Father died on the cross because the Father, Son and Spirit are one person, not one being comprised of three divine persons"). I do not agree that it should be said easily in any regard, though all of us falter in this.

I would like to see the context of the Hengel remark.

As for Deedat, I need to actually read what's said. I also would like a citation of where Qureshi said that Deedat's being cursed was something widely held by Christians.

Do note, though, that Deedat was seemingly not the herald of virtue you may have believed him to be, as I cited here >>528511

>>528520

>Your post contained a subtext of magical thinking

HAhaha Using psychoanalyst terminology, especially such a thing as "magical thinking", a clear psychological sign of schizophrenia if I recall, in a discussion regarding historical sources and theology is silly.

>puts weight in her words.

The words of a murderer carry weight so long as they pertain to the motivation of the murder. She was a murderer, and her words directly express her motivation for murder.

>Jesus of blasphemy and any other time disbelieving Jews said Jesus was making himself God. Everytime this happens Jesus refutes them.

Actually He outright said the Scriptures were speaking about Him:

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. - John 5:39

Jesus refuted their corruption and hypocrisy, yes, but He never said they were lying when they said He was saying He was God. The only time that can come into the mix is when people misread the citation of "You are gods". Jesus quotes from the Psalms not to refute them saying "YOU SAY YOU GOD YOU DIE NOW" but to rebuke them, because the psalm He quotes is a Psalm almost exclusively about the condemnation and judgment on the corrupt rulers of the people who pridefully play at being "gods" in their authority (Psalm 82) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+82&version=NKJV

>Yet their claim is cherrypicked into a false choice by christians into: blasphemer or God?

I do not know of any follower of Christ who takes the testimonies of the Pharisees as evidences in themselves of Christ's divinity. They kept saying He was a liar and worker of false miracles through demonic powers. Why would we listen to them?

>Muh feminism muh PC

Interesting that you think your prophet calling all women, including Muslim women, including your own family, "mentally deficient, failing at religion" etc. is not something to glance at twice.

I guess your mindset is "Well, if Muhammad said it then it must be so, so whatever"

>Don't care, I'm here due to Nabeel's death.

Come for the death. Stay for the theology. Stick around, we have a lot to discuss.

>I do know in Timothy it's said that christian women can get into heaven by popping out babies

HAhaha That's Mormonism, mate. That's not Christianity. Vid related.

>My problem has more to do with the fact that Timothy is a forgery.

>you'd have a Third Corinthians if the plagiarist wasn't caught in the act.

These are astonishing claims. Can you show us any evidence to support this whatsoever? Also, which Timothy? You should know there's two epistles to Timothy.

>The context is that if Muhammad claimed a revelation that was false he'd be instantly struck dead.

And it's interesting that the pain with which he died reflected the death he claimed he would die.

>Instead we see an assassination attempt survived via miracle

Which the supposed prophet Muhammad was not rescued from nor was he given revelation to stop him from eating poison. Previous prophets were murdered, too, but I can't think of any that failed a test of prophethood (not to mention the whole Satanic Verses thing).

>then an additional three years ie the total length of Jesus' preaching

What does one have to do with the other?

>And what do you think of Jay Smith's argument in vid related?

I intend to watch it tomorrow. It's late for now.


b7f2dd No.528765

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>>528716

>i do not know of any follower of christ who takes the pharisees words….

Memory loss? You do.

>Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

https://archive.is/CgiJZ


b7f2dd No.528770

>>528716

>HAhaha That's Mormonism, mate. That's not Christianity.

No, it's christianity.

1 Tim 2:15. Popping out kids saves christian women.


b7f2dd No.528777

>>528716

>These are astonishing claims. Can you show us any evidence to support this whatsoever?

All christian scholars know both Timothys are fakes. Tertullian wrote about how a scribe was caught red-handed writing "The Acts of Paul" and then there was a somewhat successful forgery known as 3 Corinthians that is in some orthodox church bibles today. Western churches knew it was a forgery but the eastern churches gobbled it up.


191561 No.528795

>>528777

To be fair, most of the Pauline Epistles are fraudulent; only six are recognised as legitimate, and of those six some are still disputed by scholars and theologians


5bd0dc No.528797

>>528777

>All christian scholars know both Timothys are fakes

Firstly, Liberals who call themselves Christian are not Christians. Secondly, the reason why modern scholarship banishes these epistles from the Pauline corpus is because they contradict popular theories of the development of Christian doctrine and practice. It is not a theory based on evidence, it is an interpretation of evidence based on theory.

>Tertullian wrote about how a scribe was caught red-handed writing "The Acts of Paul" and then there was a somewhat successful forgery known as 3 Corinthians

What does this have to do with anything? There was also a fraudulent Epistle to the Laodiceans that was popular in medieval England, so what?

>>528795

See above. I'd like to remind both of you that the method employed in attacking the authenticity books of the New Testament would result in the rejection of all of the hadith and most of the quran as actually coming from Muhammad.


5bd0dc No.528799

>>528797

>authenticity books

authenticity of*


cab8d7 No.528913

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>528797

This is not about liberals vs conservatives. There are conservative textual scholars that reach same conclusions. It's about people who still believe in the inerrancy of a debunked book. We know the bible is debunked and we know christians are focusing now like crabs in a bucket to debunk Quran. We're ready.

You believe pericope adulterae and johannine comma are original text. You're not conservative, just willfully blind.

>I'd like to remind both of you that the method employed in attacking the authenticity books of the New Testament would result in the rejection of all of the hadith and most of the quran as actually coming from Muhammad.

Nah.

Bart Ehrman himself is stunned by the preservation of the Quran.

https://ehrmanblog.org/the-significance-of-an-astounding-new-discovery/

Many parts of the NT you don't even know the original language of the text. There is no chain of narration or even explanation for how you wind up with an academic-elite koine manuscript from the testimony of an illiterate aramaic speaking fisherman…

We are the religion of the chains of narration and memorization. And while I personally don't think textual criticism is necessary to disprove trinism since your SCRIPTURE is overwhelmingly unitarian and a small fraction is binitarian - I don't fear it either.

Funny that you repeatedly floated Jay "Toilet" Smith's 26 Quran claim and now you want to blow the whistle on textual criticism. Equal scales, christian friend.


95fe11 No.528975

>>528913

>he does not believe his own Hadiths that says black on white that there were many different Qurans and that like half of it was lost anyway

>he think that his argument can give but laugh to majority of christians, who blive that Bible came from God throgh Church and not vice versa

Cute really


705c48 No.528986

>>528975

Sauce for your meme?

>bible came from church, not vice versa

Yeah, I think this is why it's hard to find catholics to debate muslims. Catholics start from the premise of the church.. but they base the legitimacy of the church on scripture (this rock) but then they base the legitimacy of the scripture on the church. It's super circular. I can see why they just make beer and chant all day instead of debate anyone.


5bd0dc No.528997

>>528913

>You believe pericope adulterae and johannine comma are original text

Why didn't I get the memo?

>Bart Ehrman himself is stunned by the preservation of the Quran

No, he isn't. He doesn't believe the quran is nearly as reliable as the New Testament. Your link is simply another rank attack on Christianity, in fact, therein he admits he is clueless about textual variation within the manuscript.

>Many parts of the NT you don't even know the original language of the text

Ok, I'll admit, I literally kek'd when I read this. Every single word of the New Testament is written either in Greek or Aramaic transliterated to Greek.

>There is no chain of narration

Good.

>explanation for how you wind up with an academic-elite koine manuscript from the testimony of an illiterate aramaic speaking fisherman…

1 Peter 5:12

>We are the religion of the chains of narration

Those chains are worthless

>memorization

The early history of quranic transmission demonstrates memorization is almost useless as a means of textual transmission.

>Funny that you repeatedly floated Jay "Toilet" Smith's 26 Quran claim and now you want to blow the whistle on textual criticism. Equal scales, christian friend.

I don't have nearly as much knowledge about the transmission of the quran as I do about the New Testament, so I don't know if we lost portions of the original quran, but what I do know is that the textual variety of the quran proves the orthodox Muslim understanding of preservation (that there was 100% consistency) is false. Since that is not the orthodox Christian perspective, the textual variety of the New Testament is not a problem, since we have all original readings.


95fe11 No.529005

>>528986

>Sauce for your meme?

Arabia, VII century, laughs for entire family

>Yeah, I think this is why it's hard to find catholics to debate muslims.

We are done it over and over when shit was hot. It ended with muslims being so butblusted that they started to genocide us (and not only u but schismatics also) and when they got the guy that wrote about them they choped off his hand (which through mircile grew back, and that's why you can see three-handed icons sometimes)

>Catholics start from the premise of the church.. but they base the legitimacy of the church on scripture (this rock) but then they base the legitimacy of the scripture on the church. It's super circular.

We only use this agumentation when we deal with autistics protestants who use idotic (and anti-biblical) stating point called sola scriptura.

When we get to show our true power leval we use tradition, history and logic and miracles alongside scriptural arguemnts.

Didache and Letters of St. Ignatius are alone enough of a proof to show legitimacy of Church and it's Bible. And don't get me started on notion that God cannot be possibly, by any means, unitarian.

>I can see why they just make beer and chant all day instead of debate anyone.

And still, converts are flooding us, while Islam growth is demographic. lmao


2092b0 No.529006

>>528997

>memo

Playing dumb, it's been brought to your attention before.

>kekd

Numerous "original greek" bible verses once translated into aramaic are complex puns or well known idioms.

We know Jesus and the disciples didn't speak Greek so where is the missing link between the testimony of the armaic disciples and the greek "originals"?

Those are just two of the arguments for the lost Aramaic original hypothesis.

>chains are worthless

Yet christians put a premium on "apostolic succession." Chains of narration are not worthless at all, especially when they are muttawatir which means there were corroborated testimonies with wholly independent chains.

>downplaying Ehrman's post

Ehrman is sincerely asking why christian scribes kept changing the Bible while muslim scribes didn't change Quran.

Anyway, your selective amnesia (re: johanne/pericope) is kicking in. Hopefully you won't gloat about the "curse" of Uncle Deedat anymore. And hopefully you won't use the high priest tearing his robe to prove Jesus' divinity anymore.

I invite anyone here to come to /islam/'s trini thread or the general room in our discord.

Have a nice day.


2092b0 No.529007

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>>529005

>muh hand

>muh converts

Even your pope JP2 was too scared to debate Ahmed Deedat. Even with the "holy spirit" ie God living inside him. Says it all really.


e773d9 No.529012

>>529007

>Vicar of Rome

>Holy See

>Political leader of a sovereign nation

>Religious leader of 2 billion people

<stooping to debate some trashy moron

I don't think you know how to Pope.


53b7a4 No.529034

File: 6f2c36ab7194566⋯.jpg (314.09 KB, 1000x1500, 2:3, Nayzak.full.1460343.jpg)

Hi everyone,

I invite everyone to join us at 4:30pm EST for a Live stream by Christian Prince (Arab Christian with degree in Sharia (Islamic) Law).

This is his channel that he does podcasts from.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOllN2W9yT4ZYaSgTkqzhhg

Feel free to come and ask questions about Islam. For all Muslims we would love for you to call in live on Skype and discuss Islam vs Christianity, the Science in the Quran, was Mohammed a true prophet, or any other topic about Islam vs Christianity.

Skype account: DebateTV

Christian Prince Livestreams every Wed, Fri and Sun at 4:30pm EST.


c56c9a No.529046

>>529012

Ok, my response to this cesaropaptist ultramontanist apparently hit a nerve and was deleted. I'm going back to /islam/ now. Adios.

I'm going ba


9087be No.529049

>>529007

>Even your pope JP2 was too scared to debate Ahmed Deedat.

Last time he got in close with Muslim on that place he was shot. Plus why would he be concerned with literal who

> Even with the "holy spirit" ie God living inside him.

Spirit of God is spirit of kindness and rape is not kind, even intelctual one.

>Says it all really.

That you dismiss any counter arguments i.e. that you are a faggot? Yes, it really does.


53b7a4 No.529252

Christian Prince is Live:

Islam vs Christianity debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6GIhyx4X5Q

Any muslims (or Christians) feel free to call on skype at: DebateTV

Any muslims with the courage and the knowledge, debate Christian Prince (Arab Christian with degree in Islamic Law)


fe375f No.529256

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

islam is a stupid religion is really too easy to debate

why don't you make a judaism vs christianity


53b7a4 No.529261

>>529256

well…. this is an islam vs christianity thread…


e773d9 No.529271

>>529256

Someone tried a Judaism v Christianity thread. Nobody took the bait.


2d29af No.529617

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>>529256

>why don't you make a judaism vs christianity

Anon, come on. This again?

https://archive.is/oiiQ6

https://archive.is/kkxfi

https://archive.is/6eWbe

https://archive.is/d8ykm

https://archive.fo/i66Ya

As it's been said before, we've been through it and tried. Only two Judaists came into the thread. We heard from a couple of Israeli Catholics about their testimonies in leaving Judaism (interestingly enough, Jews leaving Judaism rather reflects people leaving Islam and others leaving Hinduism - though Islam has the whole "death penalty" thing).

Ran for a few threads, learned a lot, and almost no one cared after that since most anons who talk "Jews" immediately either want to shill Anderson or more often just want to make Hitler and Merchant jokes.

We learned more than that piece of garbage documentary "Marching to Zion" ever detailed. We ventured into Kabbalah, learned about the blasphemies of the Zohar, watched debates and discussed how shrill the rabbis become - and how they can almost never go a whole debate without someone, either them or some Judaist from the crowd, bringing up the Jewish Holocaust even though it has nothing to do with anything.

We far and away surpassed what we expected and utterly trounced would-be investigators like Hackderson. God blessed us mightily to learn of the Talmud, the halacha, the two Messiah theory, the Sephirot, etc.

But Judaists never really wanted to discuss anything. One of them was very jittery and needed to be assured we weren't there to attack them while another just REEE'd and made accusations the whole time.

Our Israeli friends stopped posting. No idea if they are safe or alright.

As for why the threads stopped being made? No one cared

The vast majority of the anons even on this board are tainted by nu/pol/'s filth. They're South Park kids who think "Jew = Mocking Fun" and have repeated the Hitler did nothing wrong" meme so much they've brainwashed themselves to believe it. They talk about politics and Jews as if they know what they're saying (most of them don't even know who Ehrenberg was), just regurgitated nonsense from godless idiots on a stupid board. They don't care about ministering to Jews. They don't care about praying for Jews. Jews are a thing to either hate or mock.

The threads died out from lack of bloodflow and I blame complacency and ignorance.

So here we are, continuing the Islam Vs Christianity threads because people actually care about Muslims.

>inb4 popularity thread

No it's just difficult to have a discussion when 1) Followers of Judaism hide away from debate and discussion, unlike Muslims, and 2) nu/pol/ has skewed people's perception so hard they can't care less about Jews.

I'm screencapping this post and reposting it whenever someone brings this up. I'm tired of answering the same question repeatedly.


2d29af No.529631

File: 43953b3032d38e6⋯.webm (10.37 MB, 200x81, 200:81, Pericope Adulterae_ Jeff ….webm)

>>529034

I'm sorry I missed it, anon. Do you know if he will do it again?

CP (unfortunate acronym) seems like a good-intentioned fellow and one who is very well read. I would like to talk with him but that's probably never gonna happen. He's a busy guy.

>>528765

>that picture

>some anon citing from Varg

Gave me a chuckle. Ridiculous.

>quotes the Pharisees proclaiming Christ's words as blasphemy

>says Christians take the Pharisees' words as evidence of Christ's Gospe

What are you doing? If we took their words as evidence then then we'd say they are right. We look at how demons reacted because they were compelled by Christ's power and shaken by His presence. The Pharisees didn't proclaim Him Messiah and God but said the opposite. We do not take their words as evidence of the very thing they argued against.

And why did you link to the last archived thread?

>1 Tim 2:15. Popping out kids saves christian women.

I'm glad you took the time to watch the video I posted or even look up a commentary on BibleHub for a minute instead of just stupidly repeating yourself in willful ignorance of what's available to you. I'm glad you're better than that. /sarcasm

>>528777

>All christian scholars know both Timothys are fakes.

And all Islamic scholars know the Qur'an has contradictory variations in Arabic. :^)

No but seriously, good job making baseless accusations against the Timothy epistles and just running off into other subjects on forgeries. We provide evidences from your own sources for our arguments. You don't return the favor.

Also >>528797

>>528913

>You believe pericope adulterae and johannine comma are original text. You're not conservative,

We're more conservative than those who hold to the ever-shifting views of Scripture which Critical Text followers hold.

But fine,

OH GOOD! THIS AGAIN!

You know, if you read the archived thread your friend (or you) posted earlier you'd see we've been over this. Webm related

>Nah.

Good argument

>Bart Ehrman himself is stunned by the preservation of the Quran.

See >>511846 and >>499575

>Funny that you repeatedly floated Jay "Toilet" Smith's 26 Quran claim and now you want to blow the whistle on textual criticism. Equal scales, christian friend.

What are you talking about? Who are you talking to?


2d29af No.529639

File: 3b8f12eab567403⋯.jpg (11.37 KB, 300x228, 25:19, 1.jpg)

File: cc35c5eef2df058⋯.jpg (31.18 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 2.jpg)

>>529006

>Ehrman is sincerely asking why christian scribes kept changing the Bible while muslim scribes didn't change Quran.

>muslim scribes didn't change Quran.

You don't read your own sources, do you?

Sahih Al-Bukhari 6.61.509

Sahih al-Muslim 2286, Sahih Al-Bukhari 6.61.527

Oh, and don't forget

Sahih al-Bukhari 6.61.510

'Whole scripts are lost forever because they died with people, were eaten by a goat or were burned by Uthman's order.

Hence why Anon said >>528997

>The early history of quranic transmission demonstrates memorization is almost useless as a means of textual transmission.


2d29af No.530567

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This is unexpected. Nabeel Qureshi's wife made a video.

A More Glorious End


2d29af No.531040

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I think this might be the last video on Nabeel's passing. We need to focus on theology foremost, after all.

However, it's very important here to look at the Muslim response to Nabeel's death, in particular the stark contrast between Muslims who consider theodicy (the subject of "If God is good, then why do evil things happen?").

Take particular note of the Muslim who says,

"We Muslim using Nabeel's death as curse? My Aunty was the most devoted Muslim woman I have ever seen. She died of stomach cancer. My family and the Mullahs told us that when Allah loves someone too much he tests them by giving illness like cancer so that all their sins are wiped away and Allah can put them in paradise. So according to Islam even Allah loved Nabeel."

There's a lot that can be said here, but let's watch the video first to get a better grasp on things.

Feel the Love: Muslims Respond to the Death of Nabeel Qureshi


2d29af No.532198

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2d29af No.532546

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Robert Spencer vs. Richard Spencer: Counter-Jihad vs. White Supremacy

This was pretty funny


f49513 No.532649

File: b52df54856c76f7⋯.jpg (437.41 KB, 1000x1500, 2:3, 4ed9c2b51323eff1b5c7de6cb1….jpg)

Live Stream: Top Ten reasons to be in Love with Islam as a woman and man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4FnwKjMCo

Call in for Live Debates Islam vs Christianity.

Skype id: DebateTV


f49513 No.532663

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4FnwKjMCo

We have a muslim live on air! Live debate right now, tune in


f49513 No.532743

another muslim online, live debate.

arabic christian vs muslim!


2d29af No.533143

>>532649

>>532663

AGH I keep missing these! Come on!

Thanks for linking, though, anon


2d29af No.533688

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f49513 No.533716

File: 1b88fa6ad746fa1⋯.jpg (141.34 KB, 736x883, 736:883, a5b403a94619b8332cfcda81c0….jpg)

Live Debate Stream: Astonishing prophecies in the Quran if you understand maybe you would convert

Tune in and invite moslems/mohammedans. Call in on Skype at: DebateTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uxUOMJvedA


f49513 No.533779

we have a muslim online live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uxUOMJvedA


2d29af No.533783

>>533716

I finally made it for one of these!

But my youtube isn't working. I've had to use html5 player to get the vids working and it doesn't work for livestreams. DANGIT


f49513 No.533789

>>533779

There's a muslim on air now basically leaving islam on air now


f49513 No.533790

>>533783

try chrome bro, the stream is really good right now. there's a muslim who called in and who knows arabic and he's real close to leaving. he said it's possible mohammed is a false prophet…

tune in :D


224c2e No.533791

>>533779

Wow this is based


732160 No.533934

File: 342559059d92187⋯.jpg (53.36 KB, 783x960, 261:320, DLN5Qh_W0AAmLDa.jpg large.jpg)

islam is for mike and joe!


732160 No.533935

File: 0a4f7b8523ac1a7⋯.jpg (35.98 KB, 590x423, 590:423, DLNdk9NX0AARDFx.jpg large.jpg)

File: 549e37c77f29147⋯.jpg (53.05 KB, 900x670, 90:67, DLRHqL-V4AAvAga.jpg)


732160 No.533936

File: 7f4bdeab4281146⋯.jpg (36.09 KB, 600x380, 30:19, DLNrT6RWsAEUMVC.jpg large.jpg)


732160 No.533937

File: 861874f56a124e7⋯.jpg (67.66 KB, 800x737, 800:737, DLPVNe8WkAALAJT.jpg)


732160 No.533939

File: b7b5b3dc65ec540⋯.jpg (26.43 KB, 638x480, 319:240, DLKgxvmW0AAEISl.jpg large.jpg)

God have mercy on mohammedans


732160 No.533940

File: 27be9cd2c26e05e⋯.jpg (24.1 KB, 403x273, 31:21, DLKIiykWAAAKj9e.jpg large.jpg)

I guess if science figures out a way to make 1 year olds menstruate muslims will have sex with them


79d1b2 No.533945

I've kind of lost hope. People who take Islam seriously are just too far gone. What can you do? You can tell them all you want that the Jesus in the Bible is the most accurate representation of Jesus according to the many secular writtings of the time and there is literally no evidence for any Islamic version of Jesus, but they either ignore it or simply say "The Bible/Historic documents are fabrications/perverted over time".

I don't really see any hope for people who can simply say 1+1 doesn't equal 2 because they already think 1+1 equals 3


6fe69c No.533947

>>533935

> there are two kinds of Zionists: Protestant Zionists and Jewish Zonists.

Kek. Even a stopped clock.


f49513 No.534062

Live Stream: Debate Islam vs Christianity. Call in on Skype @ DebateTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4mFpn3kqk

"Unreliable Hadith vs Unreliable Quran vs Unreliable Prophet what isn't Unreliable in Islam left?"


2d29af No.535190

>>534062

Okay I updated my firefox so maybe now I can do livestreams with you anons. Keep us posted, guys!


f49513 No.535510

File: 80448289c4f1117⋯.jpg (401.89 KB, 1024x1425, 1024:1425, 149402b982f05b678fbd54c703….jpg)

Live Stream: Tune in to see the Prophet of the Muslims getting busted, and live debates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhBtAhazZbg

Call in on skype @ DebateTV


2d29af No.535522

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>>535510

Interesting! It's Christian Prince.

Also, check out what the Lord blessed in Time Square


40563b No.535561

File: 70d39952a4120a1⋯.png (184.83 KB, 1192x251, 1192:251, 8689.png)

LOL Muslims are still buttblasted about Ferdinand and Isabella


2732ca No.535672

>>535561

it must be so interesting to be a muslim in modern times, you're basically the zerg from starcraft.


2d29af No.536441

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>>535672

Hey now, don't do that. We're here to learn and minister to Muslims. Our aim is the deconstruction and elimination of Islam through wielding the sword of the Gospel, the only thing that's blessed by God to sever a sinner's soul from their sins.

That said, >>535561 is a hilarious post. I wonder if he also walks around terrified of Asians because of the savagery Genghis Khan and the Mongols wreaked on the Muslims of his day.

It's very interesting to learn of the brutal, horrific savagery and evil of the warring Muslims - only to then see what happened to them what another power was raised up against them. The kind of vicious brutality, the abject malice of Khan capturing the Muslim people of the kingdom which had foolishly slaughtered his envoy, reflects the kind of black-blood wickedness we see from the Saracens.

They took captive the weaker Muslims and used their fresh bodies to make a corpse bridge over the moat protecting the fleeing Muslim forces. They also used Muslim captives as human shields. When they had finished breaking through and taking the Muslims whole, they marched them into the desert and slaughtered them. As for the female captives, well the Muslim female captives held by Khan met the same fate that the captives under the Muslims had met. Everything is mirrored: the mass slaughter of thousands, if not nearly a million lives, the mass captives and rape, the barbarism and terror…

God raises up mighty men and empires as swords against other wicked empires, and when those men have fulfilled their purpose God slays them in turn for their wickedness.

>[…]Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations.

- Jeremiah 25:9 (27:6, 43:10)

It is part of God's insurmountable sovereignty, the very power in which we trust when wicked invaders come to pillage our home and we, having tried to defend those God blessed us with under our care (our wife, children, etc.), must suffer their evil righteously.

Hence why "meekness" in the Christian context is true strength because it is the ultimate measure of trust in God, that He will repay,

For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us…who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously - 1 Peter 2:21.23

Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon them. - Deuteronomy 32:35

Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. - Romans 12:19 (Hebrews 10:30)

Therefore,

>What shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? …Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

>"For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

>Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

- Romans 8:31,35-39

Vengeance comes most pure and most fierce from our Holy Father, whom we are reconciled and in fellowship with through our beloved and mighty King of Kings, Christ Jesus. Messiah truly is our Hero King and the only one to be feared and treasured above all.

The Lord is at Your right hand;

He shall execute kings in the day of His wrath.

He shall judge among the nations,

He shall fill the places with dead bodies,

He shall execute the heads of many countries.

He shall drink of the brook by the wayside;

Therefore He shall lift up the head. - Psalm 110:5-7

The word of the Lord came again to me, saying: "Son of man, when a land sins against Me by persistent unfaithfulness, I will stretch out My hand against it; I will cut off its supply of bread, send famine on it, and cut off man and beast from it.

"Or if I bring a sword on that land, and say, ‘Sword, go through the land,’ and I cut off man and beast from it, even though these three men were in it, as I live," says the Lord God, "they would deliver neither sons nor daughters, but only they themselves would be delivered."

- Ezekiel 14:12-13, 17-18


e773d9 No.536472

>>535561

>not realizing that /islam/ attracts LARPers, too

The /islam/ BO even put in the board rules that LARPers aren't welcome and would be forced over to /islamicstate/.


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40563b No.536503

File: 0b0e85bb4e1da83⋯.jpg (210.6 KB, 1399x944, 1399:944, fideles-confessed-messe-ce….jpg)

>>529007

Do you realize how stupid this sounds?

That's like assuming Umar was a caliph today and laughing because he would refuse to debate someone like David Wood.

>>536472

I've been to /islam/ and a lot of the posters are like this, even though there's only like 5 active ones.


2d29af No.537037

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4b5377 No.537482

>>533945

You do realise that the Koran never says teh Bible has been corrupted, and in fact it clearly states that the words of God cannot be changed or altered. It explicitly affirms the Bible of Muhammad's day, which is the same Bible we use today.


2732ca No.537485

>>537482

Jesus Christ is the messiah of man-kind, True Man and True God, not a prophet.


f49513 No.537487

File: e2d7728983c266c⋯.jpg (260.12 KB, 1500x1200, 5:4, JRW-013-X3.jpg)

Hi, join us live exposing the false doctrine of James "Mohammed" White (pbuh) and his mohammedan apologia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLrOukeRopg

Call in Live on skype!


2d29af No.537496

>>537485

Of course Jesus was a prophet, anon. He is also High Priest and King. All three (especially the last two) factor into who Jesus was and is forever. He spoke from God and prophesied by God and committed miracles by God.


969c81 No.537517

File: c0cc803feab5473⋯.png (851.85 KB, 600x2560, 15:64, ed4dcf02f218aec09b5b4a144b….png)

>>537496

Post yfw this happens

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0d6c8a No.537547

>>536441

Nice revenge porn but how do we deal with the fact the mongols later became muslims and some of them split off to become Turks who ransacked Christendom? And Turks still exist today so wtf?


2732ca No.537555

>>537496

Jesus is God, and Muhammed's revelation is fake.


7f522a No.537585

>tfw no ex-Muslim Christian convert gf


1275f3 No.537615

>>537585

>nfw no Kazakh convert gf


2d29af No.538322

File: ea354c17daaa27a⋯.jpg (91.59 KB, 1200x866, 600:433, Genghis-khan.jpg)

>>537547

>Nice revenge porn

Come on, MuslimAnon. Did you not read the post? It's not a celebration of anything, just information.

>but how do we deal with the fact the mongols later became muslims

That's a really limp view of how things actually went. Certain groups of them are said to have converted, with the Golden Horde supposedly at some point being more Islamic than most. However, the mongols had a more Roman-esque view of religion wherein individualism and cohesion was more important than religious truth.

Taken from "History" (better than wikipedia, not as reliable as first-hand sources):

>Unlike many empire builders, Genghis Khan embraced the diversity of his newly conquered territories. He passed laws declaring religious freedom for all and even granted tax exemptions to places of worship. This tolerance had a political side—the Khan knew that happy subjects were less likely to rebel—but the Mongols also had an exceptionally liberal attitude towards religion.

>While Genghis and many others subscribed to a shamanistic belief system that revered the spirits of the sky, winds and mountains,

>the Steppe peoples were a diverse bunch that included Nestorian Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and other animistic traditions.

>The Great Khan also had a personal interest in spirituality. He was known to pray in his tent for multiple days before important campaigns, and he often met with different religious leaders to discuss the details of their faiths. In his old age, he even summoned the Taoist leader Qiu Chuji to his camp, and the pair supposedly had long conversations on immortality and philosophy.

>and some of them split off to become Turks

They didn't "become" Turks. Taken from a rather informative bloke from Turkey:

>Mongols and Turks have been together, since the beginning of Central Asian history. They are the sons and daughters of Altai, originated from Orkhun and Otukan. Turks, Tunguzs, Mongols: These three are what makes the Altai people, Altai culture and Altai heritage. The relationship between them back then was no diffrent than their relationships to their own tribes. Times of Xiongnu when Turks and Mongols rode together, times of Chinghis Khaan when Turks and Mongols rode together and times of Chagatai, Altan Orda, Ilkhanate, Timurids, Mughals when they rode together.

Long after Xiongnu was defeated, after many divisions arose and after Genghis created one of the greatest empires in human history:

>Chinghis Khaan used a tactic to prevent tribes from rebeling. He mix all the members of the suspicious tribes with all the members of another suspicious tribe or a very very calm tribe. So that "tribalism" is gone. They are a whole new faction now. This led to the mixing of Mongol and Turkic tribes.

>Turkic population mostly outnumbered Mongol population in Central Asia. This led to the "Turkification" of Chagatais, "Turkification+Islamisation" of Altan Orda (Golden Horde) which already had incredible Turkic population. Ilkhanate probably remained the most Mongol, until the day they collapse and melt into Anatolia, Persia, Levant and Caucasus. Yuans became very Chinese. This has a really simple reason, Chinese culture always lured steppe people and melted them into itself. Chinese culture was strong, rich and complicated to the nomads.

TL;DR Mongols didn't "become" Turks. The Turks and the Mongols are two different people who shared cultural ties even today back from centuries past.

Due to religion being secondary and cohesion of people primary, it was the culture of the regions, whatever was in the society and whatever people carried with them culturally which led people from one view to another.

>who ransacked Christendom?

Wait, what are you talking about here? I think one of us is off about the timeline. What are you referencing?

>And Turks still exist today so wtf?

Don't be a joke. Today's Turkey is not the Turkey of centuries ago any more than today's Rome or England are the same. That's like saying today's England and France are just as they were during the 100 Year War.

I'm no historian, I'm more into theology itself, but that the Turkish people still exist is not a shocker. Armenians still exist as well, despite the Turks' genocide, and there are even Assyrian peoples today. If that's all you meant (not that those same peoples/cultures have persisted the same for all this time) then of course they do. I doubt God has any intention on wiping out Turkish people like Sodom and Gomorrah, especially because (despite the terrible oppression) there are plenty of Christian Turks still around.


2d29af No.538323

>>537555

>Jesus is God, and Muhammed's revelation is fake.

Factually correct

>>537585

We have to stop this. There is no "ex-muslim Christian". We need to remove this from our minds immediately (me too).

You can say "so and so left Islam to become Christian" or "so and so was once a Muslim and was saved" but there's no unique classification for ex- anything. A believer is a believer. A sister in Christ who left Islam is not an ex-Muslim Christian. She is a Christian. We should never tack on the corpse of the old self which has been cast off by the grace and blood of Christ.


c7a7b1 No.538336

>>538323

Stop sperging. "ex-muslim" gives us a factual information that someone was a muslim. Stop intellectualizing too much.


2d29af No.538597

>>538336

>Stop sperging. "ex-muslim" gives us a factual information that someone was a muslim.

I still think we should find a better way of conveying such things without tacking on the old to the new - but you really do have a good point. I suppose it's not so bad as long as it's not abused.

haha Maybe I am over intellectualizing a bit.


2d29af No.540099

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093c4a No.540323

File: 1c65563e035b2aa⋯.gif (2.85 MB, 415x212, 415:212, download.gif)

>>540099

That article David Wood is responding to is beyond retarded…


ad3fcc No.540569

>>540323

It's certainly a gem of crystallized stupidity.


acc2b0 No.542089

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Allah is an impersonal fiction of God.


ad3fcc No.543928

>>542089

Interesting to hear an EastOrtho's take on it


abf13c No.543947

>>542089

>somebody posted bishop Athanasius on /christian/

The man is a great expert on liturgy and has written many books about this subject. I actually heard his lecture once and I was utterly blown away by his knowledge.


ad3fcc No.546479

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Just as an aside, a word about the Southern Poverty Lawcenter


d0579e No.550959

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d0579e No.554192

These threads are slowing down a bit. I wonder if we have currently exhausted much of what we can learn.

What do you think?


0a4054 No.554196

>>554192

These threads have been in repetition mode since #3. It's just the same points rehashed over and over again with nobody bringing anything new to the table; but the archives contain information handy to those seeking to evangelize to Muslims.


6cafb5 No.554226

File: 6cbd33fe88fd704⋯.jpg (56.6 KB, 653x507, 653:507, herp.jpg)

ITT 10


9234fd No.554229

>>554226

The Persians are Shia so l m a o


6cafb5 No.554231

File: 55b17d5baf5d803⋯.jpg (79.68 KB, 1023x681, 341:227, Shia Ceremony.jpg)

>>554229

>muh based Shi'a

>implying Shi'a aren't Muslim

You LARPers make me laugh.


9234fd No.554235

>>554231

No, I'm inferring that you probably are sunni and so you're unduly appropriating another group's successes


6cafb5 No.554239

>>554235

>he thinks all the "good scholars" are Shia

You are really ignorant, kinda like this whole general. The difference between the Shia and the Sunni are political - the succession of the Prophet - and that's it. It's the same religion. The political difference is virtually meaningless and the Shi'a make up <20% of the world's Muslims, yet you somehow think them better than Sunni?

The number of Sunni scholars far outweigh the number of Shi'a scholars; but you learned about Islam from /pol/ and not from actual knowledge of history, Islamic scholarship, or fiqh. Frankly, it's no wonder your religion is dying while Islam continues to grow faster than any other religion. Your darkness will always fear our light.


9234fd No.554242

>>554239

The scholars in the picture you posted are obviously Persian and you obviously have an inferiority complex which is quite hilarious by the way


6cafb5 No.554244

>>554242

We're not the ones who have 10 (soon 11) generals crying about "wahhh do'z ebil mooslims" on our board. You're so afraid of us that you literally can't stop talking about us. Come home to God's true religion and abandon this "God is a Man" crap.


9234fd No.554246

>>554244

>You're so afraid of us that you literally can't stop talking about us

These threads have slowed to a crawl and now only exist so that muslims shitting up other threads is reduced to a minimum by making these threads a reserve for this specific kind of discussion.

>God's incarnation is false

Would you care to disprove the gospels? Many have tried and just as many have failed.


6cafb5 No.554256

>>554246

>slowed to a crawl

This one is autosaging and you have a biological imperative to make #11 now. Prove me wrong.

>muslims shitting up other threads

We're already all over your other threads, pretending to be Christian (usually Baptist) to make you look like fools. It's too easy.

>Would you care to disprove the gospels?

Don't have to. You do it for us.

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ed496c No.556005

File: a1798e1494f770b⋯.jpg (57.33 KB, 592x416, 37:26, IMG_5246.JPG)

>>554242

The entirety of Persia was sunni until forcibly converted by Shah Ismail for political reasons five hundred years ago. Sunnis have a right to claim all sunni scholarship. Your weird nationalist obsession is amusing though, /pol/ling.


d0579e No.558098

>>554256

>This one is autosaging and you have a biological imperative to make #11 now. Prove me wrong.

That's an interesting notion. I didn't know Christians had biological imperatives to study theological opponents.

>We're already all over your other threads, pretending to be Christian (usually Baptist) to make you look like fools. It's too easy.

>outright advocating board subversion

That's a shame you have to do that instead of acting like someone who has a god capable of defending himself rather than requiring his subjects to put up feminist SJW tactics




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