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27d771 No.499553

This is the tenth iteration of the original megathread dedicated to discussion and education on Islam and Christianity.

Congrats on our 10th thread/3rd Anniversary Thread! Let's continue onward for our edification and Christ's glory!

All Islam related subjects come HERE.

Last threads:

2: https://archive.is/OTokZ

3: https://archive.is/5Z9y5

4: https://archive.is/8NxNn

5: https://archive.is/kbWSe

6: https://archive.is/PmiUl

7: https://archive.is/S1CIp

8: https://archive.is/lz9la

9: https://archive.is/CgiJZ

Recent Events:

- Leader of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, reported dead (https://archive.is/ZVc9F, https://archive.is/PG13l, https://archive.is/R4485)

- ISIS losing ground, shaves faces and beards to flee

- "Nordic youth group" lobs smoke grenade at "demonstrating refugees"

- Daesh terrorists executed scores of men, women and children (200 Turkmen) who sought to flee the Iraqi area controlled by the extremist group

- Kurds violently turning on Assyrians (Christians, too)

- Four North America-based Islamic preachers (work with The Muslim Vibe) want Raheem Kassam’s "No Go Zones" book banned from Amazon.

- Poland continues massive "anti-Islamification" protests

- Christians and Shia Muslims continue to be hunted and persecuted, as well as Sunni Muslims who do not relent to jihadis

- Refugee Crisis continues to escalate, with many Muslim and Christian refugees being attacked, beaten and often raped in the refugee shelters and/or refugee ghettos

- Debates between prominent Muslims and Christians continue to open up freely and amicably

Recent Studies:

- Qur'anic corruption

- Morality of Allah (Quran) vs Morality of God (Torah, Kings, Psalms, Prophets, Gospels, Epistles)

- Salvation

- Messianic prophesies of Jesus

- "Women (even Muslim women) are mentally deficient, fail at religion & their testimony is worth half that of a man's" t.Muhammad

- Jizya, Honor Killings, etc

…and more studies to come, I would hope.

Current MegaLink back-up for articles, videos, audio books and more: https://mega.nz/#F!9YB2EJ5A!mfVFn6AbXk9lBLM18V02Wg

0aaaa9 No.499555

First


27d771 No.499556

File: 4660d89214b7e25⋯.jpg (626.54 KB, 1340x2048, 335:512, Christ Destroys Myth.jpg)

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

- 1 Corinthians 10:3-5

As always, just for clarification, I will open with the same MISSION STATEMENT to avoid any confusion or surprises regarding the intention and purpose of this thread as well where our heart lies:

As you'll notice from the links provided in the OP there will be certain videos, imagery and other aspects that will be reposted. This is because these videos carry a potent amount of information.

Now let me state the perspective of the OP and the goal of this thread: My mission statement with this is to teach Christians about Islam's history, its holy text(s), its practices, and in what manner we Christians can confront it.

We believers in Christ are the only ones who can reach out and save a Muslim's soul, and we are also the only ones capable of combating Islam on the battlefield of ideology.

We must arm ourselves with wisdom, clarity, and fervor if we are to act in Christ's name.

This thread will focus mainly on Islam and how Islam relates to the world and Christianity. Personal perspectives are welcome, both from believers and even Muslims. This is NOT a thread for a witch hunt, but neither is it a thread where you'll find anyone willing to meekly capitulate.

Our focus:

We must have a Christian mindset at all times, and it's necessary to reach out even to Muslim immigrants (1st generation Muslim immigrants being the most volatile in service to their god, most especially depending on their C.O.O) since we don't know their potential. Only God does. It's very possible and has been the case many times where they might be willing to engage in civil discourse or secretly wish to accept Jesus as Lord but they are afraid due to their family, upbringing and consequence in the Islamic faith.

This is also the case even for many "Westernized" Muslims, too.

However, common sense plays a big role as well when it comes to testifying and how we do so. As I always say, while we must keep our hearts and minds open while being focused on saving others in Christ, we also cannot, MUST not capitulate.

There is no sympathetic love for the fiends of Rotherham, Nice, Stockholm and more. If you must protect yourself, your family and your neighbor from such fiends then unsheathe the steel from your spine and do so. Cut them down and make an example of them to the others so that you might shield your brothers and sisters from home-grown atrocities.

But that's only if it's needed. Ours is not the path of conversion by the sword, and unjust violence is just as much of a grotesquery in God's eyes as any sin. Our first place is the battlefield of ideology, the battlefield of the spirit.

I'll trust you all to continue learning the Gospel on your own as we learn more about Islam in this thread. You MUST know the Word of God before remotely trying to testify to another, let alone entering a discussion on the nature of God's Will. May God bless you all in Christ Jesus His Son.


23b081 No.499558

This is funny, right before I came on the board I was reading about The Reconquista if Spain


27d771 No.499562

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>499555

Dangit, anon! Let me get the Mission Statement in there first! haha

Well whatever. Good job. Also sweet digits

Anyway, since this is our 10th/3rd Annual Thread, I thought it would be nice to open up this round with some familiar faces! This first debate I'm posting involves a great old Australian brother in the faith whom you might recall from his Engaging Islam series we watched together some years ago. Not only is he still around, but he also keeps up the work for the Lord! He's also rocking a salt-and-pepper goatee now.

Is Muhammad a Prophet of God?

Sheikh Wesam Charkawi & Reverand Samuel Green


27d771 No.499563

>>499558

>The Reconquista of Spain

I'm gonna post some more familiar faces, but please tell us more, anon! I know next to nothing about the Reconquista


27d771 No.499565

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Next we have our ol' historian friend Dr. Bill Warner who is not only still alive after his many years but is also still very active is warning against political applications of Islam. As James White once said in "Islam A-Z", Islam is a religiopolitical faith. If so, then Warner handles the political side of things.

You can catch him still making videos at his Tube channel (perhaps one day to be erased under the new AI algorithms of gewgle) Political Islam. He is the man of "Center for the Study of Political Islam".

Bill Warner, PhD: Winning with Precise Words: A guide to understanding Islam

Here is his take on the matter.


27d771 No.499570

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Next we have that other familiar face, Dr. James White. Last thread we had a debate posted from a Muslim anon between James White and Yasir Qadhi. Seguing from Dr. Warner's political perspective, we have a debate - apparently hosted by the "Muslim Debate Initiative" - on the matter of war and peace in the respective religions.

PUBLIC DEBATE: WAR & PEACE in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM - Dr James White & Abdullah al Andalusi

Haven't seen this one yet, but it may be interesting…or frustrating. haha


f2ab7d No.499573

>>499553

These threads have literally become posting the exact same things over and over again. Why bother? It's not like actual Muslims come here and /islam/ just laughs at our autism.

If you're going to do nothing new, then stop. Let it go, man. Let it go.


27d771 No.499574

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Following from the subject of violence, texts and history is our greatly appreciated poster of the Crusades, RealCrusadeHistory!

Still going [moderately] strong, he has a league behind him now and together they have been posting videos and podcasts on the realities and historicity of the many, many claims in the true legend of the Crusades.

This one in particular will always ruffle feathers of the liberal-minded historical revisionists.

The Ransom Saladin Required for the Christians of Jerusalem

The often described "noble" Saladin pushed to extort exorbitant sums to give up the Christian refugees under his power. It is quite an interesting, frustrating, and yet somehow familiar subject… check last thread for details


27d771 No.499575

File: 4c05de5d20468c7⋯.webm (11.31 MB, 836x428, 209:107, Quran Surah 85.22 Preserv….webm)

>>499573

>this sad demoralization attempt

Poor show, mate. This is the first time in a long while we get to look back at the faces, names and subjects we've encountered before and see how they are doing and what else new they have to add. Funny you'd cry about it being "the same thing" in this thread.

>It's not like actual Muslims come here

We not only apparently had a mod and (supposedly) the BO of /islam/ show up but several Muslims posted in the last thread. In fact, the entire half of the last thread was almost entirely one long heated discussion with an informative Muslim on textual sources, doctrines, argument for/against our faiths, etc.

>then stop. Let it go, man. Let it go.

lol no

But we DO have a slew of great webms from the last thread which I strongly urge anons to save and share for healthy, amicable discussion with Muslims, most especially this webm which details only a fraction of a much longer video regarding the corruption of the Quran in various Arabic iterations.

THE QURAN & ARABIC VARIANTS


eb0d6a No.499577

all hadiths are bidah.


27d771 No.499578

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

And our last familiar face (for now) is our beloved brothers in the faith Dr. David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi, who is suffering severely from what may very well be an incurable case of stomach cancer (check his Tube video diaries for more information, he really has cancer).

Answering Common Muslim Objections: If Jesus Paid for Sins, Why Should Anyone do Good?

Alright, enough nostalgia! Let's have a great thread, everyone!


27d771 No.499579

>>499577

>bid‘ah (innovation, heresy)

Well, dubsanon, I don't think that's typically the case, especially when it comes to Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al Bukhari.

Why do you say that about the hadith?


8fefa2 No.499586

>Kurds violently turning on Assyrians

What? They've never been closer. As we speak the Syriac Military Council are fighting and dying in Raqqa along side Arab and Kurds. Under the SDF they have autonomy and freedom to practice their religion openly. Just recently the YPG released control over Assyrian villages to self administration. There's no infighting.

Polite sage


9fd65a No.499591

>>499586

Do you think that it's possible for Kurdistan to form after the war? Will Christians there have it better?


d24df8 No.499597

File: 1643e348bc3fca8⋯.mp4 (1.35 MB, 400x228, 100:57, Kurdish terrorists threate….mp4)

>>499586

>What? They've never been closer. As we speak the Syriac Military Council are fighting and dying in Raqqa along side Arab and Kurds. Under the SDF they have autonomy and freedom to practice their religion openly. Just recently the YPG released control over Assyrian villages to self administration. There's no infighting.

Complete lies

Here's a number of links talking about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in both Syria and Iraq including the SDF

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/25/christian-assyrian-clash-kurds-syria/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/first-hand-account-kurdish-ypg-forces-routinely-terrorize-assyrian-christians-in-syria/

http://www.aina.org/news/20160112034707.htm

http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm

http://www.aina.org/reports/ace201701.pdf

The last link is a PDF specifically about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in northern Syria, including forced deportation, murder, assassination and bomb plots

from http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm

>In Iraq, the Assyrian militia that was fighting Saddam was first disarmed by U.S. forces and then later, as conditions in Iraq deteriorated, the Kurdish Regional Government(KRG) blocked all Assyrian attempts to create local Assyrian forces, even those who were designed to do nothing more than protect soft targets like Assyrian schools, churches and businesses. Finally, in 2011 forward, the Kurds forcibly disarmed even average Assyrian citizens (and Yezidis as well) throughout the Nineveh Plain and Sinjar, leaving them incapable of defending themselves.

>Once disarmed, the Assyrians and Yezidis were abandoned by the Kurdish Peshmerga as ISIS stormed across northern Iraq. The KRG's program of forced disarmament and failure to defend Assyrians and Yezidis, even women and children, has been extensively documented by a number of groups

>>499591

>Do you think that it's possible for Kurdistan to form after the war?

Not if god favors his people

>Will Christians there have it better?

Obviously not, they're worse off now than they ever were under the Iraqi government when it has been stable


eb0d6a No.499598

>>499579

Hadiths are hearsay, uninspired second-hand, and third-hand accounts written 200 years after the prophet (pbuh). They are unreliable by nature. They are also irrelevant since we have the Quran, the Injeel and the Torah still with us, there's nothing in the hadiths that we need, it's all fan-fiction that causes division and confusion.

God have mercy on those who invented all the hadiths.


597910 No.499600

>>499573

They're informative and very helpful to anyone trying to debate muslims or solidify their faith.


5a88f0 No.499604

File: a8a5c15104a2386⋯.jpg (347.73 KB, 960x1700, 48:85, IMG_4151.JPG)


9fd65a No.499605

>>499597

Thanks for the insight. I'm not too well informed about the dynamics in that area, but I always hear snippets of information of how different the Kurds are towards the Christians.

I guess that's another reason not to trust the media.


5a88f0 No.499607

File: c048da58397189e⋯.png (1.5 MB, 1200x800, 3:2, IMG_4152.PNG)


414d9e No.499610

>>499604

The ignorance of this image is astounding.


8fefa2 No.499612

>>499591

Yes actually, the local Assyrians,Syriac, and Chaldean people are in support of Kurdish Independence. The KRG is a bit too centralized for my tastes but they treat minorities like the yezidis and Christians well. In Rojava they have it better, but they won't gain independence after the war. Probably just Iraqi Kurdistan, if at all

>>499597

Wew, I know this board loves Turkey but don't fall for Erdogan's propaganda. Yeah shit went down between the YPG and Khabour Guards and Nattoreh a few years back but they've reconciled and miraculously both joined the SDF after talks. They united to defend themselves against ISIS and rouge government militas. As for the KRG, like I said, too loyal to Iraqi for comfort.


78102a No.499622

>>499607

> Using a fedora who had no love of Islam to attack Christianity


d24df8 No.499639

>>499612

>Everyone that doesn't like the Kurds is a Turk or pro-Erdogan

>rouge government militas

Doesn't exist

>INB4 muh PMUs not being cucks to Assyrians and not doing exactly what they say means they are somehow enemies

Overall you come off as /leftypol/ trash, no real Christian would support filthy sodomite commies like the Kurds who regularly abuse and displace Christians in every single territory they occupy


8fefa2 No.499663

>>499639

So are the MFS, Khabour Guards, Nattoreh, and NPU all not true Christians or martyrs and defenders of the faith while we whine hundreds of miles away? And idk where you got PMU from but they're trash so who cares.

>rouge government militas

I meant Assad's NDF. They're pretty shit tbh.


d24df8 No.499672

>>499663

>MFS, Khabour Guards, Nattoreh, and NPU all not true Christians

If they accept Kurdish sodomites as allies and work against the government which inevitably results in balkanization and the massive displacement of Christians, then yes they are counterproductive and working against the majority of Christians in the long term

>muh NDF attacking Assyrians

as i said baseless bullshit that doesn't exist

The fact that you prefer separatists and anti-government extremists over explicitly secular and pro-Christian organizations exposes you as a shill

If you want a non-shit tier Assyrian group, basically the only one is the SSNP, all others are basically ZOGbots, pro-Kurd sodomites or larpers who will never have any political influence whereas the SSNP gained a large amount of popularity and government positions in the 2014 elections


fb811f No.499711

>>499612

In what way does the KRG treat us well? They like us when we're "Kurdish Christians", they don't like us when we wave Assyrian and Iraqi flags and call ourselves Ashurayeh. You're either a nukhrayah who doesn't know any better, or a liar. The KRG constantly tries to limit the power of Zowa'a.


d20305 No.499724

>>499711

Can you stop speaking in semitic gobblegook and explain the Assyrian situation fully?


8fefa2 No.499746

>>499672

SDF are secular, although some say too much so. These are some of the oldest and smallest Christian communities, we gotta support all that we can. You have to admit, seeing a cross back in Raqqa would be bretty great.

>>499711

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't trust the KRG. But they're a well needed break between ISIS burning churches and the PMU not being any better. Stability is needed to rebuild and hopefully reintroduce many refugees who left. Ethnic hostilities still exist, no doubt, although there's a fragile alliance over the referendum this fall. It won't last past September though.

>>499724

Basically it sucks to be a believer in the Middle East.


fb811f No.499749

>>499724

Assyrians have the Assyrian Church of the East, which is its own church. In the 1500s, the Vatican created the Chaldean Catholic church, which is a Roman Catholic church for Assyrians. Now, these Chaldeans think they are a separate race, the ancient Chaldeans of old. It's autistic as fuck and these Chaldeans are actively working to separate from and undermine Assyrians, with the help of Arab and Kurdish organizations. These same Chaldeans often call themselves Arab or Kurdish Christians, depending on where they are. In the US, these Chaldeans are very radicalized and basically speak a very Arabized version of our language.

Right now, Assyrians are trying to gain more rights and recognition from Baghdad, and it's actually going somewhere for once, but these fucking Chaldean freaks are trying to undermine us. There's now a Babylon Brigade which is claiming to be a Christian group to gain support, and is run by Chaldeans, yet the ranks are full of Shia Muslims. This Babylon Brigade is an enemy to the Assyrian NPU, and the leader often attacks Yonadam Kanna, the leader of Zowa'a, the political party that the NPU belongs to.

Basically, everyone hates Assyrians and wants our land because we won't assimilate into Arab/Kurdish/Muslim society


fb811f No.499750

>>499746

There is no break, the KRG and ISIS are our enemies. The KRG allowed ISIS through to the Nineveh Plains. They're all against us. It's a conspiracy and if you can't see it then I don't know what else to say. The KRG just removed the Assyrian mayor of Alqosh and replaced him with a KRG member. We protested, and they replaced this KRG member with ANOTHER KRG member, this time a Christian (probably Assyrian) KRG shill.


7f6031 No.499753

>>499746

>SDF are secular

Only in name

see >>499597

>Here's a number of links talking about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in both Syria and Iraq including the SDF

>>499746

>the PMU not being any better.

called it, lmao

>>499639

>>INB4 muh PMUs not being cucks to Assyrians and not doing exactly what they say means they are somehow enemies


fb811f No.499756

>>499746

Explain what issues we have with the PMU besides the issue with the Babylon Brigade, which the PMU resolved with the NPU and Baghdad. Stop shilling for the KRG


d20305 No.499763

>>499756

explain the entire situation fully. Who should christians lobby for, donate to, Are the shiites or Assad any better?


7f59d4 No.499764

>>499604

cancer and lies


8fefa2 No.499765

>>499749

This basically. Really heartbreaking the Chaldeans have a dog in the fight. One of the bigger communities and they obstruct peace. Shame really.

>>499753

Oh shit you did. Dammit.

>>499750

Would you suggest fighting them? They're close with the U.S. which would turn a blind eye, it would be suicide.

>>499756

That basically. Overall they stick to themselves, although they follow a Shia agenda for the most part, but then again the Kurds follow theirs. It's honestly just a power vacuum up there with the Assyrians/Syriacs being pawns.


fb811f No.499767

>>499765

Baghdad supports Assyrians, and has allowed us to create another NPU base outside of KRG jurisdiction in Baghdeda. The other NPU base is in Alqosh, which is under KRG influence. Protesting, resistance and the support of Baghdad is what will save us from KRG imperialism. Military action against Kurds is suicide.


8fefa2 No.499773

>>499767

Cozying up to Baghdad seems meek (it is the Iraqi government we're talking about) but better to show resistance to all forms of oppression. This referendum is going to be a shit show.


fb811f No.499779

>>499773

Baghdad banned the Babylon Brigade from our land, Baghdad made the NPU an official security force of Iraq, Baghdad approved two NPU bases. I don't trust any Muslims, but Baghdad is doing more for us now. The Jews gained so much because they were very active in making their persecutions known and shoving it in everyone's face. It's our turn to speak up and demand rights.


8fefa2 No.499790

>>499779

It's brutally underreported. One wonders why but remembers who controls the media. I will say, their decision to ok the NPU was ballsy. It's honestly just so intertwined. pray for peace brother.


24f3fc No.499866

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


4842e4 No.499882

>>499607

And why must God submit to human understanding?


24f3fc No.499884

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


27d771 No.500040

File: 87d881e7d036a66⋯.gif (1.93 MB, 500x280, 25:14, chaika-dont-be-shocked.gif)

File: 7d9d8937742773a⋯.jpg (37.06 KB, 1100x1663, 1100:1663, apostle Paul.jpg)

Hey, everyone! What's new in the–?

>deep, stark discussion of regional and geopolitics between Kurds and Assyrians

o-oh…

Well, this is the first time we've had a serious discussion about that so I guess it was inevitable. Interesting to see some information which even I was not up to date on.

>>499767

>>499779

I take it you know about this on a very personal level. We will continue praying for everyone in the region, especially those our corrupt media gives deafening silence to, and especially for those who profess Christ. It's not like we want any Muslims or Yazidi to suffer, of course, but we obviously give preference to those who profess the Christ as Lord. We in the West have no control over the geopolitical machinations abroad and cannot do much to help, but our prayers, if made in the name of Christ in Gospel truth, are surely heard by One greater than any help of man. I know it sounds passe or like the Secularist well-wishing drivel, but I really do mean it when I say that I (and I am sure so many others of us) are with you in heart and praying for you. Whatever the truth may be we want as little suffering as possible. Trust in Christ as the Lord Sovereign of all, trust in Him in Gospel truth, cling to Messiah with all your soul and bone in accordance to the Scriptures.

Psalm 27

Psalm 37

Psalm 139

And of course,

'"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:''

"For Your sake we are killed all day long;

We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

- Romans 8:35-39


27d771 No.500051

File: d9554713c0cd862⋯.jpg (12.63 KB, 240x240, 1:1, read it.jpg)

File: c9133d1c22ea7f5⋯.png (2.51 MB, 777x2026, 777:2026, Jefferson_Barbary Muslim W….png)

>>499607

Good thing Jefferson wasn't an apostle or else this would matter. Also, pic related

>>499604

>Platonic deductive reasoning

This meme again? The Gospel and the Greeks by Ronald H Nash.

>>499866

>"Most of the slaves brought here were from Muslim countries, they were Muslims as well"

>Muslim countries, Muslim slaves

Now wait a minute, something doesn't smell right here. Does he even know the primary trade of slaves in Muslim countries were non-Muslims and those who could be considered Muslim were not what those slavers would call "Muslims" because, well, you wouldn't sell Muslims as slaves - especially to kafir - if you feared Allah?

>"The first country to recognize the United States was a Muslim country"

Last I checked, there were American ships getting attacked by Islamic pirates, which confused Jefferson and made him actually look into what was going on. Pic related.

>"We find Thomas Jefferson owning a quran"

OH HE ACTUALLY DID SAY IT! HAhaha! But he never said why he owned a quran - which most of them do not (mainly because they are just repeating talking points instead of actually looking these things up).

This historically-inept individual who could not do a single web search on anything he was going to mention in the interview is frustrating me now. About the only thing that's true which came out of his mouth was that Muslims like being asked about their religion - mostly. Rather upset he was unchallenged on any of the points he made.


27d771 No.500054

File: c69307d141a2438⋯.jpg (103.46 KB, 800x450, 16:9, niqab face palm.jpg)

>>499884

>Methodist starts happily talking over some hashtag which promoted Muslim women as being empowered

>"Muslim women are empowered by their faith", the imam says

Anyone want to take this away? I'll give you anons a chance to respond to this using the Islamic sources. If you need a nudge, search Thread 9's archive link with the key word "deficient".


dff5fd No.500078

>>499598

First two pillars of Islam are reliant on the Hadiths

Do you reject those and other Islamic practices that come from the Hadiths?

If so kudos for not being like others that reject Hadiths yet follow many common Islamic practices


0a7388 No.500312

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

0a7388 No.500313

File: cc57514f2cfbdf1⋯.jpg (398.7 KB, 1334x921, 1334:921, IMG_4163.JPG)


0a7388 No.500314

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


27d771 No.500390

File: 2669521d7c5c82e⋯.png (1.91 MB, 948x1036, 237:259, sparking discussion.png)

>>500312

>>500313

>>500314

>citing Dimmy's Bikimeba

>more "Constantine did it" errors

>muh "Islam is fastest growing" despite "Wind in the House of Islam" book thoroughly going against that

>pic doesn't even get the Trinity right

Can't comment on that last one since the url failed for me.

Point is - you gotta step up, Senpai. This is terrible. If you actually want to refute Christian doctrine you will need to cite the sources themselves and prove that Christianity is corrupted. Meaning, take the New Testament and contrast it with the Law, Psalms and Prophets to prove that its teachings are neither prophesied nor in accordance to the morality of God. You need to prove that the God we follow, Christ Jesus, is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. If you can prove this, you win. Christianity crumbles and only fools would continue wading through a dead false doctrine.

The flip-side, however, is that you also need to acknowledge the same for you; if Islam does not fulfill the prophesies of the Prophets and Psalms, does not align with the morality of God as shown in the Law, and thus further does not bear the harmony with the former scriptures which we content that the Gospels and Epistles do then you must forfeit Muhammad and Islam's Allah. Islam crumbles and only fools would continue wading through a dead false doctrine.

No one is allowed any escape. Take up the sources! Take up the texts, both yours and ours, and let's truly contend together! Let's see whose God is the true and living God, who bears everlasting sovereign harmony and consistency with all He has forewritten as the Author of Fate!

Which one of us truly knows Jesus? Which one of us truly knows salvation, and who will, if they continue as they are, enter utterly into everlasting fire?

Take up the sources, the sacred texts, and let's clash them together to see which bears His truth! Let's do this right for the honor of the God whom we profess to serve with our soul and marrow! If you do not do this but instead continue to hide behind such worthless pics and vids, then you have lost; this thread has no use of junkfood posts and even less room for spiritual cowards.


0a7388 No.500426

>>500390

>>500390

Abrahamic friend,

Nice meme.

I'm actually not up for doing more than hitting eachother over the head with youtube, some links, some banter, and of course (fresh) memes at present juncture.

Thanks for the Andalusi v White video. Andalusi used to make videos back 10 years ago, he had a cohost at the time, good stuff.

You're taking care of your mother - Allah bless her, guide her, protect her and reward you. Ameen. Probably other things too I imagine. I'm juggling some things as well, moving, etc. Thankfully there are more than a billion other muslims that can potentially come here for some longform exchanges. I encourage them to do so as long as there's an earnest yet respectful tone to the thread.

I've watched the wind in house of Islam on Amazon Prime. I didn't know Garrison put out global statistics, much less ones that might countervail Pew, et al.


ff6494 No.500466

>>500390

>Take the New Testament and contrast it with the Law, Psalms and Prophets to prove that its teachings are neither prophesied nor in accordance to the morality of God.

<Gnostic memes btfo by Irenaeus in 2nd century of Christ

https://www.catholic.com/video/does-god-do-unjust-things


27d771 No.500611

File: 1ad73d5bd478606⋯.webm (8.44 MB, 500x364, 125:91, Trinity [Box] Revelation.webm)

>>500426

>I'm actually not up for doing more than hitting eachother over the head with youtube, some links, some banter, and of course (fresh) memes at present juncture.

Are you the Muslimanon from the last tread? Did you look deeper into the citations I gave you? Also the Qur'anic corruptions here >>499575

I want to know what your response is to the Messianic prophesies I had listed, too.

Also, stop reddit spacing, mate.

>>500466

God never does anything unjust, correct. I don't like Catholic Answers for obvious reasons, however Staples is correct in most regards on this matter, except I would not say it is a matter of different people (since it really is not) but it is exclusively a matter of a change in covenant. We moved from the Mosaic Covenant into the Covenant of Grace written with the blood of Christ Jesus, the Son of God.


cbb0e7 No.500722

>>500611

>Are you the Muslimanon from the last tread?

Yes.

>Did you look deeper into the citations I gave you?

I gave due consideration to everything presented.

>Also the Qur'anic corruptions here

I've watched most of the video and seen those two in Speakers Corner vids. I know they have screenshots of some supposed "discrepancies", post a screen grab or two and I'll do my best to clear things up. At /islam/ I debunked one from a website it turned out to be a shoop. The admin locked the thread since we already have one dedicated thread for trialogue, that is disputations with pauline christians. Another reason why I need to devote more time to /islam/ is because we have next to no OC. Some OC can perhaps do double duty itt.

The Quran was taught to he after whom there is no prophet in seven styles that did not oppose or contradict whatsoever. The prophet (pbuh) taught them all. Infamously Umar (ra) heard Hisham bin Hakeem (ra) reciting in a different style and performed a kind of citizen's arrest. He brought him to the Prophet and the Prophet said both their recitation styles were correct.

After the death and consequent lack of approval / arbitration of the Prophet there was a need to agree on one style. Uthman ra chose the primary style used by the Prophet's tribe and hometown, having the rest destroyed. Uthman purposely left the short vowels blank to accomodate subtle variations in the reciting from the existing styles. From this one qurayshi-meccan-uthmani mushaf of consonants and long vowels there emerged regional variations in the stress of various syllables and layout of short vowel diacritical marks, eventually codifying into seven main recitation schools. Today five of these schools are extinct although there remain specialized masters that devote themselves to mastering all seven styles. Most common today is for people to memorize Quran in Hafs recitation, warsh recitation or sometimes both.

So post from two "versions" of a Quran and see what the contradictions are. See if you can establish a discrepancy and see Islam crumble.

The Qurans in the video of this man and woman are basically what a Christian would consider hymnal versions. They are books that cover elocution, breathing, meter, pause points, and other details that is used ceremonially. The actual revelation are the consonants and long vowels which are the same in all these books.


27d771 No.500753

File: 5de3b2040bdcb1a⋯.png (78.54 KB, 568x696, 71:87, vowels.png)

>>500722

>I gave due consideration to everything presented.

What is your response regarding the prophesies, especially of Jesus and His crucifixion? You never responded, mate.

>At /islam/ I debunked one from a website it turned out to be a shoop.

The one you debunked? What is it? I would like to have the false evidence here, too, so that we don't have anyone retreading ground that's built on vapor. No reason for a Christian to bother a Muslim over fake texts.

>The admin locked the thread since we already have one dedicated thread for trialogue, that is disputations with pauline christians.

You mean Christian, follower of The Way, Messianic, etc. There is no special "Pauline" Christian; Paul even warned against taking up a man's name in such a way (1 Corinthians 1:11-15, 3:1-5).

Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas [Peter]," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? - 1 Cor.1:12-13

For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. - 1 Cor.3:4

It's in light of this that I exhort Lutherans and Calvinists, etc. to reclassify their theological perspective instead of taking up such names. Christians are of Christ alone, no matter their theological leaning in the minors. There is no "Pauline" Christian, and not even Paul would have had it any other way.

>The Qurans in the video of this man and woman are basically what a Christian would consider hymnal versions.

We toss out the hymnal versions that have aberrations as significant as in >>499575

>They are books that cover elocution, breathing, meter, pause points, and other details that is used ceremonially.

Wait, please explain this to me, mate. I don't understand how a Qur'an is solely created for this purpose when the text itself does not describe this. Do you mean the style of Arabic utilized? But the change in style still should not result in such significant changes.

>The actual revelation are the consonants and long vowels which are the same in all these books.

What do you mean "the consonants and long vowels" are the revelation? You mean like pic related?

So when Surah 85:21-22 says,

But this is an honored Qur'an [Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate.

It's really just talking about the consonants and long vowels? So even if the words and the message they convey are different, as long as the consonants and long vowels that comprise the words are roughly the same, it's okay?

Genuinely help me understand the Islamic view of the Qur'an and its preservation and origin.


5409d7 No.500803

Proofs of beheading practice by Prophet Muhammad (According to “Sirat A,

Rasul” page 464):

“When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews.

Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700 : Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.”

Here is the excerpt from Dr. Andew Bostom’s article in the Frontpage Magazine:

‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

For centuries, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut.

On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."


a6b5ba No.500806

A sheep ate a page of the genuine Koran and it was lost forever. Such cases.


27d771 No.500953

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>500806

>A sheep ate a page of the genuine Koran and it was lost forever. Such cases.


27d771 No.500954

>>500803

Very interesting, anon! Thank you


506596 No.501032

>>500803

his ancestor wiped out the church of the east and wiped out the Assyrians in most of mesopotamia, Northern Mesopotamia had a christian majority before.


506596 No.501036

>>501032

Timur, baburs ancestor. A truly demonic man


27d771 No.501260

>>501036

>>501032

What more can be said about "Timur". It's the first time I heard of this.


506596 No.501274

>>501260

TImur killed close to 200000 indians from September to December 1938, and enslaved a very large amount close to 50000 within the same time. He also killed 80% of Georgia/Armenias population, enslaving close to 60000, and destroyed nearly all of the cities of Armenian Cillia and ravaged the population of Eastern Anatolia. Part of the and settlement by kurds is due to the extermination of the converted turkish population and armenian by the mongols and timur, who hit eastern anatolia very hard.


27d771 No.502127

>>501274

>Part of the and settlement by kurds is due to the extermination of the converted turkish population and armenian by the mongols and timur, who hit eastern anatolia very hard.

I got lost in the sentence here, but from what I remember the mongols utterly decimated the once steel teeth of the Islamic forces during their day, so why would Timur work with them? Was that before or after they started warring?

Sorry if I sound historically retarded; I had American public schooling so pls no bully


506596 No.502238

>>502127

Timur was a turk of patrinlineal mongol descent born in 1336 near samarkand. He usurped the leadership of the Chatagai Khanate and conquered the states that rose when from the Illkhanate collapse in 1335. During his lifetime, Chatagai, Illkhanate, Yuan all collapsed completely and golden horde split


506596 No.502242

>>502127

Mongols were also decisively defeated by the Delhi Sultanate ruling India and eventually defeated by the Mamluks in the Western Levant and Egypt


27d771 No.502252

>>502238

>>502242

Was that also what turned the tide for India regarding Muslims and mongols? Although I hear more about India's deeply embedded issues with Islam than mongols these days.


506596 No.502257

>>502252

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Khilji

India was not a big target of the main mongol invasions or by hulegu, but was invaded by the less well trained Chatagai Khanate.

Khilji also destroyed my people's kingdom, Kakatiya, and took the Koh-i-Noor diamond as loot.


27d771 No.502262

>>502257

Destroyed? As in utterly ransacked or as in razed from the face of the earth?

What more can you say about it?

Mind you, interesting as this is - and it is extremely interesting - this is the IslamVsChristianity thread. If you can give us more history and how it relates directly to Islam itself, even the textual sources (Quran & ahadith) of Islam, that's what I'm looking for - though I'm sorry to hear about such a fate for your ancestors and their incredible daimond.


506596 No.502265

>>502262

I am a Christian, but my ancestors were Hindu. Can't get into it without digression, however, loot, slavery, and war against infidels, particularly polytheists, is explicit in Islam.


298e55 No.502351

>>499555

go back to reddit


27d771 No.502958

File: 97995d969af7fdf⋯.jpg (45.68 KB, 704x476, 176:119, HUMPH.jpg)

>>499884

>>500054

Okay, anons, seriously get on this. The answer is essentially just copy-paste from the last thread.

Who here can answer this from the Islamic sources?

Here's the challenge again:

>Methodist starts happily talking over some hashtag which promoted Muslim women as being empowered

>"Muslim women are empowered by their faith", the imam says

So the idea is that Muslim women are empowered and particularly empowered by their faith. Muslim women are therefore strong in their faith, or the faith makes them empowered (stronger, likely intellectually speaking since the Methodist mentioned "degrees").

What is Islam's view of women (according to Muhammad)?

I'm actually going to be very angry if no one else can answer this after everything that was studied and discussed in the last thread.


27d771 No.503260

File: aa282a1785e1411⋯.webm (3.68 MB, 400x223, 400:223, .Islamic Majors_Robert Sp….webm)

>>502265

>loot, slavery, and war against infidels, particularly polytheists, is explicit in Islam.


27d771 No.505091

File: 509176ab223da9f⋯.gif (655.09 KB, 500x511, 500:511, get an umbrella, idiot.gif)

>>500054

>>502958

>repeat a simple question to inspire anons to show what we've covered together

>even tell them it's basically just a copy-paste from the last thread since the sources were already cited

>wait for someone to show what they've learned regarding Muhammad's view of women

>people are paying attention, someone will post

>thread reaches page 7

>no one cared to answer the question

i-its okay

it's not okay


eb8137 No.506348

Guys, I've commented on this 8ch/islam thread, they eventually had to lock it:

https://8ch.net/islam/res/22459.html

Check it out, I've shown them some examples of how their Koran affirms the Trinity and most of their replies are pretty sub-par.




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