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86823f No.500897

I'm mostly done reading the New Testament here and I'm starting to feel pressured to choose a denomination. How far from the truth is most of the clashing between denoms here when applied to real life interaction? (I'm asking because I will most likely be moving to a Bible Belt state in the foreseeable future.) Would there be any harm in not aligning with a denomination?

Furthermore, as long as I'm NOT choosing a non-Nicene church like JW or Mormonism I won't be going to hell… [spoiler]r-right?

d21ecf No.500899

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>>500897

To find out which denomination is correct one, we can't rely on human autonomy and individual desire to direct our answer (in Christianity, that's self-defeating) rather we need a specific standard. So, what's the standard? Universally, Christians try to imitate what it's like to follow Christ, and the best example of that are those followed Christ. Namely the apostles. This is where disagreements arise, but I think we can reduce the major topics into four questions to find the correct denominations, which are:

What's completely apostolic?

What is the role of God's grace upon the believer?

What is everyone's position in regards to original sin?(I wish I can word this better)

Is God's congregation visible or invisible?

Here are some links to get started. Although, they're a bit biased, I'll admit.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/alexander_a/canon.iii.ii.html

https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/theology/general-christian-topics/doctrine-questions/4703746-2-thessalonians-2-15

https://michaeljkruger.com/were-early-churches-ruled-by-elders-or-a-single-bishop/

https://bible.org/seriespage/8-grace-god-part-i-ephesians-15-12-21-10

http://justforcatholics.org/a84.htm

https://onefold.wordpress.com/category/sacred-tradition/

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/visible.html

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/iv.v.lxxiv.htm

http://churchhistory101.com/century4-monasticism.php


ff2f44 No.500916

>>500899

After reading several of your links I want to be Baptist


c5e97d No.500934

>>500916

Reformed Baptist is the way to go.


c5e97d No.500935

File: 489de3b07e0bc56⋯.jpg (35.73 KB, 150x225, 2:3, theopneustos.jpg)

>>500916

We have Theopneustos Man!


5af854 No.500937

>>500935

I think Evangelical Baptism (it's called like this here) in France isn't the same as American Baptist churches. I hope the closest one to my location is conservative


e9c41a No.500939

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>>500897

>Furthermore, as long as I'm NOT choosing a non-Nicene church like JW or Mormonism I won't be going to hell… [spoiler]r-right?

Wrong. Being inside the Church is necessary for salvation - and none of the modern creations like Baptist or other Protestant, or even schismatic, churches can provide the fullness of it.


6874e7 No.500944

>>500937

>I think Evangelical Baptism (it's called like this here) in France isn't the same as American Baptist churches.

looks similar, the Fédération des Eglises Evangéliques de France (FEEBF) seems a lot like our southern baptist convention.

from what i've read, i think in france, if it has "evangelical" in its name it's not going to be reformed.

doesn't look like there are many reformed baptist churches in france:

http://www.reformedreader.org/rbfrance.htm

kind of bums me out that there aren't that many options for you if you're the frenchman who was interested in the writings of john calvin i've seen in other threads.

either way, good luck, hope you find a great congregation.


c9ecff No.500963

>>500939

while all you said is true it might lead to misunderstanding. it's best to speak clearly.

everyone in heaven is catholic but not everyone who is in heaven was part of the visible catholic church while on earth.

let me speak clearly once again. between a sect of protestantisme, the Catholic Church or one of the orthodox churches there are great differences that will have a big impact on your salvation. after all if you choose to reject the church Christ built upon st Peter isn't that a big deal? or if you reject the authority God gave to Peter is it not a big deal?

The saints and people who received apparitions warmed us of the multitude of the damned. Christmas warned us the way is narrow. I believe the majority of Catholics will be damned and so the percentage of people outside of it dammed is probably higher and so the Catholic Church is your best hope for salvation.


6b3daf No.500971

>>500897

Make sure your church follows the three Ecumenical Creeds: The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian


7e6aa2 No.501050

>>500944

Unfortunately (or not ?) the church I mentioned earlier is part of " Association évangélique d'Églises baptistes de langue française" it has less church than the other association. It is an association of churches from France, Switzerland and Belgium

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_évangélique_d%27Églises_baptistes_de_langue_française

And yes the Frenchman interested in Calvin was me !


7c992b No.501056

Ignore the words of men and follow God, His Son and the teachings of the Bible, everything else is a distraction.

>John 14:6

>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


080db0 No.501236

>>500971

>"""""""""""""""""Athanasian"""""""" Creed

>Ecumenical


525666 No.501440

>>500897

Church of the raw onion, mate.


97ff0e No.501445

If you're high class then join a high Anglican, conservative Episcopalian, perhaps Presbyterian.

If you're low class then join a low church.

Only you know the answer. Trust me, we'll be able to tell if you belong or not at a proper church. If your car is older than 10 years and not historic then consider parking it a block away. Thanks.


735116 No.501512

Now start reading Church fathers. You're not ready to pick a denomination just like that.


ba45e3 No.501514

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0399ec No.501608

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>>500897

>Would there be any harm in not aligning with a denomination?

No. inb4-and-after-300-ppl-saying-"yes"

>How far from the truth is most of the clashing between denoms here when applied to real life interaction?

>Furthermore, as long as I'm NOT choosing a non-Nicene church like JW or Mormonism I won't be going to hell…

Correct.

But, pre-empting or post-empting everything you'll be told:

- Some Catholics will insist that "outside mother church you're fugged. Enjoy hell" or maybe they just think you'll be in purgatory longer

- Most Catholics might think that, but they're too polite to say

- Most Catholics ignore the fact that their own catechism says that there are Christians outside the official RCC

- Orthbros are almost entirely in the "polite" category, because faith isn't a this or a that, but a journey or something like that

- But some Orthbros may bleet that being in a heretical, schismatic sect like protestants is just setting yourself up to fail

- Almost no protestants still believe "only our Church is Christian", though some Baptists will still tell you Catholicism is the debil or something like it

- MOST protestants will say what matters is not the institution you belong to, but the faith in Christ that you have

- Apostolics will counter that with some random verses from James and a shitflight will ensue

- MOST protestants will concede that you cannot say "I believe in Jesus" and live a reprobate life and still be saved

- Calvinists and Baptists may take issue with this, insisting on "Once saved, Always saved" and Apostolics will derisively laugh and yet more shitfighting will commence

Anyone care to make corrections? We could turn this into a meme and cease with the 200,000 threads of in-fighty shitposting. In theory.

Frankly, OP, I would recommend that whereever you end-up attending, don't just turn-up each week and think that is it – get involved. Particularly, if you're a new Christian, definitely immerse in some sort of Christian basics course, try to get discipled – mentored – into the faith, find the wisest, most Godly men and join their cell group. Or the ilk. The road ahead is not an easy one, and we are called to Church not for the magical fairy bread, but for the "iron sharpening iron" of hard Christian fellowship. Sadly, it is my experience, that SO FEW Churches recognise much less OFFER this level of discipling fellowship. Furthermore, I find if there ARE based men of God, they seem to congregate in their little inner circle of like-minded believers to become a Church within a Church, little realising that the faith they have been blessed with was MEANT to be shared with the Church as a whole, not hidden inside their specific cell group. But, I digress.

But, never stop searching for it. (Well, not at the cost of wandering the earth like Caine, of course.)


b3515b No.501666

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If you don't even read what the Church Fathers and early saints believed then you are not ready to choose a denomination.


0399ec No.501673

>>501666

>501666

reeeaaally … ?


faa8a0 No.501879

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>>501608

Solid post. Good work lad.




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