Refer to subject. Am I missing some piece of information on why the Jesuit name is dragged through the mud on this board?
People assume that all Jesuits are raging leftists because of a few vocal priests from that society. In reality, they're a mixed bag. They're very educated men that have been very influential in the Church's history (most of it being a very good influence, they were at the front lines of leading the counter-reformation or evangelization missions worldwide).
Because Jesuits are crypto freemasons trying to establish a one world government through ecumenism.
smells like a false-flag
Yeah, I'm not really serious. I think they were banned in my country because Jesuits always tried to convert Lutherans.
>Yeah, I'm not really serious
Now that I read your post again, I should have realized that. But y'know, I never what to expect anymore on these forums. :P
> I think they were banned in my country because Jesuits always tried to convert Lutherans.
Yeah, that was their goal. They were able to achieve it in my country, anyways. Similarly, the Dominicans were assigned to convert the Cathars and they were able to successfully do it.
Is convert a Latin word that means burn?
>believing in these memes
For example: St. Dominic, the founder of the Dominicans, was known to publicly debate Cathar leaders. The followers of these heretical sects (e.g. Lutherans or Cathars) were converted via the superiority of the Church's theology. This is still the case today.
- Protestants are still sore to this day over the counter-Reformation. There's a lot of Jesuit conspiracy memes going back hundreds of years about Jesuits inflitrating this and that. Those are mostly mythical though.
- Liberation theology, especially in Latin America
- The St. Louis Jesuits
- Numerous high-ranking Jesuits openly saying utterly heretical things. Look at their America magazine for instance
Protestants should be burned.
>The followers of these heretical sects (e.g. Lutherans or Cathars) were converted via the superiority of the Church's theology
From what I've read, most of the Cathars didn't convert. If the missions were so successful, then the Albigensian Crusades would have never been launched: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Albigensian_Crusade
ah thank you
i just came to the board to make a post about another (((jesuit))) causing strife in my home country of australia
so australia is holding a referendum on sodomite marriage: and the catholic church surprised us all by actually going against it and threatening to fire priests who disobeteyed
by who is the dissenting voice?
none other that a leading JESUIT priest
the jesuit historic question is one thing:
but what is absolutely certain is the current jesuits are absolute fucking cancer and do nothing but attack traditionalist movements
NuJesuits are leftist scum. Original Jesuits were badass Christwarriors who converted millions.
They got the feces of a little boy
>You shall not murder t. Exodus
<actually, you shall murder
Of course, it was just a joke and we should never take you people seriously even when you aren't joking.
>in reality they're a mixed bag
Something like 70% of Jews vote Democrat in the USA. Also go look at pew research on Jewish attitudes on Christianity. They generally oppose Christian values
Jesuits are the hand behind Jewry and Masonry.
<Albert Pike Invents Illuminati
<Founds Rose Law Firm where HRC becomes a high priestess.
<Podesta is a Jesuit
<South American Jesuit missionaries were used by the USSR
<Pope is a Jesuit. Wonder why Sean Spicer visited?
<Stalins real last name was Georgian for "son of Jews" but he studied as a Jesuit in the Vatican.
>Jesuit = Jew
lol what we're talking about Jesuits
It's not murder for the state to administer capital punishment for crimes like murder and heresy.
Attending a school founded by Jesuits doesn't make someone a Jesuit. Jesuits are a priestly, mendicant religious order. You can't be a Jesuit unless you're a Catholic priest. Albert Pike, Stalin and HRC are not even from Catholic families (as far as I know) and the only one on that list that is a Jesuit is the pope.
Not all Jesuits are against traditionalism, bu, at least as far as the mass, the Jesuits have never been a liturgically-focused order.
Because they're hyper-liberal.
>It's not murder for the state to administer capital punishment for crimes like murder and heresy.
>it's not murder so long as i'm not involved personally in the act, but just encourage it
Yeah, sounds a lot like what some commie would say.
>crimes like murder
I don't disagree, so long as you're speaking of actual physical murder and not "you're damning their souls by teaching wrong things" bunk. God will save his people, regardless of how many heresies are flying about. Not to say that heresies are not sad things
> and heresy.
<As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
<Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep aloof from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.
Try finding a verse for me that says you should kill heretics, just try it. You won't find any, because christianity is not islam. It is not the Old Covenant either.
>have nothing more to do with him.
That does not take out foremost(capitol) punishment, why should one who risks the souls of others be allowed to spread heresy and encourage others as well. If they do not repent, then they should be killed to prevent its spread.
>That does not take out foremost(capitol) punishment,
Where do you see Jesus telling us to kill heretics?
>why should one who risks the souls of others be allowed to spread heresy and encourage others as well.
So you should murder every muslim and such as well? They do teach heresy as well and think they're abrahamic, while we can obviously say their god doesn't behave like God, with upside down rules.
That aside, do you believe in predestination? I believe that everyone of God's people will be saved.
<Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
<And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
I find this a critical part of the topic.
>If they do not repent
Were it that they would
>then they should be killed to prevent its spread.
Where do you find this in the NT?
No, i believe in just self-defense, but that extends to the physical realm. I would also rather not do a full on magdump on any burglar, in hopes that they might repent later, but i would attempt to stop and detain them.
You're right that Christianity is not like Islam. Christianity does not explicitly prescribe any particular kind of government. However, the secular government should rule according to Christian principles.
>That aside, do you believe in predestination? I believe that everyone of God's people will be saved.
That's such a bogus argument. You might as well say that there is no point in fulfilling any Christian duties because God would save all of his elect anyway.
>No, i believe in just self-defense, but that extends to the physical realm. I would also rather not do a full on magdump on any burglar, in hopes that they might repent later, but i would attempt to stop and detain them.
That's not how guns work, anon.
>wait for the king/queen to convert for political reasons
>rest of the social order converts from the top down
>Jesuits converted millions
This was common in European countries
It didn't work so well in the Americans where there was no king to convert or social pressure to join the foreign conqueror's faith
>Am I missing some piece of information on why the Jesuit name is dragged through the mud on this board?
Overlap with /pol/. Jesuits have pro-Jewish origins and are tied to organizations that push anti-white agendas.
>That's such a bogus argument. You might as well say that there is no point in fulfilling any Christian duties because God would save all of his elect anyway.
Obviously untrue, because there is a point to fulfilling christian duties even when God just saves all his elect anyway. Have you thought of it being for the glory of God?
>That's not how guns work, anon.
Duh Doesn't mean i can't be an idealist from time to time
Friendly reminder that Antifa is currently raiding /pol/, probably because of the recent DACA thing. You'll probably see some spillover since communists hate Christianity and Antifa likes to be dark and edgy.
The same principle applies to the state. The state has an obligation to uphold laws that promote the glory of God and the common good.
>The same principle applies to the state. The state has an obligation to uphold laws that promote the glory of God and the common good.
True, although the apostles never killed the heretics they faced.
Jesuits aren't relevant publicly.
You're confusing apathy with antipathy.
>communists hate Christianity
If you say so
communism and christianity have a lot in common
Jesuits are Jewish Reptilians wearing Christian skin.
t. person who hasn't read the Bible or the writings of prominent Communists
Jesuits are crypto-jews.
> why the Jesuit name is dragged through the mud
If you dunno whether the accusations are true, you dunno whether the name is dragged through the mud or belongs there. I dunno either. Get history books, verify sources and tell the tree from the fruits.
satanism has a lot in common with other religions too, so what?
I'm not, but I think Cathbros here think liberal Jesuits will be the death of the church
Either that or they're the convenient whipping boys of the Buptists for how immoral and decrepit roman catholicism is
only cuz I know nothing about them, mind
It's pretty crazy to me that people think this way. Like, you believe if the disciples had been able to, they would've burned all the pagan Romans and unconverted Jews around them to death if they refused to become Christian? Just madness. Pretty much everything in the gospels argues against this.
What does that even mean?
i think you should read again the title of this thread, buddy
You are missing a disturbing amount of evidence.
Not really. Christianity is not a political religion in that it does not prescribe any particular governmental system. The New Testament was written in the context of a non-Christian or even anti-Christian government, so there wouldn't have been any reason for the Apostles to comment directly on government policy in their epistles. That said, a good government established by Christians should govern in a manner informed by Christian principles. To say that they shouldn't is akin to those in our time who say that the government can't forbid abortion, sodomitical unions etc., due to separation of church and state. The absolute separation of Church and state is not a Christian principle. Neither is religious tolerance an absolute human right.
Seriously. This is all of /pol/'s fault. The jesuits is part of their grand over-reaching conspiracy. Everything you read that's against the jesuits is likely the result of someone who's brain is on /pol/.
You want to burn me to death for disagreeing on how to worship Christ. Is that loving thine neighbor as you love yourself? Is that doing unto others as you would have others do unto you?
Why do Protestants hate Catholics more than the lies of those that literally murdered God Himself?
they're literally the most subversive and heretical member of the church
example: catholic church forbids priests to marry sodomites in context of upcoming fag marriage vote in australia
who speaks up against this; in support of the fags?
you guessed it - a God dammed jesuit
"a" being the key word here.
yes like its "a" single example of many,
instances of contemporary jesuit subversiveness
in the past? maybe they were useful for heretical nations
now this order of skinny dippers is uncontested in their inner-ecclesial wickness
Ideally, the government would ask you nicely first, but if you persisted in promoting heresy, then maybe it's just for the best..
Jesuit-educated here, but I am still pissed how the Jesuits in my country went MUH PEACE and joined traitorous politicians in railroading a peace deal that was obviously disadvantageous to the Nation, a virtual surrender to terrorists, and ultimately promoted more violence and fear because it emboldened the terrorists while citizens armed up thinking the government will not protect them. Thankfully this madness was stopped and some of the traitors are no longer in power but remain unpunished.
Jesuits are crypto jews/masons. All the way back to its inception it was so. Ignatius De Loyola was literally known to be a Marrano, meaning crypto-jew.
I was at a wedding not long ago that took place in a Jesuit church. This place was loaded with occult pyramid symbology. My cousin's wife's family all look suspiciously merchant like, go figure.
These are one of the very worst of Khazar breeds, those that pretend to be Christians, wolves in sheeps clothing
I'm inclined to to side w/ >>514778 . From what I've read (and correct me if im wrong, im not well versed on this topic) but the Cathars refused to convert. They were forced to recant or were hanged, or burnt at the stake.
>After several decades of harassment and re-proselytising, and, perhaps even more important, the systematic destruction of their religious texts, the sect was exhausted and could find no more adepts. The leader of a Cathar revival in the Pyrenean foothills, Peire Autier was captured and executed in April 1310 in Toulouse. After 1330, the records of the Inquisition contain very few proceedings against Cathars. The last known Cathar perfectus in the Languedoc, Guillaume Bélibaste, was executed in the autumn of 1321.
why does this board only attract /pol/tards
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This post is kind of ironic considering that for most of the Jesuit's history, Jewish converts were explicitly forbidden from joining the Jesuits.
I guess the reason why they act like that is because they have dirt on them. I think that an issue in our denomination is that we have leaders who can't commit to being free of vice. If they leave the denomination or position then they're concerned that people will find Catholicism weak. If they try to deny the blackmailing, then hit-pieces will hit the credibility of the faith. So their best option is to subvert scripture to placate to blackmailers.
I feel that clergy is too fixated on having a "pure image" like golden materials and white robes, instead of showing proper steps to show that they're gradually transforming.