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8f2670 No.587590

He is an adulterer!

c62b69 No.587593

File: 238c8fe135d25b7⋯.jpg (36.56 KB, 407x556, 407:556, c4307dbc113dced84aa9872c91….jpg)

stop


9f4417 No.587594

>>587593

What's wrong with him (apart from denominational differences)? His moral teachings mirror the Bible.


2f0207 No.587597

>>587593

Jeremiah 23:29

Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?


f8183d No.587600

File: 5a1350d0408ca26⋯.gif (981.61 KB, 280x218, 140:109, japs.gif)

>>587590

>independent protties not agreeing on how to interpret scripture

>not agreeing on how to be a pastor and run a church

it's almost as if the bible doesn't interpret itself


9f4417 No.587603

>>587600

Nice logical fallacy.


f8183d No.587605

>>587603

that the bible doesn't interpret itself is self-evident, no argument needed

the symptoms of this brute fact are massive disagreements among the mass of heretics


9f4417 No.587608

>>587605

The belief that Orthodox Bible interpretation is correct based on the view that the Orthodox Church believes it to be correct is the fallacy. Circular argument with argumentum ad populum.


f8183d No.587613

>>587608

>the church that Christ started is wrong because no reason given, anyway lets see what some twice-removed heretics, circa 1500s, have to say


9f4417 No.587615

>>587613

There were always dissenters. Christianity has never been monolithic.


f8183d No.587616

>>587615

that doesn't negate the fact that the church christ started remains alive, albeit in schism, and the gates of hell will not prevail over it

the church was never any protestant denomination however, since such things are later inventions, later re-interpretations, later revisions of history


9f4417 No.587618

>>587616

Following the Bible was a later invention? Thank God the Bible is not obscured as it once was. The Bible was hidden from the people out of fear by men who feared the word of God.


f8183d No.587620

>>587618

>following the bible

>protestants just follow the bible ;)

kek

like how calvinists follow the bible, or how Anderson does? or how high Lutherans follow the bible or how liberal Lutherans follow the bible? or how Anglicans do, or how Charismatics do, or how Unitarians do or how Westborbo baptists do or how Quakers do?

if you diverge from Christs' church your reading of the bible is irrelevant, your gut is just wrong, and your thousands of sects can't save u


442c69 No.587621

>>587600

are you saying the orthodox leaders don't interpret the Bible but just make stuff up? Because you're right then.


442c69 No.587622

File: d243f90718163f2⋯.jpeg (53.98 KB, 543x363, 181:121, 81C9B610-5838-459C-B296-4….jpeg)

>>587620

>6 gorilloan denominations meme

Most believe at least pretty close but minor differences on issues

>Unitarians

rlly nigga? You know that's not true.


9f4417 No.587624

>>587620

You can add to that list how Orthodox follow the Bible, how Catholics follow the Bible. Again, it doesn't come down to numbers, but the truth. 12 Apostles versus the World. The Remnant of Revelation.


f8183d No.587625

>>587621

>are you saying the orthodox leaders don't interpret

interpretation guided by apostolic succession and authority which is responsible for the structuring, compilation and preservation of the bible itself.

>>587622

>minor differences

no.

the TULIP of calvinists is a total deal breaker, possibly worse than Unitarian nonsense.

>>587624

>You can add to that list how Orthodox follow the Bible, how Catholics follow the Bible.

no you can't because either Christ started a living, visible church that persists through history or the bible and his mission are wrong.

The protestant view of history actually falsifies Christianity by undermining his Church, similar to how the Mormon view that the "bible was corrupted" falsifies Christianity by undermining the bible.


442c69 No.587627

>>587625

>interpretation guided by apostolic succession and authority

Which you have no proof of and the Buble never talks about. The Buble just says the HG will guide you.

>which is responsible for the structuring, compilation and preservation of the bible itself.

So people in 300AD are resposible fir something written in 70AD even though they added extra books?

I wouldn't say that's as bad as calvinism. Full calvinists that believe God controls everything yes they're retarded but the ones that just believe God chose you to get saved and others not I still believe are wrong but I do see how you can get that from some verses.

>no you can't because either Christ started a living, visible church that persists through history or the bible and his mission are wrong.

Where does it say that that church in Matthew 16 would last forever? And that was in Jerusalem not where the orthodox church is. Also you have ti prove that you do have apostolistic succession and not the 33,000 other churches that claim they do.

>The protestant view of history actually falsifies Christianity by undermining his Church, similar to how the Mormon view that the "bible was corrupted" falsifies Christianity by undermining the bible.

So because I don't follow the church mentioned litterally one time in two verses out of all 39,000 verses of the Buble means I'm undermining Christianity?


a6dc0e No.587628

>>587594

>says homosexuals should kill themselves

>says God rejects people if they sin to much

>said (later recanted) that KJV Bible is God

>says Christ suffered an eternity in Hell

>Believes himself to be a prophet

<mirrors the Bible


9f4417 No.587629

>>587626

Again, you fall into logical fallacy.

>The Church is right because the Church says it's right.

You should try to show through scripture why they are right. As you know, the arguments been had, Protestants aren't convinced, and here we are.


442c69 No.587630

>>587628

>says homosexuals should kill themselves

Becauuse ghey deserve the death penalty

>says God rejects people if they sin to much

Jeremiah 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.

>said (later recanted) that KJV Bible is God

I don't agree with him on this

>says Christ suffered an eternity in Hell

3 days* He never said he's still there(besides Jesus is watching people burn but he himself is not)

>Believes himself to be a prophet

People that preach the right gospel are and if you preach another gospel then your a false prophet


f8183d No.587632

>>587627

>Which you have no proof of and the Buble never talks about. The Buble just says the HG will guide you.

>buble

it's spelled bible.

and the Church precedes the bible. Early Christians didn't have a KJV in their backpockets to pull out and argue verses over, not even medieval christians did that.

The bible and its teachings are supposed to be safeguarded and explained properly by Christs apostles and their successors.

Your random pastors and their modern heresies are not included in the grand mission.

>So because I don't follow the church mentioned litterally one time in two verses out of all 39,000 verses of the Buble means I'm undermining Christianity?

yes you're whole approach to the religion is wrong.

without a real, visible, lasting church the religion has no living teachers, it has no lineage that can transmit the correct interpretation. A book by itself, divorced from its apostolic and ecclesiastical context is just an instrument for confusion and subjective interpretations.


f8183d No.587633

>>587629

without a church you have no living religion. you just have an out of context book you borrowed from an actual religion.


a6dc0e No.587634

>>587618

>Church founded ~33 AD

>Apostles spread Gospel by word of mouth, do check ups and corrections by letter, some of these letters are lost, surviving ones put into Bible

>last book of Bible written ~100 AD, Church compiles Bible ~150 AD


a6dc0e No.587635

>>587630

>He never said he's still there

he said Jesus mystically suffered an eternity in Hell for us in one of his sermons


442c69 No.587636

>>587632

>and the Church precedes the bible. Early Christians didn't have a KJV in their backpockets to pull out and argue verses over,

They had the OT

>not even medieval christians did that.

Because it was illegal

>The bible and its teachings are supposed to be safeguarded and explained properly by Christs apostles

yes

>and their successors.

Doesn't say that

>without a real, visible, lasting church the religion has no living teachers, it has no lineage that can transmit the correct interpretation. A book by itself, divorced from its apostolic and ecclesiastical context is just an instrument for confusion and subjective interpretations.

Again you haven't proved that you do have apostolistic succession. Also even if you did that doesn't prove shit for your interpretation being correct, the goundidng fathers for America wrote the constitution and different presidents have different interpretations of it even though they have direct succession bak to Washington.


9f4417 No.587637

>>587633

Jesus never referred to a Church in Italy. Those who preach the word of God accurately form the real church.


442c69 No.587638

>>587634

>some of these letters are lost

Because they aren't scripture

>Church compiles Bible ~150 AD

Lretty sure it was 300AD

>he said Jesus mystically suffered an eternity in Hell for us in one of his sermons

I think you mean he webt to hell so we wouldn't have to go there forever


9f4417 No.587639

>>587637

Or Constantinople.

Let's pray for an edit option.


c62b69 No.587640

The ultimate truth of Christ is ultimately universial and completely independant from mans recognition of it, us practicing "religion" is simply doing justice to eternal law.


f8183d No.587641

>>587636

which specific verse in the bible says that scripture alone is the only source of doctrine, the only rule of faith and practice?

who made you think this was the case?


f8183d No.587642

>>587635

Yea, Anderson said in his interview with James White that Jesus was suffering in hell, he's also stated that the bible is literally God, interpreting John 1 as referring to the bible itself, he asked "what kind of name is "the Word?"" in regards to Jesus being called that. He thinks 'the Word' became flesh refers to the bible…i.e the Word became papyri.

He's a goofball


442c69 No.587643

>>587641

Wveryone that claims to have oraltradition always contradicts what the Bible teaches so I'll go with what scripture says over what is added. Also what does that have to do with what I posted?


442c69 No.587644

>>587642

I don't agree with Anderson on that but you think Jesus is a loaf of bread, that's even more autistic.


442c69 No.587645

>>587644

>>587643

Also this is completely iff topic from the thread


f8183d No.587646

>>587643

>Everyone that claims to have oraltradition always contradicts what the Bible teaches

I guess Paul was also contradicting the bible when he said:

"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter."

>>587644

>Jesus is a loaf of bread

No, but the eucharist is a spiritual mystery that is his blood and body. Jesus is not simply his blood and body, so it's silly to say "Jesus is a loaf of bread".

But scripture is clear on the importance of the eucharist and how it is truly his body. He said this while passing around bread and eating it, at a dinner setting, not metaphorically alluding to it while he was jogging outside.


442c69 No.587647

>>587646

>"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter."

Because not many people could read so they had to talk to people. Any actual doctrine was written down.

>But scripture is clear on the importance of the eucharist and how it is truly his body. He said this while passing around bread and eating it, at a dinner setting, not metaphorically alluding to it while he was jogging outside.

And you still think Jesus was made out of bread


9f4417 No.587648

>>587646

Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

Colossians 2:8


f8183d No.587649

>>587647

>Because not many people could read so they had to talk to people.

and not many people could read for hundreds and hundreds of years, hence the importance of tradition.

And even when people learned how to read they would still interpret things incorrectly, hence the importance of tradition for maintaining objectivity.

>>587647

>Col 2:8

>NLT

what a gross translation.

Anyway, nothing the apostles and their successors taught is an "empty philosophy". The Church's traditions guard against your heresies.


442c69 No.587650

>>587649

Many people didn't care about learning to read because reading the Bible was illegal for a long time. When they actually were allowed tonread it in their language then they cared about how to read.

>The Church's traditions guard against your heresies.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men


f8183d No.587653

File: d0702f602643050⋯.jpg (37.1 KB, 960x520, 24:13, DMh-l1dUEAAAvXR.jpg)

>>587650

>Many people didn't care about learning to read because reading the Bible was illegal for a long time.

no it wasn't, not in the east.

maybe in a few time periods, in western catholic countries, and I think only translating it required authorization, to protect against idiotic translations like how we have the WatchTower bible.

people could read bibles in their authorized languages just fine, what a dumb meme to spread. The problem was that people just couldn't read in general, illiteracy was superhigh

>>587651

because Christ said more than what was in the bible. Even John mentions this in his gospel. The fact that his Church can shed more light about the religion than scripture does is perfectly fine and natural. Scripture is a tool, a supplement, a manual, not the only rule of faith and doctrine.

anyway, which specific verse in the bible says that scripture alone is the only source of doctrine, the only rule of faith and practice?

who made you think this was the case?


442c69 No.587654

>>587653

Catholics did make it illegal and they executed William Tyndale for translating it

Not any actual doctrine that atleast wasn't written in an epistle. And the same could be saud about pretty much everything it's not like when someone writes a biography they i clude every single little detail


9f4417 No.587655

>>587653

Colossians 2:8 - we have to refer to Christ's thinking not human thinking. When we go outside the scripture as a guide, we are in danger. We have nothing else to trust but the revealed Word of God. I refuse to trust a mere man. That would be unsafe.


f8183d No.587657

>>587655

>Colossians 2:8

That verse doesn't establish scripture as the only rule of doctrine, faith or practice. Sola scriptura is a human tradition, not found in scripture.

If the word tradition is confusing you in Col 2:8, realize the godly traditions of the apostles and their successors are valid and not equivalent to the 'human traditions' outside the church.

Hence 2 Thess 2:15 speaks well of such godly traditions spread orally.


9f4417 No.587659

>>587657

Then we return the impasse. What teachings are from Christ and what are from human thinking?


f8183d No.587661

File: 8d39b04101a8c48⋯.jpg (364.61 KB, 1200x1800, 2:3, Владыка_Корнилий_8620-1.jpg)

>>587659

What his Church teaches is valid, what goes against his Church is invalid. What neither agrees nor disagrees with his Church is neutral and left up to speculation.

simple.


9f2f5a No.587667

>>587654

I would do the same, seeing what the fruits are: a million madmen pretending to have authority on any matter.

Protestants, mormons, JWs… all the same thing, same origin, same retardation in every single word.


9f4417 No.587668

>>587667

What should Martin Luther have done when he had his doubts and advice did not help those doubts?


979e40 No.587726

File: 4f1e395fc719104⋯.png (23.21 KB, 350x116, 175:58, autism-speaks.png)


d9b1be No.587730

>>587667

>I would do the same

wew lad


a1a4d8 No.587733

>>587628

>said (later recanted) that KJV Bible is God

that's cool, i didn't know he recanted that silliness.

anyone have a source for that?


cc319b No.587743

>>587600

>>587603

>>587605

>>587608

>>587613

>>587615

>>587616

>>587618

>>587620

>>587621

>>587622

>>587624

>>587625

>>587627

>>587629

>>587632

>>587633

>>587634

>>587636

>>587637

>>587638

>>587639

>>587641

>>587642

>>587643

>>587644

>>587645

>>587646

>>587647

>>587648

>>587649

>>587650

>>587653

>>587654

>>587655

>>587657

>>587659

>>587661

>>587667

>>587668

>>587692

>>587726

>>587730

The problem with this entire argument is that it's based on a false takeway from this video. In this video Anderson isn't interpreting scripture at all, nor is he interpreting it differently from Locke. Anderson is citing clear scriptures which require no interpretation. They are reified, the words they say can only mean one thing. One says that divorce and remarriage are adultery, and the other says church leaders must not commit adultery. Nobody disagrees on the meanings of these verses. Locke is ignoring these verses so he can follow after his own desires, and Anderson is reminding him of these clear teachings. It's not a difference based on Biblical readings


613ef0 No.587745

>>587667

>Anderson is evil because he thinks gays should die

<We should only kill people who read The Bible

How can anyone not see that this is Satanic? You are a Satanist. You are a worshipper and follower of Satan.


776080 No.587748

>>587733

More akin to, Jesus is the Word of God. The Bible is a testament to the Word. Not the actual Book(he threw the Bible on the floor) but the spoken Word is God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xKvdU0qgrs


a1a4d8 No.587750

>>587748

i've seen that video, i want to see where he recanted of it.


d9b1be No.587752

>>587748

He obviously means the words in the book, not any given physical copy. He's still saying that book is God


c1126b No.587795

>donatism

>2018

How many levels of heresy are IFBs on?


613ef0 No.587799

>>587795

I didn’t know having any standards for your clergy was Donatism. Do Catholics now allow priests to be divorced and remarried?


976215 No.587802

>>587628

let's be honest none of that is too drastic

Anderson is overall good but a bit of an extremist

he's too quick to judge on certain things and loves calling out people like Hovind who agree with him on 99% of things just because he got remarried


308f51 No.587806

>>587600

>lots of cathodox not agreeing on abortion

>lots of cathodox not agreeing on homosex

<Its almost like the church doesn't infallibly interpret scripture!

This is you, this is your argument.


712c35 No.587807

>>587806

>Liberal cancer that doesn't want to interprete the Bible in first place

>Cathodox

You're welcome to drive in to actual liberal churches with a whip if you want.


c9dd74 No.587808

>>587806

I don't know about Orthos but in Catholicism if you disagree with dogma you stop being Catholic, so "catholics" believing something different about abortion and homosex are cut off from the Church automatically, so your arguments is very lousy


308f51 No.587815

>>587807

I might take you up on that.

>>587808

And on sola scriptura every man is accountable directly to the scripture for how he submits to the clear teaching of scripture.

<John 12:48> "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."


46507e No.587828

File: 575021b52aba07c⋯.png (183.87 KB, 305x406, 305:406, jamesWhite.png)

File: 7315a921a580863⋯.png (125.79 KB, 1290x306, 215:51, Anderson_founderofChristCh….PNG)

>>587752

Same aruguement applies to my Phone. I have the True Word of God(TM), the King James Bible on my phone. The Word is God, my Phone isn't God. The Bible is the Word, and saved on my Phone. The Bible is still God but not the Phone.

The Physical copy, the papers and ink aren't God, but the Word is. A Bible is the collection of the sayings of the Holy Spirit.


f8183d No.587831

File: d7c2b2d62c43b9c⋯.jpg (59.55 KB, 351x351, 1:1, 1506648065402.jpg)

File: 70c224198ec54fe⋯.jpg (28.4 KB, 400x294, 200:147, 14eco3.jpg)

>>587828

>The Physical copy, the papers and ink aren't God, but the Word is. A Bible is the collection of the sayings of the Holy Spirit.

>It's not the paper, its the semantic information the paper contains that's literally God

thanks for the clarification but that's still freaken wrong


04da2a No.587837

>>587806

I've never heared such nonsense

Literally everyone in the Church agrees that abortion is murder and that homosexuality is an abomination. But we have and always had principle "hate sin, but not sinner"


46507e No.587838

File: 3f0123452754cf2⋯.png (127.94 KB, 365x343, 365:343, Baptist_tricks.png)

File: 3a8fefedac74fa5⋯.png (1.19 MB, 1304x880, 163:110, GenesisandGospel.png)

File: 0e24dfded7a7db5⋯.jpg (62.04 KB, 664x466, 332:233, Orthdox_spitGays.jpg)

File: bcb990721d8fce0⋯.jpg (24.63 KB, 500x357, 500:357, WorseThanAjew_Baptist.jpg)

>>587831

It's a meta-physical concept. Like math for example, the word of numbers if you will (I'm got all A's in Engineering math, not a brainlet).

If i write down 1+1 =2 on a piece of paper. Is that paper now actually adding 1+1? Is the Ink a 1? What is 1 anyway but a meta-physcial concept. You can have 1 of something, but 1 only exists in a meta-physical space.

Please let me know your objection and your reasoning for heresy, so that I know where your coming from, and if I'm wrong, I would like to be corrected (no is perfect expect for Christ Jesus).

Just posting meme images as well, don't take that into consideration.


2f0207 No.587853

>>587632

>has no living teachers, it has no lineage that can transmit the correct interpretation.

The Holy Spirit is real. Accept it. He is the one who gives the correct interpretation and He is living and very real. And I wish you would stop placing yourself in His role.


8d260f No.587858

>>587853

Yeah so why is there so many interpretations from different protestant denomination then ? Are only Baptists filled with the Holy Spirit then ?


2f0207 No.587859

>>587858

More like most people never read scripture.


46507e No.587860

File: 8b17b3a2daf25dc⋯.jpeg (122.64 KB, 637x817, 637:817, ExpectToRead.jpeg)

File: fb46866bf07ac3f⋯.png (369.85 KB, 680x673, 680:673, PopeMeme.png)

File: ba57d49da2d038e⋯.png (239.88 KB, 500x696, 125:174, readTheBible.png)

>>587858

If you are saved(not a process), you have the holy Spirit. Trust fully on Jesus Christ to save you.

>Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 

Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

What is it in these passages? It refers to salvation.

>Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 

Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 

Not many people will find eternal life. I was raised catholic, 12 years of catholic school, no read the Bible or attended church really. I joined a church, and thought they were saved pastors, but are Calvinists. It doesn't matter what denomination you are, most will not be saved.

Pastor Anderson is a true man of God, he fully trusts in the Bible, and the Bible is the WORD of God.

>Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Interpretations come from men choosing to trust the doctrines of men over what the Bible says.


cd26ee No.587861

>GREG LOCKE IS AN INCARNATION OF THE BIBLE

People like that usually had no hobbies, interests or passions in their life and the Bible gave them this, they hobby, their passion, is to tell people what to do.


04da2a No.587862

>>587860

>Pastor Anderson is a true man of God, he fully trusts in the Bible, and the Bible is the WORD of God.

>>Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

does someone have that expanding brain meme ending with "KJV is God"?


81502f No.587875

>>587838

The number 1 is an abstraction of all things that are singular. Its sort of a convenience so that you don't have to be talking about one apple or one car all the time; you can just talk about one.

I think it might be going a bit far to call it meta physics.


46507e No.587879

File: f698a3713ac0d57⋯.png (214.75 KB, 500x656, 125:164, Micky_freeWill.png)

>>587875

What is singular than 1 of something? What is plural than more than 1?

Math is meta-physical. Ideas are meta-physical. Emotions are meta-physical. meta-physical means they don't exist in the material realm or rather they go beyond what we can perceive.

It's the same way that I can say the WORD of God is the Bible, in that they are the testament of the inspired sayings of men working through the Holy Spirit.

I understood this as a child, I just come to realize many years later than most people could not really grasp this idea. The same way people don't understand that all beleief, even physics are based on faith(th), on knowledge that we cannot know.

>pic related


c1126b No.587882

>>587875

Get out constructivist REEEEEEEEE


81502f No.587884

>>587879

>What is singular than 1 of something? What is plural than more than 1?

Not sure I understand you here. Did you mean to say what is more singular than 1 and what is more plural than more than 1?

I feel like we're agreeing here and are just arguing over a misunderstanding.


46507e No.587885

>>587884

I didn't type the thing out properly. But an abstraction is a abstract thing a meta-physical thing if you will. They mean the same thing. 1 is a abstract concept of a singular thing, but what does it mean to be singular? To have 1 of something. What is one, an metaphysical idea.

It literally is circular reasoning, which is the basis for our belief in anything in the world.

I used to be atheist, and really into abstract maths, so might be hard to follow if you never thought about these things before.


81502f No.587887

>>587885

>They mean the same thing.

I don't know why you didn't just stop here. We agree. You say its a rectangle, I say its a square. Its both. Numbers are an abstraction, abstractions are meta physical.


044c6a No.587893

>>587838

Numbers have no actual existence outside of the mind. We don't live in a computer simulation, it's retarded to even think things that don't exist can have a metaphysical existence. It's like thinking language is actually metaphysical.


fffd16 No.587896

File: 5ebc2babdd46a23⋯.png (2.05 MB, 1280x1024, 5:4, Normalized_Iteration_Count….png)

>>587893

>Numbers have no actual existence outside of the mind.

*blocks your path*


044c6a No.587897

>>587896

Cool, definitions aren't explanations. Numbers only have a defining power and only exist when in relation to another thing. In other words, something that only exists because of something else can't be said to be existent at all.


46507e No.587903

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>>587893

The world is a simulation kind of. We live in God's world. The numbers and laws are all set in the fabric of the universe.

>Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 

God is real, but exists in a meta-physical realm. Existence for God is literally based on circular arguments, I have faith that he is Real.

Evidence for the ressurection of Christ, no matter how compelling, cannot prove he is God 2000 years later without you taking it on faith that it is true.

The laws of logic are circular as well, the fundamentals of the world are all meta-physical. Don't make it shaken faith, it only made me into a believer of the Gospel when I thought this out.


044c6a No.587906

>>587903

>The numbers and laws are all set in the fabric of the universe.

No. Like I've said, numbers can only exist when in relation to something else. The only thing we can do is define the universe, and from there we guess blindly at the underlying nature of the universe.


46507e No.587910

>>587906

But we don't define things. We don't define the absolute state of morality, God does. Math is absolute, 1+1 =2 is an absolute statement, will always be true. Why? God made the laws of math and logic to be consistent.

Everything is relative, in relation to God.


044c6a No.587920

>>587910

I don't think you actually understand what I'm saying, but stop worshiping math.


81502f No.587923

>>587906

>numbers can only exist when in relation to something else

I think you mean to say that numbers can only exist through something else.


044c6a No.587928

>>587923

Yes, but a minor correction: rather than through, think because.


46507e No.587932

>>587920

>>587923

I do not worship Math, I worship God.

I glory in his work in numbers.

How did God create the World? He spoke it through existence. And also:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

Numbers do exist because of God, the laws of physics and chemistry and logic, are all through the Word defining the existence we live in. All things were made through Jesus.


81502f No.587967

>>587932

Its alright buddy I never said you worship numbers.




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