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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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660ca6  No.751710

I've always found the placement of Adam, Eve and their progeny to be a point of contention among some in my family. Both sets of my grandparents are southern baptists who have a very literal understanding of the text. Despite this one set will continue to act as though other races are no kin of theirs or deserve subpar treatment, while the other tries their best to understand yet reverts to ideas such as the curse of Ham as an explanation for various phenomena, such as strange human fossils. Are we all of one blood (including fossil people), or do antiquated notions of "pre-adamites" still hold water today?

e61ca8  No.751714

File: 19eee57f65142a3⋯.png (712.11 KB, 847x1200, 847:1200, 4dbe602bb29022d7d42c97677d….png)


Yes, Anon. Only some humans are descended from Adam.

f0915f  No.751715

File: c0c696fc4a8446d⋯.jpg (27.59 KB, 453x453, 1:1, Disgusted_cat.jpg)


So humans existed before Adam?

e61ca8  No.751719


If we're using the commonly accepted definition of human, yes.

22fd37  No.751722

My view ( I don't know how common )

Adam and Eve, are the first Creations to know of God, they were created to be in his image; the first ones with a spiritual life and knowledge of him.

Those before had no such likeness to God, and those after are they but regressed into a state of before.

922daf  No.751724

I think it's more important to emphasize that we share a common ancienter with Noah more than Adam, especially those who likes to shoehorn 'intellect design' into Genesis.

ee24ea  No.751725


No, not possible if scripture is inerrant

e61ca8  No.751726


If scripture's inerrant then what the Bible refers to as human came into existence 6000 years ago and couldn't be every modern people.

f0915f  No.751732


>what the Bible refers to as human came into existence 6000 years

The same people who follow that school of thought also suggest the earth itself is just a few days older than them.

22fd37  No.751733



My view stays in line with them being the first humans

f0915f  No.751739

File: d4c2ecc9127b981⋯.jpg (58.33 KB, 541x467, 541:467, 9f23b77274390dfec9a528a347….jpg)


So they produced all races of the world, both past and present?

e61ca8  No.751743


Of course not. They were only around 6000 years ago. Human fossils are much older.

73d000  No.751746


>6000 years

This is based on extrapolation from Genesis genealogies. 6000 is the lower bound, not an exact known number.

>humans before Adam and Eve

No. There was no sin or death until Adam and Eve.

e61ca8  No.751748


>the genealogies add up to 6000

>therefore it's not 6000


bf5c34  No.751760


Wasn't there something about the genealogies skipping over certain people? I recall my Bible teacher bringing something like that up

22fd37  No.751765


Human is a state of being, it's not an evolutionary trait.

816835  No.751766


I doubt it, doubly so if a Bible teacher said it.

bf5c34  No.751768


So there's no concrete way to say what's human and what isn't?


You misunderstand, I went to a overtly Christian high school, and he was a believer just as you or I.

816835  No.751770


So did I. I learned most of what they taught were lies.

22fd37  No.751778


>So there's no concrete way to say what's human and what isn't?

Those that were born after the flood of Noah are all human.

f0915f  No.751780


And how would you go about determining what's pre or post-flood exactly?

816835  No.751781


The flood was local.

22fd37  No.751782


Not a Biblical standard.


You asked for a concrete way, I was providing you with a concrete way.

Before the flood of Noah, the only Truthful way is the genealogy that is found of Noah and his family, other than that we would be geussing

f0915f  No.751783


>You asked for a concrete way, I was providing you with a concrete way.

<the genealogy that is found of Noah and his family

<no reference for what any of them even looked like

How is this even concrete, m8?

bcc092  No.751784

File: b7f97dc7a50f248⋯.jpg (161.85 KB, 1000x730, 100:73, 1529086335150.jpg)

>Bible literalists


>taking Genesis as fact instead of a methaphor

>believing Adam and Eve were real proto-super-people instead of allegories to human nature

>believing the Earth is 6000 years old

816835  No.751785


Psalm 104 says it was local.

22fd37  No.751786


Timelines anon. I don't believe physical things define humans

22fd37  No.751787


It doesn't.

922daf  No.751789


Even Jesus knew Adam was real.

971b14  No.751793


I assume the man who left his flock to find the one sheep was too, all of those were historical because He talked about them right?

bcc092  No.751796


Don't forget that Jesus is really a door.

922daf  No.751797


The language Christ used when referring adam cannot read as a metaphor and those who have a brain & gained salvation knows this.

bcc092  No.751798


And I guess you're one of those blessed saints of illumination so far higher above us, aye?

b332ce  No.751801


>tracing genealogies for historical figures from a metaphorical one

what a strange stylistic decision

bcc092  No.751802


The stranger part is how people had written geneologies before there was even writing.

b332ce  No.751803


Don't see how, cultures with oral traditions love genealogies.

922daf  No.751808


No. I, along with most Christians, are just not illiterate enough to disagree the Son of God words.

bcc092  No.751810


I bet you are and/or are not.

cca69a  No.751875

There were never pre adamites. Genesis is quite clear. Adam and Eve were the very first human beings ever and everyone including tiggers came from them. This is a Catholic Dogma. To accept the strict Darwinist position is heresy.

and let's lot forget that science is subjective and experimental results need to be interpreted by humans thus subject to the ideals of that person

t.almost a scientist.

cca69a  No.751877



Actually one can assume the flood was local, since the word used is "all the land" which might mean a limited area.

But what must be believed is that all humans perished besides Noah's family.

cca69a  No.751879


>>believing Adam and Eve were real proto-super-people instead of allegories to human nature

Then there's no mortal sin and therefore no need for Christ.

You are rejecting a Catholic Dogma btw if you are one. Even the Vatican II affirms that same thing.

c079de  No.751886


Yes they can, because the whole Earth is younger than believed by mainstream science.nall human beings are descended from Adam and Eve.



>Anime image

>Wrong opinion


Yes, but the image you posted is an ape, either Australopithecus or "Homo" habilis.p, the false god of the materialists.

I recognize you, OP. You always make this thread with the exact same images. It's been a while, I suppose I should have been worried about you.

cca69a  No.751892


Genesis doesn't imply a young earth tbh.

One day to God is like 1000 years and 1000 years are like a day to God. So the current big bang theory is almost a proof for creationism like pope Pius XII even believed, although he was discouraged by Laîmatre because like all scientific theories one day we might find it was wrong.

The main points in genesis are. God alone created to whole Universe and God created man, not by evolution or other shit. He created man in a definite point in time, he is a new creature created by God, different from all living beings, endowed with a soul and that creature was imortal until the day Adam and Eve (real and historical characters) sinned against God and death was the punishment for what they did.

What happened before about how the solar system evolved or other stuff that's up to the imagination of men since the bible doesn't teach us astrophysics.

But if there are something in natural sciences that are against the sacred science than they are false.

The Truth cannot be against the Truth. And personally I prefer to believe in the Holy Spirit than a bunch of radical Darwinists like black "science" fraud man.

5de78d  No.751893

File: cc585efe8101bbe⋯.jpg (110.02 KB, 950x931, 50:49, ....jpg)


> in Relation to Modern Races

Don't say the T-Word

5750ec  No.751899


<5 And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Gen. 1:5 NAS)

<8 And God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. (Gen. 1:8 NAS)

<13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (Gen. 1:13 NAS)

<19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. (Gen. 1:19 NAS)

<23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. (Gen. 1:23 NAS)

<31 And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. (Gen. 1:31 NAS)

bcc092  No.751919




I could not care less about your interpretation of doctrine.

Also, either or Adam and Eve were real, it does not remove mortal sin.

bcc092  No.751920


>If there are something in natural sciences that are against the sacred science than they are false

God have mercy for me if I ever beat some sense into morons like this.

5750ec  No.751925


because his grammar makes him incoherent?

c079de  No.751928


Why would you value the wisdom of man over the wisdom of God? The Bible keeps turning out to be correct anyway, like the city of Ur being real, and the the Bible saying that the ocean has deep valleys and mountains even though nobody had built a submarine.

cca69a  No.751954


No? Then who sinned? How come is everyone affected by the original sin? Did the homo erectus decided all of them to disobey God?

And what about Seth? Did he exist? Or Enoch? Who were their parents?


Says who? The schismatics sedevacants? They are at on with you rejecting church authority.

cca69a  No.751957


God have mercy on retards like you who probably don't even know how to solve a simple differential equation, yet believe tha science can't be wrong or that science is objective.


816835  No.751969


It does.

6a440e  No.752001


>certain bits of info are correct, or at least appear so

<totally means a literalistic interpretation is always the best policy, every last bit of nuance be damned

Is this really the hill you wanna die on, Anon?

e147b5  No.752003


The creation part isn't an issue, but claiming that all humans come from Adam/Noah gets a little hard.

bcc092  No.752025

File: d31166b60656f78⋯.jpg (24.4 KB, 421x640, 421:640, 1385922-marshall.jpg)


I don't know. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't a monkey or a very special guy from 6k years ago.


God have mercy on us all, anon.

0aaac6  No.752126

File: 1b07ecf06611383⋯.jpg (69.43 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, DrkxBBwXcAEtBGz.jpg)


I take it you're thinking of someone more like one of these then?

8c3078  No.752139

816835  No.752175


Because it’s winnie the pooh stupid.

8c3078  No.752189


Why is that? Do you think they were created with bad recessive genes? Inbreeding wouldn’t be a problem with a perfect genome.

736d38  No.752197


You think they started as Super Saiyans and devolved into tiggers?

8c3078  No.752210


No, they started as biologically perfect humans.

Do you believe different types of humans evolved separately, with a male and female of that type appearing at the exact same time, and yet able to interbreed and produce viable offspring with other types?

All humans are descended from the same two ancestors.

6414aa  No.752237

File: 057d9b629872348⋯.jpg (68.74 KB, 532x600, 133:150, 99623376.jpg)


>All humans are descended from the same two ancestors

Begs the question of what they'd look like.

c079de  No.752246


Adam looked like Christ.

e147b5  No.752254


A&E would seem ok if it was just the caucasion/mid-east/north-african/asian world… but then there's sub-saharan blacks, australoid aborigines etc which must be some serious mutation levels to change that quick (or is it curse of ham?) Or was it the Tower of Babel dispersal that mutated different peoples?

I mean you need some reasonable explanations here so you don't come off like a quack prot.

7596c9  No.752256

File: c5027f20a3e089c⋯.jpg (58.03 KB, 620x668, 155:167, 10414577_10202541405832203….jpg)


You seen the lengths these people go to for this stuff? It's nothing but crackpots

be7b5d  No.752258

File: 1397c30314d17fc⋯.jpg (46.67 KB, 1080x259, 1080:259, Screenshot_20190105-202109….jpg)


You're stupid if you're challenging the Bible

c079de  No.752330

File: e49dbcadcdf417b⋯.jpg (18.12 KB, 320x240, 4:3, image.jpg)

File: 4b630c4685abe04⋯.jpg (86.09 KB, 513x266, 27:14, image.jpg)


Sub-Saharan blacks and Australian Aboriginal y-chromosomal origins can still be traced back to a common origin.

>But they're ugly

still more similar than pugs and borzois, which are still the same species with fairly recent divergence.

>so you don't come off like a crack prot

You realize the Catholic Church recognizes all men as being descended from Adam, right?

e147b5  No.752345


Look I also 'believe' in adamic descent but two icelandic people aren't gonna give birth to a lebron james within 1, 2 or 10 generations.

>But they're ugly

Their looks don't bother me.

It's that you're telling people something that isn't backed by observable logic.

41c45b  No.752346

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Not even Prot.. but even Anderson isn't retard-tier like other Baptists.

c079de  No.752349


Sub-Saharan Africans exist today, but we do NOT have record of jet-black wool-headed Africans only two generations after Noah. Negroid-type Africans origins could probably be traced back to the people of the Land of Punt, the ancient Libyans, descended from Phut, son of Ham. But they weren't quite as delineated as the blacks of more recent history. There were many, many generations between Ham and the ancient Libyans, and many more between the ancient Libyans and the people of equatorial Africa. I'm not saying that it was only a couple generations.

be7b5d  No.752393


Which Baptists are you referring to?

b4c548  No.752532

File: 9605a20fbac76a5⋯.jpg (77.05 KB, 960x720, 4:3, Human variation since Noah.jpg)

>people buy into this

e147b5  No.752564

As i said, it's the negroid that destroys most people's belief in it. And isn't the african different to the australoid negro? The curse of ham must be color or else it's a big stretch to say natural mutation.

The irony now though is that the modern left is trying to say 'one human race' which agrees with christianity, but goes against the old eugenic left.

b3b819  No.752573

File: f53dac9b7539ab1⋯.jpg (53.76 KB, 640x640, 1:1, DQK6836UQAA6WGc.jpg)




I assume the verse you are referring to is 104:9, in which ESV states that there were "boundaries" set that the waters could not pass. If so please do not pull pieces out of context like that the verses 6,7,8 all talk about the water "sinking down" into the earth. Canopy theory. The boundaries that were placed were so that the waters could not come back "up" out of the earth already after it had receded.

1aa446  No.752577


>The boundaries that were placed were so that the waters could not come back "up" out of the earth already after it had receded.

This is a fanfic.

b3b819  No.752582

File: e9e44c292a4f99e⋯.jpg (22.69 KB, 412x309, 4:3, canopy_theory.jpg)


>not an argument

The verse says the waters may not cover "the earth" again in ESV and KJV so the boundaries referred to are after the flood waters receded.

1aa446  No.752585


No it's referring to Noah's flood.

>The concept of a global Genesis flood can be easily eliminated from a plain reading of Psalm 104,1 which is known as the "creation psalm." Psalm 104 describes the creation of the earth in the same order as that seen in Genesis 1 (with a few more details added). It begins with an expanding universe model (reminiscent of the Big Bang) (verse 2,1 parallel to Genesis 1:1). It next describes the formation of a stable water cycle (verses 3-5,1 parallel to Genesis 1:6-8). The earth is then described as a planet completely covered with water (verse 6, parallel to Genesis 1:9). God then causes the dry land to appear (verses 7-8,1 parallel to Genesis 1:9-10). The verse that eliminates a global flood follows: "You set a boundary they [the waters] cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth." (Psalm 104:9)1 Obviously, if the waters never again covered the earth, then the flood must have been local. Psalm 104 is just one of several creation passages that indicate that God prevented the seas from covering the entire earth.2 An integration of all flood and creation passages clearly indicates that the Genesis flood was local in geographic extent.

9db40c  No.752586

File: 97addbe04139def⋯.jpg (209.79 KB, 1425x952, 1425:952, OTcosmos.jpg)


>that pic

Literally a heliocentric rehash of this

b3b819  No.752603


That's interesting I didn't consider the "first covering" of the earth to be at creation in this Psalm (?). The earlier verses certainly allude to setting the pillars of the earth. What is your citation? The other counter-point to a local flood would be God's covenant with Noah to never again destroy "all flesh."

1aa446  No.752604

b3b819  No.752624


Cool article, but I feel it is splitting hairs some here. I mean, planet earth is still covered some 70%-ish with water today. If there were some elevated places poking out during the deluge that's kind of moot. The point being that "all flesh" was destroyed. The argument stated about Noah being righteous/blameless contradicting this is a stretch, as all are sinful and fall short.

cca69a  No.752658

a85f5c  No.755074

File: e0a5c872133db09⋯.jpg (119 KB, 1000x318, 500:159, ferrassie4191_4193pansm (1….jpg)

So will we be seeing Neanderthals in heaven or no?

1c21d7  No.755151


Yes. Descended from Adam, interbred with your ancestors probably, unless you're one of the rare Africans who's ancestors were never bleached.

e71052  No.755155


>antiquated notions of "pre-adamites"

What the hell are you talking about? The Christian Identity idea that blacks were created as beasts before Adam is strictly a modern idea

734cb0  No.755262

File: 31698a96f067502⋯.jpg (456.65 KB, 1746x403, 1746:403, Adam(s) and Eve(s).jpg)


>Descended from Adam

That a person or a people in this scenario?

73fdab  No.755296


Adam was a single man as the Holy Writ attests and the Church confirms.

06365b  No.755318


You're going to get the exact same answers as you have every last time you've made this exact same thread.

41dc69  No.755335

File: 701353dafef4c2b⋯.jpg (79.22 KB, 555x685, 111:137, GL_GM_PC_95.jpg)


So what was he exactly? Did he look something like this, or was he a more robust odd-looking fellow?

9ca38d  No.755380

File: 9953893ccdb5cc1⋯.jpg (71.37 KB, 528x800, 33:50, 27042775_1701080939952575_….jpg)


I'm more curious what you think he looked like, or rather what he was.

ef66f6  No.755435


>scripture is inerrant

It isn't. the belief that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God is idolatry. It's also ridiculous "your eternal God has already said everything that he's ever going to say and it's in this book here!" That was a con to control the Christian religion, and it worked. One of the tragedies that arose from that idolatrous belief is that most Christians have never read the Book of Enoch. The book of Enoch is quoted, paraphrased, and referred to hundreds of times in the bible. The children of Israel had the book of Enoch at the time Moses wrote the torah. The Roman church excluded the book of Enoch from the bible because the book of Enoch described the fall of the angels in detail and that description alerts us to the plans of Satan all throughout history and they didn't want Christians to be aware of that.

e5f895  No.755461

File: 2d602547c99ec71⋯.jpg (1.65 MB, 1876x1730, 938:865, Children of Adam.jpg)


Depends on where you draw the line on humanity. To me it isn't in a look, so a son of Adam could have a nose flat upon his face or even a crest upon his head. I don't use fleshy reconstructions either, I prefer to let people develop their own mental image based upon what they are shown. Am I the norm? Not really, but it's not gonna stop me.

183331  No.755476

File: b2d6bd671e1e250⋯.jpg (42.65 KB, 500x500, 1:1, into-lake-of-fire-trash-it….jpg)


>do antiquated notions of "pre-adamites"

< … still being alive today …

>still hold water today?



>Not necessarily heresy

Who else did Cain and Seth draw wives from? Though, they were merely human in appearance, not human in the sense of being Adam's progeny.

But EVERY one of those progeny, indeed EVERY human being alive today is descended from one man … Noah. And we know Noah descended from Adam for we have his genealogy.

So, all this shit about "muh sub-humans" is heretical nonsense and belongs you know where

36da01  No.755493

File: 5d556470d830063⋯.jpg (879.19 KB, 1835x753, 1835:753, 20190113_022535.jpg)


>Who else did Cain and Seth draw wives from?

I've seen incest suggested, but we both know that's bullshit

>But EVERY one of those progeny, indeed EVERY human being alive today is descended from one man … Noah

This using the global flood, or a local one? If local, we already have people in the Americas long before and present after it…unless you don't consider them people.

06365b  No.755530


It isn't idolatry, it's dogma.

49df08  No.755564


All humanity is descended from one set of parents (Adam/Eve).

However, God scattered the races/peoples after the Tower of Babel. I would guess that this was the time that the races became different.

61dcac  No.755569


I'm a Catholic so there goes your argument.

That Adam and Eve existed and all the mankind came from them only is a dogma of Faith.

18136f  No.755657

File: f114745602890a2⋯.png (187.47 KB, 772x506, 386:253, Capture.PNG)

What do you guys think about this post? I posted it in a "le Christcuck" thread.

5fbbce  No.755665


The most retarded shit I've read in my life.

Yes Jesus wasn't a blond haired Aryan, He on account of his human natura was a semite with brown skin similar to the people that live in the ME today. Nor were the apostles and most of the early Saint. Yep. St. Moses the Black was a tigger and he is in heaven unlike Hitler that is very very likely in hell, unless he had a perfect contrition while the bullet was winnie the pooh his winnie the pooh. St. Augustine was a berber from northern Africa.

Only after the 11th century is that most saints are Europeans.

Christianity is a world religious and tiggers and the chinks and even abbos are human beings endowed with a rational soul and thus if they follow Christ co-heirs with us of the Heavenly Kingdom.

18136f  No.755669

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Are you okay anon? you sound confused.

Revelation 1:14

Aboriginals, Mongoloids, and Negroes literally have no knowledge of good and evil it is obvious if you observe their indigenous customs. You probably didn't even look at the verses quoted.

Pic related is what Jesus looked like.

18136f  No.755670

File: eb11a7512447d9d⋯.jpg (42.45 KB, 1000x563, 1000:563, download.jpg)

5fbbce  No.755687


Wtf are you high or something? Back to /pol/

905912  No.755696



b5138c  No.755765



you answered ur own q

473f68  No.755773


No I'm asking him since he's using an Old Earth interpretation for where Adam's children got wives, so I'm wondering if his version of the flood varies as greatly

67a6f0  No.755854

File: 8ef6f40389fe846⋯.jpg (617.51 KB, 1879x665, 1879:665, Adamites.jpg)


Looking back on this, I feel like I didn't answer it directly. Something like any of these would be quite close to what he'd look like for me, though they may not be the man himself. I doubt we'd ever find his remains out there, given the present terrain.

18136f  No.756552

File: 9a8bc4dcdf3d6c2⋯.jpeg (30.39 KB, 251x236, 251:236, FC68036A-A20E-4995-A467-8….jpeg)

9fed2e  No.756557

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


The Sumerians, Cimmerians, and Scythians are three obvious Israelite connections to Aryan peoples. This video talks about a lot of books that might help you.

18136f  No.756566


Do you know if there is a book that fully encompasses it that also synergizes mythological aspects that are allegories to the Bible? I’m thinking about dedicating a few years to writing a book on it, but I’m not sure if it exists already.

9fed2e  No.756573


If it does I haven't found it.

18136f  No.756575



This whole reconstruction is basically an allegory to biblical events with a little bit of animism.

18136f  No.756593

File: 8406807e53fdc36⋯.png (1015.39 KB, 1000x1105, 200:221, A4939E6A-05DB-4CFD-87E3-5D….png)

File: 6c9bfcb1a74edb7⋯.jpeg (48.93 KB, 395x220, 79:44, EC57E652-8E6C-4411-AFC5-F….jpeg)


Pic related.

Luke 10:18-19; And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Also set and apep is the same story, people don’t mention set because he is a minor Egyptian god, but that is only because Egyptians didn’t have much thunder. Each god is decided it’s place in the hierarchy based on location which is why the sun is the chief of the Egyptian pantheon.

9fed2e  No.756609

18136f  No.756614


Yeah I wish there was someone in history who would’ve chronicled this stuff. That presentation is pretty good.

18136f  No.756626


I wish he would add more Old Testament genealogy like Terah Abraham’s father being from Persia and worshipping other gods (most likely some form of vedism given the intense similarities between Old Testament and Vedic practices). Also every physical discription of the Israelites is that of them having aryan features.

9fed2e  No.756650



>Terah Abraham’s father being from Persia and worshipping other gods (most likely some form of vedism given the intense similarities between Old Testament and Vedic practices).

That would make the Israelites a breakaway civilization/religion from Vedism. That's very interesting and really explains the obsession with the number twelve in the Bible. I wonder if Jacob intentionally tried to have exactly twelve sons and Jesus intentionally picked exactly twelve disciples, all because of the 12 signs of the zodiac (or whichever primitive religious symbol preceded it.)

18136f  No.756674

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Well not exactly vedism because vedas were written during the expansion from the Indus Valley branch of the aryans into india, when they were invading the Indian subcontinent, so they both most likely have a shared root instead of the Bible being a refined Vedic tradition. The vedas practically follow the psalm structure and their animal sacrifice parallels that of the Old Testament. Also Arpaschad seems to me like a proto Vedic name, and Noah landed on mount Ararat in the Caucasus in Armenia and all proto indo European maps point to somewhere just bordering the Black Sea as the location for the common ancestor of all aryans.

If you look at the paleo Hebrew script it is obvious that it is a variant of proto info European script given that all European alphabets derive from phonecian.

5e11f6  No.756886

>posting all this pseudohistorical occultism in a good Christian ancient man thread

Pls go

ed5a9e  No.756894


I would venture to say that this archetype comes from the prophecy in Eden, that the fruit of the woman would crush the serpent’s head.

42e519  No.756909

File: 0050e7eb1154a1e⋯.png (237.85 KB, 1086x711, 362:237, gender_symbols.png)


I swear I can't see that paleo Hebrew script without thinking of this …

b85e39  No.756922



I thought that's a Reddit tier joke about pokemons unknown but it's even worse.

18136f  No.756930


In no way am I validating the worship of idolaters, I am simply stating that within all mythology is history if you simply cut out the animistic principles. It may be esoteric but the truth is known through all the sons of Noah and we see allegories to the truth in all of their myths. All of Noah’s genealogy is attributed to proto European nations.


e13fe6  No.756933


>all of Noah’s genealogy is attributed to proto European nations

And what of the others, like Africans, Australians, Americans, and the various islander groups? Do they just not have a place?

18136f  No.756939

File: 5426859a9d1471f⋯.jpeg (114.58 KB, 500x600, 5:6, 30FF95C4-8F82-4BF6-BCF5-2….jpeg)


They are not even sons of Adam, they are advanced hominids but they are closer to apes. Native Americans are Asians. Asians have an extensive history of intermingling with aryans, I would even say that buddha who was an aryan is responsible for advancing civilization in Asian countries.


ed5a9e  No.756941


They are descendants of Adam. They can literally be traced to the same founding ancestor in the ME.

18136f  No.756942

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


You can possibly tell me that these people have knowledge of good and evil.

18136f  No.756943

18136f  No.756944


Show me the proof that they are genetically the same as aryans. There is no linking them with the sons of Noah.

e13fe6  No.756946


This is why I said occultism, though perhaps there's a more apt term I can't think of at this time, this is the same shit the Nazis tried to prove so they could justify their supposed cleansing. You using aryan as though it holds any weight is definitely a red flag. All people currently living, and even extinct groups of the ancient past, are sons of Adam.


>haha look how different these people raised on the fringes of the modern world act from everyone else

Why not show Americans doing the same thing? Oh right, that'd shoot your argument in the foot


Give me genetic data that suggests the title of "aryan" is anything other than something Euros made up to feel special

18136f  No.756947

File: e3866efc2991b82⋯.jpeg (58.08 KB, 500x510, 50:51, 6F08DCC8-4932-4C94-A439-E….jpeg)

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Genesis 1:11; And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

There is no way for an aryan to produce another race after even 10,000 generations it is simply impossible to get this much genetic difference if they had the same ancestor.

e13fe6  No.756949


>there is no way for an aryan to produce another race

And we've reached the root of the issue, you're implying they were basal stock rather than the derived descendants of another group. Actually read something that isn't a glorified blogpost

ed5a9e  No.756951



Read it. Then read your Bible. All Homo sapiens are descent did of Noah’s 3 sons.

ed5a9e  No.756953


Are are literally of the same “kind”. Donkeys and horses are of the same kind. Bison and buffalo are if the same kind. Dogs and wolves are even closer. It’s the same with people.

e13fe6  No.756955


"Kinds" is the worst possible argument to use for this shit honestly, but I like the effort

18136f  No.756957

File: bdd6e4ee8f0c83c⋯.jpeg (37.5 KB, 310x570, 31:57, 530684E5-69CD-4D7C-82DB-D….jpeg)


>unironically claiming the out of Africa theory is true

Genesis 8:4; And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

>implying humans derived from pic related

I’m no longer going to produce facts that show that there is no genetic linking to aryans from any of the other “human” races that doesn’t rely on intermingling after the fact.

ed5a9e  No.756958


I mean the Greek and Hebrew for the same “kind” doesn’t mean exact same identical phenotype.

18136f  No.756960


The arguments you produce rely on jargon and psuedoscientifical theory, I can’t believe I even fell for your bait. You have no quoted the Bible or any scientific research in any of your cases you are literally grasping at straws. I’m done replying to you.

ed5a9e  No.756963


I quoted the Bible, you just ignored it because it was inconvenient. All mankind is stated as being descended from Adam, and can be traced to Noah’s sons in the Yable of Nations. The Ethiopians are explicitly shown to be descended from Ham, and those in the ME and Mediterranean from Shem and Japheth. There are no other “human like” creations. Literally no Christian believed there were until the Jews spread chattel slavery to the West.

e13fe6  No.756964

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>Genesis 8:4; And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

I really don't get how this works. So you're saying Noah took beings that looked like him with a different complexion and facial structure on the ark as though they were animals?

>>implying humans derived from pic related

<implying that doesn't make them human as well

>no genetic linking to aryans from any of the other “human” races that doesn’t rely on intermingling after the fact.

Doesn't the fact we can all interbreed kind of render your point of them being separate moot? If they can mate and produce viable offspring, they're both human.


That's true, I've just seen a lot of crazy stuff using kinds as an actual benchmark despite it having no consistency.

18136f  No.756974

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Jeremiah 31:27; Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Both Egyptians and Ethiopians were aryan in ancient times, the sumerians also descended from ham.

18136f  No.756976



I’m saying that Noah probably had other hominids that looked like pic related on the ark and after hundreds of thousands of years they adapted to their climate and developed different attributes over time. You know humans can breed with chimps right? That doesn’t mean that chimps are human.

e13fe6  No.756977


>Jeremiah 31:27; Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

<if I interpret it the way I want, humans produced offspring with animals

>blue eyed royalty, and swastika shit


>flood of Noah was eons ago

What the hell, man

>You know humans can breed with chimps right?

Russians attempted it to turn the tide in the war, but it never produced anything. Try again, kraut

18136f  No.756982

File: bc5e446b9b26cdb⋯.jpeg (62.66 KB, 850x400, 17:8, 8CB15C01-0F60-49D1-A142-7….jpeg)


You have managed to win the argument by ignoring every fact and resorting to mindless platitudes, I commend your victory.

c76624  No.756997


Glad you decided to zip your lip and let the adults talk.

ed5a9e  No.757004


>You know humans can breed with chimps right?

Give sources, liar.

5fbbce  No.757018



Nice bait lol.

b5138c  No.757674

File: 27f7e4ffaea4470⋯.png (560.25 KB, 800x800, 1:1, opinion-disgarded-back-to-….png)

ITT /pol/ comes and spouts some shit opinions

mods do nothing

79456c  No.757679

File: 912089fb32e9866⋯.png (1009.23 KB, 600x1067, 600:1067, let's go boys.png)


If Aryans aren't real then how come is India going to be superpower in 2020?

cee0c7  No.758020


>judging a thread because one shitposter kept on with his aryan shite

c256db  No.758315


"Do you believe different types of humans evolved separately, with a male and female of that type appearing at the exact same time, and yet able to interbreed and produce viable offspring with other types?"

Rh- (no monkey blood) women cannot produce a child from an Rh+ (monkey blood) male. They cannot interbreed = different species.

922b46  No.758322


No, sorry. An Rh- woman can still be pregnant with an Rh+ child. The problem is that antibodies attack the child’s blood. Nice try, though.

7880b1  No.758330


You didn't prove that anon wrong. If anything you proved him right. The baby won't survive in that womb because Rh- is not compatible with Rh+.

Ergo, they can't breed.

922b46  No.758335


Not at all. In the case of interspecies breeding, the ovum won’t be fertilized at all. Not the same as antibodies attacking an embryos blood. They are not the same thing.

922b46  No.758339


Allow me to correct myself. In most cases of interspecies breeding, a hybrid would not be produced. Where one is produced, is is almost always infertile, or can only breed back with one side of the stock.

c256db  No.758359


You can try to define your way around it, but the fact is, they can't have offspring because their differences are too great. They are dissimilar creatures who are incapable of reproducing naturally.

922b46  No.758372


I’m not “defining my way around it”, it’s fundamentally different on a base level from how different animals cannot interbreed.

b3ec30  No.759016

Oh I just remembered another odd point of contention: the curse of Ham. My grandmother believed that it could've led to the rather odd appearance of these individuals, but considering these forms are found in both a Eurasian and an African context, I told her that couldn't be the case. Was I wrong for correcting her?

943507  No.759096



this whole diatribe about "aryan" is just too idiotic. what do you mean by "aryan"? R1 haplogroup Yamnaya people? or the "white" variants of these? I'll go with former.


Sumerian civ arguably started around 4000BC, whereas Yamnaya culture (culture, not a civilization, mind you) started around 3000BC. and the sumerian y-haplogroup is largly J,M, and possibly G2a and T. Not R at all.

>Cimmerians, and Scythians

>a nomad in 1000BC in Ukrainian steppe

obviously they are of yamnaya people. and?

modern genetic studies are incredibly robust and groundbreaking. people, please stop the nonsense and actually research and read papers, instead of watching nonsense boomer-tier youtube vidoes with no original content at all.

9d5444  No.759102


>inb4 flood of "research papers" from that one self-publishing Ruski bugger in response

943507  No.759105


this board, although interesting and shines different opinions, whenever it comes to "race, muh aryans 1488", it becomes literal retards. never saw any analytic analysis of modern haplogruop for the root of humans. never saw anyone talking about multireigionalism with utmost academic veracity. if you wanna argue that mongolois/aboriginals/amerindians are "not descended" from adam, bring some multiregionalism papers. but wait, the field literally bootstrapped about ten years ago and still needs years till we draw any "conclusive" conclusion.

all the "evidences" here are just some half-ass baked blogpost with some shitty infographics with no source, and if theres any sources, some garbage from pre-2000 that probably debunked.

also mythology - what about some linguistic reconstructist papers with newest archaeological finidings to reconstruct PIE? nope, not a single argument/opinion about it.what an utter tosh.

8fb057  No.759137


Oh no, I'm not him. I have more of a focus on paleoanthropology, and tend to stay as far away from forums and blogs filled with ethnocentric tripe, or pseudohistorical accounts of the ancient past as I can.

464c3c  No.761081

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This. I poured over Genesis (KJV) for some evidence of humans being created before Adam, and the verses that may seem to be referring to pre-Adamites are actually all referring to Adam preemptively.

A friend of mine years ago explained that geological and radiometric dating is based on assumptions about the energy (Heat, humidity, mechanical force) which went into a given deposit. So, if you increased the temperature or humidity (Genesis mentions that there was no rain, and vapors came up from the Earth,) you decrease the time it takes to make them. Also, changes in pH could erode deposits, destroying entire eras of geologic and paleologic history.

This means that just because a human fossil is 7000 years old according to Evolutionists, doesn't mean that as Creationists we can copy-paste this 7000 year date.

Motala man is the first pale, blue eyed blond white person in history - he was a homozygote for SLC24A5, and SLC45A2, and, curiously, a carrier of the derived EDAR allele which today is common in East Asians and produces thick hair follicles. He dates to about 7000 years ago, supposedly;


>We find a surprise in six Scandinavian hunter-gatherers (SHG) from the Motala site in southern Sweden. In three out of six samples, we observe the haplotype carrying the derived allele of rs3827760 in the EDARgene

>The EDAR derived allele is largely absent in present-day Europe except in Scandinavia

>The SHG have no evidence of East Asian ancestry4,7, suggesting that the EDAR derived allele may not have originated not in East Asians as previously suggested35

464c3c  No.761086

File: c90e2539676c503⋯.jpg (61.8 KB, 800x450, 16:9, IMG_8112.JPG)

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If the Earth is only 6550 or so years old, Motala man clearly isn't 7000. But, if we look at the human remains we can find, and we keep in mind that the deposits were laid out in the order the Evolutionists have uncovered, we are surprised to discover that the genes that produce white skin and light hair are very recent. Blue eyes, on the other hand, have been more common for much longer.

But Motala man presents a mystery - before him, no one had derived SLC* alleles. After him, waves of white people poured into Europe from somewhere;


>Blond and redheaded mummies

>While the database is in the early stages, it has already provided some intriguing initial results. Muhlestein said he and the other researchers can use the database to "show us all of the blond burials, and [it shows] they are clustered in one area, or all of the red-headed burials, and [it shows] they're clustered in another area."

At one time, millions of white people lived in Egypt and the middle east. The presence of the derived EDAR allele in Motala man proves that the phenotypes of ancient humans were different from our own. These two facts prove that whites came from somewhere other than Europe, and that they've genetically changed since their origin.

464c3c  No.761090

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Y-haplogroup R* came from Y-haplogroup P1, which is native to the Philippines;


>Basal P* is found at its highest rate among members of the Aeta (or Agta), a people indigenous to Luzon, in The Philippines.[1] Luzon is also the only location where P*, P1* and rare P2 are now found together,[2] along with significant levels of K2b1

K2b1 came from K2b, which came from K2* (K-M526;)


>K-M526*, Sumatra (13.16,) Sulawesi (0.56)

Eden was located in Indonesia. During the flood, Noah traveled across the Indian ocean and found land in the Caucacus. From there, his descendents colonized the Middle east and became such diverse people as the Hebrews, Canaanites and Egyptians.

Evolutionist science says that the MC1R alleles that cause red hair are 80,000 years old;


>On this time scale, ages for the Eurasian-distributed Val60Leu, Val92Met, and Arg163Gln variants are 250,000–100,000 years; the ages for African silent variants—Leu106Leu, Cys273Cys, and Phe300Phe—are 110,000–40,000 years. For the European red hair–associated Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp variants, we estimate an age of ∼80,000 years

This means that, phenotypically, blue eyes and red hair have existed since the branch of humans from which all modern humans are descended. The presence of the derived EDAR allele in Motala man tells us that ancient whites and Asians were in fact one race. MA-1, the first observed instance of Y-R, was found in Siberia. However, Y-R migrated to Sibera in a curved path across the Indian ocean, into the Caucacus, and from there to Siberia;


>Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans

>This suggests that populations related to contemporary western Eurasians had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought

>Furthermore, we estimate that 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population

464c3c  No.761091

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Science Nordic concurs;


>In other words, Native Americans have partly European ancestry

I think Native Americans are, in fact, a lost tribe of Hebrews;


>According to the Paiutes, the Si-Te-Cah were a red-haired band of cannibalistic giants.[1] The Si-Te-Cah and the Paiutes were at war, and after a long struggle a coalition of tribes trapped the remaining Si-Te-Cah in Lovelock Cave. When they refused to come out, the Indians piled brush before the cave mouth and set it aflame. The Si-Te-Cah were annihilated

Mormonism is heresy, but it's general history is correct. The dark people of Earth are sinners, and there has been degeneration in part from Beastiality;


>Extensive simulation results reject the null model of no admixture and allow us to infer that contemporary African populations contain a small proportion of genetic material (≈2%) that introgressed ≈35 kya from an archaic population that split from the ancestors of anatomically modern humans ≈700 kya

We have all fallen. Adam and Eve were the fairest, most beautiful people who have ever lived. Even Noah was fairer and longer lived than people today. Ancient near easterners were white. All sinners will become darker and darker, and more and more people will sin. Truly, blackness is a curse which afflicts a family for generations, regardless of how Godly the family might be. No atonement can be made.

But we have to love the sinner and hate the sin. God certainly wouldn't curse saints eternally in Heaven with darkness for temporary, forgiven Earthly sins;


>17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind

678f87  No.761786

File: 767d35a5009e40b⋯.jpg (195.04 KB, 1200x810, 40:27, Broom-Room.jpg)

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Why is it that so many people want to mix their own brand of politics into human origins? Why can't it remain in the realm of science and scripture? Pics unrelated, but neat

f7572a  No.764205

File: 49295b0830c51ca⋯.jpg (636.43 KB, 1482x1478, 741:739, Three Wise Men.jpg)

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Bump for more constructive discussion

a0b887  No.764223


>Bible literalists


bcc092  No.764269

File: 9abaa2a6bf11837⋯.gif (326.57 KB, 220x193, 220:193, 0d23de83e3cef57c7babcfea78….gif)

this thread

d6c173  No.764272


The curse of ham thing is such a meme that it's not even funny. First of all ham wasn't even the one cursed but his son Canaan and they weren't even black. And we know what Canaanites looked like since we have depictions of them from some time BC.

ba0a13  No.764319

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

b691bb  No.764382


<swastika's the first thing you see

Why are we bringing Hindoos into this?

>all royal families have RH- blood

So it's an inbred trait? Glad the rest of us don't have it then.

9a016c  No.764444


Wasn't that meme started by Mormons?

06365b  No.764468


Yes. Don't forget that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were Freemasons.

You might even call them good ol' goys.

5979c8  No.764706


>Human fossils are much older.

How do you know they are older? Carbon-dating is grossly flawed.


Give me one reason why any of those things is wrong.

7ad4b8  No.764707

File: 2c7d037696593be⋯.jpg (27.8 KB, 400x367, 400:367, 414a43f67e1edce583b225548a….jpg)

>fedora atheists LARP as Christians and say evolution is real, and even compatible with the Bible

455c28  No.764711

File: 2697efeee8af4a6⋯.jpg (93.76 KB, 400x325, 16:13, 1cv6b3.jpg)


>creationist LARPs as a Christian with even a smidgen of Biblical/scientific literacy

<there are most likely others like him

2ef520  No.764712

File: e9718fd0babdf6d⋯.png (59.74 KB, 300x300, 1:1, chuckle holding.png)

>mfw people try to restrict God to our concept of time by insisting everything was made in 7 days

d4671e  No.764714

File: 97de6145f11bb7f⋯.webm (155.2 KB, 634x480, 317:240, Gowron_Slightly_Cheesed_O….webm)


>mfw people arbitrarily decide certain things are to be literally interpreted and others allegorically

7ad4b8  No.764715

File: 38b8c24c70d71d4⋯.jpg (10.94 KB, 200x315, 40:63, 1466042991871.jpg)


>incomprehensible faggotry


>changes proxy


455c28  No.764717


<has to resort to calling things gay instead of saying why they're wrong

1d3ed3  No.764803


Come on. Those guys made a good religion. The Bible even proves Mormonism is true.

Genesis 3:5

For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.

ed4886  No.766668

File: 6fd569c6c84b3c3⋯.jpg (384.09 KB, 768x1024, 3:4, 215795963_dc0cefd2d8_b.jpg)

Just another bump since we have both another creationism and a race thread up now

2abb16  No.768792

File: 2d27a19e0e327f8⋯.gif (2.86 MB, 480x271, 480:271, 1470529266948.gif)


>Eden was located in Indonesia

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