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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f3267e  No.756477

Exorcism boom: 'Mushrooming' demand to liberate from demonic forces…

From Cameroon to the United States, Catholics are seeking liberation from demonic forces


As of the past few decades, it is clear that Catholic clergy are witnessing a mushrooming demand for exorcisms. An astonishing number of people undergo deliverance from demonic forces every week, not only in the developing world but also in Britain and the United States. Pope Francis, who regularly speaks about the Devil, has told priests that they “should not hesitate” to call on exorcists if they hear confessions or see behaviour indicating satanic activity. Just a few months into his pioneering pontificate, Francis himself performed an informal exorcism on a man in a wheelchair in St Peter’s Square. The youngster had been brought by a Mexican priest who presented him as demon-possessed. The Pope intently laid two hands upon the man’s head, clearly concentrating on driving out the demons. The first Latin American Pope advocates exorcism as a potent weapon for doing battle against the Enemy and his legions. Like most of his fellow Latin Americans, Francis regards the Devil as a real figure who sows discord and destruction in the world.

Last April, the Vatican organised an exorcism workshop in Rome. More than 250 priests from 51 countries assembled to learn the latest techniques to exorcise demonic spirits. Alongside the usual spiritual paraphernalia of holy water, Bible and crucifix was a new addition: the mobile phone, in keeping with the global technological zeitgeist, for long-distance exorcisms. Exorcism is, of course, an ancient feature of the Catholic faith. It was an essential part of early Catholicism. Deliverance from demons fell within the purview of holy individuals, both living and dead, and had no particular formalities attached. In the Middle Ages, exorcisms altered, becoming more indirect. Frequently spiritual intermediaries such as salt, oil and water were used. Later, the holiness of saints and their shrines, deemed capable of miracles, began to take precedence over actual exorcisms. In the medieval era exorcism became a marginal practice, morphing from an ecstatic performance to a liturgical rite involving priestly authority. During the Reformation, as the Catholic Church struggled with Protestant attacks and internal divisions, its practices came under the spotlight. Exorcism was consequently reclassified and subject to stringent methods as the Church sought to establish strict criteria of diagnosis and canonical legitimacy. Legality came to the fore. Questions arose regarding who had the authority and legitimacy to exorcise. The Catholic Church began to restrict who could perform exorcisms.

82a105  No.756579

What even is demonic possession? The soul is inseparable from the body and the only one with any control over the soul at all is God. So how can demons affect us in any way at all?

5b05b9  No.756591


Your mental capacities are not confound to your body/spirin. The Mind is a realm all of it's own similiar to the physical world. These are where demonic entities are found.

08fc38  No.756595


>The soul is inseparable from the body

> the only one with any control over the soul at all is God.

How do you know?

Does the Bible affirm these statements?

21cdd7  No.756920


How can the mind and spirit be separate? Your personality is a mixture of your innate nature and memories of past experience, both of which are mental. What does that leave the spirit as then?

1311fa  No.756926


Pneuma is not the same as psyche.

21cdd7  No.756929


What is the difference? Pneuma is always phrased in such vague terms it's hard to even know what it even is.

1311fa  No.756931


>The spirit is breath, and the Greek word is pneuma. The soul is life, and the Greek word is psyche. The mind is understanding, and the Greek word is nous. Natural confusion exists between the spirit and the soul since both words, in their roots, mean breath. But for the Greeks, there were two kinds of breath: the kind necessary for life, the pneuma, and the kind necessary for love, lust, and relationships to the self and others, the psyche. In modern English, we might distinguish the two as life and energy.


8c68ac  No.756932

I recently started reading "An Exorcist Tells His Story" after seeing it recommended on here. I'm not super far into it, but the exorcist in question is a pretty interesting guy. Apparently he felt spurred to write about his experiences when he saw that Prot churches were practicing exorcisms "frequently and fruitfully" while exorcists were few and far between among catholics at the time. He also had a lot of qualms with the newer rites of exorcism it seemed. I imagine his work probably helped contribute to this rise. Overall it's a very enjoyable read so far, would recommend.

43bc0a  No.756934


Pneuma literally means "breath", "wind". It is the breath of life that God gave to humans, it is the life that animates us and gives us existence to begin with. Body is the material, corporeal body made of flesh and observed scientifically and biologically. Soul is the immaterial aspect of the person, it is the seat of the personality, the seat of the will and the desires, through which we either look toward God or look toward ourself.

You could say that the body is the material aspect of the self, the soul is the immaterial aspect of the self, and the spirit is the mortar keeping them together as a unified whole, so to speak.

In the natural state of the person, the spirit is submitted to God and draws from His grace, the soul is submitted to the spirit and thus aligned with the will of God, and the body is submitted to the soul and fulfills God's will materially by tending to His creation. In the unnatural state of the person, after the Fall, the spirit is turned inward toward man, causing man to rely on himself for life rather than to rely on God, and, with the influx of God's grace having ceased, man knows decay and death. The soul tries to satisfies the will and desires of man through corporeal rather than spiritual ways (for instance, a person who is depressed starts to eat and drink for comfort). And the flesh becomes a servant of sin, becomes dependant of its environment, and is essentially useless as even a soul that seeks to fulfill God's commandments inevitably ends up failing, because the soul and the flesh have become opposites.

21cdd7  No.756968


Then that would mean that demons just can't kill you? You're going to live for eternity regardless of anything else?

Does that make demonic possession similar to addiction? When you are completely consumed by a sin?

6b169c  No.756972


>Then that would mean that demons just can't kill you?


>You're going to live for eternity regardless of anything else?

Yes, but Gods will can destroy. That is why after death we either go in the direction of heaven or hell, and remain in that direction for eternity.

>Does that make demonic possession similar to addiction?

Similar, yes. Almost always related, but exceptions could possibly be found.

8b6fdd  No.756973

In the past, excorcist used to be the lowest in the priest hierarchy, why is this?

43bc0a  No.756980


You could say demonic possession is similar to mental illness. Mental illness enters the being through the flesh, it is a biological disfunction that causes the body to deteriorate quick and causes the soul to be confused or even incapacited (as it is the case for those who become vegetables for instance). It can be cured through material means, with medecine or surgery. If someone ends their life because of psychotic mental illness, they are not guilty of sin.

Demonic possession/oppression is similar except it enters the being through the soul. If we let ourselves be vulnerable, and we listen to the suggestions of demons, it can get to a point where we give the keys of our house to demons, so to speak. The soul deteriorates quick, it becomes unable to seek to fulfill its desires as it is the demons that decide what is to be seeked instead, and the body is confused or even incapacited, as it is not being controlled by ourself but by a third party.

Demonic influence is usually called oppression when our sensations, will, etc. are being forced onto a direction or another by the demons we opened the door to, and it is usually called possession when oppression has gone so far that one is simply not responsible anymore and the demons control them entirely (as much as an angelic being can influence a human anyway). This requires a spiritual solution, which is exorcism.

If someone ends their life because of demonic possession, they are not guilty of sin.

Mental illness is often a burden that we cannot choose or avoid, but demonic influence comes from letting oneself be vulnerable to demons (and those who are making terrifying progress in Christ will often be a more interesting target for demons).

Those who die lose their spirit, thus their body and soul dissociate and their soul goes to Hell while their body is left to deteriorate further. Those who die in Christ, however, are carried by the Holy Spirit and so, even if they appear to be dead, their soul is alive in Christ. Either way we will all be resurrected on the last day and receive eternal reward or punishment.

Demons cannot destroy your body or your soul, but they can influence you to use them in ways your sober mind does not want, and the worst case of demonic influence is called possession.

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