Weed is a sin.
If you are using marijuana you creating a negative impact on your spiritual life.
This is a drug. It is a drug that ruins your mind. Stop using it.
Sincerely, an ex-user.
Amen, recreational marijuana can't be justified
Even worse than that is recreational alcohol. If you are a social drinker you are not spirit filled.
I cannot justify your claim of alcohol being worse. I believe every useage of marijuana impacts our spiritual life. We are constantly tempted by the devil in every waking deed of our life. Weed allows the devil to creep in unexpectedly, it is the devils plant for a reason.
Alcohol was even used by Christ, and given by Christ to his fellow. By this alone I'd say they are not the same.
I am saying this while having a beer how ever, so Lord have mercy on my ironic prideful soul.
Pshaw, Jesus never said anything about weed.
Yes! You to probably lay witness to the entities that encircle your mental capacities when stoned. It's complete delusion when one uses it to become more spiritual, that's a pagan practice! God is a being of purity and by his nature we can only be in perfect union by our purest nature.
And this is why Wine in transformed to Christs blood. He changes the impure to the pure by the virtue of his grace.
Wine isn't impure. Christ and His apostles drank it before that.
I'm not saying it's impure, but it makes us impure when we abuse it's substance we become impure by the action of over consumption.
What are the effects of marijuana, and how does alcohol compare?
Alcohol dulls the senses and heightens our passions.
Weed dulls our rationality and heightens our creativity beyond articulation, which becomes sinful delusion.
Amen, thank you OP for sharing this.
I use porn, is that better?
Marijuana may not be expedient as per religious precepts but it is still safer than a whole slew of legal pharmaceuticals prescribed for things like depression which work by desensitizing people to their anxieties and feelings about others which is speculated to be behind the mass shootings and terrorism that go on in the world.
Cannabis would have not been as villainized if it were not for the efforts of J. Edgar Hoover transferring his enforcement bureau's efforts to something else after the end of prohibition to keep it employed.
Look at how actors who probably consumed drugs in private were hired to do propaganda films all while tobacco and alcohol continued to receive promotion.
Its criminalization has done more harm than good to society by setting people down a cycle of substance abuse and crime by increasing their chances of exposure to other illegal narcotics through the channels they have to acquire it from and by causing many people to be incarcerated for it.
Cannabis is much easier for minors to acquire than alcohol and tobacco products because of our laws. Restricting it to the black market also allows drug dealers to keep making profits.
Marijuana is a drug, it should be treated as such. Laws of man have no power over sin
They do in fact as can be evidenced.
Deal with it shilltard.
Its not, you know this already.
>Deal with it shilltard.
What? Laws of Man do not over ride sin. Divorce is legal, does that make it unsinful?
No need for name calling here anon.
It's done a lot of good for me and a lot of bad. After smoking it for 10+ years and living somewhere it is legal, I can attest to both sides of the coin. Honestly the way to do it is to make CBD more available because with this you get the medicinal effects without the high. Unfortunately for people like me it's a lot easier to get bud and I find myself looking for the reggie-grade shake instead of the high potent buds just so I can keep the temper in check without getting stoned. It's a crutch and a better Christian wouldn't use it, but it is medicinal and shouldn't be looked down upon if it's in proper use. Anyone who has never smoked it shouldn't have an opinion on the subject; it's common enough to where the life experienced can weigh in but NEET's usually have no history with it.
Authoritarianism shills deserve to be treated as stooged for wanting to arbitrarily subject people to gladiator schools and danger for things much more inconsequential than others which are not as scrutinized.
What happened to casting out the beam from your own eye?
God is a patriarchal authoritarian.
(((Satan))) is a progressive libertarian.
It's liberty that degenerated western society into the baby killing, family destroying, sodomite apologizing democracy that we have today.
Meanwhile authoritarianism's selectiveness and hypocrisy would be what causes the furious backlash against society and not otherwise.
You think I care for what society thinks?
Society has done nothing but tolerate sin and propagate suffering. I only care about what God thinks and has been proven to work.
Progessive Libertarian Globalism, Communusm, Anarchy, or whatever BS you are trying to peddle doesn't work over here. Marijuana is a drug and will be treated as such. Recreational drugs will only bring Man's downfall. Just because it is less intense doesn't mean there won't be ramifications in the future.
Look in the Old Testament and you will see what happens to the Israelites every single time they allow the mob to lead them and not God and his appointed leaders.
Yeah sure, nice bluff of nobility you got there.
Just so you know the Romans and Muslims were authoritarian too.
It's rather been the perception of injustice and inequity that has brought down civilizations and empires while substance abuse has lingered on without pause.
It's liberty which probably also allows you to profess your token belief.
Here's a quote to which any modern civilized person should agree, taken out of context probably, but all too true.
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
obedience to tyrants is disobedience to god
Not to mention it was King Jehoiakim's not paying his denbts which brought about the Babylonian Captivity and the destruction of the temple.
All part of the master plan tho amirite?
I'd love to smoke a joint right now.
Weed is for the weak.
>"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3
>"Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. Genesis 1:29-31
Get your laws from the bible, not Nancy Reagan.
<Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
I was waiting for someone to drop that gem.
Thank you for proving not only do you not understand what the high from thc is doing to your body, but you will ignore scripture when it conflicts with your perceptions of what "drunkenness" is.
Is marijuana for everyone? Nope.
Can you abuse it? No more than people abuse caffeine, sugar, or cheeseburgers.
Is it a sin? Scripture points to no.
Go eat some monkshood, then.
Not an argument.
Monkshood was also used in both early eastern and western medicines.
Don't eat 'em.
And don't eat any apples or oranges. You don't know what kind of tree they grew on.
>I was waiting for someone to drop that gem.
Thank you for proving not only do you not understand what the high from thc is doing to your body, but you will ignore scripture when it conflicts with your perceptions of what "drunkenness" is.
It literally inhibits you. I don't understand how you can be so defensive.
Because listening to people talk about cannabis on here is like listening to soccer moms discuss proper firearm safety.
The original argument was that it's a sin. I refuted OPs point with scripture pertaining specifically to seed bearing plants.
People then get all in a huff because they personally disagree with cannabis usage and post 1 Peter 5:8 as some catch-all gotcha to anything physically or psychoactively stronger than tap water.
>God is a patriarchal authoritarian.
You ain't Him, though.
He is worthy of our undivided loyalty because He is omniscient and wise beyond measure.
Man sure as shit isn't/
We've had plenty of bad OT kings, and lots of absolutely imbecilic and God-hating autocrats.
Autocracy needs to exist within properly defined legal limits, or else you invite disaster.
Throw away the herbal jew
I'm OP and I'm an ex-user of marijuana.
>Only God can judge
We argue about the Bible here, not with quotes tattooed on hookers
How about you do us all a favor and leave this board and head off to /gnostic/ or whatever hole you come from. Also, I heard they started a church in Denver, CO where they encourage pot-smoking and getting high "for the Lord." Sounds like it's right up your alley.
>You ain't Him, though.
That's right. He did leave us this great big document saying what is and isn't permissible. And pharmekeia isn't permissible.
IMO the cursing of the fig tree represents pot where you should never blame the drugs for your own mistakes.
>Because listening to people talk about cannabis on here is like listening to soccer moms discuss proper firearm safety.
Listening to you twisting Scripture to fit your personal agenda is like listening to a 14-year old atheist discussing why the Bible is a fairy tale. You're in the same vein as Pastor Anderson saying the Bible he is holding is literally God. First of all, I can bet that you've never read the Bible cover-to-cover once in your life. You probably get all your Bible arguments in favor of pot from some obscure 420 forum through a casual web search since you're so lazy and stoned out from all the pot you smoke. Second, if it's not apparent to you from simply reading the Bible and taking this into prayerful consideration, then face it, you're a lost cause. Please do us all a favor, make like a tree, and leaf outta here. Pothead.
God made weed. Who said you have to over indulge? If you sit around all day it is degenerate in itself. But otherwise i am a grown man and my spirit does not discern that marijuana is bad for you. I am only and will only speak for myself, do whatever you want. As for me, I think ill rather have a coffee.
Lazy reply bud, let's focus on scripture instead of making up scenarios where we have two-dimensional caricatures of one another to pin baseless accusations to.
I bet I've read it cover to cover more times than you but lets not turn it into a pissing contest.
>commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
Funny how the authors knew someone like you would come along.
>can now utilize the plant for God's intended purpose
Shit pushed out by pill presses is many times more delusion creating and lethal than cannabis.
Also who's to say this synthetization of things things can't mute its effects. Humans have used medicinal herbs since pre-history, and their use may have employed some mystic component at a time when people did not have a modern understand of scientific theory, you know like when people also put witches through trial by fire and dunking.
Needless to say in some documentaries I've watched on primitive animist tribes around the world, it would seem that they may not recognize the efficacy of syntheticized pills and capsules over their own traditional divinatory use of the herbs, but no need to get into an ad hominem argument about them as it's just an observation.
>comparable to the meats that is listed off in Leviticus according to the dietary laws
Sir I'm going to need you to put the blunt down. The absolute state of sinners trying to rationalize their sins.
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
>to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis makes it clear.
Thousands of bowls like these were found in Mesopotamia for warding off things like demons, and Christian texts of magic/incantational/divinatory nature are also known to exist.
It's said that witches were known for treating people with moldy bread and it was discovered that penicillin would be derived through such.
Rather than being about defying God's authority, it was probably more about people wanting to save theirselves or their limbs from gangrene and find cures for things like impotence.
Henpnia for making rope. It literally cannot be used as food, it has no nutritional value.
Doesn't make it sin.
It actually does have many culinary and nutritional uses.
Which backwater are you also currently living in Ivan?
Does this picture not fill you with nostalgia? "It's pre-soviet".
So don’t use it to justify getting high.
Hemp and marijuana are two different things.
Both are cannabis but both serve different purposes. To me that's another example of how awesome God is.
I wouldn't help my sciatica pain with hemp and I wouldn't make rope from marijuana.
Then alcohol is not sinful.
By saying "alcohol is sinful" you imply ANY usage of alcohol is sinful, which is what people think when you say sinful.
>Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. [Matthew 15:11]
>For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. [Timothy 4:4-5]
I wasn't saying alcohol was sinful.
I only post here and gnosticism is a joke but thanks for sharing.
Care to contribute to the discussion or do you just want to lob stoner stereotypes around as your evidence of marijuana being a sin?
Also it looks like OP already got one of my comments removed so hopefully you'll see this one.
This is what the catechism says.
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.
The Bible has enough to contribute on its own, so I suggest you read the Bible cover-to-cover instead of getting all your arguments from r/Christianity. We're not going to fling Bible verses at each other. If you're unable to parse and understand why pot is wrong in light of Scripture, then you're simply a lost cause. Now go back smoking your pot while us real Christians go out and get ready to protest against abortion tomorrow.
Pearl clutching is a refined art my friend.
If you can't see how God gave us something great through the act of creation that has the capacity to be used for the benefit of the kingdom I think we're at an impasse.
>us REAL Christians
Something something about a mote and a beam…
>If you can't see how God gave us something great through the act of creation that has the capacity to be used for the benefit of the kingdom I think we're at an impasse.
Again, you're just further reinforcing the fact that you're a lost cause. Also you've never stated whether or not you've read the Bible cover-to-cover. So let me ask you again, HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE COVER-TO-COVER??? Meanwhile, you've probably read all the papers and arguments in favour of your beloved Marijuana. Jesus Christ would have never smoked pot, you know this, deep down inside you know this to be true, but you are so twisted deep down inside that you are worshipping a different Jesus than we are.
>Something something about a mote and a beam…
You claim to be a real Christian, so I WILL call you out when it needs to be called you. You are NOT a real Christian, you are a FAKE Christian pothead who is more interested in spreading your gospel of pot rather than the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins. So if you want us to stop judging you, then STOP calling yourself a Christian AND GET OUT OF HERE. REPENT AND TURN AWAY FROM SIN YOU HYPOCRITE.
Just finished up with Psalms on my current cover-to-cover read through, thanks for assuming yet again.
You seem to have a big problem with marijuana in general, understandably so since we've had several decades of demonization and misinformation being pushed out.
That's okay, we all have things that we stumble on and I may very well be in the wrong myself and I will face God someday and be judged for my error.
As I mentioned before, does it have the capacity of being abused?
Is it for everyone? Absolutely not.
OPs original point was that marijuana in itself is sin.
I personally don't believe it is and I use the Bible to prove that belief.
All I ask is that someone show through scripture to prove marijuana in itself is a sin which was OPs original point.
All I've gotten are a lot of insults, imaginary strawman scenarios, and now threats of apostasy. I know marijuana is a sensitive subject with Christians and certainly expected pushback from the board but it's a sad state of affairs when we can't discuss things civilly and start accusing one another of not being a 'real' Christian.
why are you typing like a 65 year old>>757355
The position of the word 'sorcery/pharmakeia' immediately after the word 'idolatry' kind of suggests to me that it's more referring to the use of marijuana in pagan rituals than referring to recreational use.
>All I've gotten are a lot of insults, imaginary strawman scenarios, and now threats of apostasy. I know marijuana is a sensitive subject with Christians and certainly expected pushback from the board but it's a sad state of affairs when we can't discuss things civilly and start accusing one another of not being a 'real' Christian.
Let me ask you this question again: HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE COVER-TO-COVER??? YES or NO? Seven posts later and you still haven't answered this question. This is very important because if you read the Bible in its entirety you'd understand Christians simply don't live by picking certain Bible verses out of context like you're trying to egg us all into doing. Also, if you're reading the Bible while you're high, I can bet you're not reading with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Let's not forget you accused us all of being "soccer-moms" regarding the issue of marijuana. Also, looks like your friendo here >>757513 thinks people who are opposed to marijuana must be only "old people." You pothead "Christians" are such a delight, you've never read the Bible and have the gall to accuse us Christians of many things.
Go back to smoking your leaf, pothead.
By the way, I'm curious what you two potheads think about this topic. What is your opinion on watching pornography and masturbating to pornography? The Bible never explicitly says anything about masturbation, what are your thoughts on this topic? Please do enlighten us.
Using any BAS recreationally, especially to "get in touch with your inner self" is an inherently pagan practice, change my mind.
>When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
God calls us to be better than the pagans. The pagans used the pharmakia to alter the minds of their users. Hence why they were able to convince them of idolatry. much like how you are idolizing your recreational weed use right now
Even if you want to use mental gymnastics to think weed is harmless because you are doing it in God's name, you are still intoxicating yourself and falling unto drunkenness. It's a sin either way. You are better than that, and God knows it. Repent already.
What is this acronym, if I may ask?
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A nice and coincidental connection with the 'drug revolution' and the degeneracy that plagues the West. As well as the creator of LAS facing demonic possession.
>The pagans used the pharmakia to alter the minds of their users. Hence why they were able to convince them of idolatry.
The pagans didn't know the Spirit, they were idolaters in any event.
>much like how you are idolizing your recreational weed use right now
I'm not 'idolizing' anything here, just arguing something different to what you're arguing.
>Even if you want to use mental gymnastics
But it's not just mental gymnastics, see >>757340 and >>756901
>you are still intoxicating yourself and falling unto drunkenness
It's done in moderation and with thanksgiving to God. That much is not contrary to scripture.
You can't do pharmakeia in moderation. I've tried. It's a brain altering substance and eventually your tolerance will build up and you'll need more and more to get the same high. Even after I accepted God in my life and tried to quit, I could hear it calling me. It got so bad I found myself rationalizing why I need it and why it's okay. I went so far as to recover my weedman's deleted number, but thankfully stopped myself from buying more. I've wasted so much money and time under weed's spell and wish it upon no one.
God forbid it for a reason, and no amount of 'moderation' will make it okay. Repent!
>quoting Benjamin Franklin
You realise he, and most of the founding fathers, were Masons, right? The Constitution is not a book of the Bible, you dumbass Weimerican.
according to the dead see scrolls Jesus was a mushroom and the word "Christian” comes from an ancient Sumerian root word meaning smeared with semen. so obviously God is a hippy and by extension smokes weed
>Being scared of God's creation
You guys are winnie the pooh pussies. Weed ADDICTION is bad, not weed itself. Same with alcohol you winnie the pooh idiots. I haven't smoked weed in years (and don't care to), but damn it is fun af when you get around to it. Besides, attacking weed will not solve the weed problem. Economic alienation is the source of people's dependency. And don't give me this 'spiritualism' bullshit that people are supposedly lacking in. People are as spiritual as ever. It's that Christian communities have been destroyed by neoliberalism as well, and this destroys the spirit with it, leaving the spirit open to being overtaken by drug addiction. Taking out weed will solve nothing as people will jump to a newer addiction (or worse, Evangelical Fundamentalism). Fix the economic alienation. Read Aquinas and Augustine you winnie the pooh useless idiots. Our Church Fathers understood the evils of usury and related.
Missing the point of my thread
Frankly speaking, I think that you've missed the point of Christianity altogether. How far we have fallen.
Are you saying I've missed the entirety of my Faith because I've took a stance on marijuana? Oh the irony.
Yes. Your position manifests a weak foundation. I would be afraid if my Faith were akin to yours. Read the Church Fathers.
Me too buddy. It's an amazing experience.
Former weed addict here. Used to smoke basically every day after work to take the edge off and as a sleep helper. Sometimes I'd smoke before praying and it was amazing. My mind would go all over the place and I'd feel so good, but the next day would be hazy. Only realized I was addicted when I tried to go without it for a while.
Weed isn't a sin. It's the result of sin. My sin was anger and resentment, mainly towards my parents. Once I realized that, came to terms with it, and forgave them, my desire to smoke pretty much disappeared on it's own.
I was using it to get away from my anger. Once that was gone I could see what smoking was really doing to me. I wouldn't say that I'll never smoke again, I would enjoy it, but don't have that automatic stress response to smoke a joint that I had before letting go of my anger.
I think you're junpjng to conclusions
Marijuana causes intoxication, and that is certainly a sin.
Not a pot head, just playing devils advocate. Jesus Christ wouldn't have smoked tobacco, at least in my mind, and that is something known to not be intrinsically sinful.
only smart person ITT
>all of the prots here relying on sola scriptura
Who cares about some perpetually compromised institution's rulings on the matter? For all we know they could very well change it in the future, then wot?
This is why evidence from other sources is also necessary.