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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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e2892c  No.813598

To start, I'm Catholic, and I had always had the utmost respect for the military probably secondary only to clergymen But I had always ruled out military service not necessarily because I couldn't take it or didn't think about it from a patriotic/service stand point, but because I felt that the act of violence would be unjustified. Conversely, I have always looked up to the physical and mental discipline both the monastic life and military service require.

However, recently after reading through the Scriptures, Church documents, Catholic Encyclopedia's stance on things like patriotism/nationalism (that being that it is honorable to take pride in and to serve whatever country you belong to), St Augustine and St Thomas' stance on just war, as well as reading a substantial amount of material related to war both positive (Jerusalem Conquered, 33 Strategies of War, The Big Stick, Starship Troopers, etc.) and negative (All Quiet on the Western Front, The Things They Carried, The Forever War, etc) I came to the conclusion that outside of Priestly/Monastic life, this sort of self sacrifice is the best way I can serve my fellow countrymen outside of evangelism and charity Mind you I'm fully aware of the morally gray motivations for this conflict, but the way I see it ISIS and groups like them seek nothing less than the complete eradication of Christianity and western society in general, so I the way I see it I feel obligated both as an American and as a man of God to fight, if not for myself than for all other Christians in the world (especially after the stream of attacks carried out across the globe).True love is to lay down one's life for thy friends after all. It's something I feel called to do.

At the same time, I'm also in the process of becoming a Benedictine Oblate, and intend to pursue my faith continually and devoutly before, during, and after my term of service (however long that may be, I'm not sure atm). I fully intend on living my faith out to the fullest extent I can. My Mother needs some convincing on me entering a combat position since she's afraid of me getting PTSD and/or injured, but both of my parents say they would support me in joining at the very least, I was torn between the Army and the Marines, but I'm going into the Marines since that's what my Grandfather said he would join if he had been drafted but WWII ended before that happened. Currently working out so I can pass the physical exam next year. I have one more year of college before I get my B.A. in finance, and with that I can enter an officer position from the get-go.

I'm not really posting this to get advice as I'd been contemplating this for years, but more so just to start a conversation. I've been here on and off for several years, and I know war is a touchy and divisive topic here, and with my situation and views outlined I'm curious as to what other Christians think.

7cc505  No.813608


Fellow Cath here, more set to become some sort of contemplative or live that kind of life celibate on my own in the world with my spiritual director(s). I find your decision interesting, but not uncommon really among Caths. I looked at the Scriptures, Church docs, Cath En, Ss. Augustine and Thomas, media about war and it's history spiritually and naturally, and came to the conclusion that I must never do it, that Just War didn't exist, and that the best way I as a man of God could serve the world is without even the most basic resorting to violence (voting, calling the police, even proportional self-defense). I don't think anyone claiming Christ is called to this but I won't judge it (in the proper sense of this term, saying whether or not this will damn you or save you, no other sense). As to starting a convo, I guess I'd just reccomend reading the works of Ben Salmon (Cath).

dab138  No.813610


Congratulations! It's gonna be a rough journey but a very honorable one Dispite what the /pol/s think

I'm training to join the National Guard myself. Make sure to pray the rosary everyday! God love you, Marinon!

0959c6  No.813618


I salute your bravery and devotion but there's nothing noble about killing and dying for Israel. You will not likely fight a just war throughout your whole service. Nonetheless, I respect those willing to submit to the service of their country even if their country throws them into the fire.

89a96f  No.813621

Are you doing plc seniors then?

e2892c  No.813625


I'm a Senior this year, so I'd go into USMC Officer Candidate School post graduation based on what I've read.

89a96f  No.813626


get in contact with an oso immediately. Do not go off what you read online

e2892c  No.813627


>I respect those willing to submit to the service of their country even if their country throws them into the fire.

Part of my desire to sacrifice is that I wish to spare others from having to experience war and gain strength through that suffering. Like I said, I've read enough to see both the positives and negatives of war All Quiet on the Western Front is my favorite book of all time, and it makes war out to be beyond hell and from my perspective honoring the positives while at the same time suffering the negatives is the best sacrifice I can give as a broke, disillusioned college student.

The one thing I've learned from all that I've read write by vets is that a military cannot maintain cohesion and efficiency is soldiers are not willing to sacrifice for the collective of both society and your fellow troops I'm not there for the government, I'm there for my fellow soldiers and for my true countrymen. I'm there for Christ, not stately power. The petty squabbles of the elite don't concern me, only the suffering and needs of those lower on the food chain.

259a9b  No.813629

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Army infantryman here. You need to be ridiculously physically fit, even after basic training you won’t be strong enough to keep up with the best in your unit. You’re going to experience pain on multiple levels before, during, and after basic training. If you deploy (which you likely will) and engage in combat you will never be the same mentally. Also, expect high levels of hedonism will permeate your day to day life both in theory and practice. Many people in combat MOS are nihilistic, and irreligious, especially lower enlisted. Most people who are religious are evangelical prots. This isn’t meant to scare you or dissuade you, just warn you before you make a years long commitment. Good luck and God bless anon.

e2892c  No.813630


Already sent my info into the Corp and got a reference to an officer. I'm in the process of getting in contact and setting up a meeting.

e2892c  No.813631


I'm already fairly fit as it is atm.. I had been working out on and off prior to this mental commitment, and I'm setting up a schedule for a more regular and strenuous fitness routine. I'm 6'1 and 150, and I build mass pretty easily, I just haven't been going as frequently as I would have liked until now.I'm not asserting that I know more than you, but I'm just saying I've tried to prep myself for the worst both physically and mentally.

As far as the latter matter, I assume the mental scaring would happen. I just can't see myself living in the frivolity of the world anymore. I've already had a close brush with death and mortality in college both of myself and those I love, and it put life in a new perspective. I want to something that matters with my life rather than the frivolous pursuit of material wealth and possessions that has consumed me when I first entered university, and that still consumes the world around me. My options were either enlist, join the clergy, or both, and I want to have kids if I make it to 26 so…

I'm already used to being surrounded by irreligious people and evangelicals on campus. There are about 12 of us in total at the Newman center max in a university with 5,150 undergrads. Not to mention all the left wing trite we're force-fed in our mandatory social science courses. Plus, I'm a convert from atheism, so I've already overcome it once in my life.

All of that said though, I thank you for your concern and advice. God bless.

dd27ca  No.813633


Navy here, not in the US Forces, but one of your Allies. Basically just have to back up what this anon says. Also there are a lot of things you may not expect, like the endless boredom. Its not like the movies and few will see the kind of glorious action they expect. And yeah it's not as friendly to religious types as the movies would have you think either.

If it's what you've got your heart set on, it can be fulfilling, but check your expectations going in. You get out of it what you put in. I wish you luck.

ab1275  No.813643

Marine brat. Some advice:

Don't be a boot. Look as un-military as possible.

As hard as basic is and was, it's not impressive. Many, many, guys got through it.

The marine corps will brainwash you. That is what basic is. Keep your mind about you.

OCS is more mind games. DIs will actively winnie the pooh with you and try to get you to quit. They will also manipulate the group against you. This is intentional, every one gets theirs.

As an officer, you are less likely to see combat as your primary function is administration. Especially now that there is a lull.

Always be respectful to the NCOs. You will just be another 2LT out of OCS, a change in management the SSGT has to deal with. Guy gets to SSGT deserves deference.

Don't get married while you're serving. Tell that to every single one of your men. Barracks for four years is better than a divorce and loans for the rest of your life.

Alcohol is not your friend. He is your worst enemy. He only gives cold comfort and reinforces false bravado. Alcohol kills more officers than it kills enlisted.

Get ready for shit-tests. You had better be a dominant man, else you will get tread over by the enlisted.

Dress blues for poon. Dont wear it outside of necessity.

All of this assuming you even get in. Corps saturated and MEPS is backed up. Too many guys, make cuts. Infantry is 2nd to be filled after Recon. No shame in upping under a different MOS. Ignore the taunt of POG, they'd starve without intel, warehouse, or air support. Just don't let it get to your head. Patriotism is an excuse, blood and edginess are the reasons.

A man ought to be willing and able to kill. Most important part of killing is how to do it right. "Bushido is the art of dying. To kill means you must first die" or something like that. As Christian's we are meant to face death in Christ. We should know that there is no fate worse than death, no Earthly pain greater than death. The samurai were taught to be fearless of death, a Christian should not do this. He must embrace the fear in Christ, and when he kills repent and forgive his enemy from the depths of his heart. Never dehumanize your enemy. To do so is to damn yourself, and likely scramble your brain. You are trained to kill automatically, reflexively. That's why they use silhouette targets and not bullseye. That's why they have boot camp. It's to brainwash you into killing. Its effective short-term but destructive long-term. Removes individual culpability in the moment, but cannot hold it off forever. At some point, the realization will fully settle in, and the long, dull pain will overcome the soldier. Can't afford to teach them the better way of killing. At least, that's as much as I can figure. I want to sate my curiosity over it, but it's likely I'd never see combat nor have the balls to pull the trigger. No one likes talking about the broken families, reckless lives, and ruined towns of the soldiers.

ab1275  No.813644


Another piece of advice: as an officer, expect politics to be your day to day, especially the higher the rank you go.

If you have the aptitude and arent colorblind, I'd strongly reccomend flying V-22s. More methodical. Also as they are troop carriers, it's a fine position for a tougher pacifist-leaning guy and plenty dangerous. SEERS is a trip.

f27ab0  No.813646


But why marines? You do know that’s the most homoerotic branch right? It’s the navy without self awareness and lower IQ recruits.

070e2e  No.813648

Look as much as I would like to congratulate you Im afraid you would only be serving (((them))) as a result, believe I wanted to serve too but my nation is controlled by those who would rather see the faith destroyed and my countrymen replaced by foreigners.

fd4443  No.813650



Kek, you aren't dying for Israel, mate.

You are doing stuff for America's complex geo-political interests(which includes anything from training some dissidents, to sailing around Asia on a aircraft carrier as a show of force).

The most likely messed-up Middle Eastern regime who's interests you might end up dying for would be the Saudis, given they give Murica oil.

af290a  No.813653


>/muh pol

Why do liberals signal with this when they encounter a point they dont want to engage with because it would make them morally bankrupt and retarded?

60cd0e  No.813658

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Learn to read. I said /pol/s, as in both autistic and left. Both are cancer. Both hate the military. You wanna talk about moral bankruptcy and gloss over the fact the autistic one literally worships the skin on their backs one while the left one worships the smell of their own euphoric farts. One wants to genocide all those that aren't white and the other wants to genocide the middle class. Both virtue signal about how much of a "victim" they are and how much better society would be if they were in charge. Both want to perpetuate suffering because their ideals are more important than the reality God gave them.

At the end of the day, both are socialist scum and anathema to me.

070e2e  No.813661




you are either a MAGAtard or /trannypol/ in disguise

dd5ea6  No.813669


Semper Fi

You'll go after you graduate, 10 week course called OCC. Its got a higher attrition rate than the PLC split option, but thats because the longer, single duration lends itself to injury. As long as you prepare, and stay with God, you'll do good.

Try to get an aviation contract. When I went last summer, over half of us were all aviation contracts. They need pilots now, never been a better time to get on.

64eb55  No.813679


Hello, bluepilled department? What a joke.

40ada9  No.813698


>America's complex geopolitical interests

Like expending Americans' blood and treasure in order to advance Israel? What a joke, none of the ME countries America has invaded could ever have credibly threatened Americans, even if they had wanted to. So precisely how were the interests of the American people (note: not the Jewish-Deracinated White-Assorted Foreign ruling class of America's interests) advanced by the immense clusterwinnie the poohs that were the assorted ME wars?


>Thinking your people have a right to exist is worshipping them

>Anyone who doubts muh ebin proposition nation or doesn't want to die for Israel is a nazi

>muh race is skin deep

Holy shit, this one may be inoperable.


1) None of America's ongoing conflicts is a just war

2) The wars in the middle east are actively harmful not only to the countries america has invaded, but also immensely harmful to Americans (given that they're the ones who spill their blood, foot the bill, and are browbeaten into accepting the swarthy invaders from these armpit countries in order to be "humanitarian")

3) The ones who train and equip the loathsome creatures like ISIS you mention are the same who lead the institution you're pledging yourself to, and that's not to mention that they could never have existed without the toppling of semi-stable local governments by america in the first place.

The only two reasons to ever join the armed forces of any western country in their current state is to:

a) Assist in repelling an invasion (an armed invasion of America by a musloid nation is risible, though the 100 million plus strong unarmed invasion continues apace without the army lifting a finger, so this one certainly doesn't apply).

b) Be in a position to undermine their operations and commandeer materiel/supplies if they ever order the armed forces to turn their weapons on their own citizens (seemingly likelier all the time).

f27ab0  No.813706



>Stop pointing out Nazi germany is socialist

Friendly reminder the Holocaust never happen and Hitler caused the death of millions of whites by invading white European nations.

6940b1  No.813714

What we need also is a Catholic Private Military/Security organization dedicated to providing protection services to Catholics as well as our sites/pilgrims/places of worship around the world, once you finish or if you do finish see if you can get together with anybody and start one.

070e2e  No.813715


great you just invented the military orders of old

070e2e  No.813716


>he honestly thinks National Socialist Germany was marxist socialist

next you are telling me the cultural decay we experiment is due to socialism and not capitalism and rampant consumerism like the grug brained person you are

f6d739  No.813722


>Like expending Americans' blood and treasure in order to advance Israel?

No, in order to expand America's sphere of influence(with the assorted allied regional powers, puppet states, friendly regimes, etc.), project their power as a global hegemon, and access to cheap resources in the Middle East.

The brits and russians were doing it for a 150 years before America, before that the Ottomans and the Persians, Romans and Persians, etc. until before the Bronze Age Collapse.

It's not magic, or something new.

>1) None of America's ongoing conflicts is a just war

Now, that's a much better reason to avoid the military, as a christian.

The entire geopolitical scene at the moment is one huge prisonners dillema, and the methods they use are very amoral, destabilizing, and get a lot of innocent people hurt, written off as collateral damage(a CIA report said a salafist caliphate is highly likely to rise in that part of Syria, should a civil war start).

Given minorities are vulnerable in such situation, and middle-eastern christians are among those, you might hurt your brothers in the process.

Much more logical and clear.

51b66f  No.813731


I want to be on the front lines. I'm all about humility, which is the exact same reason I was drawn to the Benedictines. Hence it was either the Army or Marines in my mind.The end decision was influenced by which one I thought would require the most discipline, the amount of personal admiration I had for the Marine Corp (which was no doubt influenced by much of the literature I've read by vets, both "fiction" and nonfiction), and as I already mentioned my Grandfather's ideal choice.

I should add to that that my Great-grandfather who actually served in WWII was a paratrooper and was furious that my Grandfather wanted to go into the Marines. Like I said, he was never drafted, and instead later became a history teacher with a masters in US history. He went to St. Ignatius High School and John Carroll University, and was basically the spiritual cornerstone of my family as a result. His dad later disowned him because of his pursuit of education. He was one of the best men if not the best man I ever knew, effectively acted as my father figure after my mother divocred my abusive biological father, and he passed away during the end of my Freshman year at CWRU. Coincidentally, that was the same year I converted to Catholicism (though I had already been baptized and had first communion a very young child, and explored other religions and denominations for both personal and political reasons before finding my home in the church).

I think it's only fitting that I take the place in the Corp that he never fulfilled, especially since nobody in my family has served in the military since WWII. I look up to the Corp and I look up to my grandfather even more, so the marines seemed like the obvious choice when I reflected on it.

51b66f  No.813732



My VPN switched off.

51b66f  No.813733



>By civil allegiance is meant the duty of loyalty and obedience which a person owes to the State of which he is a citizen. The word allegiance is a derivative of liege, free, and historically it signifies the service which a free man owed to his liege lord. In the matter in hand its meaning is wider, it is used to signify the duty which a citizen owes to the state of which he is a subject.

>That duty, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, rests on nature itself and the sanctions of religion. As nature and religion prescribe to children dutiful conduct towards the parents who brought them into the world, so nature and religion impose on citizens certain obligations towards their country and its rulers. These obligations may be reduced to those of patriotism and obedience. Patriotism requires that the citizen should have a reasonable esteem and love for his country. He should take an interest in his country's history, he should know how to value her institutions, and he should be prepared to sacrifice himself for her welfare. In his country's need it is not only a noble thing, but it is a sacred duty to lay down one's life for the safety of the commonwealth. To be able to distinguish what laws of the civil authority are just and obligatory, it will be advisable to lay down the principles of Catholic theology respecting the nature, subject-matter, and limits of the obedience which citizens owe to the State.

f1a20a  No.813953

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it's insane that anyone would be actually willing to kill fellow goyim based on orders from a system full of corrupted meat.

what a bravery right there..


>Mike Pence: West Point grads should expect combat



>afganistan, iraq, north korea, china, europe, russia, US itself

>the most diverse class in the history

i find it sad, that you put your soul into the hands of meat.

very sad.

..could it be for shekels?

46503a  No.813959


>Despite what the /pol/s think

Now that's brainwashed; all anti-war conservatives are Nazis now.

2fe00c  No.813973


He specifically said he was talking about both /pol/s

f1a20a  No.813998

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>I want to be on the front lines. I'm all about humility,

here is your KILL THEM ALL mentality of US military:


>By civil allegiance is meant the duty of loyalty and obedience which a person owes to the State of which he is a citizen.

that implies that state is loyal to their own citizens.

6af01e  No.814001


Try and join a Catholic Private Military Order or Security Organization under the role of Armed Security the moment there is one using the experience you get.

That reminds me, how long could it take for Catholic Private Military Orders or Security Organizations to come into existence?

498613  No.814025


Should have one running in the next 5-10 years depending on current weltpolitik

9a46ff  No.814026



>both as an American and as a man of God to fight

>want to be on the front lines

This isn't 2005, you're most likely never going to see combat.

>going for officer position

You're definitely never going to see combat.

If you really are going to join the Marines then I'm warning you that there will be a lot of whoring and boozing. The guys there will give you shit if you don't partake in that shit.

c91e1c  No.814034

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Don't do it. I did, and I absolutely hated it. The US military is 100% a completely satanic institution, with absolutely no room for a Christian man. Your so-called comrades will all be rabidly atheistic and hyper-sexual, and they will shun you for not being like them. Furthermore, going on an eight-month deployment without any access to the Eucharist the whole time - not to mention inescapable 24/7 exposure to the aforementioned rabid atheists - is a truly soul-crushing experience. There's hardly even any good hard work to take your mind off all of the crap; you'll spend most of your days anxiously waiting around for nothing to happen. Seriously just don't do it; you'd be better off doing literally anything else.

ef9ba4  No.814104


Doesn't the military have a chaplin that conducts liturgy and provides the eucharist on base?

aa8d22  No.814125


>Try and join a Catholic Private Military Order or Security Organization.

Honestly this.

51b66f  No.814130

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I don't know Italian, so I doubt I could join the Swiss guard. Besides, like I said and quoted from the Catholic encyclopedia, it's partially an act of patriotism and national loyalty.

Also, to cite my other inspirations that initially got me to meditate on this issue, I feel the desire to fight for the nation that has given me all that I have to not only honor my heritage, but prove myself as worth of such privileges. I had contemplated going the military before more as a way out of debt and as an easy path to ensured employment, but such material reasons could never motivate me to join. It really wasn't until I read Starship Troopers that I started to see a deeper aspect to military service. I FAR from agree with the totality of its moral philosophy but there are certain aspects that spoke to me on both a philosophical and emotional level (ie. I'm right-wing but not a Fascist). I read it out of morbid curiosity and as a fan of military sci-fi in general expecting to hate it and see it as pro-military Fascist propaganda, but found myself agreeing with many of the meritocratic aspects present in the novel. Also, the plight of a young man unsure of where to go in life and being forced to pursue material wealth spoke to me as a disillusioned business major.

At first I told myself that I was just buying into the propagandist elements of the book, but then I went to church shortly after I had literally finished it on a Sunday and that was when I really felt called to service after sending a few days in conflict. I still waited to see if it was just a fleeting interest as I continued to read other similar materials (see op), but at the end of it all I still felt this pull towards service. Not necessarily that war itself was noble, but the act of stepping up and away from the world in pursuit of a grander cause was noble, and military service was the most accessible means by which I could do this. And the bible never stated that being a soldier was inherently evil, though I do still plan to visit confession often while I'm there.

Like I said, I've always had respect for soldiers and public servants, and was always physically and mentally capable of enlistment, but I never did because I saw myself as "above it" and saw war as purely an act of brutality and nothing else. It wasn't until I was shown a different perspective that I seriously considered it. I know it's a piece of fiction and is clearly idealized (hence so little actual combat is portrayed) but so are The Lord of the World and the works of Tolkien. that doesn't mean it can't present a compelling philosophical argument.

51b66f  No.814132


>This isn't 2005, you're most likely never going to see combat.

This isn't 2008, the geopolitical climate is insanely volatile atm. More so than it was in the 2000s actually.

>You're definitely never going to see combat.

I'm hoping I can chose. I don't think the military has much use for a finance major anyways, and I'm sick of it after 4 years of being force-fed materialism and greed.

51b66f  No.814140


Yes, according to my research on both official military and catholic sites.

c91e1c  No.814151


If you're stateside, yes. Though if you're stationed stateside you're better off attending Mass off-base, as the on-base chapels are almost always empty both in the pews and the service. If you're deployed, however, probably not. At most they might be able to fly in a priest like once the whole deployment. This is why the Church offers a dispensation for those deployed, so that it's not a mortal sin for them to miss Mass. But even though it's not a mortal sin on your part, you still miss out on all of the graces that would otherwise come to you through the Eucharist.

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Even if they're not official clergy Chaplains are given authority to distribute the Eucharist if necessary. But due to the governments stance on accommodating religious freedom and the church's efforts, there are in fact a fair few deployed chaplains.

Like I've tried to make clear, I've taken a lot into consideration before this.

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try to make it to special forces like reco

since you dont fap because youre on this board your mind must be strong.

51b66f  No.814187


I mean, I have slip-ups here and there in that regard, but I've gone multiple weeks to a few months at the very least.

And like I said, I'm working with monastics so I'm already big on self control and diligence. I'll see where I go if I even get a choice, but the only thing I would ask is to avoid a number-crunching desk job as much as possible, even if it's in demand. I can't properly serve if I don't have my heart in it, and I already feel like the walking dead in school. I entered school pre-conversion with materialistic priorities, so by this point I'm miserable and take almost no pride in what I'm doing. I'm smart (not to be a dick) but I'm so sick of this crap day in and day out. It's maddening and I've contemplated dropping out, but I only have 1 year left so I'm just gonna ride it out for the sake of OCS.

c91e1c  No.814394


Yes, there are deployed chaplains. However, the command you get deployed with will most likely only have one chaplain, and he'll most likely be a protestant minister. Take it from someone who's been on deployments: the government does not care about your Sunday obligations. Any recruiters or government-run sources on the subject will be more than happy to lie to you to make you more likely to sign that dotted line, but the government really seriously does not care about you at all.

545d42  No.814415


Eh. I'll pray for better and hope for the best. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Either way I refuse to let my spirituality slip into the cracks. At the very least there's the chance I'll get lucky, and if not I'll just consider it a trial of my faith. I relish the difficulty when it's something I'm truly passionate about. That part of why I'm doing this, and also why I'm miserable in school: I have no love for where my life is headed nor pride in what I have to do to get there, and I want to change that.

545d42  No.814416


OP btw

bf65a8  No.814775

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Sorry OP, I just don't understand how people can reconcile being a part of the US military while being Catholic/Orthodox. My spiritual father is a pacifist and I admit I am one too. I pray for your safety and a change of heart.

I too wanted to serve, but I became a firefighter paramedic and did that for 6 years professionally. Now I do something else. There have only been a handful of just-wars in the history of mankind, and our babylon tier country will not be involved in one anytime soon.

545d42  No.814843

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I can't really explain why I feel called to serve in this manner in all honesty. I just do. I would love to serve as a fireman or paramedic post term (assuming I don't end up going career or biting it) but I feel called to this particular form of service. I meditated and prayed on the matter that I might be certain that It's the call of God and not some fleeting desire born of the folly of youth, and nothing has changed. What more, as previously stated, such an idea is radically contrary to where I intended my life to go since early high school. I had contemplated it purely for the financial benefits, but such things could never convince me to make this kind of commitment.

I just pray god has something in store for me through this, be it learning the horrors of it all, or learning the true meaning of obedience and service to my fellow man. Possibly a mixture of both. Possibly neither. Possibly something different entirely. Only time will tell, but I know in my heart I have to do this.

The videos and documentaries of Bootcamp are about what I expected (embed related), and I feel like in a year I should be fully capable of exceeding the base requirements physically and mentally. I'm sure the actual experience is different than the just watching it play out, but it's the best I can do before I meet with my OSO.

773901  No.814943

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DON'T winnie the pooh DO IT.

Especially if you live in the United States of America.

You REALLY want to be a good mercenary of the (((Great Satan))), the evil American Empire so that you can bring chaos, destruction and sodomy throughout the world to serve the interests of the children of Satan, namely the Jews?


87fa3f  No.815125


Op here with an update:

My mother is coming around to it, since she realized I couldn't enter OCS without a college education. She has friends who served in the Army and Airforce, so now all she doesn't get is why I would pick the Marines. My primary reasons as I stated before are my Grandfather, personal admiration and self-discipline but it's a bit hard for her to wrap her head around that.

Additionally, I was wondering if some prescription drugs I'm on would get in the way. I don't have any major condition that isn't medicated, but some of them like Adderall require federal input. I also have epilepsy, but it's medicated and it's been well over 6 months since I had a seizure so I'm good to go so long as I can get my pills. I plan to ask my OSO officer, but any idea if this is an issue even if it's not a problem atm?

06fa89  No.815127



Not going to happen OP. Marine Corps DQ for less.

87fa3f  No.815129


I'm still gonna try and see if I can get anywhere with this. I can't not do something. Even if it's a different branch or position I have to try. I'm too deadset on it to back out now.

It doesn't cause any issues like I said, and all the federal restrictions have been lifted for me with regards to thinks like hunting and driving since it's been over 6 months. It's not Photo-epilepsy either btw which I always have to clarify so that might change things. All of my issues are well under control, so I still want to see. I mean, they let people with glasses in, so I don't see the problem.

06fa89  No.815133


The issue is you're medicated. They dont allow asthmatics, depressives, bipolar, schizophrenics, or epileptics join any branch because it is a severe liability not only in duress, but in the after care, they dont want to foot your bill. Those who require glasses arent blind, but likely suffer from far-sightedness.

If you had a seizure in your adult life and are on a register for restricted access to hunting and driving, there is no way you're going to get in. You can talk with a recruiter but make damn sure that that is priority one. Guarantee he will thank you for your interest but it isn't going to go through.

87fa3f  No.815136


>restricted access to hunting and driving

I just said I'm not.

All my pills are generics, so they're dirt cheap compared to name brands. Like I said, I'm still going to inquire because I have to do something with my life other than sit behind a desk numbercrunching. I want some form of civil service at the very least.

87fa3f  No.815137

87fa3f  No.815140


Only VERY sever epilepsy gets you disqualified. Like I said, it's been over 6 months. Disqualification requires WEEKLY seizures.

Post-conscription, the military lowered its bar for qualification by a lot.

ebd015  No.815167


The American Empire is definitely not Christian. In fact it's anti-Christian.

LARPing as a crusader in the middle east is just that. The American military is not there to protect Christians or fight Islam. They are allied with Saudi friggin Arabia.

af71ae  No.815175

Tertullian, Of the Soldier’s Crown, Chapter 11:

>when a man has become a believer, and faith has been sealed, there must be either an immediate abandonment of it [military service], which has been the course with many; or all sorts of quibbling will have to be resorted to in order to avoid offending God, and that is not allowed even outside of military service; or, last of all, for God the fate must be endured which a citizen-faith has been no less ready to accept.Neither does military service hold out escape from punishment of sins, or exemption from martyrdom.

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 110

>us the Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob and God of Israel; and we who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,–our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,–and we cultivate piety, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father Himself through Him who was crucified;

Ireneus, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 34-4)

>But if the law of liberty, that is, the word of God, preached by the apostles (who went forth from Jerusalem) throughout all the earth, caused such a change in the state of things, that these [nations] did form the swords and war-lances into ploughshares, and changed them into pruning-hooks for reaping the grain, [that is], into instruments used for peaceful purposes, and that they are now unaccustomed to fighting, but when smitten, offer also the other cheek, Matthew 5:39 then the prophets have not spoken these things of any other person, but of Him who effected them

Origen, Contra Celsum, Book V, 33

>And to those who inquire of us whence we come, or who is our founder, we reply that we have come, agreeably to the counsels of Jesus, to cut down our hostile and insolent 'wordy' swords into ploughshares, and to convert into pruning-hooks the spears formerly employed in war. For we no longer take up sword against nation, nor do we learn war any more, having become children of peace, for the sake of Jesus, who is our leader

94d787  No.815180


The church doesn't require you to be a pacifist nor abandon military service. What OP should be concerned is this>>815167

7cc505  No.815185


And the kicker(s) of them all,

>You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer, but whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also. And the one who wants to go to court with you and take your tunic, let him have your outer garment also. And whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven, because he causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not the tax collectors also do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing that is remarkable? Do not the Gentiles also do the same? Therefore you be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

>Love must be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; be attached to what is good, being devoted to one another in brotherly love, esteeming one another more highly in honor, not lagging in diligence, being enthusiastic in spirit, serving the Lord, rejoicing in hope, enduring in affliction, being devoted to prayer, contributing to the needs of the saints, pursuing hospitality. Bless those who persecute, bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep. Think the same thing toward one another; do not think arrogantly but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own sight Pay back no one evil for evil. Take thought for what is good in the sight of all people. If it is possible on your part, be at peace with all people. Do not take revenge yourselves, dear friends, but give place to God’s wrath, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this, you will heap up coals of fire upon his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

>Take thought for what is good in the sight of all people. If it is possible on your part, be at peace with all people.


Might be true, but one is higher than the other, as high as God is above man in Being, as high as the celibate is above the married, etc.

8de81e  No.815209


Post-conscription yes. That really means "we've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and hours training you, we want to keep you" not "you've got a restrictive medical disorder it's ok let's train you up and get on the hook for your medical costs" The USMC is going through cuts like crazy, on top of which they've been slammed for lax recruiting standards and they're tightening it up. You're walking in with a recent seizure which lead to restrictions, requires prescription, and you've also got a need for adderall. That is costs they have to cover, on top of the fact that it's a liability in the field. If you submit paperwork, its going to go to BuMed. BuMed is likely not going to go in your favor. I'm sorry to be harsh, but that's the truth. Guys have been rejected for way less.

Honestly, I would strongly consider the National Park Service. Everything they do as far as I know ethically is on the up and up, you get time outdoors doing something meaningful and saving lives.

94bf9c  No.815744


I was thinking of joining the military, But because I'm a sperg they'd likely make me a wall mumbler

1c39b6  No.817459

Why would you want to die for Israel?

5bea10  No.819655



If you can possibly reconcile becoming a warrior of the known Satanists, Usurers, pedophiles & Communists ruling the planet with being a warrior of Christ, I'd suggest you pray more. Most world leaders today aren't just in simple ignorance, they're in a state of full concious rejection of God.


This, so much.


Do you think the Catholic concept of Social Justice is the same thing as the modern term "Social Justice"? Stop falling for Leftist word games, "Socialism" was a broader term back then. The better reason to not be NatSoc is that it places race over God. For contrast, the Iron Guard was a Third Position movement that was more conciously & explicitly an attempt at preservation of Christian culture, while still acknowledging the right of a nation to self determination. So a rejection of both Capitalism and Communism as un-Christian doesn't mean you default to "ebul Nahtsee", that's just a false dilemma.


Basically, yeah. There's been a lot of thinly veiled recruitment threads lately on various boards, I suspect it's a feeble attempt to draw off some more bodies for the upcoming war with Iran.

5bea10  No.819657

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Oh and ISIS? You mean the Mossad boogeyman that actually apologised to accidentally bombing Israel?

The only thing you're guarding is pic related. You're helping Israel & their golems crush the remnants of Christian civilisation, nothing more.

266e39  No.819911


Good luck, don't die during training, and pray your life isn't thrown into the grinder.

43f435  No.819922

>Using Jerusalem cross with US marine corps

>US, the ZOG golem



based and red pilled.

0336b5  No.819940

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2936b6  No.819945


Did OP seriously ignore this video ?

Why do you want to be a mercenary for the (((children of Satan))) who belong to the (((Synagogue of Satan))) ?

c4ba1d  No.819947

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2936b6  No.819949



Is that peak (((/r/Christian))) shilling ?

11c0b1  No.819973



You're there to die for Israel goyim. And the human right for sodomites to castrate themselves and dress up as women. And for the abolishment of nations and of the complete destruction of male authority in society. And you're doing it for what? So the system can discard you as soon as you're no longer a useful idiot.

The ZOG military has court-martialed its own for mentioning Christ in passing conversation. Gay pride parades and feminist parades are mandatory.

de64b2  No.820065

As an Orthodox, should I join a PMC? It seems much better than the military: better training, better assignments, better pay.

dab138  No.820078

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PMCs usually hire former military or law enforcement. So you would have to go through the military wringer anyway. It's cheaper to just hire former military or law enforcement than to hire and train an undisciplined young adult. save desk and admin work. Im sure PMC bureaucrats aren't expected to be trained in combat like an NCO for the military to be

The pay is better but you are also doing dirty work the government can't officially do. You are basically a mercenary.

Personally I wouldn't join a PMC, shady work for none of the prestige or pension the government promises you. Not worth it unless the PMC solely bases it's identity around Christ and the ethics to back it up.

77f35d  No.820388

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Four Words:

United States Coast Guard

019e8f  No.820393

>>820388 (checked)

Based and coastpilled

e14ddf  No.820396


>As an Orthodox, should I join a PMC?

You should first join the Catholic Church, then we can talk

4808db  No.820431


>No, in order to expand America's sphere of influence(with the assorted allied regional powers, puppet states, friendly regimes, etc.), project their power as a global hegemon, and access to cheap resources in the Middle East.

Now explain how the recent fights in Syria and the warmongering against Iran helps American interests when the only ones in favor of it are the Israelis (Golan oil finds & Nukes respectively) and Saudis (muh Sunni supremacy) and it actively alienates hugely important allies like Turkey who've been increasingly moving towards Russia and China over the Kurds.

>b-but it's in our favor to die for Genie Energy and to create actual Communist states in previously stable territory

It rings as hollow now as it did when you traitorous winnie the poohs excused USS Liberty as no biggie.

311007  No.820442


Thanks for your service anon! Godspeed and stay safe

fd4443  No.820476


>Now explain how the recent fights in Syria and the warmongering against Iran helps American interests when the only ones in favor of it are the Israelis (Golan oil finds & Nukes respectively) and Saudis (muh Sunni supremacy)

Closer allies, more bases, more cultural influence, cheaper oil.

>and it actively alienates hugely important allies like Turkey who've been increasingly moving towards Russia and China over the Kurds.

Eh, kinda.

Not that Turkey didn't get some nice pan-ottomanist ambitions out of this fiasco:


>It rings as hollow now as it did when you traitorous winnie the poohs excused USS Liberty as no biggie.

Who's we?

I'm from Eastern Europe(NATO, though).

I hate American middle-eastern interventionism, i think christians shouldn't join the army in the current geopolitical context, that glossing over the current Petro-Islam radicalization is the biggest problem we have, and it's gonna bite us hugely in the ass, and imo the Saudi royal family should be executed for crimes against humanity, but i understand why they do this crap.

fd4443  No.820477


They being the US army, just to be clear.

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