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93dcc3  No.2594

I grew up in a liberal household in a liberal part of America; I was raised a christian by my parents whom I love.

I don't hate anyone and I certainly don't hate anyone for their race but one thing that angers me deep down is race-mixing. I don't necessarily see miscegenation as a bad thing but ever single multi-racial couple at my school is pretty much a black dude with a white girl almost without fail. This wouldn't be bad if the couples were a bit more "diverse" but no, deep down I probably hate these people but I want to love them just as God loves me.

Anyone have any advise on how I can deal with this?

000000  No.2595

White with black just looks gross. And some Indian girls I see, they remind me of dirt. They just look so dirty. They are kind of gross too.


412a5b  No.2596

File: 158141533d0b1a1⋯.png (328.37 KB, 791x628, 791:628, ELCA.png)

File: 0fe8057de408a14⋯.png (513.31 KB, 667x822, 667:822, ELCA2.png)

Step one (critical): stop going to ELCA churches

Actual relevant answer: refine your theology. You are feeling cognitive dissonance between your doctrine ("I don't necessarily see miscegenation sa a bad thing") and your natural impulse ("one thing that angers me deep down is race-mixing")

You need to figure out: Is your innate reaction wrong, or your assessment of the ethics of miscegenation wrong?

I think it's obviously the latter. By very premise of God making the races, it is wrong for us to transgress those bounds. There are a million theological and even purely secular arguments to prove this point, see faithandheritage.com and alternative hypothesis on youtube for each.

>>2595

False flag torposter. Every person of every race is of great value and made in the image of God.

Christian race realism has no connection with spitefulness to other races.


000000  No.2597

>>2596

What do you even mean false flag?

That is my honest view, race-mixing certain races, such as white and black is just gross.


000000  No.2598

>>2596

Also blacks come from lesser stock. Scientifically speaking, they are the least-evolved race.


412a5b  No.2601

>>2597

It means I'm suspicious that you're misrepresenting Christians. I agree that mixing is wrong but it isn't right to cast a race as being of lesser value inherently.

The chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever. This is possible for a man of every race by believing on Jesus as Lord. All other distinctions are ancillary to this, like cranial size, average vertical et cetera. I agree that there are obvious differences to these which are greater and worse when comparing the races, if that's all you mean.


eed200  No.2603

>>2596

Based and redpilled


d2bad6  No.2606

>>2596

Polite sage for being slightly off topic, but that first pic… seriously…. what is it with Liberal/Feminine leaning men and that open faced smile? Why is it so creepily ubiquitous amongst them?


63d3e9  No.2611

>>2606

that's a woman. But still, I know what you mean


d2bad6  No.2612

>>2611

>that's a woman.

……..I honestly thought that the trans person was the individual on the left, and that they were a man trying to be a woman or a woman trying to be a man….. I'm….flabbergasted….. please tell me you're yanking my chain.


2a6c2d  No.2615

>>2594

Just keep it to yourself. It is just the era we live in right now


d2bad6  No.2637

>>2611

>>2612

*Looks it up online*

*Sigh* Why am I even surprised anymore?


16e241  No.2651

God separated people at the Tower of Babel. Race is real.

But think about some of the parables Jesus directed at Jews and Gentiles. The servants who worked an hour were given the same pay as those who'd worked all day. Some people are given ten talents, some five, some one. Regardless of what hand you're dealt, you'll be rewarded as long as you don't bury your talent in the ground. If you share race with the man who wrote Amazing Grace and the man who stepped on the moon, but waste your God-given potential on Atheism or whatever, you'll be punished.


fa390d  No.2656

>Anyone have any advise on how I can deal with this?

You can't really 'deal' with them, only cold reality can. Race traitors are the fruit of a rotten society. Their selfishness destroys traditions, culture, heritage and the very foundation of nations. The hatred you feel is not for them, but for their actions and the culture that created it. There is nothing wrong with hate, just as long as it is not blind hate.

If your church is preaching 'love is love' or any other perversion of the emotions God has given us I would suggest finding a new church as Equality worship is not far behind.


3abb94  No.2697

You are racist. Deal with it and get over it. Culture is manufactured not divine.


855660  No.2845

>>2594

>I don't hate anyone and I certainly don't hate anyone for their race but one thing that angers me deep down is race-mixing.

You should hate race mixing. The bible is clearly opposed to it. Modern Christianity has been poisoned with jew morality and become so blind that they actually adopt the "diversity" being used as a tool to genocide Christian populations on the planet.

No one with a functioning mind can deny the importance the bible places on a person's bloodlines. Who our fathers were is important, and our identification and organization by our ancestry is just one aspect of that. Diversity is the denial of our fathers and the promises, destiny, and attributes of our ancestry defines much about ourselves. To erase our connection to our fathers is to erase our understanding of ourselves and our worlds.

Loving and supporting one's own race isn't at all bad or evil, it's an essential for a Godly world.


0c5a68  No.2847

>>2697

Read about ethnos and nations in pre-modern christianity and stop being a cuck.


a5b295  No.2862

>>2847

Based


3b1f2d  No.2864

>>2847

Based and Ethnospilled.


449ca6  No.3082

>>2594

If you say you love everything your love isn't genuine and you will go to hell.


f28eb6  No.3191

>>2845

So I'm bad because I'm half turkish?


e170e6  No.3196

in truth there is no such thing a racial mixing. race is a social construct. not biological. therefore skin tone can never really be a real indicator of race. knowing that it is a scientific fact by now that race actually does not exist it might be easier to accept other peoples relationship choices.


a22461  No.3197

>>3196

You are a Marxist, whether you know it or not. This is not biblical.


b6f281  No.3198

>>3196

>is pretty much a black dude with a white girl almost without fail.

I never see that.


e63f2d  No.3236

>>3196

>scientific fact


adca7f  No.3286

The Boomers replaced the capital vices, pride, envy, sloth, wrath, avarice, lust, gluttony, with racism, sexism, and homophobia, so that they could indulge in the actual capital vices with impunity, while condemning contrary virtues like chastity and sacraments like marriage as oppression.

The idea that racism is a sin is itself a sin.

The reason you see so many Black teenage male / White teenage female couples is that (1) women and men are forced into the same schools even after puberty, despite women going through puberty before men (2) Blacks and Whites are forced into the same schools, despite Blacks going through puberty before Whites (3) so at puberty, when the young women start looking for men, who are the young men closest to them?

Coeducation and integration cause many serious problems, but are demanded by the Boomer morality which exists to deny Christian morality.


9d22e1  No.3372

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c23a54  No.3375

>>3372

Nice

What is that font rendering though


e4c838  No.3430

This thread is really disappointing. I'm gonna need some verses from the people who are trying to say race-mixing is sinful. Other than the Tower of Babel stuff, my only guess is that you're going to try to pull out Old Testament restrictions on Israelites from marrying gentiles - very obviously non-applicable to modern Christians. The only relevant restrictions on marriage that I can think of right now:

>Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

>2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked with non-beleivers.

I'm soon to be married to a woman of a different race than me, and this woman helped me find Christ in the first place… We are both looking to serve God through our marriage and I have no reason to believe scripturally that this is wrong.

OP, if you're still looking at this thread, I think it should be blatantly clear that your feeling of hatred towards these people is the problem. Please pray to grow in grace and love towards others. God has called us from every nation - do not be swayed by people that say it's okay to be partial to any group other than the Body of Christ.


4d991a  No.3431

>>3430

Back out now before it's too late

By very premise of God's creation of separate races it is a transgression to cross his line.

See faithandheritage.com for the fullest argument against miscegenation


a81cc9  No.3433

>>2594

bible and science says we're all related, of course there are certain genetic trends within homogenous populations but they're not inherent.


669ab7  No.3434

Race mixing is selfish; the children have identity issues and trouble finding bone marrow donors. I don't see it as a theological issue.


ecdb7b  No.3436

>>3430

I'll give you the same response I posted in the politics thread over at /christian/ before my posts were deleted and got permabanned for an "unspecified" reason:

Take a look at the book of Genesis and see how over half of it is dedicated to ancient Israel's genealogy and history.

Then consider the fact that you could not be a part of the Israelite nation unless you shared that same lineage.

Finally, see how Deuteronomy 4:5-7 calls for all the nations of the world to follow ancient Israel's example, and you end up with God's definition of nationhood; a people with common religion, descent, history, culture, and language, inhabiting a specific territory.

Now tell me, what could a family, the original cell of the nation, be worth if it doesn't serve as a foundation to it?

It's no coincidence that our acultural, ahistorical, mutli-ethnic, and irreligious countries can't orginize and articulate an opposition to the rampant cultural subversion taking place. There's no meaningful sense of community anymore.


e4c838  No.3457

>>3431

>>3436

You two are completely ignoring the idea that as Christians, we are one "nation". And together we have different descents, histories, cultures, and languages… But we are all children of God. Do you think that after we're all saved, we're meant to be isolated from other believers from different nations? They certainly weren't at Pentecost.

The arguments based on the Old Testament (like Faith and Heritage's) are pretty poor because they ignore the fact that marrying someone outside of Israel almost certainly met that you were marrying a non-believer that worshiped pagan gods. The Tower of Babel separated languages, not really "races". "Nations", sure. Skin color would not necessarily come into play. Would you be against marrying a woman fresh out of Germany?

All of this is gross legalism with shoddy scriptural support. If two Christians of different races want to begin a family and serve Christ, I see no issue.


30cd3e  No.3458

>>3457

>You two are completely ignoring the idea that as Christians, we are one "nation".

You, like every egalitarian, are not seriously considering the argument. It's obvious you're dismissing it because of your presupposition.

The separate races exist even among regenerated Christians. We are one figuratively, related to our common faith, but Jew and Greek are still as real as male and female.


669ab7  No.3460

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>>3457

>You two are completely ignoring the idea that as Christians, we are one "nation"


cd4912  No.3461

>>3457

Jesus killers shill miscegenation. Case closed.


ecdb7b  No.3463

>>3457

>You two are completely ignoring the idea that as Christians, we are one "nation".

I ignore that concept of "nation" and the idea that we are together in one because it's made up and unsupported by scriptures.

>And together we have different descents, histories, cultures, and languages…

The exact opposite is stated in Deuteronomy 32:8; God separated the nations.

>If two Christians of different races want to begin a family and serve Christ, I see no issue.

Those "christians" are defying God's established order and acting selfishly. They won't ever serve Christ that way.

And you don't want to see the issue because you're blinded by pride and prejudice. Otherwise you would at least try to refute anything itt and/or back up your own claims with scripture.


e4c838  No.3576

>>3463

<unsupported by scriptures

>Galatians 3:26-28 - for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>Romans 10:12 - For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

>Ephesians 4:4-6 - There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

>John 17:20-23 - "I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

Furthermore, specifically talking about interracial marriage, you'd be in disagreement with the likes of William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias (married outside of his race), John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, John Piper, and the website GotQuestions. All of these people I imagine would be the very first to eliminate any compromise of Scripture for the sake of the current culture.

Once again, this is the sin of legalism. Please turn from this. If you're worried about people pushing the dilution of the white race, I understand - but a people being in Christ is far more important than a skin color ever was or ever will be.


ac5c55  No.3577

>>3576

Legalism doesn't mean "holding to standards I think are wrong"


e4c838  No.3579

>>3577

A big part of it is trying to make others adhere to personal rules that don't have scriptural basis. And especially in saying "'christians'", that implies questioning the legitimacy of someone's faith due to it (unless I'm misreading).


ecdb7b  No.3596

>>3576

>Galatians 3:26-28

This deals with worship limitations that were in place at that time in Galatia. Slaves could not worship alongside non-slaves, women alongside men, etc.

All Paul is saying is that no such limitations are considered by the Christian faith.

Your twisted interpretation opens a can of worms where nations are abolished and sodomy is allowed.

>Romans 10:12

All people from all the nations can attain salvation, not just the Jews. This doesn't imply that nations don't exist and/or mustn't remain separated.

Again, your interpretation misses the point and introduces non-existent meaning into the passage.

>Ephesians 4:4-6

Paul identifies and distinguishes our Triune God. Then states that He is sovereign over everything and everyone and that no other god is higher than Him.

This passage misses the point of the argument so hard, I can't even imagine where you were trying to go with it.

>John 17:20-23

Same as the previous passage.

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel with misinterpreted verses, made up meanings, and completely unrelated scripture.

>you'd be in disagreement with the likes of…

>heretics

>GotQuestions.org

No wonder you thought the passages above supported your made up theology.

Also:

>Appealing to authority

>Once again, this is the sin of legalism.

See >>3460.

>If you're worried about people pushing the dilution of the white race

There's no such thing as "white race". It's an empty, made up term with no value.

There's the French, Spanish, Russian, Greek, English, etc. All with a common defined descent, history, culture, language, and territory.

>but a people being in Christ is far more important than a skin color ever was or ever will be.

That's both a strawman and a false dichotomy.

A strawman because it's not just about skin, and it is not just about race. It is about God's own acknowledgement of the existence of the nations, what they are, and how they should be preserved.

And a false dichotomy because you are implying that we should choose between two valid teachings of our faith.

All in all; you failed to substantiate your claims and you didn't acknowledge, much less refute, any of the arguments presented.


6ef0a7  No.3597

>>3576

> there is no Male or female

Guess that means homosexuality is completely legal in christianity. Despite it being ripped apart in another verse by paul. This is why they put jew and greek as differing entites and this is the case in heaven not on earth. The earth isn't fair get used to it.


6ef0a7  No.3598

>>3596

You aren't even using the strongest argument against him. Which is the antichrist will literally bring forth a global government.

Revelation chapter 13

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.


2986b8  No.3607

>>3577

But it does mean to not add to God's laws, see Deuteronomy 4:2.

>B-b-but God said then to not marry foreign women

Which only meant unrepentantly idolatrous non-Hebraic women, which meant practically all of them. But the man who transmitted that law was himself married to a non-Hebraic woman who was faithful to God. Being against inter-racial marriage simply for racial reasons was heinous to God, hence cursing Aaron and Miriam for hating the Cushite and Moses' marriage to her.

>>3597

The Galatians passage is about one's identity within the covenantal unity of Christ's kingdom, not metaphysical sexual identity which is enforced by Scripture. Nice try doing what Marxists and feminazis try to do with Galatians 3:26-28.

>this is the case in heaven not on earth

>The earth isn't fair get used to it.

Nobody significant to the survival of the West and of white peoples cares. Fear God, keep His commandments, don't be an unironic white racist.

>>3598

>Which is the antichrist will literally bring forth a global government.

Guess what Jesus will do in the Parousia and New Earth! Guess you should just quit Christianity now because Jesus is now literally the Anti-Christ. :^)


06ebaf  No.3610

>>3607

>But it does mean to not add to God's laws

No it doesn't. That's a valid rule, but not what legalism means. Legalism is a soteriological heresy.


a5b295  No.3613

>>3607

>But it does mean to not add to God's laws

What if one does not claim scripture strictly forbids racemixing, but puts forth a philosophical or otherwise extra-biblical reason as the primary basis of their opposition?

>Which only meant unrepentantly idolatrous non-Hebraic women

How about you substantiate that through exegesis instead of just asserting it. Until you do your argument is "the bible says X but it means Y not X"

>which meant practically all of them

Deuteronomy 28:30-34 says "You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall ravish her. You shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it. You shall plant a vineyard, but you shall not enjoy its fruit. Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat any of it. Your donkey shall be seized before your face, but shall not be restored to you. Your sheep shall be given to your enemies, but there shall be no one to help you. Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, while your eyes look on and fail with longing for them all day long, but you shall be helpless. A nation that you have not known shall eat up the fruit of your ground and of all your labors, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually, so that you are driven mad by the sights that your eyes see". Now I ask, is this prospect such a bad thing because it would mean widespread idolatry in the land, or is it a bad thing because God created and separated the nations of the earth, and it is assumed that we should cherish our tribe as the extension of our family? It is indeed striking that God should count national destruction the greatest curse He could bestow if we are to hold a worldview of racial apathy. If race is only skin deep, and nation merely a matter of culture, and Christians to not recognize tribe at all, then why should I find this curse to be punishment? After all, would it not be consistent from your perspective to simply not care that another nation eats up the fruit of my ground and of all my labors? Am I to believe this is lamentable because my children worship idols, not because they are enslaved and destroyed?

I think it is particularly significant when it says "You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall ravish her". What is the standard insult for these degenerate people in the west? Cuckold. Each of these individual examples in the curse are just metaphors for general national replacement, so what is cuckolding on a national/racial scale? Miscegenation.

And is it not also noteworthy that this curse is promised for national apostasy, and the nations of Europe, especially those which once shone forth with the light of the gospel before the whole world, which have now become apostate, are struck with this very curse? Is this not the blueprint of Europe's destruction? Yet we are Christians, living in the new covenant.

>But the man who transmitted that law was himself married to a non-Hebraic woman who was faithful to God

It was a strange exception for them. Do you think ancient Israel was some modernistic cosmopolitan utopia? Nationalistic does not even describe the extent of their xenophobia. When miscegenation ceases to be strange and exceptional, but is normalized beyond that, it becomes sinful, because it is rebellion against God's creation of race and nation.

>The Galatians passage is about one's identity within the covenantal unity of Christ's kingdom

Which is precisely why it does not undermine the reality of race and nation or the separation thereof, because these things are earthly. We should segregate the Church by segregating the nations. Hard to have a racially diverse church when the nation is not racially diverse.

>Nice try doing what Marxists and feminazis try to do with Galatians 3:26-28

Astoundingly little self-awareness

>Guess what Jesus will do in the Parousia and New Earth!

Well I can tell you what He will do before then: destroy this world and its rules. Nice try with the blasphemy comparing Jesus to the beast.


e80264  No.3617

Hi I'm not very knowledgeable about the Bible, could someone please point me to some verses about racemixing/nations in this context? I didn't realize how much it talked about in the Bible. Maybe I haven't seen it because I've focused more on the New Testament; I haven't really seen Jesus or the Apostles talk about it. Unless I missed it?


b47a81  No.3618

>>3617

Acts 17:26 NASB — and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,


1b4c3e  No.3623

>>3617

There’s a lot of talk about it in the New Testament. The heretical edomites were forcefully integrated into Judea and these are who Jesus calls the fake jews and synagogue of Satan.


cd1dbe  No.3630

>>3623

Are you meming?


1ee359  No.3633

>Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation

>This wouldn't be bad if the couples were a bit more "diverse" but no, deep down I probably hate these people but I want to love them just as God loves me.

>Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

To love someone doesn't mean to let them walk over you, or your values. The bible doesn't encourage or discourage race mixing, so this value is up to the individual. I personally would say to focus on finding yourself a gf instead of getting tilted over every black man dating a white woman.


ecdb7b  No.3640

>>3633

>The bible doesn't encourage or discourage race mixing

Here's an instance of a religiously, racially and historically aware Israelite ensuring his own legacy, the old covenant, isn't lost:

>Be on your guard, son, against every kind of fornication, and above all, marry a woman of your own ancestral family. Do not marry a foreign woman, one who is not of your father’s tribe, because we are descendants of the prophets, who were the first to speak the truth. Noah prophesied first, then Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our ancestors from the beginning of time. Son, remember that all of them took wives from among their own kindred and were blessed in their children, and that their posterity would inherit the land. Therefore, son, love your kindred. Do not act arrogantly toward any of them, the sons and daughters of your people, by refusing to take a wife for yourself from among them. For in arrogance there is ruin and great instability. In idleness there is loss and dire poverty, for idleness is the mother of famine.

- Tobit 4:12-13. NABRE.


3c4620  No.3644

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2feed4  No.3655

>>3640

>Tobit

>Bible


1ee359  No.3784

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>>3640

>>3655

Even in the bible race mixing was always from the context of the Israelites/ancient Judaism not mixing, so it's not the same as the white race mixing that the OP talks about.


0b4610  No.3787

>>3784

You want to know a secret. caucasians are actually red skinned we just have the outward appearance of looking "white" which in its self is destructive terminology. It really should be germanics, italics and other groups in that sense. You don't see jews running around calling themselves semites. Unless it's for "anti semitism"


0b4610  No.3812

>>3457

>Nehemiah 13:22-27

>And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy. 23In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: 24And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. 25And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. 26Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. 27Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?


4ba31e  No.3814

>>2594

it's always chucked and pathetic white ingels like you that complain


098d18  No.3815

>>3457

>But we are all children of God. Do you think that after we're all saved, we're meant to be isolated from other believers from different nations?

>Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation

The bible is pretty anti-globalism.

>The Tower of Babel separated languages, not really "races". "Nations", sure.

This is another example of anti-globalism, God has been trying to stop the externalization of Global governments.

>If two Christians of different races want to begin a family and serve Christ, I see no issue.

The bible leaves this up to the individual, It's a political standard, and i don't see any issue with Christians wanting to avoid race mixing.




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