No.19365
Gentlemen and >ladies of the great Chanadian federation,
Earlier today a Grundeswegian won the imperial crown of the HKR -
http://www.reddit.com/r/Civcraft/comments/2zppdj/announcing_the_second_emperor_of_the_holy/This means that should we choose to go forward with it, the unification of the Chans can be made a reality. With both sides having a nether portal, the unification would be more than just symbolic and would allow for real cooperation to build a great and far reaching empire of the chans. Besides getting to be super nationalistic, the combined legacies of Breslau, Grundeswald, and Chanada would give the PCU unprecedented political and territorial power, as well as a great opportunity for economic cooperation.
What remains up for discussion is what the organization of this union would look like and the status of the HKR imperial crown. The HKR operates more or less the same as Chanada does so there likely wouldn't be that much terribly different besides the expansion of the chan family.
What do yallz think? Hopefully we can have a meeting tomorrow to discuss this.
No.19366
>>19365Is a union of federations useful?
I want at least an alliance with HKR since they are brethren by blood, but I am not quite sure I understand how a union helps either of us.
No.19367
We should have a union and have the one clause be that they're all called the same thing on the map under one name and the same colour.
And obviously other stuff, but I think unifying the chan states on the map would be pretty great.
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No.19369
Dave and I were discussing having Canada join the HKE as one member state with multiple electors. We'd probably change the name to the HKR (Holy Kaiserreich) in that circumstance.
Will explain in greater detail if asked
No.19371
>>19369Chanada as a HKE member doesn't really seem like a good option considering the size of it.
Maybe around october
No.19372
>>19369>Canada:^)
That'd be cool tho
No.19374
>>19369I dont think enough people would agree to becoming a member state as opposed to forming a new union
No.19376
>>19369Why don't we just call it the Holy Fourth Reich as a way to glorify the 4th Reich, which was the first Chan settlement on Civcraft.
Like how the Holy Roman Empire was named after Roman Empire but it wasn't actually Roman.
It would work imo
No.19378
>>19376The HKE is kind of cool, with their member states and their elected emperors and I can see a lot of their players find it more fun to play because of that, so I wouldn't want to interfere with that.
A Union of Unions can work without interfering with their structure I guess, but I think chanada and hke should be seperate on maps.
No.19380
>>19378I think something like the HKE would work really well because it would make people active just for kinda fun roleplay stuff.
It might not matter but we'd get to act like a huge gigantic empire without anything actually changing besides our appearance.
Having one person be the King of Emperor would be interesting especially with the # of people in Chanada which is huge vs HKE which is relatively low.
No.19381
come on just look how cool it looks all together
if we secure a land mass uniting the Krautchanners and the 4/8Channers it would look fucking amazing on the map.
No.19382
>>19381wow i fuck up spelling so much when im high lmfao
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No.19389
>>19369Further detail plz
No.19394
>>19380>I think something like the HKE would work really well because it would make people active just for kinda fun roleplay stuff.I think it works very well for some, but I fear it might drive other people away over time, or would be harder to bring new people in if that's the only chan option.
That's why I'd rather have the HKE and our less rp heavy chanada.
>Having one person be the King of Emperor would be interesting especially with the # of people in Chanada which is huge vs HKE which is relatively low.Kind of clashes.
HKE have their emperors and it fits their structure, but Chanada just have reps from each town.
>>19381Hantzus combat alt has already inflitrated the union that covers that area right? So we're halfway there already.
I think we should be wary of creating a bureaucratic mess, especially one that people might feel the need to rebel against.
No.19395
>>19376you're fucking high if you think Prussia would be part of anything called itself the Forth Reich
>>19389Basically Grundeswald and Gensokyo used to be in a union as well, eventually due to their populations they both became full member states
I have no doubt that if Chanada joined the HKE it's possible that eventually each city could have Elector status.
As it stands now, the Chanadian Federation would not change. You'd still have your two reps per city or whatever it is, and you'd still handle all internal things the way you've done before.
What would change is that you'd choose an Elector (or Electors, or a group of people with one vote, whatever, we'll sort that out as it comes) who would be sent to the Imperial Sessions (which happen every ~2 months), to vote on things which would effect the entire Empire (new members, shuffling of Electors, declaration of war, official memeing). Electors also cast a vote for the Emperor, which is elected every 6 months and has executive power.
Anyone in the HKE can run for Emperor and potentially be an Elector. The Member States are almost entirely autonomous.
Basically, this would be a united front encompassing half the map in a military union and an avenue for handling all disputes. It's a rejection of the stupid Pvpocracies around the server and a chance to roleplay and do other autistic shit without the tryhard WP kids coming in and ruining shit.
No.19396
>>19395What obligations/responsibilities would that place on Chanada? Would Chanadians be free to more or less ignore the political autism roleplay aspect of it and proceed as they are right now if they aren't interested in it? I personally think it sounds cool, just wanna address other peoples' concerns.
No.19398
>>19395>Basically, this would be a united front encompassing half the map in a military union and an avenue for handling all disputes. It's a rejection of the stupid Pvpocracies around the server and a chance to roleplay and do other autistic shit without the tryhard WP kids coming in and ruining shit.FUCKING SOLD
No.19399
>>19365we would have to reorganize the Religious system.
Competing deities are catpeter, givemechild, and katten (I think).
Best way to further solidify a union would some sort of mixture. I propose "Chanism" with the god, Anonymous, sending multiple prophets such as catpeter, givemechild, and the rest.
Ethno-religion when
No.19400
>>19396>What obligations/responsibilities would that place on Chanada?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KUXgft1uX57o290JdEatBgpK6-sX_Og5D3p8zoXZuKc/edit#heading=h.gp373oe98zfy"Its most essential purpose for its members is to act as a mediator and assistance for any requested purpose, and to offer a point of hope, joy, and morality for all."
I guess the only thing I could think of is that if Chanada and say, Grundeswald got into a territorial dispute (how that would happen I have no idea) we would need to let the Imperial administration handle that.
>Would Chanadians be free to more or less ignore the political autism roleplay aspect of it and proceed as they are right now if they aren't interested in it? Do whatever the fuck you want man
No.19401
>>19399we must purge the nonbelievers
No.19403
>>19399We could retcon everything the gods into being a part of a polytheistic pantheon.
Or just ignore it and let people have their faiths.
Either can be fun.
No.19404
>>19395
>Basically, this would be a united front encompassing half the map in a military union and an avenue for handling all disputes. It's a rejection of the stupid Pvpocracies around the server and a chance to roleplay and do other autistic shit without the tryhard WP kids coming in and ruining shit.SIGN ME UP
No.19409
While I'm only the Reichsmarschall of Polynesia, I don't seem to see any other Pollacks posting here, so I will:
I think a united Chan-based union would be a good idea, but a union at most, not countries being merged, unless they want to.
I envision something more like the EU or NATO, rather than a 4th Reich, each country still governs themselves, but all countries offer aid and support to other member countries.
Due to a union, we would have more military power than most of leddit combined. I'd also like for us to claim and build on the area south of Prussia, so we're more connected.
>Taking land to unify the 3rd Reich with Prussia
>DejaVu.gif
:^)
if we capture the land bridge between us, it will allow much easier logistics, as well as helping to solidify our power on the server.
Then again, this might just end up like the Chanadian union (AKA: We talk, but nothing ever gets done).
Pic related.
No.19414
>>19411Nice meme :^)
But yeah, I meant as in a union of nations. Not full-EU tier with one nation pretty much forcing every other nation to suck nigger dick.
>tfw Belgium is somehow the leader of the EU pretty much, despite Germany being the main thing keeping the entire thing collapsing>tfw Germany doesn't control all of EuropeWhy did you let the bad guys win? ;-;
No.19416
*from collapsing
:^)
No.19418
>>19414If germany official controlled the EU the americans and the soviets would invade again
No.19425
pls no bully the U3P
No.19427
>>19425u3p is ded as a doorknob
No.19430
>>19427I was just in Yoahtl they had at least 5 people online.
No.19431
Holy shit I am semi erect browsing this thread. My dream of the united chans is coming.
I'm all for what cheeze said.
>>19409Then again. EU is pretty shit.
I'd rather see this union as an 'Axis Coalition'.
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No.19439
>>19433Nignog alive or dead its been written in stone
Chanada must expand
No.19442
>>19439Did I say otherwise? No, so calm your tits.
No.19443
I don't think we should become electors under their Emperor, that makes no sense and would eventually lead to conflicts of independence. What would make more sense is simply uniting us both into a common foreign policy and mutual defense pact and see how that works. Chanada should be allowed and indeed encouraged to swallow people like Kolima and Xiphias as much as possible, without having to kowtow to some Krautchan emperor to add them as 'electors'.
No.19445
>>19443The Emperor only rules over the Empire as a whole, as far as I can tell. They don't direct the individual electorates' actions except possibly in matters internal to the empire ("The Emperor is the first spokesperson for political and diplomatic matters for the Empire as a whole, though the Kingdoms override for themselves what the Emperor says.") So we'd only really run into problems if we, say, got in a territory dispute with Prussia or Grundeswald, which seems pretty unlikely due to geography alone. Other than that we'd keep our independence.
I'm basing my understanding of the situation off of the description of the HKE here (
http://civcraft.co/doku.php?id=groups:nations:hke), so of course it depends on the accuracy of that page.
No.19447
I can agree to joining the HKE in a new Union (Holy 4th Reich when?) and gaining elector status as long as autonomy is retained.
>mfw Greater Chan Military Alliance marches to war
No.19451
Really makes more sense for Chanada to just become a member.
It would be simpler and we wouldn't lost anything by doing so.
No.19467
>>19443>swallow xiphiaslike this nigga doesn't know that xiphias has been part of FAGT since the beginning of time
No.19468
>>19447Chanada as a whole wouldn't just be one elector either, all the member states would have electors so we'd be either equal to or outnumbering the original HKE states. Wouldn't be hard to put up a Chanadian emperor if people actually worked together.
No.19470
>>19431>I'd rather see this union as an 'Axis Coalition'.>>19443>I don't think we should become electors under their Emperor, that makes no sense and would eventually lead to conflicts of independence. What would make more sense is simply uniting us both into a common foreign policy and mutual defense pact and see how that works.I agree with this.
No.19472
I'd just like to remind everyone that HKE has way less citizens than us, like Akihabara has more active citizens than all of it combined.
This should be a merger, not us swearing fealty. We're much greater than them
No.19474
>>19472Gensokyo has more citizens than Akihabara
Get with the times nerdo.
No.19476
>>19474
Akihabara: Centipede777 (idk)
SpazzyGenious (ded)
Moscow (ded)
daddo69 (semi)
ArturialDwan (semi)
WojtekPaint: (active)
Rakkwal (active)
Jackthegreendog (active)
Awoo (semi)
Strutting (semi)
Certainty (active)
I'm probably missing a few
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No.19477
>>19472chris basically told me that they spent so much autismo and time making the codes and constitution for the HKE that he doesn't that the krauts would ever agree to anything that didn't mostly preserve the system, so essentially a name change and adding Chanadian member states and electors.
No.19479
>>19472>>19477Which is why an alliance would be better at making everyone happy.
HKE gets to keep their nice political system and chanadians don't have to bow to an emperor.
No.19480
>>19479which is why this will be discussed at the meeting tomorrow
No.19481
>>19480apparently SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY was changed to SATURDAY SATURDAY SATURDAY at some point so uh tonight
No.19482
>>19476green I've seen around recently
black I haven't seen log on in at least a week or two
grey left
The actually active people I see on all the time are:
Myself, Wojtek, Cloud, Fenix, Awoo, Rakkwal, Fofa
Munter too, but he's busy with Viridian stuff.
>>19477>>19479"Chanada as a whole has as many or more active players than the HKE", would be a far more accurate statement. Either way, a dissloution of the Chanadian Federation and joining of its member states into the HKE would not be on the menu. If anything, we should be looking at an alliance or union between the Federation and the Empire.
No.19487
>>19481But there's a wedding tonight.
No.19502
>>19474Yeah and how many of those people are Channers?
Two including myself
>>19479We wouldn't be bowing to a kc emperor if we had majority
No.19503
>>19479>Which is why an alliance would be better at making everyone happy.The foundation has already been laid for us to join.
It would be far less of a headache for us to become a member to the HKE than for us to create a union of unions.
I've been told by Chris and Screenname herself that we would not lose any sovereignty.
Chanada would still exist, we would just be part of the Empire.
I should also mention that Chanada was partially created to form this union.
No.19504
Grundeswald has Green and Chris are the only active people
Gensokyo has a few people but they're all redditors the only Chan people are myself and Screen. And I don't think redditors should even be counted as citizens.
Prussia has like 4-6 people who play but they're never really in game just in mumble
Koen, Kaelthas, Engineer, and Gotter are the only people I can think of off the top of my head. Dbb is an admin and sadly doesn't play anymore
No.19505
>>19503Shady, Chris, and Myself spearheaded Chanada and HKE to one day make a Pan-Chan union.
I'm okay with joining the hke but so long as all the states of Chanada get membership, and the name is changed.
Pan-Nationalism not Nationalism
No.19514
>>19503>>19505I agree with this. We have the numbers to vote a Chanadian into power as emporer, so it's not like we'll become puppet states.
So long as the name is changed and every city is given individual representation, I think moving forward with this is a good decision.
No.19516
>>19505attend the meeting tonight kovio
And yeah there'd be an all-encompassing name chosen and all the Chanadian states joining individually with their own voting rights
No.19517
>>19505>I'm okay with joining the hke but so long as all the states of Chanada get membership, and the name is changed. I don't see how that would be fun or useful for krautchanners.
No.19519
>>19505Meant to type:
>>19514>We have the numbers to vote a Chanadian into power as emporer, so it's not like we'll become puppet states. I don't see how that would be fun or useful for krautchanners.
btw can't you delete posts on this board?
No.19522
>>19519because it isn't some kind of us vs them thing, its all one big happy chan family
No.19524
>>19514Camokool for president
No.19526
I'm not at home so I can't delete posts
I'll try and be at the meeting what time is it, I think I'm doing something tonight so idk
No.19527
>>19522> its all one big happy chan familysounds gay as fuck LETS FUCKING DO IT
No.19532
>>19522>We have the numbers to vote a Chanadian into power as emporerThat doesn't sound like a big happy chan family.
Sounds more like a devious chan takeover.
We can still be a big happy chan family with our seperate systems, united under a Chan+HKE alliance/union, rather than a HKE style merger/takeover.
Should also make it easier to get new players to join since a lot of people don't want an emperor over them.
>>19526ah only admin can delete posts?
No.19538
>>19527draz, u were saying 'u guys fucked up big time' in the chan chat and it was funny considering the actual situation but i still felt a bad for getting u worried about chanada-kraut relations. sorry :(
No.19542
Guys this is simple. We form the Austrio-Hungarian empire. Two thrones, one ruler, united by common interests. The HK-Chanadian Empire. The HKCE.
No.19543
>>19542HKCE has a nice ring to it
No.19553
>>19538i get overly worried over everything its cool my friend
No.19556
>>19542That's exactly what the HKE already is. Prussia + Grundeswald united under one throne (emperor) but still able to pursue their own goals. Chanada joining would just be 3 states under 1 ruler, as opposed to 2. Your number of electorates is negotiable and would be based off of your activity.
No.19558
>>19556Yeah I see no real problem with this.
No.19562
>>19559Beamish it's like you just read what you want to, not what's actually written.
No.19563
>>19559pls go back to reddit
No.19585
>>19556Yeah, it's just a matter of the name really. Chanada isn't Krautchan-based, so "Holy Krautchan Empire" would become a bit of a misnomer. Just change it to HKCE; it'd function the same way. I imagine Chanadians wouldn't mind the Kraut-styled political roleplay aspects of the Empire, since the ones not interested in it would just ignore it.
No.19590
How about Holy Kraut-Chanadian Empire
No.19591
>>19590Holy Chan Empire sounds better honestly
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No.19607
>>19570heyyy buddy I've long since explained why I use Oldfriend. Looong time ago.
No.19636
>>19365>inb4 this dies out and becomes just talkPls. This needs to happen. We can't just keep discussing it and never doing anything. We need to sort out how it's going to be ran, then the name. Once we've got this sorted, which hopefully won't take long, we can post about it on reddit or whatever, making it official.
We need this to happen, and soon.
The two main things I'm seeing right now are an idea of an Austro-Hungarian style government, or a sort of senate with each nation having representatives. We should sort this out first, the name can come later, I don't care what it is too much.
No.19641
>>19636We decided at the meeting to announce a vague pan-chan union so we can have the same color on a map and then flesh out specifics later. Also we need to buddy up with the Prussians better since none of us know each other very well - the pan-chan olympics is the first idea for this so far.
No.19650
a few thoughts
chanadian ambassadors should be in grundeswald and prussia ASAP
chanadian diplomats should be working with their HKE counterparts to get a legal document drawn up
Chanada and the HKE should have a cooperative law-enforcement system under a single unified code of law
a trade city should be founded (maybe Proletarskaya) in between chanada and the HKE to facilitate commerce and cultural exchange
chanadian nether hub should be finished ASAP to more quickly integrate with the HKE
literature exchange needs to happen
eventually:
conference/meeting procedure should be put in place so that representative from all parts of the greater chan union can efficiently bring up topics of discussion/deliberation without being drowned out by more popular/larger cities.
think tank should be set up to consider fate/course of action for greater chan union. imo think tank should have no legal authority, simply good enough credibility that their released white papers will be considered seriously by the leadership within the greater chan union.
No.19673
>>19650I'm on it. Drafting something right now.
No.19675
>>19650Sent a message to screenname.
May the autism's be with us.
No.19682
Currently the only thing stopping the union is Prussia. So I have a plan:
1. Grundeswald annexes Chanada
2. Officially announce it on the subreddit wait for the shitfit
3. ???
4. PROFIT
There is no way anything could possibly go wrong with this deal.
No.19686
>>19682>Currently the only thing stopping the union is Prussia. So I have a plan:Why force a union if they don't want it?
Would Prussia like an alliance?
No.19687
>>19682>Grundeswald annexes ChanadaHey kovio
No.19689
>>19682>1. Grundeswald annexes ChanadaKOVIO>>>/out/ No.19691
>>19687>>19689I see your time in reddit has served you well.
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No.19694
>>19682Can we make that post anyway? It can be the successor of "kovio pearled; post claims" and "Chanada dissolved"
No.19695
>>19694Kovio Pearled was a good ruse people still think I did that bad shit lol
It's not gonna be a good ruse if you talk about it in public though you dingus
No.19697
>>19692Beamish, pls fill my BP :^)
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No.19710
No.19711
>>19695oh, I didn't realize there were people who never figured it out. I fell for it for awhile because that was literally my first day on the server
>>19698get someone to do it who people will take seriously as representing chanada
No.19714
As I see it now, both involved parties kind of fear loosing some independence through the merger, especially through how the decision making process is structured right now.
As we built the HKE system, I suggested that the decisions the Imperial Diet (consisting of the electors of the various realms with elector status) makes have to be based on a consensus of all electors, simply with the goal to secure that no decisions on the cost of other can be made. This could be extended to the election of the emperor too.
It would make things more secure, but probably also very bothersome and slow. Maybe simply requiring a majority that needs votes from both involved sides could work out too.
And yeah, the name would need to be changed. The only suggestion in the original planning that didn't involve Krautchan was simply "Kaiserreich".
Other problems are mostly cultural. Prussia has no problems with accepting redditors and both the HKE and Prussia organize themselves using private subreddits. I'm not sure what the stance towards this is one here. Also the Chan culture varies a lot over different boards and chans, so I'm not sure how that would work out.
No.19715
Here's my two cents on this:
A Union between Chanada and Krautchan has no visible negatives, there exists no conceivable downside, to either the existing Holy Krautchan Empire or the Chanadian Union, to unite to two entities. The only challenges facing Chanada on this union are a clear governmental structure and the image of the new nation. Thankfully, these two can be quite easily solved:
In this (admittedly clustered and rag-tag image) all the future electorates are shown;
- The Electorate of Versailles
- The Electorate of North Chanada, containing Viridian, Intis and Clacton
- The Electorate of Akihabara
- The Electorate of Polynesia
- The Electorate of Titan, which will represent all of F.A.G.T if it is to be admitted to the Union or just Titan if not.
to go along with all current electorates;
- The Elecorate of Xia
- The Electorate of Gensokoyo
- The Electorate of Grundeswald, assuming the Katten Khanate is part of Grundeswald(?) If not then the Kattan Khanate will also become an electorate
- The Electorate of Prussia
That's 9 Electorates, meaning that a deadlock will be rare if ever (assuming Abstaining from votes is allowed) and never if we still choose to function on 100% Consensus.
There were also a few talks about Bieliefield joining Chanada a while ago. If this takes place before or after Chanada itself joins the HKE then they should simply be handed an Electorate and join the Union as part of Chanada. As Chanadian interests will not always be the same as the rest of the HKE. That being said Bieliefield may consider joining the Union alone from Chanada given its distance from both Chanada and the existing HKE. At any right, it will be up to the people of Bieliefield to decide their fate.
Names are important, they hold in one phrase the essence and belief of your nation, the longer the name, the heavier the weight it can hold. But the weight of the name can be good or bad, Senatus Populus Que Romanus. SPQR, it speaks of triumph, strength, glory. Yet a name of similar length, Austro-Hungarian Dual Monarchy, speaks of inefficiency, disparity and corruption. When ideas are thrown around to style and name this future union the "Holy Chanada-Krautchan Empire/Kingdom/Union" is like suggesting throwing yourself into the jaws of a tiger. We need a strong name, one that represents Unity, Greatness, The might that will occur when two great nations join forces. It stands right there before us, a modification of the exisiting name.
Holy - Belief not a deity, such as Catpeter or Allah as certain groups may believe in as they wish, but in ourselves.
Chan - Our home, be they from seperate sites or seperate languages we are all Chan.
Empire - We are destined for the stars, brothers.
A simple and effective name.
Let us go brothers, and etch our names on the mantle of history.
No.19716
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>>19714>>19715We should have a march to celebrate the union after it has been created.
Vid related.
No.19718
>>19716If we do this I want to organise it because otherwise it will terrible (no offence babes but your autism is all either focused on memes or pvp, mine is focused on organising things.
No.19720
>>19718I know ;-;. We need to plan the march out, not have a bunch of autists running down the road screaming "UBEH ALLERS!"
(we could possibly even use macros)
>tfw not 1.8>tfw no banners>tfw I've made banners for all 4 Reichs and can easily do a Prussian one No.19721
No.19723
>>19714>As I see it now, both involved parties kind of fear loosing some independence through the merger, especially through how the decision making process is structured right now.I can understand that from your point of view, especially seeing a proposal like
>>19715 that would leave the present HKE states outnumbered by Chanadians. However the electorates end up being divided, a more secure system would probably be good.
>the Chan culture varies a lot over different boards and chansWe already have people from various boards in Chanada, as well as a mix of 4chan and 8chan, which seems to work out despite potential variations in board/chan cultures. Of course, it's possible that Krautchan differs more from us than we do from each other.
I dunno everyone's opinions here regarding using subs; I know many people browse and post on the main subreddit regularly, but I'm sure some others don't really read it and wouldn't want to deal with a private subreddit. Hopefully Chanadians wouldn't mind joining a union with member states that accept redditors, as long as the union as a whole is primarily Chan.
I've been trying to decide whether to study Russian or German next year, maybe I'll go with German so I can check out Krautchan.
No.19724
>>19723>Learning RussianYeah, no. It's complicated as fuck and will never be useful to you in your life. (Unless you move to that 3rd world shit hole for whatever reason).
Meanwhile, German follows standard Germanic rules, so it's easy to learn, as well as being useful.
No.19725
>>19723>maybe I'll go with Germanbut ull miss out on dank dvach memes !!
and yeah, beamish's suggestion does leave the current HKE electors a little outnumbered
I think what's actually important here is how the HKE feel about such a union, especially Prussia as as far as I know they're the most apprehensive about such an idea.
No.19726
>>19724Russian is the base of all Slavic languages. It's far more widely spoken and useful than German, but German is much easier for an English speaker to learn.
No.19729
>>19724>>19725>>19726I took a couple years of Russian in high school and got a decent grasp of the grammar, so I was considering picking it back up. German would be easier though, of course. I can see uses for both of them, and I'm pretty into both cultures.
I think the deciding factor will be whether I'd rather browse Krautchan or два.ч. Which has danker memes?
No.19730
>>19721ebin
>>19720I'll plan it out with you in Mumble in a second, I'm currently designing a Museum.
I design a lot of things.
Horse Track
Electorate Plan
Japanese House
Mansion
Big Autistic Purposeless Building
Museum of Chanatural History
>>19726It's true but anything else would be unfair, the HKE at the moment has a small population. This is something they must take into account if they're going to invite Chanada to the Empire.
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No.19732
>>19715The current electors of the HKE are:
Grundeswald
Gensokyo
Prussia
Prussian Fiefs
>>19723We mainly recruited (it's been quite some time since the last recruitment)) from /int/:
http://krautchan.net/int/which is mainly in English. Right now there is talk about doing another advertisement drive, also for the the other regions of the HKE. As for German or English: dunno lol. German would probably be easier.
No.19733
>>19730Beamish, pls. I've got maths papers to do :^(
I'll try and contact you tomorrow. ;-;
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No.19735
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>>19733>>19734Fine but I'll start some autistic shit by myself
No.19736
>>19730>Japanese HouseBeamish come visit Aki
We need an architect
>>19732That'd be cool if Prussia does a recruitment drive and gets some more channers.
Anyway, I can see why you guys would be hesitant about accepting Chanada as a whole. Do whatever you think's best; if we don't end up with a single empire we can hopefully do a union/alliance.
No.19737
>>19736Akihabaran architecture was designed to be modern Japanese, although a nice idea, this was destined to fail given the cost-effectiveness ratio of Skyscrapers in minecraft.
A Collection of Small Japanese Villages of no more than 10 people would look better, all with a road leading to a larger area with a town hall, market, temple and above ground rail station, a modern Japan cannot be both functional and aesthetic in Minecraft.
Also Akihabara is built between two landmasses, between a river, that should be exploited.
The plan would require essentially tearing up Aki as it is and moving it but if it doesn't now while there is less built it'll eventually fuck Aki over.
If you're desperate to stay with the modern style I could probably whip something up, but I'd need a layout of the current area.
No.19740
>>19737Akihabara went through three big idea phases. The first was to just have a walled in fort city like 4craft v1 beta. The second was to make it fully indoors, with the inside being the housing areas where people could put up their little walls with designs and stuff. I scrapped that though, because where the fuck would I get the cobble? The final one was that we build a geofront and have people of higher status of sorts build in it, where the others get to build above it, and expand into it if they could provide the resources (most of the citizens we have can). A very interesting proposal was by Cloud I believe, who stated that it would be a good idea to have newfriends settle in the city of New Calydon that we annexed, which reminds me of what you've stated. I think it's alright to leave the main city of Akihabara the way it is. For the most part, if you look at Akihabara in real life, the skyscrapers are kind of short and colourful, as well as very close together.
So this actually brings me back to the whole "walled in city" idea, that could possibly combine with your proposed idea of multiple villages. The city can possibly function as a marketplace of sorts, with the same kind of "Short-skyscrapers" like real life being the buildings that people are allowed to individually decorate. The goods however, would have to be things that we don't store for the public. Otherwise that would be shekeling people out of money, and that's never good. Though we might still allow it and intensely remind Akihabaran citizens that we have a communal storage, just so we can still sell to non-citizens and make a profit.
I do like the idea though. Maybe it could be implemented so that the city part isn't for living unless you're an official, or a citizen looking to open a shop. Duplicate shops, like having two ones specializing in dyes or something would not be allowed. Thus making it so it doesn't get over-crowded with people just wanting to put something in the city. Newfriends could be put in villages/towns within chatrange, connected by an above ground railstation like you said. Maybe even have a theme for each village and town even.
I wonder if a border town on the Aki part of the Aki-Pol border along the road would work. It would be kind of cool to see the pre-existing Polynesian town right next to an Akihabaran one, separated by nothing but a fence, as well as how it might work out. Though it sounds like things could get a bit out of hand honestly.
No.19745
>>19740>I wonder if a border town on the Aki part of the Aki-Pol border along the road would work. It would be kind of cool to see the pre-existing Polynesian town right next to an Akihabaran one, separated by nothing but a fence, as well as how it might work out. Though it sounds like things could get a bit out of hand honestly.So you mean take the fofa situation and blow it up into two feuding towns instead of just one paranoid guy? That'd be fun.
No.19746
>>19740Hold the fuck up
a Geofront?
You mean Aki has an actual floating city?
Like fucking Bespin?
Or do you mean something else
If you have a fucking city in the sky stick with that, if not then go along with this;
The Akihabaran City as it stands will be a place for government officials, train stations and markets.
No Duplicate Markets is a good idea but we need a clear solution for who gets to build there, while also creating a fair market that is good to the citizens.
My idea would be to have a voluntary taxation and for them to provide a pricelist, also no shop may sell more than 5 things to keep other stores open and not transfer the entire economy open to one rich corporation who could sell everything at a low price, pay high tax, but sell on such a large scale that they could still make profit.
Say 2 people want to sell Red Wool in the city, the person that offers the lowest price and the highest rent wins, if there's a draw then neither of them get the shop unless they offer a higher tax or lower price.
The Government would, in my opinion be in one central, tall building, the higher you go up the building, the more important the person, the higher up their home/office/rape den.
BASICALLYgive me your city goyim and I'll make it better for sure
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No.19748
>>19746Not in the sky like Bespin (though we're also working on a model of the Bebop just outside the walls, which'll be big enough to house quite a few people and other shit.) The Geofront's modeled on the Eva one in your pic; we have it dug out, and have a model of the lake and pyramid thing, but not much else there yet. Still gotta get the whole buildings-hanging-from-the-ceiling thing done. Anyway, it's 100x100 and hollow out from the surface to about y=16, but it isn't visible from the surface besides a ring of 1x1 skylights around the perimeter so we could do a smaller traditional Japanese village above it. We also designed a rather large school to be built directly atop the geofront, which could possibly serve the function of that central building you described.
No.19750
>>19724Russian can be useful if you do business in any of the old soviet countries or if you're a cop, because criminals.
Germans mostly speak english afaik, but more relevant to certain academia.
No.19752
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>>19748So you want a Geofront-Skyscraper-Japanese School-Japanese Village Hybrid
>mfwI'll get on and visit Aki to figure what the fuck is goin on
No.19756
>>19752I guess so? No skyscraper, though. The Bebop's a spaceship.
No.19787
UPDATE:
Obtained land in red circle, to Polynesia.
If we end up partnering up with HKE, this land will most likely act as a buffer/DMZ/Trade deals land.
Assuming we don't have a direct nether rail line to the HKE, we can also have an over world rail.
>>19715Also this. I suggested to screen name that we fall under electorates of the HKE. So there will be a representative from each state/chanada that will handle relations if we unify.
No.19799
The public opinion in Prussia right now is against a merger, so it probably won't happen. Sorry to disappoint.
Then again other members have something to say too, especially the Empress I guess. It's interesting since the speech she held at the coronation seemed positive about this idea. Anyway, the actual decision will be made during the next Imperial session afaik, which should be next month, depending when Screen opens it.
An idea:
Do you guys think it would be possible to adapt the current structure of the HKE in Chanada? Without merging I mean. It would be interesting to see how it turns out, concerning stability and the general acceptance of it.
No.19800
>>19799I'd be interested to hear some of their specific hesitations and concerns if possible.
No.19801
No.19802
That idea is genius why don't we just form Chanada up like the HKE for now, and worry about it later
No.19803
>>19799>Do you guys think it would be possible to adapt the current structure of the HKE in Chanada?I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I assume forming a seperate HKE-esque state in Chanada to see how it goes?
Actually I could get behind that.
Chanada turns into an Empire instead of a Union, but with the exact same rights as we do now, we'd have an Emperor with no power, with each electorate putting forward one candidate if they wish and each electorate then voting (not voting for their own candidate of course)
Then we could see how a HKE-Chanada union might work out.
If it does work out and we decide to end up unifying, however, a dual-monarchy system is not up for debate, it will make the system cluttered and only serve as a breeding ground for a gap between Chanada and the HKE. we'll either keep Kaiserin Screename or do another vote.
The Chanadian Empire would have the following electorates given to the following states, for them to choose how they are appointed as they wish.
Elecorate of North Chanada - Viridian, Intis and Clacton
Electorate of Versialles - Versailles
Electorate of Polynesia - Polynesia
Electorate of Akihabara - Akihabara
Elecorate of Titan - Titan
If there's any debate to be done about this we'll do it at the senate meeting, but I think this is a good idea.
No.19804
>>19802>>19803I feel like this would only serve to further complicate a potential union in the future.
Even ignoring the union, I don't really see the purpose of having a figurehead. We should focus on having our scheduled meetings on time, and possibly making them a bit more structured.
No.19807
>>19800>>19800I feel the greatest concerns are the seemingly immature citizens of Chanada (the constant stream of 'memes' at and during the coronation, and the assassination come to mind), and Chanada having a majority of representation in the Empire if they were to join.
Also, at least Prussia has a wildly different reputation than Chanada. The Prussians have been on the server for 3 years, and have the reputation of being orderly, dependable, good builders, patriotic and maybe a little arrogant. Chanada is known for memeing, a pointless war in Titan (wether you like it or not), for being very xenophobic. It clashes.
No.19808
>>19807> the reputation of being orderly, dependable, good builders, patriotic and maybe a little arrogantSooo... Germany. Actually their opinion is like Germany's opinion of Italy during the war. Can't fight or work for shit, most likely will cause more trouble than good, an ally of convenience more than anything else.
No.19809
>>19804>>19808>>19807BEAMISH FOR EMPEROR OF CHANADA
No.19810
>>19809>Lives in Chan-os>Tries to usurp power>Can't even unseat >TRADEDEALS>Wants to be Emperor of ChanadaLOL
No.19812
No.19813
>>19812>>19807Yes, this is what I'm talking about. Memeing
No.19814
>>19813This in itself is not a meme, but memes are a big part of Chanada, you would have to complete rehaul Chanadian Culture to remove memes
No.19816
>>19815
>knowing there should be a place and time for memes
No.19818
No.19821
>>19809>BEAMISH FOR EMPEROR OF CHANADAYou aint taking this old dog down without a fight. I'll tell you hwat beamish. You do the hoky pokey, but can you actually turn around? Because that's hwat it's, all, about.
No.19825
No.19827
>>19804>Even ignoring the union, I don't really see the purpose of having a figurehead. We should focus on having our scheduled meetings on time, and possibly making them a bit more structured.Me neither.
Well I see one, and it is that some people are thirsty for political autism and power.
No.19830
>>19825Goml and watch house of cards
No.20039
>>19827>thirsty for political autism and power.half of /pol/
No.20047
>>20039>Half of /pol/ is autistic for power No.20048
>>20047 - draziw, ruler of Titian and FAGT No.20669
heil hitler!
No.32539
No.32543
>>19365
Neustria declare itself For a Chan union, as a little and worthless state member of chanada.
No.32545
>>32543
retard this thread is several months old.
besides Neustria a piece of shit and you are a faggot
No.32546
>>32543
Lmao this is months old and never gonna happen. As for Cian's meaningless stance on this non issue, in the event of an HKE-Chanada merger/unification we would secede from the union
No.32550
>>32545
>>32546
Muh. Haven't seen. Not gonna lie, I don't come a lot on the chan, and this seemed new to me.
No.32551
>>32543
>Bumping months old dead thread with your support and the acknowledgement that your support is worthless
Give me strength.
No.32592
>>32551
I haven't bumped this thread, watch date, it's Ramen.
Btw.
*Give strenght*
No.32604
>>32592
I understand about 95% of those words separately but in that Alphabetti-Spaghetti mess you've arranged them I can't understand shit.
No.32657
>>32604
It's not me that has bumped this thread.
Watch the date of the post just before first of me.
No.36100
>>19365
Report of at least 10-15 fags with furfaggotry-linked names settling on iron mountains around best deposits creating mine-like trap tunnels and robust and elaborate defensive structures, presumably preparing to fuck up any efforts on taking it. Briefly seen their stockpile, it's a real fuckton of everything. They are a growing treat, you have been warned.
No.36101
>>36100
is necrobumping this thread a new meme
No.36104
>>36101
It can become one.