4ae3c6 No.24094
We are currently aiming to equip four men on horseback with prot VI, pots, sharp V swords, god bows, and diamond horse armor. Id like to know if there will be actual training sessions, or barracks provided for them. We are currently seeking sellers of potions to get a bulk deal with. We are also taking donations in the form of sharp V swords, diamonds for horse armor, potions, and bows. These donated items would only be used for the international military and or in self defense.
Also immer isn't invited to fight nights anymore. #muhsigngriefing
10efec No.24095
bce862 No.24097
>>2409
Weren't you ousted by your people?
d93630 No.24100
>prot VI
nice dude where you gonna get that
2a090e No.24103
You need like 30 Aspects of Meme to produce that
4ae3c6 No.24105
>>24095
We have some tactics that should work with them. Mostly harassment tactics and interception tactics.
>>24097
No.
>>24100
Aeon.
7ef4b9 No.24112
You know VI is 6 right?
You want IV, which is 4.
Also horseback pvp is fucking retarded especially with the server being shit and tps ashit.
ef300d No.24115
>>24105
Horses have no place in pvp on civcraft. Most fighting is done over vaults, not in large open fields. That and even horses with armour don't last long.
Plus the last thing you want is to make yourself a bigger target by being the tallest thing on the battlefield. The only thing I could think horses would be useful for would be griefing places and then legging it before backup arrived, but considering the terrain of most of civcraf even that's unlikely.
7b10af No.24116
>Prot VI
>Horse Combat
Jesus Christ
4ae3c6 No.24117
>>24112
We don't intend to use horses during bad TPS. Horse combat will work fine as a tool to harass and run down the enemy.
>>24115
>Horses have no place in pvp on civcraft. Most fighting is done over vaults, not in large open fields.
Most big fights yes. There have been plently of fights in open fields. The way we are planning on using horses would be best described as using light dragoons.
>>24116
The first man to bring me beamishs pearl will get paid in 5dcs of diamond blocks!
>That and even horses with armour don't last long.
It can take a few hits. Thats all it needs to do.
7b10af No.24119
>>24117
Horses move too fast for the attacker to get good, consistent hits and have no maneuverability but they're still easy targets to hit. Riding a horse into battle is essentially riding a big target from which you can't attack.
dea8ee No.24120
>>24105
>buying from reddit
4ae3c6 No.24122
>>24119
Which is why we have potions and don't plan on engaging in melee fights.
>>24120
Aeon isn't reddit.
dea8ee No.24123
>>24122
>Aeon isn't reddit
Tip
Top
Kek
7b10af No.24125
>>24122
>Aeon isn't reddit.
Tips Kekora
>Which is why we have potions and don't plan on engaging in melee fights.
So you're planning to have horses with Diamond Armour which you won't use in Combat and use just like any other horse, thereby making the Horse Armour a waste of money.
If you're spending money on Horse Armour yo use in Combat, you're wasting money.
If you're spending money on Horse Armour to not use in Combat, you're an idiot and wasting money.
ef300d No.24127
>>24122
>aeon isn't reddit
Oh dear, you are aware that neondan (from the U3P and one of the biggest SJWs on the server) has a shop there? reddit went further afield to buy shit just to avoid stuff like that.
But back to horse combat, I've fucked around with that shit with beamish before and it's nigh on impossible to hit someone when you're on a horse, and there's ample opportunity to get hit by someone on the ground. Horses go too fast and you can easily sidestep them and get in 1-2 hits before the horse is able to ride off.
7b10af No.24128
>>24127
We both took turns riding Epona, diving into a mineshaft and sidestepping while managing to spank the horse.
Then we went back to Benjamin Zephaniah's house for some Lemonade, Animaniacs and Negholing
e7fc50 No.24131
>>24122
>be Prind
>get impeached for incompetence under great pressure from /k/ and /pol/
>still somehow weasel your way into relevance by suggesting a shitty PvP tactic
>doesn't even know whether a city is reddit, chan, or neither
Please stop, you're digging a hole even deeper than it needs to go. Oh wait, you're an expert at digging unnecessary holes to fall in constantly. :^)
7b10af No.24132
>>24130
You know it baby
>>24131
If this is another ChrisChrispie my sides will turn to dust
4ae3c6 No.24135
>>24125
>So you're planning to have horses with Diamond Armour which you won't use in Combat and use just like any other horse, thereby making the Horse Armour a waste of money.
Never said that. I said we will be using them as a way to harass small groups of enemy players. We will be using bows and splash potions for that. Melee would only be for lone players and even than it would be hit and run.
>>24131
>get impeached for incompetence
Didn't get impeached and I worked things out with knealz and shanshii. It was a misunderstanding over spainland and wiskey and partly because our legal system was retarded. Regardless they jumped the gun and made a bunch of baseless assumptions. Also what pressure from /pol/? They supported me well enough through this.
>doesn't even know whether a city is reddit, chan, or neither
I know what the top reddit and all of the chan citys are. Thule and /pol/ told me that Aeon are neither. I trust them over a bunch of nobodys insulting me on 8chan.
>Please stop, you're digging a hole even deeper than it needs to go. Oh wait, you're an expert at digging unnecessary holes to fall in constantly. :^)
This is some sparklz level of autism here.
ef300d No.24136
>>24135
>nobodys
How many times must people be told this is 8chan not plebbit, no one gives a fuck about popularity.
b7a6d8 No.24137
Hit and run doesn't work in 90% of PvP situations.
You're being fucking retarded.
bce862 No.24138
>>24137
this
also I feel bad for you being cucked out of your leader ship position you were the only guy that kept /k/ from going to more shit than it already is
7b10af No.24142
>>24135
>We will be using bows and splash potions for that.
>Horse Archery
>Hit and Run
Jesus Christ
>a bunch of nobodys
>le reddit popularity contest
>mfw
7b10af No.24143
>>24131
>get impeached for incompetence under great pressure from /k/ and /pol/
I don't think that happened
>still somehow weasel your way into relevance by suggesting a shitty PvP tactic
I don't think that's happening either
d2b2f3 No.24147
You're a tactical genius! Don't listen to these scrubs :P
c63a91 No.24150
Listen up kiddos, I like you boys in /k/ but I assure you that if you chose this route, you will be destroyed brick from brick. Here's what you need to know about "warfare" on this server: it has nothing to do with speed, organization or strategy. There is exactly one tactic on civcraft: attack. Battles are not won because you have superior tactics or even numbers -- they are won because your enemies prot breaks. Being hit with a sword does little-to-no real damage, and if you have regen potions it will ultimately do absolutely no damage because you will almost instantly regen your health. When your health does get low (because you're getting gang-raped), you pearl away and throw down a splash potion of healing -- viola, you are back fresh into the fight.
Here's why horse combat doesn't work: horse armor is not enchanted. When your horse takes damage, takes raw damage. A sharp V or a power II Bow (remember, bows have been massively buffed!) will take out your horse in at most two hits. So you charge in, fire a few volleys of arrows, and then get your horses killed and now you're in a protracted melee. Or, if your opponents are stupid, they retreat into some structure and shoot you from height advantage. Again, you are dead in five minutes.
This is not something that is revolutionary, it's been tried before. And it has failed. You are up against no-lifers who play on HCF when they're not here on civcraft, they literally live for PVP. On their server, if you die you get temporarily BANNED, so as a result they learn how to survive most encounters.
Now, I know you guys are all gung-ho for war and fighting since it's part of your culture. Individual PVP skill is the only thing you can train in melee. HOWEVER, you can learn how to fight in concert with others using bows. A volley of arrows from a group of archers fired in succession (because the server has a damage cooldown period) would easily fend off these run-of-the-mill PVP fighters. You wanna have some fun with it? Set up defensive structures within K and then practice manning them so that when the time comes you guys can defend your homes from the reddit invaders who will invariably come to fuck up your day.
That is all. Please don't be idiots.
c2a83a No.24151
horses move at like 12m/s in civcraft, and slow down based on tickrate
players with speed II move at 7.9m/s and don't slow down based on tickrate
So as soon as the tickrate drops to 12~13, your horses are sitting ducks for people on foot
c63a91 No.24152
>>24151
>/k/ Cavalry moves in
>PVPers get excited and log on
>Tick rate drops as a result
>/k/ Cav gets rekt
Seriously, there are certain groups on this server that will intentionally tank the TPS to fuck you guys up.
7b10af No.24154
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>>24150
This, a million times this.
There are 3 strategies for destroying an enemy force with the size, strength and skill of the WP/HCF/Libertas.
1) Gangrape, see Playpen. Overwhelm the enemy with superior numbers and reasonably similar armour and skill. This is not possible in Chanada
2) Match them, quite simply become them, be a NEET PvP'er and spend all your time practicing E-Lego fights, even if you did this you still wouldn't have the numbers.
3) Agincourt. This is almost the exact same situation, outnumbered and outmatched being beat by simple Paper-beats-Stone mechanics, practice archery and defensive warfare, build strong towers, with good view and range and git gud at archery, keep a few men trained with PvP but to put your entire energy into something you cannot keep up with is a wasted endeavour.
7fd896 No.24166
>tfw Killer_Chris ran down my horse with a speed II and freed Screenname's pearl because the tps was shit
rip assassination plot, never 4get ;_;7
7fd896 No.24167
>>24166
and looks like i can't quote :^)
>>24151
7eb870 No.24184
>>24154
Pretty much this, except for agincourt because of bastion/citadel mechanics making it nigh on impossible to defend whilst being massively outnumbered.
This thread is the first time I've heard of prind and it's clear already he's fast becoming the next chris. People who have actual combat experience on a server with very specific forms of warfare are telling you your ideas are shit is one thing. But outright ignoring them and then mocking them for not being popular is the same arrogance that plagued chrischrispie, nes, ryan, prioma and others.
And seriously, don't fucking associate yourself with thule. These guys are some of the biggest self-righteous WP on the server.
And I'm not talking about the people who defended playpen because a HCF-ruled civcraft could well have meant the end of their time on the server, or those who had actually been wronged. I'm talking about the kind that genuinely believes that they deserve the position they've attained purely because they were the first people on the server and that anyone who questions the fact they've fucked countless people and never paid reps deserves to be pearled.
4ae3c6 No.24187
>>24150
We have already agreed to use horses end of discussion. This is the strategy that works best for us and the one we are aiming for. I understand all of the criticisms however they are irrelevant in the manner of which we plan to use the horses. Horses are to only be used sparingly as /k/ is focused on defense. We never intended to use them in 4vs4 melee fights or even in major battles. As I said previously our tactics are more akin to those of light dragoons. I have already discussed this with camo and rampantking they are perfectly fine with the horses and how we plan to use them. Most of the criticisms directed at us have been based on assumptions on how we intend to use the horses. So Id suggest just asking how we would use the horses in x situation instead of just assuming how we would use them.
e7fc50 No.24192
>>24135
>I know what the top reddit and all of the chan citys are. Thule and /pol/ told me that Aeon are neither. I trust them over a bunch of nobodys insulting me on 8chan.
Wow Prind, you really ARE the next ChrisChrispie. Trusting a reddit city over your own fellows in Chanada, over something as important as PvP advice? Are you literally a retard? What are the chances that they told you something just to fuck over Chanada as a whole the instant you are called on to help defend us? For fuck's sake, learn to power play and git gud.
>This is some sparklz level of autism here.
This is some shit right here, I tell you. You're the one focused solely on building an autistic trench that can't even protect against somebody sprint-jumping. You claim that you are focusing on defense, but there is literally no possibility that your defenses would even slow the enemy down. With the frequency you guys fall into them and die, they are a greater threat to YOU than they would to the World Police or whoever marched into town.
>>24187
>It's happening anyways, fuck you guys
You know, it's at times like this that I realize why Chanada will never be as relevant as we want it to be. As long as people who will literally refuse to admit their ignorance are in charge of anything, nevermind an entire constituent nation, Chanada will continue to flounder and quibble. Especially since a lot of people are too entrenched to take out and the other nosy power-players would raise hell if anything changed anyhow. I feel like we're all a bunch of monkeys standing at the bottom of a tree and pulling down anybody who tries to reach the top, even though they're doing it for the benefit of everybody.
c274d2 No.24193
>potions in bulk
i made a shop in your town
what do you need
my prices is 1i for 2 pots
c63a91 No.24195
>>24187
Then test your motherfucking horse tactics. Go into mumble, get a bunch of pvpers from the other channels, log on to civtest and do a fucking simulation. Watch yourself get destroyed. I'm not making assumptions about how you use your horses, I'm literally going off of what you said.
I like you /K/ guys but you're going to be destroyed if you keep up this attitude of not listening to those who have come before you.
c63a91 No.24196
>>24184
Never forget that Sanwi is a founding member of Thule, and arguably one of the most World Police bent players on the server. You want to know why the WP can build these massive vaults? Because Sanwi sells them the obsidian, that's why.
2d03bb No.24197
>>24187
> light dragoons
If there is one thing that I learned from napoleon total war, Dragoons are only good for
1) deployment of troops in a flanking position
2) to act as traditional cavalry.
None of this is possible to implicate in this server. Here's why:
1) To begin with the server tick rate is so crap that some one can walk faster than a horse on full sprint.
Further more it's too expensive to buy or produce the horses and their armor. Where as it's cheaper to simply equip your men with speed pots.
2) You can't use them as traditional cavalry.
> never intend to use it for huge battles
THEN WHATS THE POINT OF MAKING A BULK OF THE ARMY HORSES WHEN THEY WON'T BE USED IN BATTLES LET ALONE SKIRMISHES
2d03bb No.24198
>>24135
>miss under standing with spainland
> inb4 you almost got impeache'd for being too nice to us :^)
ff29b8 No.24204
>Prind gets proven wrong by 4 different people
>Fuck you, we're doing it anyway
WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE ALLOWED IN
bbdd00 No.24206
regardless of dumb bullshit. /k/ompound is weak as fuck. a bit back i left some shit gear and level 30 bows with Knealz. Check with him
c2a83a No.24230
>>24195
Literally the Jews, Sanwi
ca31d3 No.24231
>>24184
im a retard and new to citadel/bastion and shit but it seems to me that it makes it much easier to defend stuff than in vanilla minecraft since you can build structures that take a deterring amount of time to break. Is there a reason a system of reinforced pillboxes/bunkers manned with archers wouldn't work?
c2a83a No.24232
>>24231
They will break bastions from a position where your archers can't hit them.
Then they will just block off your pillboxes or sit on top of them and dig in, or just ignore them as really archers aren't more than a nuisance
ca31d3 No.24233
>>24232
hadn't thought of it that way. I guess combat is a lot less dynamic than i was imagining. I would think tall archer towers would still be useful, though.
bce862 No.24234
c63a91 No.24237
>>24233
Bastioned obsidian towers protected by rings would work great -- you have to punch through outer rings of bastioned IRO (iron reinforced obsidian) to get to the tower. Ideally, the tower defenders will be able to shoot those trying to break the walls. This is the basic way that the new Vault Defenses work.
Archers absolutely shred armor, so if enough volleys hit them they'll be forced to retreat just from armor damage.
ca31d3 No.24239
>>24237
Why don't we see more of these towers? expensive, or are there just not that many areas worth investing in defense with besides vaults?
326e95 No.24240
>>24135
Prind you're a good leader, but listen to Dave, Oldfriend, and even Immer. They are your closest allies and should be your closest friends. If WP or HCF wanted to fug /k/, channers would back you up. Be grateful everyone here is honest with you, I wish my redditor friends would tell me if my ideas were shitty or not because they don't want to be harsh.
>>24184
shekels4obby?
But sorry for being pricks
>>24196
>>24195
Solid advice. Oldfriend will help you where you need to get. And for the record, sanwi sells obby to WP because he hates papa, not because he likes WP.
>>24230
ye
c63a91 No.24243
>>24239
Basically these new tactics just came into being after the Titan War. First priority was to build the new ringvaults with these new defensive tactics. After, I'm sure you'll see defensive towers crop up in most if not all cities around.
>>24240
Sanwi's hateboner for Papa is strong, but he supported World Police for some time before that.
3c7c86 No.24244
>>24243
I think Sanwi's post here http://www.reddit.com/r/CivThule/comments/368guz/psa_stay_out_of_international_conflict/ covers his stance fairly well. He's fine with selling obby because business is business. I spoke to him a fair bit during the Titan conflict, and while he isn't fond of Papa (mostly due to America raiding that led to Sanwi quitting in the first place), I wouldn't call him a WP supporter either, in fact he seems to dislike quite a few of them and the way they operate.
326e95 No.24247
>>24244
yeah, he's not really fond of WP types because of his interaction with the LADS, who fucked with CW more than any other raider group. CW stayed neutral during recharge and other HCF invasions while under him and never got attacked because of it. the one time he got pearled by HCF, Dill went ahead and released him cuz he dindu nuffin.
bce862 No.24248
>>24237
Or you can use snow balls since they are fairly cheap and quick to fire :^)
e7fc50 No.24249
>>24244
Good, start working on people like this first. The World Police survives because people like Sanwi or Folters will sell them shit just because they're trying to be neutral or being greedy kikes making a buck. If everybody who actually disagreed with the WP and their tactics, the WP would suddenly look very weak indeed. They have a massive support network of Redditors and if we want to start taking them down, the key is to work from the edges inwards. If Thule and Sanwi are willing to criticize them, then for fucks sake learn to power play and capitalize on that. Don't just sit in Chanada like a kid with down syndrome in the sandbox and quietly thank Jesus that the big kids aren't coming over to bully you again, identify the real enemies and start working on befriending the other power players around them.
Right now, we have two courses available:
1. America, Electric Boogaloo. Take in anybody, regardless of quality, and just hope that sheer size and patriotism will be enough to make us relevant on the world stage. This seems to be the course we are adopting, unfortunately, because it is the primary Channer tactic in literally everything.
2. Learn to fucking power play and start cutting the World Police down to size. Our goal should be to eliminate the World Police's vast network of public support, starting with people like Sanwi who will sell them obsidian. If they won't help them out in a conflict, then it doesn't matter if they cannot stand us either, because they will be irrelevant. It's the people who are 'neutral' but still continue helping to build the WP up with materials that are a problem.
We should attempt to form an alliance with the HKE, firstly. Defensive alliance first, then slowly work our way up to a common foreign policy. A union is unnecessary, all we need is a common foreign policy, so that a power bloc is against the WP. Start working on forming closer ties with the U3P through Folters and Co., create a massive slice of the map that would become a "no-go-zone" for the WP. (Maybe make it a meme, put up signs saying 'Catpeterist Law in Civcraft' and shit, like the kebabs do in Europe).
e7fc50 No.24251
>>24240
>And for the record, sanwi sells obby to WP because he hates papa, not because he likes WP.
*enemy of my enemy intensifies*
Honestly, I'd rather kick Papa to the curb and not associate with him to get ourselves into Sanwi's good graces and try to clamp down on the obsidian dealing to the WP than keep Papa around as a shit-stirrer.
c63a91 No.24253
>>24248
Snowballs don't do a quarter the damage that bows do against defenders, and honestly bows aren't that expensive (get an infinity bow and a single arrow and you can hit these kids hard).
>>24249
There's no point - the World Police have their powerbase that is unassailable. The -,- and +,- are too strongly entrenched with their interests. Only a great war between Libertas and the World Police could change that, and only with an outright Libertas victory. Which is, at best, unlikely to happen. What is more likely to happen is that the World Police fights to a standstill, then Libertas brings in their HCF friends and the whole server flocks to World Police because "fuck HCF!" and it's all done.
The ONLY hope is to have Chanada get its act together and agree to back Libertas -- this will do more to legitimize Libertas' image than anything else. You'll never take away from the support of the World Police by dealing with the moderates. They will always go with the redditors because the reddit cities are largely their friends.
e7fc50 No.24255
>>24253
I agree that backing Libertas is the correct course in this instance. HOWEVER, all this would do is ensure that all of Reddit bands together against what they see as the dirty HCF and Chan scum invading "their" server. We absolutely need reddit as allies in some form (inb4 ChrisChrispie reference), because it will legitimize us as an opposition force to the WP. Instead of it being "invaders and chan scum" it will be "neutral third parties uniting against the WP". It's all about context and controlling the narrative. Since that is actually closer to the truth than the WP narrative, which is that we are invaders, we have the high ground in this case. The WP has left a bad taste in a lot of mouths recently (Mt. Augusta comes to mind), and if we can capitalize off of that, it will make redditors less likely so swallow whatever propaganda gets shot out from Carson and Orion.
In a similar vein, becoming more involved with reddit cities will make us immune to strawmanning, because they will be able to easily see that we aren't just caricatures. Blind as reddit can be, if the WP starts spamming that we are 'le ebil chan scum', it's better if they can easily look to their friends and allies and see that we aren't what they say we are.
In short, aligning ourselves with Libertas would only lock ourselves into a certain course and would close off our options when trying to take on other power players. If it looks like the WP is about to win a war with Libertas/HCF and if we don't step in, the server as a whole will be fucked, then by all means let them have it. But there is no sense in jumping the gun and throwing our lot in with a ship that might be about to sink.
faf1d5 No.24256
>>24154
4craft fights were basically all either 1 or 3. Civcraft fights are practically always 2.
bce862 No.24266
>>24253
Oh thanks for the advice