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We also need to discuss writing up some actual laws as Sintralin proposed.

>>25717

Fuck da gubment an dere laws, tryin 2 oppress the dark man

>>25718

DINDU NUFFIN

>>25719

HE A GUD BOI, HE WUD GETTIN HE GRADES UP, HE ON DA HONA ROLL

>>25720

8chan oppressors takin my namefagging away

>>25722

I'm not aware of any official laws

>>25722

I've also heard the rumor that we actually do have written bylaws, but I never had confirmation on that. I just seem to remember Josh mentioning them at one point, but I've never seen any documents.

As for FAGT, at this point I think that something needs to be done about it, because of this central problem: it's represented by Titan alone, in the form of Draz and Shady (both of whom have basically quit), but yet the active areas of FAGT are not Titan. Meowcoolcat, TokyoDrifter, and Resin4Life are far more representative of FAGT than Shady and Draz are and it's time we recognize that Titan shouldn't have the authority to dictate the future of other, more active cities.

Tokyo has expressed some interest in either joining Chanada or merging with /Pol/ynesia before, it's time we actually sat all of FAGT down and asked them what they want for its future. Here's are two tentative proposals:

1. Define the boundaries of Xiphias, Titan, and Neverwhere and dissolve the Federal Assembly altogether. The remaining land is transferred to the Chanadian Government for homesteading purposes, with either a territorial governor or the Chan Senate itself holding power over it. In order to not weaken our claims in the East, we should encourage Resin4Life's /b/ town, as a way to increase relations with the U3P and to protect our interests in the East.. Xiphias, Titan, and Neverwhere should be formally invited as individual states to Chanada and given full member status, considering they are highly active (if not highly populous).

2. Keep them united in FAGT, but shift representation around to be more reflective of the reality, which is that Neverwhere and Xiphias are 1000 times more active and important than Titan. Put the right to homestead under control of the Chan Senate itself, rather than Titan's leadership, and work directly as a group with anybody wanting to set up a town out there, specifically Resin4Life.

This would solve the two big problems I see, which are that Titan's leaders control more active territories and the right to homestead, and that the FAGT is still somewhat ambiguous as to whether it is part of Chanada.

>The status of FAGT. HanTzu maintains that the Federal Assembly is not a part of Chanada, only Titan. If this is actually true which just about everybody thinks it's not, then we have a problem in regards to trespassing, bounty-hunting, and homesteading affairs. This is not a crisis, just something we should resolve before it becomes a problem.

What? No I've only ever specifically said that when talking about pre-existing cities like Neverwhere and Xiphias. They are NOT subject to our laws. The rest of FAGT land is.

> Kovio's proposal for Chanada to break our isolationist stance and put our weight behind an anti-WP defensive alliance. There is a lot of support for this in the lower ranks of the newer generation of players, as well as some sentiments from Oldfriend to a similar effect, so this is something that we should discuss and actually think about before we write it off.

This is already basically done? There's already talks of a defensive pact with Nox, just working out the details.

>4. Come to a final decision on whether Rekvia is actually fired from Xiphias' caretaking position and actually make a statement about it on the sub to prevent future issues. (This also ties into the AltBot issue)

This is up to Tokyo and nobody else.

Just because we vote on shit occasionally doesn't mean we get to decide how other people run their cities.

>>25737

Do we even have laws? Is FAGT part of Chanada or not? If they are not, why do people think they are? Why do Neverwhere and Xiphias contribute and say that they are part of the FAGT and occasionally attend the Chanada meetings if they are not a part of Chanada? Why are they on the Chanada maps without complaint? I'm not talking about forcing anybody to do anything, I'm saying that we should resolve this issue before another SadisticMoose shows up in Xiphias and we can't do something because "FAGT isn't Chanada but it sorta is sometimes when we really say it should be".

>>25741

You're asking a load of pointless questions that aren't relevant to anything.

It's simple. We're not forcing autonomous nations (Neverwhere/Xiphias) to be apart of something if they don't want to be. We're not forcing our laws (bounty hunting for example, and anything else we come up with) on them (and we don't have any right to either given old treaties between Titan and them) unless they willingly decide to be subject to them (i.e Join Chanada).

If it were up to me, they would not be on our maps under the Chanada banner, it doesn't make sense for them to be. Just because they haven't complained about it doesn't make the maps accurate either. Bielefeld is neither Chanada nor FAGT and and Kovio is still claiming their land as ours.

So if you *really* want to be anal about it, then no FAGT is not apart of Chanada, however Titan and all of it's land claims (normally labeled as FAGT, excluding Xiphias/Neverwhere) are. Chanada does not make decision for FAGT, only Titan does.

>>25742

Okay. That's why I wanted to sit them down and discuss whether they actually wanted to be an official part of Chanada. I didn't mean anything incendiary by it. Just dealing with an issue before it becomes one.

>>25716

>11pm

what time zone m8

I think the way we handle these meetings is fundamentally flawed. Lots of topics get brought up but nothing gets voted on. There is a lot of talk but no follow up. I think it would be a lot more effective if individuals worked on proposals prior to the meeting, which could then be discussed/voted on. That way you don't waste everyone's time during the meeting itself trying to figure out all the details. Overall if we do it this way meetings will be shorter and more structured.

So with that said, any citizen of Chanada is welcome to work on a proposal. For example, if you want to recruit for a new town, map out the potential location. If you have ideas for Chanada's legal code, start a Google doc. You can post these here, unless they contain sensitive information or something. But the idea is to make your proposal fleshed out and detailed so that someone who doesn't know much about it can make an informed vote.

>>25762

I was told that Bielefeld was dead and that the leader gave up the land back to Chanada. Was this an incorrect statement given to me?

I only claimed it because I was told that by some Chanadians, I will rectify that now.

>>25777

>>25783

I think that giving /V/iridian's portion of the mountain biome to /Pol/ynesia's Himmler Highlands and leaving /V/iridian with the plains would make more sense. That being said, I really don't want to see /V/iridian completely disappear. I think the rectangle is too limiting, what would make more sense is giving them the remainder of the plains biome east to the river border of /Pol/ynesia and the mountains.

>>25777

>If everyone in Intis comes back one day

God forbid.

>>25777

>I can garuntee I'm proably the only person that's ever actually been up to that area

That's where Proletarskaya is right? I visited there awhile ago while exploring the +,+

>>25787

Could you include New Calydon/Akihabara Engineering District in our claims? It's still developed are and we have infrastructure down there we use. I can edit the map in a sec to show what land it'd include.

>>25787

I think the idea of a free city has some merit, but only for the Vatichan City. The other lands shouldn't be taken away like that, because they should have access to it, but not be encouraged to sprawl and develop it up for no reason. If you take away all non-developed land like that, it creates an incentive to sprawl for no reason. We want to discourage that as much as we possibly can.

What would make more sense is when or if a town dies (Clacton or /Int/is, say), the land they claim should be predefined and given special status, not given back to the amorphous land pool. That way, if somebody wants to restart the town, they have preexisting claims available to use, as opposed to being forced to develop senselessly in order to get land.

However, I do think that there should be a mechanism in place for what to do if a town declines and dies, or restarting or starting towns, as opposed to just deciding it as it happens. I think that the future of a town that is clearly dying or nearly dead should be determined by the ability to advertise. If Spainland dies, there is a 0% chance that it will come back, because they are incapable of drawing in people to their nation, so there is absolutely no sense in even maintaining the possibility. Now if /k/, /v/, or /pol/ went down, it wouldn't make sense to dissolve their claims because they theoretically could shill and come back strong relatively easily.

That being said, I really do like the idea of federal land for homesteading, because having the leadership of Titan be able to give out land for new towns without consulting the other nations first (this is how /k/ got where it is) honestly gets us nowhere.

>>25795

I don't think it encourages sprawl, so I don't see why that's a bad part.

If someone wants to build a city on current Eastern Viridian, nobody will stop them. But they might be discouraged by looking at the map and seeing its all claimed by Viridian.

>>25812

>I don't think it encourages sprawl, so I don't see why that's a bad part.

Well just because you don't think it doesn't mean it isn't true. I can't help but feel like a bunch of wolves ready to divvy up the map into chunks from the weaker nations. If /A/kihabara goes inactive, they shouldn't have to worry about their land being cut up. Especially because if anybody wanted to bring it back and people have settled cities in their old claims, they couldn't revive their town, because all the land would be taken up by new people. We need to make a fundamental distinction between cities or nations that die and could come back and cities and nations that die and cannot possibly return due to inability to shill.

Simply put, nations aren't people. They can 'die' and come right back just as easily. I've seen servers come and go, factions come and go, for years. Death is not a permanent thing, frankly I hate saying the words "dead town", because that puts it into people's heads that it cannot come back.

>>25818

We the memers of Chanada, in order to establish a more perfect union...

In all seriousness, I think Chanada's greatest strength to be its flexibility. The last thing we need is to make anybody with an idea go through fifteen levels of bureaucracy. If we construct a constitution, our main goal should be preventing an overbearing central government, in reflection of the fact that we are a constitution. If we even do create a central government beyond what we already have (which seems to be the direction we are moving), it should be highly limited and only responsible for territories it directly administers, and coordinating infrastructure projects and defense between the Chanadian states.

>>25722

I think he means to make the stance against the WP official. So far only citizens have been shouting and not the government.

I'm a filthy nigger who has the pirated game. This is premium only right?

Anyone interested in drafting some legal codes?