/civ/ - CivCraft

>>26898

There's people here trying to keep their heads clear from thoughts of lust m8 ;_;

>>26902

whats wrong? 2lewd4u?

>>26903

Good going immelol

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S-STAP

>>26906

yea ;3

this is now a catgirl thread

>>26913

me neither

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>>26889

>mfw immer and bg cuck imme

This is now a Dog Thread

>>26915

FUCK THAT SHIT THIS IS NOW A DOG THREAD

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>tfw no strong dog companion

ARF ARF

woof

This is now a V de la Sauce thread

>>26964

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>>26973

gitgud

Seems like a lot of you have some misconceptions about what the HKE is and isn't, and whether or not it's the bogeyman hiding in your closet. In no particular order.

>The HKE is a state.

Nope. The HKE holds no territory with the exception of the Capital. It's laws only concern relations and commitments between members of the empire, and under no circumstances can any laws it passes violate its member states sovereignty. There can be stateless citizens of the HKE, but none currently are exist. All current citizens of the HKE are citizens of Prussia, Grundeswald, Gensokyo (including Akihabra), or 'Western Chanada' which is currently only a trial member. Similar to Chanada, citizens loyalties are to there Nations first, and the HKE second.

>The HKE has some insidious plan to take over Chanada and shit on our sovereignty.

Maybe, but probably not. You're working under the assumption that the HKE has it's shit together. It doesn't. Unity barely exists between electorates, partially in thanks to Gensokyo's constant expansion, among other things. What's most frustrating I think is that each electorate has a different idea of what the HKE should and should not be, and none of those ideas work together.

Also, the HKE is unorganized, so if there is some sort of scheme to bring Chanada into the fold, it's some half-cooked crock imagined by Gensokyo or Grundeswald that will undoubtedly fail. The bureaucracy and ineffectiveness of the HKE isn't something you should be afraid of. And no, you're not going to be annexed against your will. The only information the electors received about 'Western Chanada' has been from immelol. If you're seriously concerned, send a modmail to the CivcraftHKE subreddit saying that immelol doesn't actually speak for Viridian, Versaille, etc.. Besides, 'Western Chanada's' trial period is over Monday, and with any luck immelol's request will be rejected.

>Chanada should/shouldn't join the HKE to make a Pan-Chan Union!

Shouldn't. I've been a part of the Empire since day 0, and it's current status is an embarrassment. What was intended to be an RP alliance between Grundeswald and Prussia has turned into a platform for launching Civcraft's next 'superpower'. I would like to see Chanada and the HKE become closer, you guys are alright by me, but the HKE needs to sort its shit out first.

>>27879

>Nope. The HKE holds no territory with the exception of the Capital.

But that doesn't mean it's not a state. The US government also doesn't hold land except the capital as solely it's own, but it's still a state entity.

>Similar to Chanada, citizens loyalties are to there Nations first, and the HKE second.

The same applied to the US, before the states attempted to leave and found that they couldn't. Just because there is a public perception of reality doesn't mean that that is the actual political and legal reality. The HKE constitution clearly allows for consolidation of power into the government in a way that Chanadian rules fundamentally do not.

>Maybe, but probably not.

Well that's comforting...

>What's most frustrating I think is that each electorate has a different idea of what the HKE should and should not be, and none of those ideas work together.

Then there is even less reason for us to join, because why would we join an even weaker union, without a coherent vision and direction? We have enough of that type of problem in Chanada, we don't need to join a union where we would have no ability to actually enact changes and steer any vision for the place.

>The bureaucracy and ineffectiveness of the HKE isn't something you should be afraid of

That is precisely what we SHOULD be afraid of and be made aware of.

>The only information the electors received about 'Western Chanada' has been from immelol.

Literally judas.

>Besides, 'Western Chanada's' trial period is over Monday, and with any luck immelol's request will be rejected.

It has already been rejected: by the people of Western Chanada itself, except possibly /V/iridian, but that wasn't the proposal itself and that place is being dissolved anyhow. This isn't a matter of luck as much as certainty.

>I would like to see Chanada and the HKE become closer, you guys are alright by me, but the HKE needs to sort its shit out first.

I agree, we do need to become closer. But if doing so requires to have the HKE sort its shit out, why not put this on the table: have HKE members consider joining Chanada. Grundeswald especially. If the HKE is truly as dysfunctional as you say it is, then shouldn't you be joining us, not the other way around?

This whole thing is fucked.

Gensokyo, or member states in general, being able to run wild annexing things everywhere and possibly ruining relations (Kaiserin, Western Chanada) was a blatant oversight when the HKE was set up. Then again it is hard to control without interfering too much in the sovereignty of in involved nations. A solution has to be found.

The communication is fucked too. Hardly anyone in HKE knows who actually has the right to represent the different members. Is this even documented somewhere, or just common knowledge within Chanada?

>>28087

>implying the drama will ever be over