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Also, people are claiming that /A/kihabara is undissolvable, due to it being part of Gensokyo, despite it originally being Chanadian land. This sets an interesting precedent: Federal/FAGT land is essentially unclaimed land that if you create a country in and join another country, it is ceded to that nation entirely. I don't see this as a good precedent for a number of reasons.

1. Now that /A/kihabara is basically abandoned, any dealings we have in that land have to now go through Gensokyo in the HKE, despite it being entirely surrounded by our territory.

2. This could be abused by other countries to slowly carve up Chanada through use of a little treason and we could do absolutely nothing about it. If a WP alt pretended to be a channer, started a country, joined Requiem, then let the country die, we could do or say absolutely nothing about it, under current precedent.

>>26712

Chanada is being carved up into little chunks of HKE. Since Gensokyo inherited /A/kihabara, we lost a chunk right in the middle of our territory that now cannot be dissolved or reused in any way by Chanada, because the HKE owns it. If the HKE still owns /V/iridian or /V/ersailles, then the entire western swath of our territory is now abandoned lands that the HKE inherited. If Tazmily is seen as a successor elector, then /Pol/, /k/, spainland, Wulfkhain, FAGT, and the Federal Lands are now the only remaining non-HKE territories.

During the last meeting, we were informed that if all of Chanada joined the HKE at once, we would get only one vote for the entire confederation. This is a severe reduction of our power and an insult to our individual sovereignity. As such, /Pol/ynesia will not join. Wulfkhain, our protectorate, cannot join without us doing so as well. Spainland and /K/ have also refused. I am also led to believe that Xiphias, Neverwhere, and possibly Titan would also not join, though I haven't heard any official word from them. I hate to say it, but if Tazmily wants to be part of the HKE, fine. But why be part of Chanada at all in that case? What use is there for our confederation if we join the HKE? Joining them would essentially dissolve Chanada and incorporate our nations into a single state, eliminating our confederacy. In such a scenario, we in /pol/ and our allies to the south on this issue, must wonder what there is to be gained from joining that could not be gained from an alliance?

>>26715

>one vote for the entire confederation

We outnumber them combined at least two times over, this is completely unreasonable, why should we completely sacrifice our representation to join the HKE?

The Proposed system in which Chanada got about 5 electors was already more than generous to the HKE, now they want more concessions.

There is nothing to be gained from the HKE that is worth being cucked over, Chanada isn't going to be bossed around by a bunch of silk stockings full of shit.

Versailles has not been officially dissolved (yet) and we never joined the HKE. All I see in this thread is a whole lot of non-issues.

>>26716

These are my three biggest objections to the HKE.

1. The votes are not determined by population, they are determined by a mix of seniority, legislative fiat, backroom dealings, and the emperor of the HKE. The HKE has a system very similar to the actual Holy Roman Empire, which is all well and good, but like it or not, it is not an ideal system and since there is no automatic vote determination mechanism, it is not just prone to unfair representation, unfair representation and special favors are literally built into the system.

A state that dies still have votes, until the other members vote to dissolve it. This would solve our /V/-town problem, but it won't do jack shit about the fact that Chanada is now incapable of dealing with /A/kihabara using our own governmental mechanisms. Yes, we can, but we now have to go through Gensokyo and the HKE first, rather than us alone. This leads into my second point.

2. The HKE is a single state. Chanada is a confederation. No matter what anybody shilling for joining them says, their own constitution states that in times of crisis, the Emperor has all authority and can override the individual states. Meaning that if the Emperor deemed it necessary, he could do things like: seize your entire national treasury, conscript your entire populace, or dissolve your sovereign mechanisms. And so far, all anybody has said about this is "oh, but the emperor is just a meme, he wouldn't really do that". I refuse to have the sovereignty of my nation determined by the whim of somebody who is a meme and essentially a puppet of the existing electors. As it stands, if we got one vote, Prussia and Gensokyo alone could vote to elect a new Emperor, who would then follow their directive. That is not a 'fair' system in any sense of the word, unless you enjoy being cucked by Krautchanners.

3. The entire Empire is taken to be a meme and its governmental mechanisms are entirely arbitrary. The culture and system is designed to allow the people within the HKE to make the HKE capable of doing whatever they think it should be able to do, at any moment in time, since there are so few electors and all electors are determined by existing electors. Instead of a system open to change, it is a system where the same cabal slowly filters new members into the cabal and ensures that little change can happen because the same mentalities and ideals will NEVER DIE.

Joining the HKE is a loss for us, in every respect, and so far, nobody I've talked to, HKE or otherwise, has been able to refute these points, beyond changing the subject.

>>26716

If we want to get serious about joining the HKE and Chanada together, fine. Make a defensive alliance on paper, get the details of that worked out and do it transparently and publicly, so that all of Chanada is able to have input. A large part of the opposition to joining the HKE comes from the fact that at least two or three Chanadian countries weren't involved in any talks whatsoever, to my knowledge. If we join, we do it together, not in a series of backroom deals without public input.

Secondly, if we want to make a new country, make it a new country. Joining the HKE so that we can then create a Pan-Chan Empire makes no sense, because at that point we'd be one vote within the HKE, as opposed to 50% of a mutually beneficial union. I am completely open to supporting a Pan-Chan Union, with a new governmental mechanism, but joining the HKE will not accomplish this.

>>26720

As someone with dual-allegiances, it's tricky to come to a conclusion on this issue. In the interest in being 100% honest, I honestly think HKE and Chanada should seperate for now and HKE should kick out all of the Chanadian states that are part of it now, and Chanada should strengthen itself so it can ban it's members from entering into conflicting agreements with other nation states.

basically what I'm trying to say is

UNION OR BUST

>>26718

Except you did, at least the HRE voted you guys in along with Viridian. I don't know with who's consent that was but y'know

>>26725

I was never asked about it.

>>26723

The issue Chanada is facing is that there is a massive ideological gap between the new members of /Pol/, along with Wulfkhain, Spainland, and the /K/ountry, versus the older leadership from /V/ersailles, /V/iridian, /A/kihabara, and some members of /Pol/ynesia. The word on the street from the remaining states in Chanada is that they want way more towns, want to revive some of the dead stuff around the country, and want to expand the protective power of the confederation. They want more rules in place and a lot more transparency with pearlings, international conflicts, and decisions for all of Chanada.

Nobody, that I know of, really asked Spainland or /K/ whether they wanted to be part of the HKE, but here was immelol loudly proclaiming that all of Chanada should join the HKE and somehow find an elector to represent us all. The problem is that a large portion of Chanada (I would reckon about half or more) lives in countries and lands that are rarely if ever consulted or involved with these big international decisions. So when people say "chanada should join the HKE", well nobody asked /K/ what they wanted, nobody asked Spainland what they wanted. At best they were aware of it. I know I often come off as the champion of /k/ and company, but it's become clear to me that Chanada suffers from a critical lack of transparency when making decisions for the entire alliance, and that the opinions of the more junior members are not valued at the same weight as the other members. And before somebody jumps down my throat, ask yourself this: did anybody ask Syncrates if he wanted to be part of the HKE? Or Rick? We need more transparency in our international decisions.

>>26728

The big problem I have with joining the HKE is: Why?

Aside from that, I feel like Chanada operates giving incredible amounts of individuality and self-control to each member nation. Even just going from polynesia to spainland there's a considerable difference in how things are ran. Adding to that, I feel most of us feel more loyalty to our particular nation than to "chanada" as a whole. Like, if I were describing where I was from on the server I would say "polynesia" and not "chanada'.

Although I don't particularly agree with allowing Chanada nations to join the HKE, it's better than the alternative of joining as a whole.

>>26729

I agree. The real question is, should they be allowed to join one by one? I'm inclined to believe so, provided that no land Chanada currently holds can be inherited by a different nation than the Chan Government. If you want to join an HKE country or join the HKE itself, fine. But if you go inactive, the Chan government decides the land's future, not the HKE. I'd be perfectly fine with that compromise.

>>26732

I almost hope that they vote /pol/ in without our consent, just so we can send my friend Deathpath as our elector. :^)

I was seriously under the impression that you guys were 100% aware of this when I made this thread.

>>26739

Since when did I support any of this? I support a Union, nothing less.

>>26738

Immelol said something about joing hke last meeting and someone said that viridian/versilly were joining it. Which no one had a problem with.

But it seems a bit retarded and made up if joahjoah didn't even know about it.

>>26741

It's not like they matter, they have nothing in writing, and I don't believe their intention was to make them join unilaterally.

I'm sure we can all fix this up sooner rather than later

>>26715

>During the last meeting, we were informed that if all of Chanada joined the HKE at once, we would get only one vote for the entire confederation.

No you weren't.

>>26720

> The HKE is a single state

No it isn't.

>>26735

Are you just pretending to not remember the meeting we had last week and talked about this for like an hour? While Reiko and immelol were shilling hardcore for HKE?

According to Chris Dave and Immelol said okay to joining the HKE.

Which means that Viridian and Immelol Island are part of the HKE now, but who actually has authority in Versailles? If Josh wasn't present for the meeting where this was discussed then who was besides Reiko?

I'm starting to question the legitimacy of inactive nations (especially ones that control large amounts of land) being able to even make that kind of decision. 30% of our land joining the hke based on the whim of 5% of our members doesn't sit well with me. Although I'm not entirely familiar how active nations like Versailles and Viridian are, I'm assuming they're pretty inactive.

In my mind, joining the HKE is a succession from the chanada confederation. There needs to be a protocol for actual succession though, with a minimum amount of active members and possibly reparations for land lost.

>>26748

The Spanish Netherlands were part of the Holy Roman Empire without Spain ever having been a part of it.

>>26747

I have sole authority for Versailles. Of course this isn't going to matter for much longer, as it will be succeeded by Tazmily. Once that happens the developed land in Versailles will become territory of Tazmily and the rest will become federal land. Woj and cloud might do the same with akihabara but that decision is theirs.

Also what's with all the people in here assuming there was some decision made behind everyone's backs that the entirety of Chanada would join HKE? There was nothing beyond a suggestion by immelon to that effect. Obviously if made such a large-scale change it would have to be unanimously agreed upon by Chanada's members.

>>26752

>already planning on eastern Chanada joining HKE

Fucking disgusting. I will never be a part of the HKE.

>>26752

So basically immelol, who is not a representative of either city, and already a citizen of HKE makes a decision regarding the future of 2 cities over a week before the chan meeting, and then shills for the proposal he has already made.

Immelol and kovio do not have representative power, regardless of what you have been told by them.

>People who permitted this:

Josh (no) - Vote counts

Reiko (yes) -Vote doesn't count sorry mouse-friend, its true. You're a fighter and a figurehead but not a politician.

Dave (yes) -Vote Counts

Munter (not sure) -Vote counts

Kovio (yes) - Vote doesn't count.

Dave and Munter are the ONLY representatives of Viridian

JoshJosh is the ONLY voice of Versailles.

You have 50% of one city's vote and 0% of the others. Do you see why this looks like a blatant land/power-grab?

At the end of the day, it doesn't involve my nation, however it seems the kind of scum backroom politics you would expect from Israel IRL, not the Chanadian confederation that I know.

Again I was open to the idea of closer ties to the HKE, but this leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth over the whole ordeal.

I don't know why anyone thinks this is a good idea. Closer ties to HKE - good. Splintering Chanada to join HKE - bad.

>>26757

was gonna say I don't rep versailles, that's solely josh

also dave doesn't really count either way because you know

>>26756

I think just like you.

Chris, Imme, and Kovio need to back off right now regarding the HKE. I would love to have some sort of an alliance but all you guys are doing is making Chanadians feel iffy about even being involved with them.

Please don't shove this down our throats, let things cool down and actually discuss this with our leaders.

Reminder:

Syncrates reps Kompound

JoshJosh reps Versailles

Woj reps Akihabara

Munter reps Viridian

and Camo and Immer rep Poly

>>26756

Honestly this makes me say fuck them. I will never bow to another power or it's tranny 'queen'

>>26760

did you actually vote, or is chris taking your support in mumble out of context, as a vote?

>>26714

I still live in Aki, touch it and I'll fuck your wife

>>26764

Chris took my support out of context, he assumed I'm a rep of Versailles obviously.

I can understand his mistake though, even other Chanadians assume I am.

>>26758

Rick you're fucking cancer and can't think for yourself, I hope Sarah removes you.

>>26765

Porfavor, luchan por independenciá

no te quero perder daddo ;_; por favor vuelvate patras con nosotros

>>26766

Hola reiko :^)

>hurr durr rick doesnt like getting it in the ass by hke cucks, he must be cancerous

HKE.I.D.F shilling hardcore.

>>26766

yes its understandable, but for an empire so invested in autistic role-play you would think they would attempt this with some level of official process.

>>26765

Nobody is touching Aki, cabron. I will make sure of it.

>>26768

You say this only after everyone else does.

That's my problem, not that you're anti-HKE

>>26770

Dude i bearly got on this thread, and read all of this, do i have to lurk the civ 24/7 to satisfy you? So what if some one said my opinion before i did? I still forkulated on my own.

>>26769

pls no call daddo a goat ;_; es muy triggering

>>26769

I see where you're coming from. I feel the HKE is snobbish and assumed we'd love to join regardless which obviously isn't true.

I don't think they had any sort of malicious intent.

The way I see it, before any sort of union with the HKE we are going to have to get to know them a bit better. Sure, Grundeswald is friends with some older Viridian players, but the vast majority of Chanada has no contact with HKE. I think it's very desirable to have some sort of union with them, but it should not be forced. Making this happen will require a wider array of players from both sides reaching out to one another.

>>26771

Rick you jump on the bandwagon a lot, I'm not just talking about this.

>>26773

Agreed. Only members we really know are Imme, Kovio, Chris, and Greenkitten.

>>26771

thought it was slang for homie or 'playa'

>>26774

If immer and all the polaks were with the hke, my opinion would still stand,

>alot

Nigga name more than two times i have done this?

>>26778

Happens all the time in mumble

>You say something

>Someone (Usually higher up than you) gives different opinion

>90% of the time you agree and parrot back what they said

>>26779

>be able to change his mind

>wrong

>>26777

I am legally bound to explain something via shitposting when I get trips.

I'll tell you.

I don't know.

I'm not sure if they were being retarded, or malicious, given that there was an option to take half our land without an electorate.

As far as I know, I believe these are the general terms Chanada would enter the HKE on:

An Electorate for the following:

- Polynesia (including Spainland and Wulfkhaine)

- North Chanada (Viridian, Intis, Versailles and Clacton) (May be removed as all of these are dead, the Electorate was made when Versailles was still kind of active)

-Kountry

-Titan/FAGT (Don't remember how this was decided)

Honestly the more I think about this the more it pisses me off. Even if those who are claimed to have authorized it actually did, no one else seemed to know before now. Even then it seems only 3 people would decide if viridian and Versailles would join the HKE. 3 people giving away like 30%of our land

>>26775

:^)

>>26783

To clarify, even if part of Chanada joins the HKE, land isn't being given up. The state retains sovereignty and is considered to be part of both nations. That's how it was for Aki iirc

>>26780

>Happens only when someone higher than him applies a bit of pressure

>>26785

I do not recognize a nation having loyalties to two unions. That's just fucking stupid.

>>26787

And why is that?

>>26785

With Aki I always thought it was a meme, since nothing changed at all after joining.

>>26788

>nation is a part of union 1 and union 2

>they get into a conflict with eachother

>forced to nig out on one of them

>both unions get into separate conflicts

>nation won't be able to support either in their individual conflicts fully

>nation isn't loyal

>>26790

>Implying chan nations will go to war

>>26791

>being allies just because 'Muh chan'

>>26775

>>26779>>26779

>>26792

Could say that about Chanada as a whole.

>>26790

If the HKE and Chanada were to get in a conflict, obviously everyone that was originally with Chanada will fight for the Chanada side.

On top of that, I highly doubt any kind of conflict would happen.

>>26792

Well logi i would still prefer hke over a redditor any day, even if this event has left a really sour taste. I doubt this would be the cause of any war.

>inb4 zomg rick your too mainstream!!!! Be more hispter and disagree every opinion that was said before you said it, even if its a right one XD

>>26796

Awesome.

>>26797

On the condition that you post a sad looking Fieri

>>26792

We don't kill our own kind, unless your a filthy reddit spy

>>26712

>As many of you are probably NOT aware of, Versailles and Viridian, in their full states before their dissolved were admitted into the Holy Krautchan Empire under a vote with only one dissenting vote.

>This leaves Polynesia and The Federal Government as well as Tazmily as the only places that have yet to join the Holy Krautchan Empire

I brought that up with Chris and a few other people awhile back, I thought the idea was that Tazmily would be considered part of Leftern Chanada. If people are hesitant about that though it can stand for more discussion.

>>26714

I'm not entirely sure how the Aki situation will work out. While we were still more active it was just dually Chanadian/Gensokjin, though in practice it was pretty much just Chanadian since Gensokyo doesn't have any interest in coming down here to do anything. I think it'd make sense to dissolve the surrounding land claims into the federal land pool and leave the city itself alone as dual Chanadian/Gensokjin. The city itself should consist of the walled central land, New Calydon/Aki Engineering District just to the south, Pure Lilly Abbey just to the west, and the Bebop just to the north.

Anyway, as for the HKE and all that, I never saw joining as a threat to our sovereignty since the HKE doesn't really do shit anyways as a collective. Prussians do their Prussian shit, Grundies, do their Grundie shit, Gensokjins do their weeb shit. As Daddo mentioned, nothing at all changed in practice during Aki's time as an elector. I can understand people's hesitation about it though, and if /pol/ or /k/ don't wanna join they don't have to, which will keep the majority of Chanada non-HKE.

>>26794

>>26796

>>26802

I strongly doubt we'd ever be in conflict with the HKE, but it was simply an example of why you can't be loyal to two different entities. If you're loyal to two different entities, you can't be completely loyal to either one.

Not only that, it's pretty fucking disrespectful of Chanada all around. People and nations that want to join the HKE are disrespecting Chanada, and the HKE itself is disrespecting Chanada's sovereignty. Personally, fuck the HKE. I'd join Reddit before I would join them.

>>26805

You're disgusting

>>26806

You're a fucking traitor.

>>26808

>I'd join Reddit before I join them

Yeah, I'm the traitor. Eat shit logibear

>>26804

>Tazmily would be part of Leftern Chanada

So that means, west chanada, and far east chanada(whatever taz claims), become HKE

the bullshit increases.

>>26810

Wasn't it said they don't own the land?

>>26809

I'd eat a flaming bag of dog shit before I would join the HKE, that doesn't mean I'd ever actually do it.

>>26811

If HKE "claims" the electorate, that means Chanada no longer has power in those areas. It's literally giving land away regardless if you still call it Chanadian land.

>>26805

While i am pretty mad that the HKE pulled a bolshevik and made a bloc of their land next to mine with plans to annex me and my nieghbors, I would still prefer it to a ledditor doing the same. But i would like it better if a ledditor kept my soveriengty, its a big reason why I am a chanadian member.

>>26810

If Viridian and Versailles are being dissolved back into Federal land they won't be part of the HKE (besides possibly the developed lands of each city themselves, and that's up to the respective reps of each city). See what I said about Aki and Gensokyo.

>>26814

>With plans to annex me and my neighbors

Nice paranoia!

>>26817

>>26752

>>26818

No mention of forcefully annexing Chanadian nations.

Imme was just discussing nations POSSIBLY joining.

lol

>>26819

Where did Rick mention "forcefully"?

>>26820

Felt pretty implied

>>26821

Yeah not really.

>>26817

Nigga it says that in a screen cap, I have reason to be paranoid

Go home shill

>>26823

>Shill

Good buzzword.

>>26823

Im just worried that another oldfag will speak on begalf of us newfags and fags

>>26824

Who are you in game then?

Going to repeat what I've said above. We are not going to force things with HKE. It needs to happen more naturally, once we have a stronger relationship with their citizens.

The Pan-Chan Olympics are a great opportunity for this. All of you guys who enjoy autistic roleplaying, this is your chance! Extend the invitation to each HKE electorate early on so they can prepare, and then go all out with the planning. Don't let it become another unfinished project.

For the time being, I consider the "leftern chanada" electorate invalid, as I did not give my consent nor was I even asked. I don't think it makes sense to have individual parts of Chanada join the HKE. I don't see any benefit to this as opposed to a simple defense pact.

Moving on, I think it would be wise to discuss the possibility of a treaty or defense pact at the next meeting. Further down the line, when relations have improved, we can talk about closer ties.

>>26826

Reiko.

>>26825

Only people that should be speaking for Chanada are town leaders, shame about the miscommunication.

>>26820

If it wasn't meant to be forceful, then it was meant to be consensual, meaning it would depend on Chanada agreeing with it. Clearly that isn't the case, as seen by this thread, so I don't see what the big worry is.

>>26828

Reiko where have you been bb

>>26828

>reiko

>not a HKE shill

>>26831

>Logibear

>not a faggot

>>26832

pls I have a gf

>>26832

>Beamish calling others fags

nice meme

>>26819

>Down the road they can either join as a second electorate or be integrated into our electorate.

To me this reads that it will definitely happen at some point, and that we certainly will want to do so.

Not forceful per-se but there is a clear pressure to do so. As he said in mumble 'that was the plan all along'

imme-shill has already involved Viridian and Versailles extralegally in HKE's electorate body, and has always planed to bring /pol/ynesia and the rest of the chan nations in as well.

Pretty shitty but I suppose its expected behavior from a beta who is too pussy to talk to rollersk8r girl at the bus stop.

>>26833

You're still a faggot

>>26834

There's a difference between sucking dick and being a faggot.

>>26827

Fucking this. It's too bad this recent shit left a bad taste in everyones mouth.

>>26831

My loyalty lies with Chanada.

>>26830

Sometimes you just need to be secluded from everyone, I'll be back sometime.

>>26835

To be fair, a possible union was talked about and somewhat planned long ago. Imme was dumb not to talk to poly though and has come off as a total shill.

>>26837

>My loyalty lies with Chanada.

Then why are you defending those who wish to disrespect Chanada's sovereignty?

>>26838

I don't see this as disrespect, this is just a matter of miscommunication in my opinion.

>>26839

Does the HKE have any desire to have any Chanada nation join their union?

>>26837

alright then, hope you're doing ok <3

>>26840

Seems that way.

>>26842

Then that's disrespecting Chanada's sovereignty.

>teehee I have a desire to fuck your wife

>hope you don't mind cucky :^) prep the bull

>>26843

I just see it as them wanting all Chan states united under one nation.

I don't think that's the best idea but, I don't think they want it because they don't respect us.

>>26837

Fix your fucking laptop

>>26844

They want chanada under their own sovereignty. That's it. If there is own day a pan-chan union, it won't be by annexing small chunk of chanada.

>>26845

I just don't want to be involved in anything really for the time being. It's not just Civcraft.

>>26844

What's the point of that? Sure, we're both chans, that's nice. What else? What's the benefit of a union instead of simply alliances and treaties?

>>26848

>>26846

Guess I misunderstood

Why can't Grundeswald and Gensokyo join Chanada?

>>26850

Who is stronger is the real question?

>>26851

In what way?

>>26852

overall

>>26851

>inb4 HKE is moar stronk so chanadas opinions dont katter DX XD

>>26851

In what way?>>26854

>>26847

I get that, I haven't booted up my PC in like a week, just don't fell like video games are fun anymore.

But fix your laptop so I can atleast play one map of factions with you before I'm gone

>>26847

Everything alright Reiko? Hop on steam if you ever want to chat.

>>26854

Good contribution to the thread. Exactly what I'd expect from the "leader" of Spainland.

>>26853

Population goes to Chanada.

Military to HKE.

Wealth I dunno, at this point I think Chanada.

>>26856

You're really leaving that soon? ):

>>26857

Haven't felt like being on steam or anything. I'm fine, thanks for offering.

>>26859

>>26859

So every post that you dont agree with is a horrible post? Shure it was a shit post but 90% of the time when you pull shit like this you do it when im not on your side.

>>26860

I said your post was a good contribution to the thread though?

>>26861

>"leader"

I thought you were being sarcastic?

>>26859

I might pop on a couple times a week in the future, septembers coming fast

>>26712

>KC finally integrating their vassal

kek, they took long enough....

>>26868

>You made a decision that wasn't yours to make behind closed doors and tried to get people onboard after the wheels were already in motion. That's disingenuous and shady as fuck, man.

Sums this whole thread up right here. Why did you think this would even be a good idea immelol?

>>26868

HE DOES IT AGAIN

>>26862

>everyone agrees

I think several times you suggested merging west Chanada into a single entity, but if you mentioned the HKE either it was vague or I wasn't there. I believe my response to any of this was along the lines of "I'll consider it." I certainly wasn't contacted by anyone representing the HKE about this either. Anyways, isn't the HKE's thing roleplaying? Why was this process so sloppily handled?

>>26873

*case there, bud.

fuck

>>26763

For the record: /k/ votes that it does not wish to join HKE

>>26751

>If politik is conducted in such an insidious manner in HKE, I want no part in it. I could have been convinced otherwise but this is NOT the way to do it

DER FUHRER HAS SPOKEN!

>>26752

Oh wow, Immelol says that /k/, pol, wulfkhain, and spainland put together *might* justify a seperate electorate. Let me tell you something, I'm so sick of hearing that type of stuff. Wulfkhain alone has more daily or weekly active people than Aki and Viridian combined. We should be like, four electorates, not one.

>>26878

Wulfkhaine and Spainland put together have more active population than all of the HKE combined.

>>26879

Doubt that.

>>26880

I wouldn't be surprised if I was right.

>>26883

k

>>26879

If you include Gensokyo that's not true, if you don't include them, well...

>>26766

>Rick you jump on the bandwagon a lot, I'm not just talking about this.

Or maybe he just happened to agree with the majority of people.

>Agreed. Only members we really know are Imme, Kovio, Chris, and Greenkitten.

/Pol/ has quite a bit of contact with 8ofspades from Prussia, considering he wanders through Volkstadt every few days.

>>26783

That's absolutely no surprise. 90% of the international relations that involve Chanada are done by people who don't ask for public input, that way when somebody in the general public (or the leaders of entire countries, as the case may be) complains, they get a slick "gotcha" moment in and get to say "oh, but it already happened, gee, I guess you should have been there at our unpublicized discussion on this". Not many things actually annoy me, but the tendency for this type of backroom, Israel-tier stuff does.

>>26813

Daily reminder that Auf is right about this point.

>>26712

Stop trying to dissolve /pol/ like that.

>>26889

>bomb wulfkhain and cause a massive shitstorm that has left a large portion of Chanada highly suspicious of the other parts of Chanada, creating a now annoyingly large divide within the Confederacy

They griefed first.

>tells others to shut up and autistically rants over them in meetings, to the point where people have to tell you to stop

I hear you do that a lot more than Imme.

>You are a cuck, a sperg, and a kike, who is at this point lower in my book than ChrisChrispie. At least he actually helps out ingame, unlike you. Fuck you and fuck off.

1. You weren't even around for Chrispie

2. What the fuck does Chris help with?

>immelol island, the meme that wouldn't die and continually flaunted all the rules within Chanada, outliving the point it was trying to prove because a coalition of other people (including me) fixed the problem that you attempted to point out

What was wrong with Immelol island other than it being a meme? Never got a vote or anything, dunno why it had to go away after the issue was resolved.

>>26745

You're a faggot who can't handle not fucking up Chanada. Maybe some day we can hook up with the HKE, but right now there is no reason nor benefit of doing so.

Also you niggers keep consulting each other rather than the whole of Chanada when going on about these businesses.

I guess Chris Chrispie isn't one fucking person any more. - and the new one's name is Immelol.

>>26892

Another newfag talking about Chris even though he wasn't around for him.

>>26894

I know plenty of people who act like Chris Chrispie supposedly did.

Not sure why you're sticking out for him.

>>26895

I like Imme and mostly agree with him, he's just presenting his points poorly and there's a big lack of communication.

I don't think he's very much like Chris.

>>26899

Well he DID score 40 autism points

>>26894

neither were you tho tbh.

-t guy who removed the crispie menace.

>>26901

Strosser was somewhat.

Not trying to claim I was directly involved in the original Chrispie ordeal but, people shouldn't be making these comparisons when they haven't even interacted with Chris.

>>26905

us

>>26891

>I hear you do that a lot more than Imme.

In all my time here, I have NEVER told anybody to shut up like that.

>1. You weren't even around for Chrispie

I was on /pol/andcraft, firstly, and secondly I've been here to watch what he's done so far, and it's been pretty stupid shit.

>>26907

You've told people to shut up like that before and have gone on autistic rants.

I really don't get upset over it myself. Just don't be a hypocrite.

>>26910

>You've told people to shut up like that before and have gone on autistic rants.

I have never ranted over somebody for five minutes and told them to shut up when they disagreed with me after my rant.

>>26903

>DFC catgirls

This is my fettish

>>26916

(me on the left, kovii on the right)

purr~

no

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>>26971

Alright Beamish, I am curious, who made all these edits and where can I find more?

Fucking cucks all of you, this is embarassing

>The same applied to the US, before the states attempted to leave and found that they couldn't. Just because there is a public perception of reality doesn't mean that that is the actual political and legal reality. The HKE constitution clearly allows for consolidation of power into the government in a way that Chanadian rules fundamentally do not.

It might allow it for power to be consolidated, but who is going to abuse it? Who is this mystical boogey man that you are afraid of? Screennames? Greenkitten? Killer_Chris? Members of the Electorate? There isn't some mythical HKE army at the ready to keep the Electorates in check. Electorates stay and go by there own choosing, and no one in the HKE is autistic enough to think that they could force someone to stay against there will. For the most part Prussia, Gensokyo, and Grundeswald get along, we just don't work very well together, and a big part of that is being indifferent to civcraft itself.

>Well that's comforting...

I can't speak for anyone but myself in this situation. Opinions on the empire are going to vary depending on who you talk to, I'm just sharing mine. There might be some plot, but then there could also be a plan for Chanada to absorb the HKE. Who knows? Wild speculation does no one any good.

The point I'm trying to make is that the HKE isn't some malicious illuminati organization out to ruin Chanada. We just want to create something for ourselves that we can enjoy, and our intention isn't to piss off potential friends in the process.

>If the HKE is truly as dysfunctional as you say it is, then shouldn't you be joining us, not the other way around?

Why? What makes Chanada a better alternative to the HKE? There seems to be more drama as of late between the members of Chanada then there has ever been in the HKE. I personally don't think the HKE is working out very well, but there are others who are probably happy with the way things are going. All I wanted to do with these posts is show that the HKE isn't out to get Chanada, and wouldn't be able to if it wanted to.

>>27282 this pretty much gets things right.

>>27881

>But that doesn't mean it's not a state. The US government also doesn't hold land except the capital as solely it's own, but it's still a state entity.

Just want to correct this--today there was a discussion which determined that the member states of the HKE can go to war independently of one another and enter other alliances. This is not indicative of a state.

>>27889

Drama is all over now bud chanada has been at peace except for the ocassional cuckpeter chimpout

>>28149

Considering some tranny will be coming to set up shop next to us, no. I think it was some idiot who gave some aspie a town.

Dont forget to keep a close eye on cuck-spainland