/civ/ - CivCraft

>>29256

Does being the sole active resident of a non-chanadian town count as being a political figure?

>>29257

Not inherently, no.

>>29320

>We need to draw a line and define what land is "Inactive" versus "Abandoned".

Versailles is neither, it's a territory of Tazmily. Think of the reich tower, himmler, or Rockwell. Nobody lives there but they are still owned and protected by Polynesia.

> non-citizen griefs a chanadian city

> local authority bans griefer from chanada

> if pearled, griefer serves end time or pays reps based on severity of crime

Why do we need a code? Why would the guy who fucked titan up be calling for government RP? I smell a power play.

But if we do want a law code, ideally a common law system is the best way to go about this. Unfortunately, there's no way to really construct a seperate judicial branch that won't be economically networked with the rest of the government. Some power player will get appointed judge, and he'll just do what his friends want him to do.

A civil law system would be more practical, but will probably be too harsh on newfriends. If some dumbass comes on thinkin this is like mineap, he'll just stop playing if we punish him, when we could be trying to recruit him.

Tl; dr Kovian Era town RP gtfo

>>29320

>Good start. The only thing I would mention is that I don't think that an individual chan nation should be able to grant an exception to the political figures rule and I don't think it should be voided for allies. I believe that the smartest course of action for Chanada is to not allow political figures of other countries to join us, period, no exceptions. If you like us that much, either have us an official ally, or join us. Personally, I find dual citizenship to be a conflict of loyalties and tantamount to treason. You should support your country 100% and a dual citizen is not capable of that, especially if their country and ours is not allied. In short, no political foreign political figures in Chanada, no exceptions, and vice versa. It's how we will maintain our sovereignity.

This is the kind of thing that absolutely should be left up to each individual country. The point of Chanada was never to dictate how people are allowed to run their stuff.

>The only other thing I feel the need to bring up is that we should flesh out what the actual punishments are, firstly, and what actually qualifies as the crimes.

It's intentionally very vague in that regard, it gives us far more control over every situation. This is in regards to outsiders, not Chanadian citizens, they should not be here to begin with, we don't owe them any courtesies.

>We should also define what land is considered 'off limits' but unused and what land is fair game. It's one thing to loot and grief /V/ersailles, it's an entirely different ball game to do the same to The_Iron_Mudkip's house on the outskirts of the /V/iridian frontier. We need to draw a line and define what land is "Inactive" versus "Abandoned". We also need to deal with the potential legal issues that arise from a citizen of one nation privately owning and enforcing claims over a massive piece of land that is:

There is absolutely no "fair game", at least not for non-Chanadians, which this document is targeted towards. They should not be within Chanada, period. And if they are they better damn well be on their best behaviour.

>Simply put, we need to put limits on non-homesteaders owning and enforcing claims over land in the Federal Territory.

I'm not sure you're understanding the point of this document. This has nothing to do with landclaims or homesteaders. This is strictly to finally lay out what non-chanadians cannot do so they can't bitch about it when we pull a charge out of our ass.

>>29324

I explained why literally in the OP but you're too much of a lazy fuck to read apparently, and would rather comment based on irrelevant grudges over shit that you're too irrelevant or stupid to understand. It's not like Shady and Mons didn't know or didn't help us with Titan, it's not like Ryden didn't either, so get this whole "The guy who ruined titan" shit out of here. Titan was literally dead when I got to it, it had a population of 0 for over 2 months at the time. I'm the one who actually finally put it to use for its intended purpose. If anything I saved titan and gave it the recognition it deserved (of which both shady and ryden were happy to hear about), but keep being a whiny bitch about it.

>power play

Yeah look at all the insane power this gives me!!!

>>29457

>You know you can btfo someone without such aggression. I'm not saying you're wrong but like - damn bro, webm related.

Yeah but I don't care? I treat people the way they deserve to be treated. Not going to be nice to people who talk shit and pull shit out of their ass. He doesn't know me, he doesn't speak to me, but he runs his mouth. That deserves absolutely no respect from me.

>>29325

>The only other thing I feel the need to bring up is that we should flesh out what the actual punishments are, firstly, and what actually qualifies as the crimes.

>It's intentionally very vague in that regard, it gives us far more control over every situation. This is in regards to outsiders, not Chanadian citizens, they should not be here to begin with, we don't owe them any courtesies.

To elaborate on that a little. If we wrote out every potential punishment, then we would have never been able to do what we did with altbot and just said "fuck it we're permapearling you because X unless you Y".

Every crime will probably result in some combination of warning/end time/reps/exile/apology or whatever, setting minimums or maximums just limits our flexibility where we could otherwise adapt based on circumstances/severity/intent/etc.

Alright, good stuff here!

>>29464

>Resin was just about the only actual titan citizen caught in the crossfire of the war so it should be no surprise you don't see eye to eye. He's an oldfag (from before I joined) you two may not be personally acquainted but as a leader of the titan conflict you reputation precedes you

He wasn't playing at the time, at least not in Titan (there was a 3 week period where I was in Titan before anything happened, the only person who showed up at all was Jarl_Heisenberg). Anyway, it's of no matter now so w/e

> - Treason, fraud, espionage, snitching - the definition of treason needs to be spelled out more fully. Immelol attempting to make Viridian + versailles an electorate of the HKE could be considered treason especially considering his dubious dual citizenship. The other 3 are easy yes' - self explanatory

Sure, it wouldn't hurt to more clearly define some terms. In immelol's case though, nothing would happen (according to this document) because it only affects non-Chanadians. Obviously if it harmed us enough then we'd still deal with immelol ourselves, but internal strife is not what I'm trying to focus on with this.

> - Trespassing, violation of banishment or exile -Yes - We need a full list of exiled individuals.

Agreed.

> - Failure to identify, failure to comply with a lawful order - I feel like failure to Identify needs spelled out as well. I get what you mean but in order to cover our ass it needs to be rock solid

Yep yep.

> - Defamation, slander - It's defamation when 'reddit' claims we are poor, do nothing but meme, and walk around in gold armor. /pol/ynesia gets slandered constantly. This one will be a bit difficult to prove and prosecute, I'd say remove it

You're right, but I'm thinking in more of an altbot type situation where he keeps bringing lies/bullshit to the sub to cause problems. Is there something else we could call it or specific way we could word it?

> - Encouraging, goading, or supporting others to attack, defame, or slander us - agree with the first 3, defame and slander is again difficult

Same as above

> - Misleading us to attack, defame, or slander others, or support others in doing so - Needs flushed out with a clear definition. Something that gives us an advantage in providing concrete proof. Again I would remove the defamation, slander bit

Aye, any suggestions?

> - Mishandling a prison pearl or freeing a prisoner by any means - mishandling a pearl...what ever made you think of that?? :DDD -agreed

No idea!

>>29468

>These loopholes and exceptions could be used to allow infiltration and slow poisoning of Chanada from outside forces

If this is the case then we have a much larger internal problem. In this scenario the ideal situation is to convene and kick whatever nation is allowing such things out of Chanada and remove them.

Also the definition was there for more of a situation where a Chanadian decides to take up another residence outside of Chanada (there are a few who do this already, are we just going to tell them they can't now?) or for those who have joined Eden and the like. It wasn't intended to allow other political leaders inside Chanada, but that could be expanded out to make sure it doesn't happen.

>Us'. Who is this us? You and your pals? The Chanadian government? Vigilante Chanadian groups? Also, what is the point of making a law code if it only applies to foreigners? The MUCH bigger issue at hand is how we treat our internal issues. I smell a power play of you testing out a few ideas without offending parties within Chanada by making them feel threatened with internal rules.

>power play

Okay I'm done responding to bg for the rest of the day, I'm sorry that that means the rest of your posts will go unanswered...

>>29325

Wow this is exactly how i expected you to reply. If I wanted the weight of my opinion to be measured by some relevance indicator (eg karma), I'd move to MA with the rest of the redditors. Perhaps I should go back to falseflagging as oldfriend so that you all will kneel before me whenever I post.

The population of Titan wasn't 0, it was around 6. If you think that's low, it's because you've spent too much time in Chanada to understand just how bad it gets in the reddit lands.

I might not know the full story of the war, but I know what's important: your appointment brought the end to Titan. The fact that Ryden and Shady defended their homeland instead of admitting to the WP that you are a fuckhead does not mean they were accepting of your actions. You brought the Plebbit Wars into Titan, and it spared the rest of Chanada.

I knew Intis and Viridian were built to fail. I knew Polynesia was going to outlive their incompetent brothers in the west. Unfortunately, I didn't realize that you rubbing elbows with the higher ups in Titan would prove fruitful for you, and disastrous for the rest of us.

First 7k7k, then the HQ. Now Titan. You didn't build Titan, now I will be building it for a second time. The intended purpose of Titan was not be under siege for over a month, but to be a sanctuary from plebbit. You brought HCF and WP, the worst of plebbit, into Titan. You may have had the time to dig for diamonds and practice pvp, but you're still a shitter. Your relevance is based in being a trannies lapdog, and in causing a shitshow war that no one wanted.

>>29470

Holy fuck that's a nice image fam

>>29323

nobody living there =/= abandoned

>>29499

This nigga sounds like me when I first started playing

>>29500

>nobody living there =/= abandoned

That was exactly my point

>>29501

Love ya dad

>>29499

It was literally 0 in December. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

Sorry that I actually spoke to Ryden and Shady a lot more than you, both before and after the war began and knew their stance on the subject. You're just flat out wrong.

>>29537

u touch kids