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 No.32181

In the aftermath of last night, I feel the need to post this. If people think that I'm going to blow all of /k/ out, or that I'm speaking for all of /Pol/ynesia, please don't. What I say here, I say for myself and myself alone.

When I first joined the server, I saw a group of people with great promise. I came from a server where hating Civcraft was par for the course, and I came here under the assumption that I would either hate the place or be hated. Instead, I found a welcoming community of some of the best people I've ever encountered over the internet.

Seeing this community, I wanted to add something to it and instead of bringing in more people to /Pol/ynesia, what I realized that Chanada needed was balance. We needed a dynamic power structure and as I sat in Volkstadt and watched /V/iridian, /A/kihabara, FAGT, and other towns slowly wither away, I understood that we needed a self-sustaining way to bring people together, through expanding Chanada's network of countries. And so, only a month into my stint here, I advertised on /k/ and helped to set up the /K/ountry.

Where I once saw a potential source of friends, I now see nothing but strife, conflict, and a vast gulf between our nations. I have advocated time and time and time again to offer you guys assistance, to help you stay alive, to give you concessions on the bargaining table, and to help you expand your economy and production capacity. When others wanted you all pearled, I said no. I put on my prot and went to defend you and stabilize the situation, with Tigen, when nobody else would. When you needed help with griefers, Volkstadt sent its people.

But, in recent weeks, I find I can no longer justify defending the actions of /K/ountry and where I once saw a source of vibrant discussion, with Wulfkhaine, Spainland, Tygrus, and /K/ all happily talking together, I now see nothing but Syncrates, sitting behind his great wall, occasionally telling me to 'fuck off' and that 'you're all useless' when I calmly ask for proof of his increasingly delusional and dire predictions. And I am sick and tired of it. Out of respect for www66 and Spongy, as well as the rest of /K/, who have asked us in the past to put problems out in the open rather than spam channels, I am bringing this problem out where everybody can see it:

I'm calling you out, Syncrates. For the past few weeks, your citizens have been willing and able to PvP and to practice with us. While you sit behind your wall, you demand that we come to you, that we make the first move, that we hand you equality on a silver platter. Well guess what, that's not how life, or this server, works. If you want to be treated equally, start acting equal. You are the junior partner because you do not earn respect from anybody on the world stage, nevermind even within your own alliance group. Instead of coming to us and offering trade deals, you sit and wait for us to do so. And even worse, like last night, when immer offered an XP for Ingredient deal, you spit in his face and said that you were 'fine' with XP, despite not having the ability to make so much as a diamond work pick.

 No.32182

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Immer offered you the deal that any other nation on Civcraft will KILL to have, but instead you lied about being self-sufficient and spit in our face. And then and only then did the channel spam start. So when you tell your men that we instigate things, remember that it wasn't us who continually rejected our offers of friendship and cooperation.

And before you come out here, guns ablazing about how this is just another example of 'oldfag privilege' or some other crap, remember that it's not us who can't produce Prot: it's you. Your claim of being 'fine' is bullshit, because you aren't self-sufficient in that regard.

As if that weren't bad enough, allow me to continue bringing out a few problems that I have.

Your constant claims of "inside info" and "secret knowledge of Mir" are proven hoaxes, because when pressured, you say that it's 'common sense'. Common sense my ass. You sit behind your walls and do jack shit all day while your countrymen go and get pearled breaking out people at Mir, then have the GALL to say to us that 'if we'd only listened to you, we'd have been fine'. I'm sorry, but you offered no solutions. You sat by and passively accepted the decisions that were made, but then slapped us in the face and said that /K/ will 'never participate in any further actions'. Well guess what, your time to protest went out the window.

Let's also not forget the fact that you still resent /Pol/ynesia for the time that two private citizens tried to get you banned. Immer and I were furious, I wanted the perpetrators pearled and immer was down for punishing them, but you stayed our hand in the name of 'good relations'. But yet here we are, with me hearing that you 'can't trust us' because of something that you refused to allow us to resolve OUR way. Which was fine, until it became yet another brick in the wall you've built up.

What a load of crock. Over and over again, we have made it clear that we want /K/ to improve, but I think that immer said it best: "They are either going to get their shit together or they are not." And from what I see, the only person who can't seem to get it together and work with us, Sync, is you. And if that's not damning, I don't know what is.


 No.32183

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It's time that you started recognizing that every conflict has two sides. For my part, I've recognized my side. For all that people think I'm impulsive, smug, and often wrong, at least I have always tried to work on these behaviors and never have I shut the door to those who I feel wronged by. But this time, I refuse to speak for my nation and I refuse to be the sole compromisee. It's time that you recognize that a large part of the reason /K/ is in the position that it is in is because you have steadfastly refused to allow it to be anywhere else. And no matter how many times we open the door to cooperation and give you concessions and compromises, you constantly slam it in our face.

/K/ is five months and eight days old today. In that time, under your and Prind's leadership, the refrain coming from across the trench is, was, and as far as I can tell always will be that we have to come to you, not the other way around. Well, I'm doing coming to you and I'm doing listening to you too. You are all talk and no action and instead prefer to tell other people what they should and shouldn't do instead of doing it yourself.

In short:

1. You want a constitution and laws? Write it yourself, contribute yourself, don't tell me "we'll never approve it because a /pol/ynesian wrote it".

2. You want to be involved in Chanadian decisions? Well start proposing things and start coming to us.

3. You want to be an important part of Chanada? Then start acting as part of Chanada, not /K/ountry against the world. Because the olive branch is STILL there, despite five months of rejection.

tl;dr Put your money where your mouth is.


 No.32184

BGFO

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>mfw I donated just about 2 dcs of fake prot to /k/

Pls settle this maturly


 No.32185

> /K/ will 'never participate in any further actions'

>"we'll never approve it because a /pol/ynesian wrote it".

Are these things actually said by Syncrates? Heavy implications here that indicate a lack of ability to work with the rest of the confederation on a productive level.

I will also add a large chunk of /k/ members actively contribute to the issues you have brought up BG.


 No.32186

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 No.32188

>>32185

>"we'll never approve it because a /pol/ynesian wrote it".

Directly said to me by Syncrates after I tried to involve /K/ in the constitution I was writing. Since any vote would have to be unanimous to approve it, Syncrates essentially filibustered the effort and trashed it by refusing to ratify unless /K/ were heavily consulted and given just about every single concession and special protect (most of which consisted of me taking out passages meant to counter garbage that happened during the /K/-Spainland conflict, such as closing borders). It wasn't as much of a dick move at the time as I'm making it out to be, since it ultimately turned out to be a moot point. But had it been a bit bigger it would have been.

> /K/ will 'never participate in any further actions'

Not exactly. Dubs told me that the collective decision of the /K/ountry government, which doesn't mean Sync alone, was that due to the devastation the Mir War wrought upon their newfriend population, they decided that they were not able to contribute enough to justify the entire /K/ountry being involved. Individuals (such as dubs) said that they would participate in the war and the government wouldn't stop them.

This is not a huge dick move and when talking to Dubs I came to understand why they did it and this is the reason I tried (unsuccessfully) to call a Chanada Meeting the other month: They were NOT consulted about many of the actions taken during the war. While I don't think that we should bend over for the wishes of any one country, I do think that the Confederation has an obligation to listen to the words of all if its members, even if not everybody gets their way. The fact that Syncrates was not even included and immer only was at the last minute to at least one of the deals (a deal which was signed by three members of Tazmily and immer alone, plus maybe Ryden, might I add) was rammed through and taken to be the 'word of Chanada', when in reality a large portion, possibly even a slight majority, of the country was not even consulted or involved, nevermind signed off on it. I agreed with /K/ when they felt like that was a slap in the face, as was the fact that Tazmily didn't appreciate how much work they put into making three stacks of XP blocks which then disappeared and as far as I was informed, never accounted for after going into the war effort.

In short, as I said, both sides often have a point, but at this point I am trying to be a bridge. /K/ feels wronged about many things and rightly so. But until Sync stops hiding behind his trench and starts suggesting changes and actually doing things like 'building support' or 'creating coalitions for reform' or 'letting his discontent be known' nothing will come of it.


 No.32189

>>32188

> due to the devastation the Mir War wrought upon their newfriend population

?

>They were NOT consulted about many of the actions taken during the war.

Because they barely put an effort forth to be involved.

>While I don't think that we should bend over for the wishes of any one country, I do think that the Confederation has an obligation to listen to the words of all if its members

Even if they did speak up, which they mostly didn't, their opinions during the war were mostly garbage because they weren't directly involved like others.

>The fact that Syncrates was not even included and immer only was at the last minute to at least one of the deals (a deal which was signed by three members of Tazmily and immer alone, plus maybe Ryden, might I add) was rammed through and taken to be the 'word of Chanada', when in reality a large portion, possibly even a slight majority, of the country was not even consulted or involved, nevermind signed off on it. I agreed with /K/ when they felt like that was a slap in the face, as was the fact that Tazmily didn't appreciate how much work they put into making three stacks of XP blocks which then disappeared and as far as I was informed, never accounted for after going into the war effort.

Are you fucking kidding me? Me, Yearn, Ryden, and Josh were probably the most involved in Chanada. We came up with the deal and signed off on it because we were actually contributing and knew what was going on better than everyone else.

> Tazmily didn't appreciate how much work they put into making three stacks of XP blocks which then disappeared and as far as I was informed, never accounted for after going into the war effort. Tazmily didn't appreciate how much work they put into making three stacks of XP blocks which then disappeared and as far as I was informed, never accounted for after going into the war effort. Tazmily didn't appreciate how much work they put into making three stacks of XP blocks which then disappeared and as far as I was informed, never accounted for after going into the war effort.

WOW 3 STACKS OF EMERALD BLOCKS THANKS GUYS! Me and yearn poured pretty much all our personal wealth into this war, yet people call me and yearn "worthless" and "cancer" I appreciate what they did but they need to calm down with their massive fucking ego. I mad tbh.


 No.32190

>>32189

>Even if they did speak up, which they mostly didn't, their opinions during the war were mostly garbage because they weren't directly involved like others.

But once again, nobody ever asked them to be involved, that I remember, beyond saying "make some shit for us".

>Are you fucking kidding me? Me, Yearn, Ryden, and Josh were probably the most involved in Chanada.

True, but that doesn't mean that you have the right to speak for the entire alliance without consulting the other members of said alliance.

>Me and yearn poured pretty much all our personal wealth into this war, yet people call me and yearn "worthless" and "cancer" I appreciate what they did but they need to calm down with their massive fucking ego.

I will buy this. The fact that you were called worthless and cancer was wrong and misplaced.

Reiko, I'm in a tough spot here. On the one hand, I don't want this to be a case of 'blame Tazmily', because that's really just an easy out to a difficult issue. On the other hand, this post has already caused /k/ to cut contact with me, so I don't want to get into yet another fight with you.


 No.32191

>>32190

>But once again, nobody ever asked them to be involved, that I remember, beyond saying "make some shit for us".

I mean, I wasn't asked to be involved directly. I just geared up, grabbed shit and went on over with the main group.

I stepped up, why couldn't they?

>True, but that doesn't mean that you have the right to speak for the entire alliance without consulting the other members of said alliance.

Didn't feel like much of an alliance. It wasn't always easy to include them on everything, you have to understand the war was quite difficult.

>

Reiko, I'm in a tough spot here. On the one hand, I don't want this to be a case of 'blame Tazmily', because that's really just an easy out to a difficult issue. On the other hand, this post has already caused /k/ to cut contact with me, so I don't want to get into yet another fight with you.

I don't think it was right for you to try and get Syncrates replaced. That's something that they have to decide on.

I agree with you on most of the shit you've said regarding /k/.

Also I don't understand what Taz has done honestly. All of us did what we needed to do and, when others weren't doing their part we called them out because we're blunt. If that makes people sad so be it I don't really care, it needs to be said.


 No.32192

>>32191

>I stepped up, why couldn't they?

Agreed, that was my point: /K/ountry is able to step up more and they should.

>I don't think it was right for you to try and get Syncrates replaced.

I didn't try at all. I made my point known, but just because I expressed disapproval with how he is acting towards the rest of us doesn't mean I want him gone. He is great for running /k/ itself, just not representing it to the alliance.

>All of us did what we needed to do and, when others weren't doing their part we called them out because we're blunt. If that makes people sad so be it I don't really care, it needs to be said.

Agreed.


 No.32194

File: 1443228032128.jpg (62.26 KB, 600x690, 20:23, Chanada.jpg)

>>32189

>Me, Yearn, Ryden, and Josh were probably the most involved in Chanada.

forgetting someone?? = [ (sad elabetro)

agreed 3 stacks Eblox is nothing. I poop 3stacks of blocks, seriously - check my toilet.

>>32188

>was that due to the devastation the Mir War wrought upon their newfriend population

you mean none of the players that got pearled and then freed actually quit? They are blaming their population decline (which generally speaking you shouldn't give much of a shit about - quality over quantity every single fucking time) on the war when they should be blaming their community and their impotent trench.

>The fact that Syncrates was not even included and immer only was at the last minute to at least one of the deals (a deal which was signed by three members of Tazmily and immer alone, plus maybe Ryden, might I add

Sync was consulted but he chose not to sign. As far as me - /pol/ is not a democracy. I listen to the advice of my citizens and peers but ultimately, in /pol/.. I AM THE LAW.

> they decided that they were not able to contribute enough to justify the entire /K/ountry being involved

probably cause combat wise they are a liability, time/resource investment wise they are hit or miss at best. The only days they bothered showed up in Mir en masse they were either looting (for their exclusive benefit, complaining that I didn't share the fucking slimeballs with them acquired while afk breaking the NF vault on my other account) or freeing their own citizens.

About not being involved in certain decisions;

Honestly the power players of tazmily are better at the meta-game than (ebil nazi) pol could ever expect to be. I don't mind taking a back seat to certain major decisions, however when they need me - they know me + pol has their back 100%. I never complained about the resources I was asked to contribute, and in fact am always willing to contribute more. I wish I had been consulted on day 1 about the new sekret project, but you know what?? I'm not contributing a majority share in labor or resources, I can barely pull an even share defending it - who the fuck am I to bitch about things that are ultimately a better decision for all of us.

>Also I don't understand what Taz has done honestly. All of us did what we needed to do and, when others weren't doing their part we called them out because we're blunt. If that makes people sad so be it I don't really care, it needs to be said.

Yup yup. I take this stance as well. If you are to be taken seriously and be respected - make the right decisions - call a spade, a spade and stop blowing sugar up people's asses. If someone isn't pulling their weight call them out. Don't expect chanada to sing your accolades and do cartwheels when you contribute the bare minimum.


 No.32195

/pol/ is always right


 No.32197

what are the cons of forgiving eachother? IF you put the past behind yourselves, what actual, real issues would be left?


 No.32201

>>32197

>what actual, real issues would be left

resurrecting Wulfkhaine


 No.32203

>>32201

is this a new meme or do people actually care? ive heard this like 10 times since yesterday


 No.32208

File: 1443240864429.jpg (9.76 KB, 250x241, 250:241, 1442725904402s.jpg)

I suppose that people probably hate me after that tape. I guess it's only fair, after what I did to Folters using the same clever tactic. Just know that what I said, I said for the good of Chanada. But, immer is right. I'm not cut out for the metagame. Too long have I intervened and it was bound to come back to bite me. It was my mistake to assume that words said in private would be handed off. Those who feel butthurt will come to forgive me in time, if they actually understand why I did what I did.


 No.32209

>>32204

>Why the fuck is bg speaking on our behalf

That's the first thing he addressed:

>What I say here, I say for myself and myself alone.


 No.32213

Jesus fucking Christ, this degenerated quickly.

If we can't even stop arguing amongst ourselves, how the fuck are we going to stand up to the rest of the server, who by most if not all accounts, want us literally dead?


 No.32218

File: 1443288408219.jpg (604.4 KB, 2560x1600, 8:5, monkey-02.jpg)

HOHOHOOOHHOOOHOOOOHHHOHOHOOH


 No.32220

File: 1443292020334-0.jpg (25.98 KB, 425x282, 425:282, Angry dog.jpg)

File: 1443292020339-1.jpg (139.86 KB, 606x446, 303:223, Angry kitten.jpg)

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File: 1443292020340-4.jpg (311.68 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, Disgruntled cat.jpg)


 No.32221

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File: 1443292189478-1.jpg (22.47 KB, 350x306, 175:153, Lee me alone.jpg)

File: 1443292189480-2.jpg (32 KB, 500x333, 500:333, Please lee me alone.jpg)

File: 1443292189482-3.jpg (114.73 KB, 580x437, 580:437, The snake say to me I just….jpg)

File: 1443292189482-4.jpg (73.62 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Tumblr_Sound_Effect_Cat_Hi….jpg)


 No.32223

Any mousefriends in here


 No.32226

File: 1443344443883-0.jpg (53.09 KB, 620x348, 155:87, Das rite.jpg)

File: 1443344443909-1.jpg (132.3 KB, 1200x945, 80:63, Happy monkey.jpg)

File: 1443344443909-2.jpg (11.05 KB, 233x215, 233:215, hoho this is a cute monkey.jpg)

File: 1443344443932-3.jpg (65.02 KB, 579x800, 579:800, shiet.jpg)

File: 1443344443941-4.jpg (56.54 KB, 640x943, 640:943, u fookin wot m8.jpg)


 No.32227

bjbbw is a faggot

camo is kool


 No.32229

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>>32227

No need to be salty. 8{=]


 No.32230

>>32229

>Post salty wall of text

Asks others to not be salty


 No.32233

Fucking hell guys. Look, set aside your fuckhuge egos and let people help one another. Seriously. If someone wants to help you, let them! It makes the person helping feel good and even if you don't want or necessarily NEED the help, you still made the other person feel useful and appreciated. That's good for forming bonds and building good relations.

Not trying to sound all anti-syn but if what he said is true, he has every right to be angry. If BG is lying, then shame on you. Regardless, BG has been trying to help /k/ out since the beginning. He's been nothing but good to you guys and I say you let him continue. If he wants to help then by all means let him. He's just trying to be nice after all.

In the end, we're just a bunch or guys playing minecraft. Nothing more. Just be good to one another and chances are we'll all end up alright.


 No.32234

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>>32230

>Post salty wall of text

I'm not salty. Just disappointed.


 No.32235

File: 1443373538804.jpg (93.15 KB, 588x473, 588:473, 1443042461505.jpg)

>>32230

>Post salty wall of text

I'm not salty. Just disappointed.

>>32233

>If BG is lying, then shame on you.

I have people who can corroborate most of what I say. Trust me, I didn't lie or misrepresent a single thing that Sync said. There are a few things that /K/ will deny as being that harsh and will clarify (and legitimately), but that doesn't change the fact that it was said. I am held accountable for what I said in that ebin audacity recording, regardless of ability to clarify. (Example being implicating all of /pol/ in Sync's banning. It was NOT a government action, we had no idea, and this has been established multiple times.)

>He's been nothing but good to you guys and I say you let him continue.

Nah, I'm dropping out of the metagame. If people in /pol/ care what I think, they'll ask me, they always have, but I'm done trying to make Chanada as a whole better. I'll leave that to people who aren't liable to say stupid shit or fuck up.


 No.32239

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File: 1443382556899-2.jpg (53.12 KB, 499x499, 1:1, Memecity.jpg)

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 No.32320

Time for Chanada Civil War

I'd love to see those autists at /k/ get BTFO


 No.32324

>>32320

Everyone becomes a pinata


 No.32326

>>32320

That would potentially be the worst thing ever. It'd be like one of the several Chinese wars where they all fucking suck and they kill some absurd amounts of people.


 No.32365

>>32320

Have fun getting over the wall, nerd. That city is titan 2.0


 No.32366

>>32365

Dig under it?


 No.32367

>>32366

Have some one take down the bastions down there and have pvpers above ground and kompound might fall in less than an hour if everything is done greatly


 No.32368

>>32367

Ideally you don't attack Kompound though.


 No.32370

>>32365

It wouldn't be hard. Just dig down to it, walk along the bedrock, then make a staircase up. Easy. Or just break one single bastion and you're through. Also, Titan 2.0 implies competent defenders.


 No.32371

>>32368

True cuz infighting is bad :^)

But in a hypothetical situation you would want to either keep them holed up behind their >defenses and let their morale drop like in titan or draw them out and pearl them one by one, either way they would fall ez


 No.32372

>>32320

There won't be a war. Believe me. Besides, /k/ seems to try to keep to themselves. If anyone were to be attacked it would likely be /pol/.


 No.32373


 No.32405

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File: 1443615046252-1.jpg (99.93 KB, 869x971, 869:971, image.jpg)

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SQUEAK SQUEAK


 No.32532

File: 1444027547353.jpg (61.84 KB, 500x337, 500:337, Aevoal celoevatus.jpg)

Events like this make me glad that Tygrus is just my personal fort these days, at least we don't face this sort of drama.


 No.32536

File: 1444055612680.jpg (27.63 KB, 400x600, 2:3, srsly nigga.jpg)

>>32532

I've heard recruiting is a good way to get a population.


 No.32540

File: 1444067190277.jpg (6.01 KB, 240x200, 6:5, pepe.jpg)

>>32536

Top kek.

Nah, but seriously, Fallout, recruit people. Your main job is creating a community, not a government. A community that thrives can survive without a government, a government that thrives is doomed without a community. When stagnation appears, don't wait for it to actually start taking people out. Institute reforms and recruit to return the city to a dynamic state. Don't be Volkstadt where we wait to lose 50% of our active population in two weeks before you shill, shill when you notice that people are starting to drift away before they quit entirely.




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